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wardog 
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 Posted: 06 Jan 2016 at 4:54am |
You've gone the wrong way again in believing that point. Since ASRock does not have every available stick of memory ever produced they in no way can be expected to list much for compatibility other than what they have in-house at the time the motherboard was initially released. And then only list the sticks they have on hand at that particular time, that work. That does not include the BIOS updates ASRock releases at later dates that are strictly for memory compatibility purposes. I believe here in your instance unfortunately, for whatever reason, ASRock didn't include compatibility for the sticks you have now into a BIOS release. Too, keep in mind the sticks you are using are "recycled' from an older build. That means the sticks were produced some time well before your 970 performance came to market. I haven't a clue how much of this particular memory was sold yet I venture not too many as otherwise ASRock would have been aware of it and had the "specs' rolled into the initial first BIOS release. |
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Posted: 06 Jan 2016 at 4:36am |
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Posted: 06 Jan 2016 at 2:41am |
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Hi Xaltar,
If it's that then I should be saved, Kingston specifically pointed the Asrock Fatal1ty 970 performance as being compatible. However, I have few hopes about that... But who knows! ??
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Posted: 06 Jan 2016 at 12:40am |
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The compatibility list is determined by the memory ASRock tested with the board and in many cases where there is a new revision of an older board, like the Fatal1ty 970 Performance/3.1 the list is simply inherited from the base model. As Parsec said, a large part of RAM compatibility stems from the CPU as that is where the memory controller resides and in the case of AMD CPUs it stands to reason that many of the RAM modules originally supported are obsolete due to to the age of the AM3+ platform. The manufacturer does not define what RAM is supported, these parameters are set by the chipset and CPU manufacturer, in this case AMD. When working with a now almost obsolete platform it stands to reason compatibility will be spotty. Now the manufacturer can and does shoe horn compatibility via BIOS updates to increase the number of RAM specifications supported either by using tricks or simply allowing the RAM to be recognized and utilized correctly if it adheres to a supported specification. Beyond a certain point however it falls to the RAM manufacturer to ensure their products retain compatibility with older boards. This is the case now with all AMD platforms regardless of when a particular model was released.
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Posted: 06 Jan 2016 at 12:17am |
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Hi Parsec,
Your point makes completely sense, but what does make no sense to me is that AsRock for example releases a Motherboard that is only compatible with obsolete RAM. That really makes no sense at all to me... I mean, it makes as much sense as building a new car that only allows for obsolete clutch you can't find in the market...
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Posted: 05 Jan 2016 at 11:55pm |
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If the memory in the compatibility list is, as you said:
"The 970 Fatal1ty 3.0 is a recent MotherBoard, less than 2 years old... And compatible RAM are all more than 5-6 years old... WTH??"
Wouldn't that be the case because the AM3+ processors that are compatible with boards like yours are also of the same approximate vintage too? Or even older. Yes the 970 Performance/3.1 board is a newer board, but the chipset it uses is not less than two years old, it is contemporary with the AM3+ processors that are compatible with it. The 970 chipset was released in 2011. Still, I understand your frustration with the limited selection of the memory compatibility list. But understand that the memory must also be compatible with Phenom II, Athlon II, and Sempron processors, as the board is too. That may well limit the choices when overall compatibility is required. |
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Posted: 05 Jan 2016 at 11:46pm |
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Hi Xaltar,
This is exactly the reason why I think there is a problem on the Motherboard... Why: - had issues when installing the Ethernet Drivers - had issues when installing / updating the Graphic Card Drivers - had tcpip.sys related BSOD. It cannot be the cable, the Ethernet adapter on the Computer or the router. Why? - Most of the time my computer is on WiFi - Cable is present only when I need to update the Asus WiFi Card drivers At this point we could think in fact the problem comes from the cable between the Wall and the Router. It would make sense since I have BSOD while cabled and equally while on Wifi. But the issue cannot come from the router. Why? - Because I experienced same BSODs, while on cable or on WiFi, while I was at a Friends place, troubleshooting my computer. That's why I believe it is a Motherboard issue or something related to it: --> CPU malfunctioning? --> RAM incompatibility? --> or maybe even PSU even though I don't see why while I was on Intel chipset I had no issues. It would really be unluck that issues appear on the PSU exactly when I switch chipset! To recall, it is a 750W and I'm not overclocking anything so it should be way enough for my computer. Furthermore, BSOD appeared equally when computer was idle. However, PSU instability could make sense. Maybe there were problems on the PSU that burned my previous MoBo and CPU (5years old) and is now creating instability on my current Motherboard. Possible?
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Xaltar
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Posted: 05 Jan 2016 at 11:28pm |
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tcpip.sys is a network related file and you had issues with installing the network driver when you performed a fresh install. Bad network drivers can cause BSODs along the lines you mentioned and so can an intermittent cable fault. If there is an intermittent short in your LAN cable it can cause data corruption over the LAN and that can cause issues in the OS when certain things are happening, like streaming a youtube video for example.
