https://forum.asrock.com/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Fri, 01 May 2026 23:24:46 +0000 Sat, 14 Oct 2017 02:34:43 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.04 360 https://forum.asrock.com/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=6165 https://forum.asrock.com/forum_images/web_wiz_forums_black.png https://forum.asrock.com/ https://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6165&PID=37948&title=what-happened-to-fatality-x399-bios-1-60#37948 Author: MisterJ
Subject: 6165
Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 2:34am

Thanks, datonyb, will consider.  Looks like I need to wait for either.  Enjoy, John.
]]> Sat, 14 Oct 2017 02:34:43 +0000 https://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6165&PID=37948&title=what-happened-to-fatality-x399-bios-1-60#37948 https://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6165&PID=37943&title=what-happened-to-fatality-x399-bios-1-60#37943 Author: datonyb
Subject: 6165
Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 12:30am

john recent testing has shown (at least on ryzen)
for 3200 cl14 to be performing better than 3600 cl16

esp. at those secondary timings shown 14/14/14/34 vs 16/18/18/38

just a heads up not to waste too much money on the 3600 kits when they come out (im sure the wholesellers and retails will put quite a mark up on those kits
]]> Sat, 14 Oct 2017 00:30:27 +0000 https://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6165&PID=37943&title=what-happened-to-fatality-x399-bios-1-60#37943 https://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6165&PID=37939&title=what-happened-to-fatality-x399-bios-1-60#37939 Author: MisterJ
Subject: 6165
Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 11:38pm

JUANNY, here is what I am waiting for (4x8 GB):

http://www.gskill.com/en/press/view/g-skill-announces-new-ddr4-specifications-for-amd-ryzen%E2%84%A2-threadripper%E2%84%A2-processors

I do not expect to see these kits at retailers until AMD/board vendors release AGESA/BIOS capability of successfully running them.  This raises the question of how did the memory vendor test these kits before announcement.  I, obviously, do not know but I suspect they had/have access to Beta AGESA/BIOS under a NDA. 
Enjoy, John.


EDIT: From the latest response to my AMD ticket:

Regarding AGESA versions, there is not a shared code base between the AM4 platform and the SocketTR4 platform, i.e. Threadripper AGESA is not the same as Ryzen AGESA.

See here:

http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6271&PN=2&title=amd-response-to-agesa-bios-query


Edited by MisterJ - 14 Oct 2017 at 12:02am]]> Fri, 13 Oct 2017 23:38:43 +0000 https://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6165&PID=37939&title=what-happened-to-fatality-x399-bios-1-60#37939 https://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6165&PID=37925&title=what-happened-to-fatality-x399-bios-1-60#37925 Author: datonyb
Subject: 6165
Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:12pm

ive still only read of one tr sucess with 128gb

that was a gigabyte with dominator 2666 ram

as the general view here and a friendly warning

the ram alone at well over 1000 bucks is a very very expensive gamble

amd and the board makers need to pull there socks up and get very specific about what ram to go buy to use the 128gb max
( just for a business sense the first one that states here buy my board and use this ram kit will make a killing finacially )

instead at the moment they expect you to lay out around 2500-3000 bucks for a dream build and then get some 16yr old pimple faced kid to reply to tech support emails with some random sales bable
]]> Fri, 13 Oct 2017 18:12:19 +0000 https://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6165&PID=37925&title=what-happened-to-fatality-x399-bios-1-60#37925 https://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6165&PID=37904&title=what-happened-to-fatality-x399-bios-1-60#37904 Author: parsec
Subject: 6165
Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 11:12am

JUANNY wrote: MisterJ wrote: JUANNY, we would love to see this.  I have an open ticket trying hard to determine if this is true.  We should hope it is not due to the really poor TR performance in the memory area.  Please see here: http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6271&KW=agesa&PID=37551&title=amd-response-to-agesa-bios-query#37551 Enjoy, John. Ill try to backtrack the link for you but Im pretty sure it was accurate based on a reliable source. They used TR 1.0.0.3 which gets confused with the older regular and outdated Ryzen 1.0.0.3 It would have been idiotic if AMD had used an outdated memory compatibilty AGESA on their flagship Threadripper CPU. I ran into that info while researching memory compatibility cause Ill be spending big bucks on a 1950x + x399 Fatality Mobo + 128 gb 8 x 16gb (https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-CMK128GX4M8Z2933C16-Vengeance-PC4-23400-Threadripper/dp/B074PGSLX6 ) The ram alone is worth a ton.

Please be very careful about your memory choice for a Threadripper PC. Gven what we have seen so far with using 128GB of memory in X399 boards, don't expect it to be plug and play at the XMP over clocked speed. I'm not implying that this memory won't work, I truly do not know either way, just a general warning with this large of an investment.

I see that Corsair kit on Amazon and Newegg, among other retailers, but oddly a Corsair information page for that model number is not among the search results. It's on "sale" at Newegg as of 10/12/17 for $1375.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820236242

Even if Threadripper and Ryzen have equivalent AGESA memory compatibility, after all that I've seen and been through dealing with Ryzen and memory compatibility in this forum, and my own X370/1700X PC, I personally would not feel safe or confident about a memory OC with 128GB.

