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    Posted: 01 Oct 2017 at 5:55am
Update:
I've been playing with SpeedFan 4.52
Note: It can only read the Motherboard, Graphics and HDD sensors.  The CPU, and thus the Tdie is not listed.  This means that the only CPU temp. reference you have is the T-socket temp. which we know is slow to reach to a heating up die.

To enable 3-pin fans to work, use Manual mode under Configure>Advanced and select the Nuvotron chip.

CPU_FAN1 is shown as PWM 2 mode: Manual
CHA_FAN2 is shown as PWM 5 mode: Manual

I don't know about the others, I haven't been playing around inside, but will probably when I get a new front intake fan (currently using the old 120mm Gigabyte 3-pin fan to _cough_ air at the HDDs).

There is an option in the UEFI to control a fan with hysteresis.  I think I may have to goof with that to see how it goes.

What we really want is fans following Tdie with hysteresis as well as case fans being able to reach to to other things.  I suppose that monitoring T-socket isn't so bad if you were just controlling the case fans.  The CPU fan being controlled by the motherboard and Tdie would be fine, whilst a warming up VRM, T-socket and anything else can drive the case fans up.

The counter argument to bothering to control fan speeds is holding quite well in my case though, as I have left the Fractal controller on medium speed and nothing is really getting warm.  I guess it depends, if you have a smaller case, with less airflow temps may jump higher and require more aggressive fan speed ups when doing anything.
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SpeedFan 4.52 certainly does work on the CPU fan.

Under the Advanced tab set the control type 'Value' to "Manual" this is for 'PWM 2 mode' for the main CPU header.
Using one of the "DO NOT USE!" methods works too, but there is a sort of odd loose spinning sound, probably conflicting with the motherboard control.

I had played with some settings in BIOS last night, and this morning set them back to default.
Advanced / AMD CBS / NB10 Common Options / Fan Control.
There was an option for hysteresis, which looked useful, but it's still likely linked to T-socket on my BIOS v2.20.

I can't recall what option I have the main H/W monitor tab set to, Standard I think, with a a minimum 30% duty.


SpeedFan is great for this task as it has hysteresis too, but is monitoring Tdie from the off.

As mentioned, OpenHardwareMonitor can control the speed of not only the motherboard but also the GPU - SpeedFan doesn't see the GPU fan.  Someone has written a script to take the HWO data and feed it back to the fan control.  Might be worth looking into that.
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Well, I have another SSD or NVMe, or both to buy yet.
I have a bunch of HDDs to migrate from my old system.

I've tried Windows 7, and have that drive unwired at the moment because I'm back on Windows 10.

The side of the case is off and there is these huge 140mm fans spinning next to me and the only thing that I really hear is the quiet ticking and rattling of the HDD!

At the wall it's drawing ~42w with Google Chrome open and a few HW monitoring tools... impressive!

I'll have to get into voltages because defaults are usually safely over the top, and I reckon there is about 5 watts to save and a couple of 簞C to save there.



The PSU cables were really stiff and reluctant to move.  I just jerked the big 24-pin cable off a bit, and bent it to go through the slot next to the motherboard.  It's fine!

I think ASRock were a bit stingy on the SATA data cables, only 2 are angled, two are straight.  I'll have to buy a boat load of cables, with nice locking clips, I like those.

It's like little and large here at the moment.
I have a Raspberry Pi 3B running alongside.  That is very toasty in comparison, so much so, I am considering pitting inside the Fractal case!  They are amazing little machines for their size and price.  Tweakers heaven - and has made me want to put Linux on the Ryzen machine!
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horay ,another ryzen system up and running Clap

and all seemed to go smoothly

about cable management........haha im a sparky and wire boards as part of my job, and to be fair im quite 'anal' how pretty the must look after wiring..................
would you think it when looking at my taichi system in this antec case ...........NO WAY SIR !LOL
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OK, I have now built my system!!  Hoorah, my first build and it worked first time!

SpeedFan does nothing at the moment.  But I think it's only a matter of time as Open Hardware Monitor can read about as much as HWinfo, but, importantly can control the fan speeds of not only the CPU fan but also the GTX1070.

Unfortunately, I can't find an auto fan adjust setting, but it works, fans are controllable via Windows software at least, and it's open source.

OHW has a gadget/widget to display any of the data ya want...nice :)



Regarding whether to bother with fan control at all:
I can completely see datonyb's logic and reasoning here.  I initially thought I'd need the Fractal fan controller on high, but I've turned it to medium (no obvious difference in noise to low) and I can quite happily forget it.  This is just 1in-1out.  I am gonna grab another for the front, for positive pressure - it's dusty here, and it'll help cool drives.

The CPU fan sits at 30% because any slower and it's no quieter.
At the moment it's speed is at the mercy of the motherboard CPU temp (T-socket?) which takes a while to catch up with the Tdie or Tj.
That said, I can't see the CPU getting much about 50簞C on stock clocks.  I had it on IntelBurnTest 1 thread, core maxed at 3.9GHz and I managed to get 61.3簞C.

