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    Posted: 15 Jul 2018 at 10:35pm
I hope someone from AsRock BIOS team can read this and implement a fix- I don't think it's an issue with my hardware!

I'm using Samsung B Die F4-3200C14D-32GTZR (which is on AMD support list here) 2 x 16GB sticks. I don't believe it's on Asrock QVL, but since this is B Die it should work. When I had my 1700X, I would load the XMP profile and it would be 100% stable at CPU stock speed or a moderate 3.8ghz overclock. It ran the RAM at 3200mhz 14-14-14-34, 1.35v RAM voltage, 1.1v VDDR_SOC voltage.

After upgrading to the 2700X, I can only hit 2933mhz RAM.  If I load XMP profile for 3200mhz (again it defaults VDDR_SOC to 1.1v, but I've tried everything between 0.925v - 1.1875v) the system usually fails to POST and will bootloop on 9F or hang on 0d.  If I'm lucky and it POSTs it will freeze pretty quickly. If I back down to 2933mhz (I even put the RAM from 1.35v -> 1.3v) it's rock solid stable. When it's at 2933mhz the VDDR_SOC is running at 0.925V which means my IMC/ integrated memory controller on the CPU can't be that bad....  I put the RAM in a friends Z370 system and it ran HCI memtest to 400% on the XMP settings overnight, so the RAM is good too.

I've tried BIOS 4.60 and 4.70 and the BETAs 4.64 and 4.72.  By the way, BIOS 4.72 seems the best out of any of them even if it's BETA so if you have the X370 Taichi I strongly recommend that. Even on my 1700X it fixed some quirks like voltage not being applied right and the multiplier bug.  Please help!




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this is out from asrock qvl on your board 

all imc's are different since on your boards qvl seems only 2 32gb kits can run 3200 i'd suggest running at those timings. But i wouldnt bet on it since 32gb kits dont really run well on ryzens on high ram clocks


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Originally posted by gizmic gizmic wrote:

this is out from asrock qvl on your board 

all imc's are different since on your boards qvl seems only 2 32gb kits can run 3200 i'd suggest running at those timings. But i wouldnt bet on it since 32gb kits dont really run well on ryzens on high ram clocks


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VDDR_SOC is basically the CPU IMC voltage.  How can I be running 2933mhz at 0.925v, but 3200mhz is unstable regardless of VDDR_SOC?  That doesn't make sense... It should scale to a certain point.  If I had a poor IMC on the CPU, then I would not be hitting 2933mhz at such a low voltage.

Ryzen Refresh should have better IMC than first gen.  On my 1700X I could even run 3333mhz on this same dual rank kit.  There's no reason it shouldn't work at 3200mhz on the 2700X.  And that link I posted was from AMD- this RAM is approved for use on Ryzen at rated speed timings regardless if Asrock has it on their QVL.  QVL can help when purchasing RAM, but isn't the end all for compatibility by any means.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gizmic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jul 2018 at 10:23am
running 2933 0.925 doesnt mean you have a good IMC every component has a sweet spot and a ceiling.

lol @ qvl compatibility my kits are not even on the list got them because they are cheaper.

regardless if changing few voltage settings is the only thing that you've tried then its not enough in my book. 





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try to load default 3200 xmp profile and bump the ram voltage to 1.38-1.4 and leave the other settings alone.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cx5 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jul 2018 at 4:19pm
Originally posted by Dopamin3 Dopamin3 wrote:

By the way, BIOS 4.72 seems the best out of any of them even if it's BETA so if you have the X370 Taichi I strongly recommend that. Even on my 1700X it fixed some quirks like voltage not being applied right and the multiplier bug.  

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