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   <title><![CDATA[The hardest stutter to troubleshoot : Update: 580 didn&amp;#039;t solve...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://forum.asrock.com/member_profile.asp?PF=10671">mpw90</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 9549<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 01 Nov 2018 at 5:46am<br /><br />Update: 580 didn't solve the issue, and had terrible coil whine.<div><br></div><div>Tried using Gen 2.0 PCI slot and didn't solve it either (for both cards).</div>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[The hardest stutter to troubleshoot :   mpw90 wrote:  xhue wrote:My...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://forum.asrock.com/member_profile.asp?PF=10593">xhue</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 9549<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 27 Sep 2018 at 3:31am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by mpw90" alt="Originally posted by mpw90" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>mpw90 wrote:</strong><br /><br /><a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"></a><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by xhue" alt="Originally posted by xhue" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>xhue wrote:</strong><br /><br /><div>My say is dump that GPU. Get a 580 and call it a day. 580 are dirt cheap now with all the crypto hype dead.</div><div><br></div><div>My 1700X is driving my 580 Nitro+ just fine. More so, my Ryzen is also from the 'bad' Malaysian batch, but I have 0 issues with it, even under Linux (I crunch &amp; compile stuff).<br></div><div><br></div><div>Plus, as one of the chaps above said, some nvidias are having bad times running on Ryzens. <br></div></td></tr></table><div><br>Weird that you didn't get the compiler error. I had a Malaysian post-week 25 chip and it didn't compile. This one is from China, so I just assume that it works.</div><div></td></tr></table> <br></div><div><br></div><div>Well, I did get these errors initially, but as soon as I started RMA process, the mofos @ AMD dropped a fix in the new AGESA and the issues stopped. I had no ground for RMA afterwards. I just needed a few more days before this new AGESA... <img src="https://forum.asrock.com/smileys/smiley7.gif" border="0" alt="Angry" title="Angry" /></div><div><br></div><div>On your issue, I strongly advise you to try with another GPU, an AMD one preferably. <br></div>]]>
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   <title><![CDATA[The hardest stutter to troubleshoot :   xhue wrote:My say is dump that...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://forum.asrock.com/member_profile.asp?PF=10671">mpw90</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 9549<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Sep 2018 at 7:40am<br /><br /><a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"></a><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by xhue" alt="Originally posted by xhue" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>xhue wrote:</strong><br /><br /><div>My say is dump that GPU. Get a 580 and call it a day. 580 are dirt cheap now with all the crypto hype dead.</div><div><br></div><div>My 1700X is driving my 580 Nitro+ just fine. More so, my Ryzen is also from the 'bad' Malaysian batch, but I have 0 issues with it, even under Linux (I crunch &amp; compile stuff).<br></div><div><br></div><div>Plus, as one of the chaps above said, some nvidias are having bad times running on Ryzens. <br></div></td></tr></table><div><br>Weird that you didn't get the compiler error. I had a Malaysian post-week 25 chip and it didn't compile. This one is from China, so I just assume that it works.</div><div><br></div><div>I have considered it. I need to get another similar quality card to fully test.</div><span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by mpw90 - 26 Sep 2018 at 4:11pm</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://forum.asrock.com/member_profile.asp?PF=10593">xhue</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 9549<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Sep 2018 at 6:09am<br /><br /><div>My say is dump that GPU. Get a 580 and call it a day. 580 are dirt cheap now with all the crypto hype dead.</div><div><br></div><div>My 1700X is driving my 580 Nitro+ just fine. More so, my Ryzen is also from the 'bad' Malaysian batch, but I have 0 issues with it, even under Linux (I crunch &amp; compile stuff).<br></div><div><br></div><div>Plus, as one of the chaps above said, some nvidias are having bad times running on Ryzens. <br></div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://forum.asrock.com/member_profile.asp?PF=10671">mpw90</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 9549<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 26 Sep 2018 at 3:36am<br /><br />One thing I have noticed: when I limit my FPS to 60, there is no stutter in the two tests I performed.<span style="font-size:10px"><br /><br />Edited by mpw90 - 26 Sep 2018 at 3:37am</span>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://forum.asrock.com/member_profile.asp?PF=10671">mpw90</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 9549<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Sep 2018 at 6:17pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by ssateneth" alt="Originally posted by ssateneth" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>ssateneth wrote:</strong><br /><br /><a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"></a>I have no idea if this is the same stuttering you get.<div><br></div><div>Specs in sig. ASUS MG279Q 1440p 144hz freesync IPS monitor. I have 3 of them.