As for the Graphics card, there seems to be an abundance of air in this case, but the Zotac card fans start playing funny below 30%, so it's a choice of off or 30%+.  I've decided to use MSI AfterBurner instead of the wonky FireStorm software, and go with 30% to 40簞C, then ramp up to 100% at 80簞C.
Ran FurMark and temps stayed under 70簞C with a quite whooshy sound from the GFX fans mind.


So far, my experience has been positive, temps look low and easy to keep that way without an elaborate fan control setup.

That said, I think the GFx fans could do with more coo, air from the can intake fans if it got hot over a long period.  More cool air in can only help.  Exhausting the hot air would help too.

Storage is fine without much cooling, but with a heavy workload, and all 10 SATA connectors populated, it'd be nice to pump more air over them.


So I still think I would use software to control more thing, but I am plenty happy to wait for it.


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I got this machine built on Wednesday, threw Windows 10 on a HDD (CSM/non-UEFI).  Started to wrestle with Windows 10 Pro, this really is Win-doze ("classic start menu" is an absolute must!).
System seems to be working just dandy, really low temps, silly quiet.

Installing the cooler was a nuisance.  Getting those screws onto the mounting brackets took a bit of just getting on with it.  I think my kid gloves got in the way!  Fighting against the springs isn't fun.  Went on, resisted over tightening cooler screws.  How much thermal compound??? Seems like I put enough on.

Cable management...yeah, about that....

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If I recall, my current ASUS P5Ke board has 3 fan settings in BIOS.  If I set it to 1or 2 of the three options SpeedFan can't control the fans.
I can't recall what it was, and it was so long ago since I set it up, and of course, the actual setting irrelevant to this topic.

What options are available in UEFI/BIOS for these ASRock X370 boards?

I'll soon be able to actively contribute as I am only waiting for RAM and Case.  That is of course, if everything goes to plan and works.  Fingers, toes and anything else crossed :D
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I have the same problem with my X370 K4. As VUmeter, I want my fans react to temp changes automatically, based on GPU temp and VRM temp (I use a 280mm AIO so I have a fan at the upper back of my case to exhaust the VRMs heat)

Speedfan detects fans sensors, but as mentioned earlier on this thread it seems UEFI fan settings is preventing speedfan change fan speeds.

I don't have a fan controller so I need to do it in software instead in order to have a quiet system at low load, but a fresher one too when gaming or heavy tasks.

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@datonyb

I completely see your point.

I'll be using a Fractal Design R5 and a Noctua NH-U14s.
The case has a 3-way controller, but I am used to the system fans reacting, to assist the rest in getting rid of heat.  I know I will forget to click the fan controller up when doing heavy tasks, and that means things could be hotter than they need to be.  Completely safe though, but I'd rather go for the lowest temps.
Conversely, I could leave the fan controller set to high speed, but then I would lower it for noise issues with audio work, and then forget to click it back up.

I have to confess, I have no experience of just how loud, or quiet it is.  I can only find out what I want to do when I build it and use it.

My current GPU is a silent model and required a PCI exhaust fan because 126簞C was a little toasty!
I'll be using a Zotac GTX 1070 mini, which has it's own fans.  I'd still like to provide it (and the CPU) with more fresh air when it gets hotter.

There are also HDDs to think of.  Though, the fans at their lowest setting are likely more than adequate, especially since they sit right at the front, just behind the fans.

I don't think it's unreasonable to want to ramp up case fans when other components generate more heat.  It all serves to keep things even cooler, and potentially increase longevity.  The trade off is noise, but under lower loads, it's a non issue as everything ramps down anyway.


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not maybe helping exactly here guys but

i have the taichi,and im baffled to say the least at so many posts about fans and speeds
even when i had ambiant temps of 34 degrees
my system stayed cool and very quiet using just 4 120mm case fans set to LOW on the included case controllers (to be fair the reasons this build went that way was the case fans were already wired so i thought what the hell why even muck around changing wiring and using software)
the cpu fan is of course off mother baord but ive never had any reason to play with stock settings for it

result average 43 degrees cpu even when gaming 63 degrees under multi stress tests and benching
i can honestly say ive not noticed ANY  noise from the cpu fan (noctura) or from the 4 case fans
so i wonder why anyone needs to spend so long playing with cpu and case fans

the only noise i get is from the asus dual fan rx480 which seems to be famous for being far to noisey ,but that only when im gaming

im not trying to knock anyones posts or thoughts here
im just trying to say a good case and a taichi board seem to run very very cool anyway
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SpeedFan website lists the Nuvoton NCT6779D as being compatible, admittedly it might be for older Intel boards.
http://www.almico.com/sfhistory.php

Has anyone managed to get full control over their fans with this program on the TaiChi X370?

I use the custom FanControl curves in SpeedFan on my current system (Core2Duo E6750) and fans respond to whatever temp sensor goes up first, be it CPU, Core 0/1, MB, GPU, or any of the HDDs.

I do hope this is possible, because I think that the included motherboard software doesn't allow for fan control based on anything but CPU temp as far as I can work out.
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