Could BIOS settings cause stuttering?
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Topic: Could BIOS settings cause stuttering?
Posted By: mpw90
Subject: Could BIOS settings cause stuttering?
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2018 at 6:49pm
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" rel="nofollow - Hi all, I have had persistent stuttering over 10 months since I purchased this machine. This is after changing every single component at least 3 times. Removing components. Reinstalling OS's (Windows 10 and Linux Mint) over different disks. Updating BIOS. Different monitors and setups. Different cables, refresh rates. It's across all games. I've tried many drivers. Disabling lots of services, etc. I have tried stock settings in BIOS, locked clocks, different XMP profiles. Overclocking, underclocking, etc. Power plans. Is there something painfully obvious that could be at play here? Also, if I was to try an AMD card rather than the 4 1060's I've tried (with many different drivers) and it persists, what might this indicate. CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard Memory: G.Skill - Flare X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory Storage: Crucial - MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB SC GAMING Video Card Case: Thermaltake - Core V21 MicroATX Mini Tower Case Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte - GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter -- not inserted Monitor: Acer - XF240H 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor Monitor: Acer - XF240H 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor Could this be a BIOS thing? Even across 3-4 motherboards? Other threads https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1073706/geforce-1000-series/nvidia-boost-clock-voltage-changes-quite-clearly-causing-stuttering/" rel="nofollow - https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1073706/geforce-1000-series/nvidia-boost-clock-voltage-changes-quite-clearly-causing-stuttering/ https://community.amd.com/thread/231700" rel="nofollow - https://community.amd.com/thread/231700 https://forums.evga.com/The-hardest-stutter-to-troubleshoot-m2850576.aspx" rel="nofollow - https://forums.evga.com/The-hardest-stutter-to-troubleshoot-m2850576.aspx |
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Posted By: xhue
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2018 at 7:33pm
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" rel="nofollow - How exactly does this stuttering manifests itself? Where? Did you try running HWIFO or similar tool while stuttering occurs? Maybe it wise to install some Ubuntu and try some free games under OpenGL?
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Posted By: mpw90
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2018 at 9:16pm
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I have Linux Mint available to try this, based on Ubuntu, I believe. The stuttering it hard to pin point. It can manifest itself out of no where. I already have CSV file from HWInfo64, which I have just looked at, and from what I can see, for some reason the GPU decides to: downclock itself from 1949mhz to 1721mhz downvolt from 1.05v to 0.881v This causes the GPU to hit it's Utilisation Performance Limit. It does this for 10 seconds, despite the temperature being 58/59C and 37% load. These numbers are really low. I don't understand why it's trying to download when there's at least 37% load. Even the CPU is at around 25% usage. |
Posted By: xhue
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 2:59am
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" rel="nofollow - Very strange. Could it be a bad BIOS flash? I've seen many ASRock boards here suffering from leftovers from previous BIOS flashes? Even on my old X370 Taichi I experienced this at some point. Other things that come to mind - bad BCLK? Maybe some fluctuations in the BCLK is messing with the GPU? Maybe PCIe bus link state is also flunky? P.S. I can't imagine 1060 when there are dirt cheap 580 or 570.
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Posted By: mpw90
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2018 at 4:24am
Over 5 x AB350m Pro4, and DS3H, I doubt it. I noticed after setting manual voltage curve on GPU that the GPU % drops by over 15%, and the Bus % drops by over 15% in sync with each other. BCLK looks stable.