</div><div><br></div><div>Back on win10 1709, when starting up the system, I would get 3 distinct "stutters" that each lasted about a second each when loading into the desktop (the mouse cursor would freeze, then play catchup 3 times). It also stuttered once when opening certain apps, such as a picture viewer for a jpg file, or opening a video with media player classic.</div><div><br></div><div>I found that less attached monitors caused less on bootup stutters. Windows 7 did not eliminate the stutters but they were a little shorter in length. Windows 10 1803 moved the stutters to between OS load screen and desktop login screen (usually hanging on a black screen or spinning pinwheel from OS load for a little time).</div><div><br></div><div>I tried a different NVIDIA video card (I think it was a 1060 6GB instead of the 1080 ti I have installed) and the stutters were the same.</div><div><br></div><div>The other paths I have yet to confirm is A: Try an AMD video card and B: Try different monitors. I can't do A as I sold my last AMD card but I may be able to squire another one soon. B is possible to try, but it's a pain to set up physically. Let me know if you have any feedback on my similar (?) situation.</div></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Good morning. I'm not sure if all of this is related to the problem I am encountering, I can confirm that I experience a similar phenomenon as you.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I've already tried B. The stutter happens in games, but I don't know if the login issue is resolved in this setup. Here's what I have noticed, though. Try booting your machine, with monitors on, and do not login for something like 3-4 minutes.</div><div><br></div><div>Then when you go to login, I think you'll notice there is no hang or stutter. Which makes me think that it's NT Authority/System user logons that are causing the boot problem. Hope that helps.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2018 18:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title><![CDATA[The hardest stutter to troubleshoot : I have no idea if this is the...]]></title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://forum.asrock.com/member_profile.asp?PF=7082">ssateneth</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 9549<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Sep 2018 at 2:25pm<br /><br /><a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"></a>I have no idea if this is the same stuttering you get.<div><br></div><div>Specs in sig. ASUS MG279Q 1440p 144hz freesync IPS monitor. I have 3 of them.</div><div><br></div><div>Back on win10 1709, when starting up the system, I would get 3 distinct "stutters" that each lasted about a second each when loading into the desktop (the mouse cursor would freeze, then play catchup 3 times). It also stuttered once when opening certain apps, such as a picture viewer for a jpg file, or opening a video with media player classic.</div><div><br></div><div>I found that less attached monitors caused less on bootup stutters. Windows 7 did not eliminate the stutters but they were a little shorter in length. Windows 10 1803 moved the stutters to between OS load screen and desktop login screen (usually hanging on a black screen or spinning pinwheel from OS load for a little time).</div><div><br></div><div>I tried a different NVIDIA video card (I think it was a 1060 6GB instead of the 1080 ti I have installed) and the stutters were the same.</div><div><br></div><div>The other paths I have yet to confirm is A: Try an AMD video card and B: Try different monitors. I can't do A as I sold my last AMD card but I may be able to squire another one soon. B is possible to try, but it's a pain to set up physically. Let me know if you have any feedback on my similar (?) situation.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://forum.asrock.com/member_profile.asp?PF=10671">mpw90</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 9549<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Sep 2018 at 7:55am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by LurkerLito" alt="Originally posted by LurkerLito" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>LurkerLito wrote:</strong><br /><br /><a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"></a>A weird stuttering in games? I had a similar issue and after a lot of searching I solved it by disabling the HPET (High Precision Event Timer). There are 2 ways to go about this:<br><ul><li>Disable it in the bios (on the x399 Fatality I think it was under ACPI)</li><li>Disable it in windows with BCDEdit. Open a Admin command prompt and type:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; bcdedit /deletevalue useplatformclock<br>then reboot the computer.</li></ul><p>This is a supposedly known issue when using a AMD motherboard with an Nvidia graphics card.</p><p><br></p></td></tr></table><div><br></div><div>Sadly, I had already tried this. But appreciate the reply.</div>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://forum.asrock.com/member_profile.asp?PF=6891">LurkerLito</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 9549<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Sep 2018 at 7:28am<br /><br /><a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"></a>A weird stuttering in games? I had a similar issue and after a lot of searching I solved it by disabling the HPET (High Precision Event Timer). There are 2 ways to go about this:<br><ul><li>Disable it in the bios (on the x399 Fatality I think it was under ACPI)</li><li>Disable it in windows with BCDEdit. Open a Admin command prompt and type:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; bcdedit /deletevalue useplatformclock<br>then reboot the computer.</li></ul><p>This is a supposedly known issue when using a AMD motherboard with an Nvidia graphics card.