My point is if you expect to just select the XMP profile in the UEFI/BIOS, and the 128GB of memory will POST perfectly the first time, then you may be disappointed. Manual adjustment of the SOC voltages will be necessary, as that is not done via the XMP profile, at least it never has been so far with Ryzen.

Your X399 board will most likely not have the latest UEFI version from the factory. If you want to use the latest version, you can just use the BIOS Flashback feature which can be done without a CPU in the board. But be sure to study the procedure first, it is simple but has specific steps.

]]> Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:12:19 +0000 https://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6165&PID=37904&title=what-happened-to-fatality-x399-bios-1-60#37904 https://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6165&PID=37902&title=what-happened-to-fatality-x399-bios-1-60#37902 Author: JUANNY
Subject: 6165
Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 10:50am

MisterJ wrote: Thanks, JUANNY.  You should read the several threads here about trying to get 128 GB working in TR.  One and maybe two users went to the dark side (Intel) after repeated failures.  Sure hope you can find your reference.  Thanks and enjoy, John.

Yeah I read that thread with the problems when all dimm slots were populated with 8 x16 gb. The biggest diff was that the kit he used and heck almost all the kits out there were manufactured BEFORE Threadripper came out so imcompatibility was to be expected. The corsair 128 gb im considering has supposedly been tested and is compatible with threadripper. http://forum.corsair.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170272 that link shows the corsair kits compatible with Threadripper. Once I go all in and do my build Ill post and update the compatibilty of the 128 GB kit. It is rated for 2933 when all dimms are populated but im hoping it overclocks higher because AMDs infinity fabric runs at one half the memory hence higher memory cranks up the perfrormance alot especially in IPC boost.


Edited by JUANNY - 13 Oct 2017 at 11:00am]]> Fri, 13 Oct 2017 10:50:34 +0000 https://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6165&PID=37902&title=what-happened-to-fatality-x399-bios-1-60#37902 https://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6165&PID=37898&title=what-happened-to-fatality-x399-bios-1-60#37898 Author: MisterJ
Subject: 6165
Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 10:15am

Thanks, JUANNY.  You should read the several threads here about trying to get 128 GB working in TR.  One and maybe two users went to the dark side (Intel) after repeated failures.  Sure hope you can find your reference.  Thanks and enjoy, John.
]]> Fri, 13 Oct 2017 10:15:38 +0000 https://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6165&PID=37898&title=what-happened-to-fatality-x399-bios-1-60#37898 https://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6165&PID=37895&title=what-happened-to-fatality-x399-bios-1-60#37895 Author: JUANNY
Subject: 6165
Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 8:54am

MisterJ wrote: JUANNY, we would love to see this.  I have an open ticket trying hard to determine if this is true.  We should hope it is not due to the really poor TR performance in the memory area.  Please see here: http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6271&KW=agesa&PID=37551&title=amd-response-to-agesa-bios-query#37551 Enjoy, John.

Ill try to backtrack the link for you but Im pretty sure it was accurate based on a reliable source. They used TR 1.0.0.3 which gets confused with the older regular and outdated Ryzen 1.0.0.3 It would have been idiotic if AMD had used an outdated memory compatibilty AGESA on their flagship Threadripper CPU. I ran into that info while researching memory compatibility cause Ill be spending big bucks on a 1950x + x399 Fatality Mobo + 128 gb 8 x 16gb (https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-CMK128GX4M8Z2933C16-Vengeance-PC4-23400-Threadripper/dp/B074PGSLX6 ) The ram alone is worth a ton.
]]> Fri, 13 Oct 2017 08:54:57 +0000 https://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6165&PID=37895&title=what-happened-to-fatality-x399-bios-1-60#37895 https://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6165&PID=37892&title=what-happened-to-fatality-x399-bios-1-60#37892 Author: MisterJ
Subject: 6165
Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 8:14am

JUANNY, we would love to see this.  I have an open ticket trying hard to determine if this is true.  We should hope it is not due to the really poor TR performance in the memory area.  Please see here:

http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6271&KW=agesa&PID=37551&title=amd-response-to-agesa-bios-query#37551

Enjoy, John.
]]> Fri, 13 Oct 2017 08:14:55 +0000 https://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6165&PID=37892&title=what-happened-to-fatality-x399-bios-1-60#37892 https://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6165&PID=37891&title=what-happened-to-fatality-x399-bios-1-60#37891 Author: JUANNY
Subject: 6165
Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 8:02am

MisterJ wrote: SoniC, 1.70 has AGESA 1.0.0.3, so I assume your assumption is correct.  Enjoy, John.

Im not totally sure but I remember reading something posted by the AMD senior technical guy saying that the TR AGESA 1.0.0.3 had all the mem compatibilty as the regular Ryzen AGESA 1.0.0.6
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