Taichi X370/1700X/Flare X 3200-14!!

a point to note
recently i let my system grab the fcu 1709

and then proceeded to go thru the steps to turn OFF all the bloatware (really nice way of saying spyware) that comes to ermmmmm 'help' windows see everything about us to 'make our lives easier'

there are a few you tubes vids that walk you through options to turn off and what they do, and if you really need them

as parsec mentioned above there is another option availble
it does involve some more mucking around circa 20-30 mins if your not used to it

and that is '1usmus' designed ryzen calculator

this guy wrote a program based on taking the timings set by the ram xmp and working out the quaility of your chips and then providing tables more tuned to amd ryzen than to intels cpu/bios

its been hugely successful (although its not a sure fire way to remove the need for amd advanced boot training)
i actually use it myself with my ram to lower the timings, my best result was this weekend helping a mate reset his corsair ram at same speed but with ryzen tuned timings to get a 40+ fps increase in his game (i suspect a very bad choice was made by his bios for original xmp settings caused the problem)

heres the link for you if you want to have a look, (remember though if your stable now to save a bios profile to able you to quickly revert back if needed)

http://www.overclock.net/t/1640919/ryzen-dram-calculator-overclocking-dram

I CANT STRESS ENOUGH
please make sure you follow ALL the settings and options provided, these ram settings are designed to all work with each other, cherry picking just the cl14/14/14/14/28/42 and then ignoring other timings/settings and volt option etc may not work very smoothly

ask my lazy ass how i know this
and also note the cad_bus settings there are two sections so make sure your adjusting the exact wierdly named options suggested in the calculator
best way is to run the program then print off the results to refer to when in bios
i suggest using 3200 fast options for timings for your ram

or plan B  save your time and stress levels and stick with what you have working now ,theres a lot of logic to that

Hi Ken, I was thinking of buying taichi with same gskill flareX ram, but after seeing a buildzoid review on youtube, essentially saying taichi is not worth it -- too many uefi issues -- im second guessing myself.  Problem is every single AM4 board is having problems, each with their own advantages/disadvantages. I'm just an average user, looking to get 3200 CAS 14 speeds on DRAM and 3.8/3.9 on CPU. So not asking for a lot.

Though Asus, MSI, Geforce are all better than Asrock currently in terms of CPU and RAM stability, they suffer from more "permanent" or hardware issues. Asus boards have issues with fan controllers/speeds, whereas Gigabyte boards have crackling audio.

Gotta pick some poison as they say.  At least the Taichi is a UEFI issue that can presumably be fixed.  But have to ask ourselves -- is it worth it? Maybe trade in for an Asus or Gigabyte board? They've had plenty of time to fix these issues, but since profit drives their interest over consumer satisfaction (as is the case for all board manufacturers), they don't.  Instead, they have to keep putting out new boards for the latest chipsets and try to ensure that they will at least work, so intel/amd can actually sell their new skews.

Whole thing is sh*t show -- competition between AMD and Intel has changed the market, which is nice, but as a result, consumer stability suffers as mobo manufacturers find themselves understaffed to essentially handle the industry wide changes that come with AMD's reintry into an otherwise monopolized field of production.

It'll prob be by the middle of next year before the AM4 boards are actually stable and functioning, and can handle the hardware, as it is advertised, without endless tinkering in the UEFI.

But I wish you the best of luck, and myself too -- I'll prob end up going Taichi and FlareX, and put in the work and frustration to get the products working as advertised, just cause the only alternatives are crackling audio on everything I do, or overbearing case sound from uncontrolled fan curves.

But know this -- the consumer always suffer, even when it seems like he gains.

Parsec, datonyb,

Back to my original issue. Attached is a screen shot of what the Ryzen Calculator came up with based on my entries. Does this look like I'm close to what I need to enter in the Advance DRAM Timing section of the BIOS so I can turn off XMP?

https://imgur.com/a/s6cxp


Edited by Ken429 - 24 Nov 2017 at 10:50pm

I'm sure I'm making this more difficult that it should be but...a few more questions.

The Taichi BIOS has two places to adjust DRAM timings, one under the OC Tweaker Tab and another under the Advanced TAB AMD CBS/AMD SBS. The one under the Advance Tab only shows details when Overclock is set to Enabled. When you turn on XMP the Overclock setting is automatically set to Enabled.

Most of the settings are the same in both places except a lowercase "t" is used under the OC Tweaker DRAM Timing Configuration and in the Advanced AMD SBS DRAM Timing Configuration an Upper Case "T" is used.

The output of the Ryzen DRAM Calculator program uses a lower case "t" to refer to the recommended detailed DRAM timing changes.

Where do I go to put in the recommended settings - OC Tweaker Tab or Advance Tab?

To get back my 10 seconds of boot time should I turn off XMP and AM4 Advanced Training? Or does the timing overrides turn off the need for the BIOS to spend 10 seconds trying to figure out what settings to use?

Edited by Ken429 - 25 Nov 2017 at 9:44pm

Ok, I entered all the settings I could find in the BIOS from the DRAM Calculator. The only ones that I had issue with were "BGS Disable" and "BGS alt Disable". I could not find anything in the BIOS that looked like BGS?!

I entered 24 for (Rec.1) for the CAD_Bus stuff and the system did not like it so I entered 30 (Rec. 2). The system then booted normally.

Other than that the system booted OK and appears to run normally, I'll exercise it for a few days and see if anything bad happens.

At least according to AIDA64 the memory is running a little faster with the new settings in the Read, Write and Copy tests. The Latency also improved from 72.9 to 68.8.

After I'm confident that the system is stable I'll run my "Handbrake Benchmark" and see if there is any real world improvement. Also, I'll venture into turning off XMP and/or AM4 Advanced Boot Training looking to get the 10 seconds back in the cold boot to the first BIOS post screen.

Thanks for the all help so far, there seems to be a light at the end of the tunnel for the Flare X 3200-4 memory.






Edited by Ken429 - 27 Nov 2017 at 7:16pm