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Originally posted by PetrolHead PetrolHead wrote:

Handrox, the latency differences are more or less margin of error stuff. The benchmarked speeds can also vary from run to run depending on what the OS may or may not do in the background. Are these only samples from a larger set of test runs or did you just test once with each BIOS version?

They are tests done after each BIOS update, when I will check if the modifications made effective, functional and stable.

The differences are not marginal, with BIOS 4.60 the rates are locked around 47500 in the read, 47500 in the write and 43500 in the data copy. (approximate numbers) Do not go beyond that, then fell from 56,000 approximate to 47,000 approximate between BIOS 4.40 and 4.60, it's a lot ...

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Okay, so one test after each update. Every benchmark (Aida, 3DMark, Geekbench etc.) fluctuates by some amount between runs, so you should run the benchmark at least three times for each BIOS version to get some idea on how much the results differ between each run. You should also probably wait some time before running the benchmark after booting up, since there can be all sorts of stuff going on in the background even after you have access to your desktop.

Also, I didn't say the differences in speeds are marginal, but they may be explained by other things than the BIOS. The latency differences on the other hand look marginal, but you won't know for sure until you do several runs with the same exact setup. For example, back when I was experimenting with RAM timings, the L3 cache results could vary quite a bit (over 20% for transfer rates and even jumps from 12.2ns to 20ns for the latency).

I'm not on my personal computer right now, but I'll see if I can post some of my AIDA results later today, just to show more accurately what I mean. The results of course only apply to my system, but they might illustrate my point better.


Edited by PetrolHead - 08 Mar 2018 at 10:20pm
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Originally posted by PetrolHead PetrolHead wrote:

Okay, so one test after each update. Every benchmark (Aida, 3DMark, Geekbench etc.) fluctuates by some amount between runs, so you should run the benchmark at least three times for each BIOS version to get some idea on how much the results differ between each run. You should also probably wait some time before running the benchmark after booting up, since there can be all sorts of stuff going on in the background even after you have access to your desktop.

Also, I didn't say the differences in speeds are marginal, but they may be explained by other things than the BIOS. The latency differences on the other hand look marginal, but you won't know for sure until you do several runs with the same exact setup. For example, back when I was experimenting with RAM timings, the L3 cache results could vary quite a bit (over 20% for transfer rates and even jumps from 12.2ns to 20ns for the latency).

I'm not on my personal computer right now, but I'll see if I can post some of my AIDA results later today, just to show more accurately what I mean. The results of course only apply to my system, but they might illustrate my point better.

Yes, a lot of tests were done, even because I did not believe in what I saw, wondering why this variation down so sharply in the numbers of transfer rates. If you notice a worse performance for example when playing some games, the game that is most noticeable is the PUBG, does not change the framerate much, but if you notice gagging during the game even more when you need a zoom of the map when using a telescope sight . I spent about 2 days with this 4.60 BIOS testing things and if you notice a lower system performance than I have with 4.40, this 4.40 BIOS is phenomenal, my system is very good with it, I updated to 4.60 more out of curiosity and see if the new Agesa allowed me to reach the 3600MHz in a 100% stable way and to be able to use my RAM in its due XMP
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Hmm. Interesting. I'll have to test that scenario on my system, since I haven't noticed any major issues in PUBG. These are the averages of five AIDA benchmark runs I've done on my current setup:

Memory Read: 46849.6 MB/s
Memory Write: 45354.4 MB/s
Memory Copy: 40837.8 MB/s
Memory Latency: 77.48 ns

L1 Cache Read: 459.156 GB/s
L1 Cache Write: 230.184 GB/s
L1 Cache Copy: 459.12 GB/s
L1 Cache Latency: 1.1 ns

L2 Cache Read: 433.8 GB/s
L2 Cache Write: 225.972 GB/s
L2 Cache Copy: 388.276 GB/s
L2 Cache Latency: 4.7 ns

L3 Cache Read: 306.972 GB/s
L3 Cache Write: 218.552 GB/s
L3 Cache Copy: 292.34 GB/s
L3 Cache Latency: 12.2 ns

Just based on these numbers, I should be experiencing similar or worse performance issues. It may be that I'm just not paying attention to occasional stutters or that I've just never used the map while looking through a scope. I'll take your word for the change in performance and transfer rate numbers, but the whole thing just seems odd and it would be interesting to know what the root cause is.


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Originally posted by PetrolHead PetrolHead wrote:

Hmm. Interesting. I'll have to test that scenario on my system, since I haven't noticed any major issues in PUBG. These are the averages of five AIDA benchmark runs I've done on my current setup:

Memory Read: 46849.6 MB/s
Memory Write: 45354.4 MB/s
Memory Copy: 40837.8 MB/s
Memory Latency: 77.48 ns

L1 Cache Read: 459.156 GB/s
L1 Cache Write: 230.184 GB/s
L1 Cache Copy: 459.12 GB/s
L1 Cache Latency: 1.1 ns

L2 Cache Read: 433.8 GB/s
L2 Cache Write: 225.972 GB/s
L2 Cache Copy: 388.276 GB/s
L2 Cache Latency: 4.7 ns

L3 Cache Read: 306.972 GB/s
L3 Cache Write: 218.552 GB/s
L3 Cache Copy: 292.34 GB/s
L3 Cache Latency: 12.2 ns

Just based on these numbers, I should be experiencing similar or worse performance issues. It may be that I'm just not paying attention to occasional stutters or that I've just never used the map while looking through a scope. I'll take your word for the change in performance and transfer rate numbers, but the whole thing just seems odd and it would be interesting to know what the root cause is.


As you can follow the link I left in an earlier post, everyone who tested accused the same problem I reported, a dizzying drop in RAM transfer rates. One thing, they accentuate more when overclocking the CPU ...

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i'm not impressed by this bios, ram stability seems even worse than before. with this update 3200mhz is pretty unstable on my gflaresX.

plus side bios boots with 3444ish mhz but instant crashes in win

i'm not content until i have my 3200mhz rated rams at their designed speed
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NEW AM4 BIOSes as of March 8 2018 for WiFi Issues

http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7986&PID=47140

Nothing here. Move on!

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Originally posted by MikeBE MikeBE wrote:

I successfully flashed my AB350-ITX to P4.60 from 4.43 (beta).

This has a Ryzen 5 2400G. I found that the CPU is running measurably better with this BIOS, particularly in gaming, which is how this box is being used.



where did you find 4.60 for this mobo?
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Where is this BIOS 4.60????
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@Handrox, reading on the forum link you've given to us. It seems your the only one who is complaining the latest BIOS. 

They response your post but they didn't complain it to their system.
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