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xhue wrote:Posted By: nanohead
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 6:00am
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" rel="nofollow - What specifically do you mean by stuttering? This could give some more insight into how to track down the cause. If you're referring to in game problems, where it stops/starts at tiny intervals, there could be a number of causes of that. I don't think I've ever seen it be a motherboard issue though, as the mobo has almost nothing to do with gameplay, other than providing the plumbing for the video card, memory and CPU to talk to each other. And that's basically fixed in silicon (for the most part) Generally the stock BIOS settings are fine for every day operation. Usually, these problems are caused by GPU software handshaking with its memory and the game itself. I've seen it with both Nvidia (have a 1070Ti) and AMD (have had many, and now have an RX580). I too use Linux Mint (on an old AM1 system, and an Intel Zotac sphere also!). Another potential source is I/O from the Disk/SSD. I've seen there be situations where the SSD has a bad controller cache, and tries to fence it off, but it can't keep up and therefore produces stuttering while trying to keep up with the CPU or GPU asking for more data. Have you tried running any disk test suites? Sometimes, they can tell you things you may not have suspected. Just last month, one of my Linux Mint machines (the trusty AM1), started stuttering, hanging and crashing. It was odd, as I use it as a secondary work desktop, and its slow, but reliable. Happened for several days, and ultimately it was a bad Intel SSD that caused the problem. Lost some data unfortunately, but replaced the SSD, reinstalled, and all is well. |
Posted By: mpw90
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 8:00am
Hi, I can rule out the GPU, too because I just used an RX580 and it did it. For more information (and sorry for the link, it's just I've explained this countless time to so many people), please visit this post here: https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1073706/geforce-1000-series/nvidia-boost-clock-voltage-changes-quite-clearly-causing-stuttering/ I have basically done everything, and there's a video attached. I do believe disk could be a cause, despite changing my SSD 2 times, and my HDD 2 times, and fresh installs, etc -- the thread may explain that. So, I have used disk utilities to test, but it didn't reveal any problems. Is there any you would recommend? I have literally changed everything. The stutter is a momentary pause in gameplay between 50ms and 250ms. I have plenty of screenshots, graphs and log data available. I can see that disk operation does take place, the page file doesn't, but the GPU usage drops to 0%. The voltage and clock speed of the GPU also drops with both RX580 and 1060, after using DDU. Fresh installs, multiple games.
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Posted By: gizmic
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 11:31am
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not sure for other games but i remember there was a time that csgo shuttering are related to CnQ or anything that changes frenquency so things like disable cpu cnq and set nvidia gpu to maximum performance would fix it i'm not sure if this is still a fix for csgo ------------- 
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Posted By: mpw90
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2018 at 6:28pm
Disabled already.
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Posted By: kerberos_20
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2018 at 2:33am
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sooo basicly you gpu slows down for some unknow reason rite.. can u run in background http://www.resplendence.com/latencymon" rel="nofollow - latencymon , post picture during/after your issue? also run https://www.userbenchmark.com/Software" rel="nofollow - userbenchmark and post link to your result just a side note...i really doubt its GPU related... baceause your GPU isnt fully utilised, so you get core frequency drops and gpu-z shows utilisation....thats normal power saving feature, it cant make u stutter, stutter would be constant changes of frequency, like every second...still if it would be GPU frequency related, u will have low frequency + alsmost 100% gpu usage, which u dont have soooo. your gpu is fine :)
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Posted By: mpw90
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2018 at 2:53am
Interesting. I've changed every single component 3+ times. Could this be an inherent flaw with Ryzen?
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Posted By: kerberos_20
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2018 at 3:03am
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post some benchmarks first, to see how your componnents works atm ------------- http://valid.x86.fr/diq4l4" rel="nofollow"> http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/47132492" rel="nofollow - userbenchmark |
Posted By: robmcc83
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2018 at 6:15am
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" rel="nofollow - I would also suggest it could still be a motherboard issue. When you say you have tried 3 motherboards are they all from asrock? Reason I ask is because I put a new computer together back in april and had terrible problems with it, all relating to slow bios updates to the new amd agesa. It was unusable for what I needed it for until I received this update, amd released the update pretty much straight away, asrock applied this update to the bios 6 months later!!!! After my update had been released the main problem was solved but my system always seemed unreliable and slower than my previous 8 year old computer. Enough was enough, I purchased a Asus board last month, same specs different manufacture, and I can tell you this my system has been solid ever since, it's snappy and works as I would expect it to. My asrock board went straight in the bin. I've never had a asrock board before this was my first and is definitely my last. Pure waste of money but a learning curve I suppose. Good luck, maybe yours could be related to something other than your motherboard. |
Posted By: mpw90
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 11:16pm
I've sadly tried a Gigabyte DS3H, too, with stock BIOS. Exactly the same symptoms.
