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Originally posted by Ivan_83 Ivan_83 wrote:

What is not true?

I have Fatal1ty X370 Gaming X and ISL95712 on board - 100% true.
IR35201 -  on most top mobos with good/best VRM - true.


I dont understand...
I asked this, here:
https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/pga-am4-mainboard-vrm-liste-1155146.html
And
here they said it is not true...Sorry!
Then this picture fake....




Edited by ScomComputers - 15 Sep 2017 at 9:22pm
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When it will be fixed voltage mode and LLC in the uefi?
Never?
:)

If never, then i send back my mobo in rma,because it's so sh*t!
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Edited by ScomComputers - 15 Sep 2017 at 9:21pm
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Originally posted by ScomComputers ScomComputers wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_83 Ivan_83 wrote:

What is not true?

I have Fatal1ty X370 Gaming X and ISL95712 on board - 100% true.
IR35201 -  on most top mobos with good/best VRM - true.


I dont understand...
I asked this, here:
https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/pga-am4-mainboard-vrm-liste-1155146.html
And
here they said it is not true...Sorry!
Then this picture fake....




I do same: look at that site and check that mobo VRM based on IR35201.
Then I come home and unpack I see ISL95712.

Probably ISL95712 not so bad, in case 3x2, I never see before this VRM solution.

But I disappointed with this situation.
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PVR controller:







Original thermal pad is too small on vertical radiator, and radiator form bad - it cover only half of top mofset.
I turn radiator 180 and now it cover 100% all mofsets. (see img 2, 3 at top post)
I cant turn vertical radiator - it will outside mobo.
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Hello, no news regarding LLC tuning on this board ? I'm a bit disapointed too since it should be a default option :s (my old sandy motherboard was cheaper and I add this settings available :s)
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hi,

when is the LLC coming?

This is crap. A x370 is meant to be a top of the line chip. That why i board a x370 board.

I bought a 1700x with AOI liquird cooler and it needs to be 1.39 volts to be stable at 3.8. Its not right, we need access to LLC please.

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From what I understand, LLC is not supported by the power design of the Gaming X. I am not sure of the details but I believe the VRM controller previously used on ASRock's lower end top chipset boards (like Z97, Z170, 990FX etc) was phased out by the company that made it. If my guess is correct, this is why the Gaming K4 was discontinued, the board needed to be redesigned for the replacement component. This new component does not support LLC, at least as far as I am aware. 

From all the tests I have seen, the Gaming X achieves comparable overclocks to other similar priced boards, boards with LLC settings. Bare in mind, it is unfair to compare a $160 Gaming X to something like my $200 X370 Taichi. X370 is a chipset, not a guaranteed overclock. Cheaper boards based on the X370 chipset make sacrifices to be affordable, typically in the power design (mosfets, VRMs, VRM controllers) which are some of the more pricey individual components. In some cases you may even be better off picking up a similarly priced AB350 based board for overclocking, with a cheaper chipset but similar price the extra cost usually is due to a beefier power design.

Basically, the Gaming X is not a bad board, it delivers everything it is designed to and offers an affordable, well featured and good looking board for significantly less than most other similarly featured boards. It is however not going to deliver the same overclocking experience of more expensive boards. ASRock's Gaming X and Killer SLI boards are not high end boards, they are low cost X370 solutions that offer the full feature set of the X370 chipset. Some sacrifices are made to allow that low cost. If you want overclocking on an ASRock board you should be looking at the X370 Gaming Professional and X370 Taichi which both have very well designed power delivery. I suspect that ASRock chose to have low cost X370 boards because of the nature of AMD's market presence as a "Bang for the Buck" option. Offering lower cost boards to a market dominated by a value focused consumer base. Not everyone overclocks and the extra PCIe lanes, SATA ports and other features offered by X370 vs AB350 may appeal to users that plan on minimal overclocking or stock use. 

All that said, don't underestimate the impact that AGESA updates have had and will likely continue to have on overclocking. I am using BIOS version 3.00 on my Taichi because it gives me the best overclock with my hardware, 3.10 and newer all require me to turn down my OC by 100mhz or more to be stable or up my voltages more than I am comfortable with to maintain my OC. Ryzen may have been out for a while now but it is still in it's infancy as an architecture, it will be some time before the platform is fully mature and AGESA updates become simply for new CPU support.

Ryzen CPUs seem to be achieving 4.0 and beyond far less frequently with newer steppings too. As time goes on this often happens, demand forces binning to be less stringent and lower overclocking results follow. The difference in performance between say 3.8 and 4.0 is negligible in gaming tasks anyway and if you are looking at a CPU for serious number crunching (where the difference would be more apparent) then Ryzen isn't where you should be looking anyway. 


Important note for amateur Overclockers 


I had a similar conversation to this in another thread quite recently. Overclocking shouldn't be about achieving a set goal, it should be about getting the most you can out of your particular system without sacrificing longevity due to high thermals. Any overclock is free performance. I have all too often seen CPUs burn out in half the time they should because a user pushed their voltage too high for that 100mhz more, 100mhz that made literally 0 difference to their gaming performance in a system bottlenecked by a GPU...... Because overclocking has become a relatively easy process now it seems people have gotten caught up in who's is bigger contests and missed the point of the exercise. Enjoy your build, have fun with your OC and benchmarks to see how much performance you have gained vs stock. Every CPU/motherboard combo is different and will get different results, not everyone will "win the silicon lottery" and get crazy high clocks at low voltages. Guys, professional overclockers can burn through a dozen CPUs to break a record, this is why they are most often sponsored. Hardcore (non pro) overclockers often spend hundreds of $$ more on CPUs that have been pre tested to achieve higher than average clocks. Expecting to just go online, order a bunch of parts and get guaranteed comparable results is just unreasonable. For every high OC you see on a forum/website there are a hundred people that didn't bother posting their significantly lower result. It shouldn't make you hate your system or feel cheated, overclocking is not guaranteed and should not be treated as such. You get what you get and should enjoy the fact that you got that little bit extra for your money. Leave the who's is bigger contests to the people willing to throw money away on burning out multiple CPUs to set records or get that guaranteed X or Y ghz by spending 3x what the CPU is worth. Learn from the experience, learn from your mistakes and above all have fun with your system Thumbs Up

Happy new year to all Cool


Edited by Xaltar - 03 Jan 2018 at 6:27am
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