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soleil14 
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Posted: 06 Apr 2017 at 10:58am |
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That's the Ryzen "temperature offset" of 20° C AMD has programmed in for use with their stock CPU coolers. That really seems to be for future use with the four core processors, that have a lower TDP than the eight core models. I'm not 100% sure what temperature is shown in the UEFI, HW Monitor screen, but my best guess is Tctl. I see the same thing in HWiNFO64, and I love the way it is programmed to show both! The ASRock utility for X370 Ryzen boards (A-Tuning, etc) will show the Tctl temperature you see in HWiNFO64, it matches it perfectly. |
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Posted: 06 Apr 2017 at 10:31am |
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I think I'm good then:
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murakume
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Keep in mind that AMD has always had a goofy way of reporting temperatures. On my board (x370 Gaming Pro) there are two main temps I look at under HWINFO version 5.47-3125: Tctl and Tidle. The Tctl value is the reading that AMD outlined as reading 20 degrees Celsius higher than the actual temp on 1700x and 1800x for some goofy fan profile difference they implemented on those CPUs. So take that and subtract 20, you'll be close to what it really is.
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twf85
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Not to bump an old thread, but I replaced the slower fan with the stock Corsair, and it actually seemed to help a little bit. I also installed the latest version of HWMonitor to see if I could get a better look at the temps. The temps under the MOBO for the CPU were much lower than that reported under the CPU, so I boosted the proc to 4GHz, and it seems to be running fine..
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The only other thing I can think of is perhaps I didn't apply enough thermal paste. I use a card, like a debit card (in my case an old AAA card), and spread a thin layer across the top of the CPU. Awhile back, I would also spread a layer on the heatsink, but after seeing how much paste would end up on the sides of the CPU, I stopped doing that. I'm wondering now if I should re-apply, and perhaps crank it down a little less.
Which board were you aiming for? I just kept hitting refresh at 10-15 minute intervals (on 3/1) until it became available for pre-order again. So someone must have backed out, or they got more in-stock. While I was waiting for it to arrive, I realized the Taichi board had everything I really wanted (namely two M.2 slots that were at least 20Gbps). Kind of cursed myself for being so impulsive. But the Creative software seems to have improved my audio experience, and the 5Gpbs LAN port may come in handy at some point.
No matter what I'm doing, it seems like it never waivers much from 3.7Ghz (it'll dip about 50Mhz in CPU-Z, but that's about it).
  If by "Vcore" you mean the Core Voltage, in CPU-Z it is showing as 1.216V. I wasn't sure, so I included pics. I am running in Performance Mode for my Power Plan.
Alright, I'll definitely try that. I didn't think there would be much difference between them, so I figured I would save the one that came with the cooler for when another fan died.
It is there! I'm not sure if it came with the original BIOS, but it is there in 1.50. Took awhile for it to Tune, and because my temps were so much higher than Xaltar's, I didn't go that route. Just set everything to the max. Noise isn't much of an issue right now, as I have an AC unit running in this room that drowns out pretty much everything else.
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I was not sure about the H60 AMD mounting, and I've seen Corsair offering AM4 kits for some of their other H Series coolers, so I was concerned it might be an issue. Plus I've never mounted an H60 on an AMD board.
Your idle temps seem high to me as well, but I'm still waiting to get a Ryzen system, I can't get the board I want. So I can't offer advise from experience. The manual for your board shows both Cool n Quiet and C6 Mode enabled by default, in the Advanced, CPU Configuration screen. That normally reduces the CPU temperature at idle. Is the CPU speed/frequency dropping down at idle in Windows? But as we have seen with the latest Intel processor boards, the Auto/default VCore values are way more than necessary. That is done as a precaution, since it is impossible to predict how the processors will be at first. What do you see as the VCore in the H/W Monitor screen? It won't be identical in Windows, can you get a VCore reading in Windows? Do you use the standard Balanced Windows Power Plan? The CM fans you have on the H60 are quiet, but as they are designed as quiet case fans, I wonder how well they work as radiator fans. The radiators on H series coolers are more restrictive to air flow than other radiators, in general. The stock H60 fan is four pin PWM, and goes up to 2,000RPM at least, with high static pressure, better for radiators. Did you ever try that fan? Connecting it to the CPU_FAN1 header would be optimal. Did you ever look at the Fan-Tastic Tuning feature for fan speed configuration, in the H/W Monitor screen? I see it listed in the manual, but not in the screen shot, so not sure if it is there.  It would be useful to configure the CPU fan speed so it would not be too loud, if that bothers you. |
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The Hydro kits that use the stock topside plastic heatsink retention bracket and the TWO "hoop' style fasteners and thumbscrews to secure are AM4 compatible. If the Hydro kit req's an included backplate or otherwise req's FOUR thumbscrews the User will need to order an AM4 Compatible bracket if, at this writing, it wasn't purchased, like, yesterday. I've been told old inventory was pulled, but .......... See here, about 5/8ths the way down (damn Corsair site trickery) http://www.corsair.com/en-us/ryzen |
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I never should have read further into the manual  It seemed clear to me when I was putting it together that is what those labels meant.From what I did read in the manual, I was left with the impression that the writer was in a hurry to finish. I didn't get the impression at the time that English wasn't the writers first language. So Kudos to them for doing as well as they did.
Excellent info, thank you!
I recently had to replace some aging fans, and bought a CoolerMaster four pack. They're a little on the slow side (~1200rpm), but they are very quiet.
I watched a video on YouTube that said this H60 was AM4 compatible, so I went ahead and ordered it. My HAF 912 can't really accommodate anything larger than a single 120 radiator. In my push/pull config, I actually have the "pull" fan located on the outside of the case (which makes reaching behind the computer "fun" sometimes). Where do you think the temps should be settling at? I could try changing the Voltage setting from "OC Mode" to (I believe) "Normal Mode", but that's really the only thing I messed with. I tried OC'ing the processor up to 4Ghz, but it idled around 65-70, and that made me uncomfortable. My 8350 idled around 30-40C when I had it pushed to 4.2-4.4, with a similar cooler.
The page on NewEgg has it listed as "AMD AM4 Compatible", so I think I'm good there. It was a bit of a stretch to get the clips around the notches in the stock heatsink brackets, but I did eventually get them on. I didn't much like the flex (in the AMD H60 "holder" that sits on top of the cooler) after it was tightened down, so perhaps I fastened it too tightly.
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