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Posted By: basedmeezus
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 11:54pm
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try the following: restart your computer, let it sit for a minute or two and lock it and walk away until it goes to sleep mode. come back and wake the pc up from sleep mode and see if the stutter issue occurs while jsut normally browsing the web or on desktop. if you're having this issue, it means im not the only one. the fix i've found is to disable sleep mode/any power saving mode. or if you don't wanna do that, just restart your computer and it should fix the stutter issue. we'll that's atleast what im having. what your describing seems very similar to mine, though i haven't installed linux on my pc yet, so can't troubleshoot the problem there. hopefully this weekend i'll get around to throwing arch on there and see if the problem is there as well. if that's the issue, then i guess it's something to do with bios power saving cpu states |
Posted By: basedmeezus
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 12:01am
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also while briefly researching this for my issue, i came across someone creating a task manager like application for them self because they had the same issue, and what they discovered was their intel ethernet card was taking 100% of the cpu for that time (250 ms to 1s) and then going back down to normal. it wouldn't show up on task manager but the app they quickly wrote up was logging the intel ethernet card as the culprit. hopefully that helps you out |
Posted By: mpw90
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2018 at 6:47pm
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Do you have a link for that?
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Posted By: arso96
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2018 at 8:02pm
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" rel="nofollow - Did you also reinstall Windows when you upgraded your CPU? The issue may be software related and in order to test that out you want to get to a fresh state of software on your computer. You are technically required to purchase a new license when you make that type of upgrade because it is the same as buying a new computer. If you have a retail key Microsoft may be willing to work with you to activate Windows on your new hardware. If you bought an OEM key then you are solely responsible and Microsoft probably won't be so willing to work with you. You will likely be required to buy a new key if this is the case. |
Posted By: mpw90
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2018 at 11:06pm
I don't use sleep mode. Neither on Windows, nor on Linux. Restarting does not solve the stutter issue. I have also tried disabling C-States. |
Posted By: mpw90
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2018 at 11:07pm
I didn't upgrade my CPU. It's a new (ish) build from January. It's existed since the beginning. For this to be software related, I would be very surprised as the problem exists in two different kernels, with two different driver sets. I purchased my key separate. It wasn't an OEM purchased device. It's a custom build. I don't expect support from Microsoft, because I don't expect or believe that this is a software issue.
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Posted By: basedmeezus
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 5:44pm
unfortunately I do not. But to test this out, give this a shot. Next time it happens, try disabling the Ethernet adapter(settings>network and internet>change adapter options). Also could be a Ram Issue. try this out in bios, go to oc tweaker, and then somewhere under xmp settings/dram timings settings. basically disable power down mode and gear down mode. give it a shot and lemme know what happens. Used to happen to me under windows but I did something and no longer happens for me. though my pc also doesn't go to sleep anymore either. |
Posted By: basedmeezus
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 5:48pm
| also in Linux Mint, open up a terminal, and type in "sudo lspci" without quotation marks and post the output of that command into here |
Posted By: mpw90
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 8:01pm
I have already tried with Gear Down Mode disabled. It didn't do anything. |
Posted By: basedmeezus
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2018 at 4:26am
| gotcha. Can you take a picture of your ram memory timings? wanna make sure that's correct. Also post the output of "sudo lspci" you get in linux mint. That command will show all of your devices and what drivers are running. I might have one more thing that might help but won't be able to get to that until i get home from work. |
Posted By: mpw90
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2018 at 8:04pm
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Hi, Picture of the timings in BIOS? I've tried many different timings by the way. I've used the Ryzen Timings tool, too. I was previously using the stock 3200mhz timings for this module which was 14-14-14-34 with tRC of 48. I'm currently using 14-14-14-28 with tRC of 50. Here are some screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/2uRQ589 I can perform lspci for you this evening. Though, I don't think it's going to show much other than what I have said. |
Posted By: basedmeezus
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2018 at 2:39am
regarding sudo lspci, https://linux.die.net/man/8/lspci ------------- 
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Posted By: mpw90
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2018 at 8:00pm
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Hi, Thanks for the reply. I understand what lspci does -- but I am wondering what you're expecting to find. Cheers |
Posted By: basedmeezus
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2018 at 12:55am
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just more info on the network adapter. -------------
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Posted By: mpw90