</p><p><br></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="https://forum.asrock.com/member_profile.asp?PF=10671">mpw90</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 9549<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> 25 Sep 2018 at 6:51am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by xhue" alt="Originally posted by xhue" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>xhue wrote:</strong><br /><br /><a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"></a><div>Odd. I really don't like that GPU. Can others&nbsp; with nvidia check their numbers?</div><div></td></tr></table></div><div><br></div><div>The current GPU is EVGA Superclocked Nvidia GeForce 1060 GTX 6GB. I will explain...</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by xhue" alt="Originally posted by xhue" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>xhue wrote:</strong><br /><br /></div><div>To me it boils down to HW and/or FW, since you're having the stutter under both Win &amp; Lin.<br></div><div></td></tr></table></div><div><br></div><div>Precisely.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by xhue" alt="Originally posted by xhue" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>xhue wrote:</strong><br /><br /></div><div>Also, could you hook up 2 monitors. Let latencymon run on one of them and try playing on the second. Check what spikes when the stuttering appears.</div></div><div></td></tr></table></div><div><br></div><div>This is what I was doing already. The spikes just appear as I'm playing. No firing, etc. Just running around.</div><div><br></div><div><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by xhue" alt="Originally posted by xhue" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>xhue wrote:</strong><br /><br /></div><div>Can you please write down the detailed chronolgy of HW swaps you made? Something is fishy here. If I read it all correctly you didn't swap the GPU at all?</div><div><div></td></tr></table></div></div><div><br></div><div>I can. Let's go... (I've done this many times, but I think I need to clarify again for pure detail).</div><div><br></div><div></div><div><br></div><div>In January 2018, I purchased every single part and assembled this myself.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>The parts list included (swaps included in list):</div><div><br></div><div><div><b>CPU: </b>AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor (Replaced one time with vendor as per request of ASRock, and then once more last week with AMD - total of 2 CPU replacements, same chip)</div><div><br></div><div><b>Motherboard: </b>ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (Replaced 1 time with eBuyer due to hard freezing, and 3 times with ASRock due to hard freezing) -&gt; I purchased a Gigabyte AB350M-DS3H, too. I tried on this motherboard, yet the problems still existed. The current ASRock board seems stable. No freezing. BIOS is 4.90. Yet to try the 5.0.</div><div><br></div><div>Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB DDR4-2400 Memory (2 x 8GB) (16GB) -&gt; Changed to G Skill 3200mhz CL14 DDR4, running at 3200mhz.</div><div><br></div><div>Storage: Crucial - MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive&nbsp; -&gt; Changed to MX500 500GB SSD.</div><div><br></div><div>Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive -&gt; Only used for external storage and diagnosing. Installed with and without. Tried Windows on it, too. Tried Linux. Tried it unplugged.</div><div><br></div><div>Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB SC GAMING Video Card -&gt; Used to be a 3GB but had thermal problems. Now 6GB, thanks to the lovely EVGA chaps.</div><div><br></div><div>Case: Thermaltake - Core V21 MicroATX Mini Tower Case - Never changed.</div><div><br></div><div>Power Supply: Corsair - TXM Gold 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply - Never changed. PSU meter shows it's in good working order. Never any power failure.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte - GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter - Currently removed. Been removed for months.</div><div><br></div><div>Monitors: Acer - XF240H 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor&nbsp; x 2 - Used to be BenQ old 75hz LED. Also tried TV with HDMI. Changed all cables many times.</div></div><div><br></div><div>I also use a USB soundcard, which I have tried to test with and without, sadly without any notable changes. Focusrite Scarlett 6i6.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>My mouse is a Microsoft Intellimouse 1.1.</div><div><br></div><div>Each time I have changed a component, I have attempted to be methodical about how I go about testing. I have disabled a lot of Microsoft services since my latest install. I am still sadly experiencing the stutter. Though, I feel I am in a better position to diagnose the issue as so much software has been removed from the equation.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>OH! It might be worth mentioning that I have tried with and without GPU monitoring software installed. I have also removed BIOS overclocks to my CPU and run at stock. I have also tried to disable SMT (Simultaneous Multithreading). My temperatures are good (30-50 at load), and never seem to exceed 78C when stress testing with Prime95 under the heat stress.</div><div><br></div><div>I have tried various chipset updates, network, audio, and ATA/ATAPI drivers. I have obviously disabled a looot of stuff.</div><div><br></div><div>But, obviously, if it exists under Linux, it would point to hardware.</div><div><br></div><div>I hope this helps. Any further questions, please ask.</div>]]>
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