Try replacing the LAN cables on your system, both to your router and from your ISP if possible. It may not be the root of your problem but given the evidence it is a good place to start.
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Posted: 05 Jan 2016 at 10:32pm |
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Hi Wardog, Thank you for
your proposal. Here is my complete rig: CPU:
FX8350 - 3 months old CPU cooler:
vertical Cooler Master Hyper TX3 Evo - 3 months old MoBo:
AsRock 970 Fatal1ty Performance 3.0 - 3 months old RAM:
Corsair CMX8GX3M2A1600C9 - 2x4Gb 1600 Ram C9 - set @ 1333mhz in BIOS - 2.5/3 years
old PSU:
750W Corsair (I think it is the CX Bronze) - pretty old: 5 years old Graphic Card:
Sapphire Nitro R9 380 4GB GDDR5 OC - 2 months old Primary Hard
drive: Samsung
SSD 850EVO 256GB - 3 months old. Secondary Hard
drive: 5y old HDD that has no system files, only
pictures, documents and so on. Wifi Card:
Asus PCE AC56: 2 months old Case:
5years old Antec Twelve hundred (3 front 12cm fans, 2 rear 12cm fans, 1 top
bigger fan) Softwares: Windows 7, 64
Home Office 2016 Microsoft Antivirus since Bitdefender 2016 was causing me severe problems (it was even blocking I.E.11) Driver booster 3 I did run every
kind of test I know, none of them provided any issue: Memtest86 Sfc scannow Chkdsk Furmark for GPU temperature
checked through Sapphire TriXX: with custom Fan setting it never goes above
60C. CPU and MB
Temperature, I check it through F-Stream after gaming or tests: always cool, always
saw it lower than 50C I would like to
run as soon as possible Video Memory Test but I don't believe it will provide
any issue. All my stuff is
updated, all the latest drivers, BIOS, firmwares, updates. My issues, to
make it short: 3 months ago I had to change motherboard so I decided to
undertake a major upgrade. After having plugged everything, I installed with no
issues at all Windows 7 and installed on the top of it Windows 10. I started then
suffering a lot of BSOD. Youtube seemed
to be a major cause. However, BSOD / general freezes could happen anytime.
While copy pasting files, while gaming, even while doing nothing at all!!!
Sometimes BSOD occur very quickly, sometimes not. Updating AMD Gaming Evolve
was causing for sure BSOD and was causing important issues. This makes thinking
about Graphic Card issues, but it's not. It happened even when I switched with
my old ATI 5870 (always using Display Driver Uninstaller) that always functioned perfectly on Intel Chipset. BSOD messages
were mostly: KMODE EXCEPTION NOT HANDLED, SYSYTEM SERVICE EXCEPTION, IRQL NOT
LESS OR EQUAL. Faulty files
drivers were mainly: win32kfull.sys; tcpip.sys; and ntoskernel.exe was always
pointed out from the minidump. Important to
know that BSOD occurred even though I changed slots for the RAM; switching
between Graphic Cards (my old ASUS 5870HD); switching between Ethernet and Wifi
Card. I thought
Windows 10 could be the issue so I formatted everything to revert to Windows 7.
I did that the day before yesterday. I had to install
it twice (from scratch) because the first time I had .NET Framework and MOM.EXE
issues and Windows Updates didn't install at all. I suffered BSOD while
updating the Graphic Card Drivers. Fed up, I decided to reinstall Windows. The second time
I installed Windows 7 I had an issue once: after having installed Windows,
before doing anything else I had a BSOD while installing the AsRock Drivers
from the CD, during the Ethernet Driver installation. Since then, it looks a
bit better. Could update with no issue the last Graphic Card Drivers, the BIOS
update went smooth, Driver Booster installed with no problems all the remaining
drivers. Windows update installed almost everything by now with no issue. However I don't
have much hope since I had no issues installing Windows 7 the very first time
and since I already, during this session, suffered a BSOD (when installing the
Motherboard Drivers). Here is for the full topic J Edited by dinin70 - 05 Jan 2016 at 10:36pm |
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Posted: 05 Jan 2016 at 9:42pm |
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Dinin70, list out the parts inside your case, including the PSU and its age if you would please.
I feel your frustration. Been there, done that. Many times. Have you rum MemTest on/against your memory? That would be a good place to start if you haven't yet. And BTW, just what specific memory do you have installed at the moment. NM, I'll learn that when you list out the components you're using. I'm thinking it's a memory compatability issue, so if you care to, we can do some diagnosing before you tear into her and send a good motherboard back, just to get it back and have the same issue with your current components. |
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