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2018 at 4:14am
No problem. Here it is. 00:00.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Root Complex 00:01.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge 00:01.3 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) PCIe GPP Bridge 00:02.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge 00:03.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge 00:03.1 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) PCIe GPP Bridge 00:04.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge 00:07.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge 00:07.1 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Internal PCIe GPP Bridge 0 to Bus B 00:08.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) PCIe Dummy Host Bridge 00:08.1 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Internal PCIe GPP Bridge 0 to Bus B 00:14.0 SMBus: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH SMBus Controller (rev 59) 00:14.3 ISA bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH LPC Bridge (rev 51) 00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 0 00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 1 00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 2 00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 3 00:18.4 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 4 00:18.5 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 5 00:18.6 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric Device 18h Function 6 00:18.7 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Data Fabric: Device 18h; Function 7 03:00.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] 300 Series Chipset USB 3.1 xHCI Controller (rev 02) 03:00.1 SATA controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] 300 Series Chipset SATA Controller (rev 02) 03:00.2 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 43b2 (rev 02) 1d:00.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] 300 Series Chipset PCIe Port (rev 02) 1d:01.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] 300 Series Chipset PCIe Port (rev 02) 1d:04.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] 300 Series Chipset PCIe Port (rev 02) 1f:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 11) 23:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GP106 [GeForce GTX 1060 6GB] (rev a1) 23:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GP106 High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1) 24:00.0 Non-Essential Instrumentation [1300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 145a 24:00.2 Encryption controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) Platform Security Processor 24:00.3 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) USB 3.0 Host Controller 25:00.0 Non-Essential Instrumentation [1300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 1455 25:00.2 SATA controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH SATA Controller [AHCI mode] (rev 51) 25:00.3 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 17h (Models 00h-0fh) HD Audio Controller |
Posted By: basedmeezus
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2018 at 10:33pm
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I've started having the same issue your having again but only when my pc goes to sleep. gonna finally install linux today and see if i can trouble shoot there since event viewer on windows is useless :/. Hopefully I can find a solution there since I'm more of a linux guy. -------------
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Posted By: mpw90
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2018 at 9:08pm
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When I test this, my PC doesn't go to sleep. I have disabled it in both BIOS and Windows. It also happens when I restart the machine (and I have fast boot disabled) -- also worth noting that even when I full power cycle the machine it still happens. Unless there's some sleep state that is being entered (when its disabled) and I am loading the machine straight away in to a game, or YouTube, I cannot make sense of it. |
Posted By: basedmeezus
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2018 at 6:20am
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Have you checked under advanced power options in windows? I tried installing different distro's last night but was having issues trying to install it as encrypted lvm. hopefully once i get that figured out, I can try setting the pc to sleep manually and checking kernel logs if it starts freezing up randomly. -------------
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Posted By: basedmeezus
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2018 at 10:32pm
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Quick update: I got antergos to work finally. I replicated the stutter issue in windows as soon as i set it to sleep, but when i tried it out in intergos, didn't have any issues. What kernal version are you running? You can find out via 'uname -r' i believe Also next time you face the stutter issue, open up a terminal and run 'dmesg' and paste that in here so we can see what the kernel is saying -------------
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Posted By: mpw90
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2018 at 6:24am
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I'll check shortly! I don't use Linux as my main environment at the moment. However... UPDATE. When I disabled multicore rendering in each game, I was able to stop all stuttering. Hmm. |
Posted By: basedmeezus
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2018 at 6:41am
Have you tried turning off smt and try enabling game mode via ryzen master? -------------
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Posted By: basedmeezus
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2018 at 6:43am
Also, which games? -------------
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Posted By: mpw90
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2018 at 6:46pm
I had already tried the SMT thing. It doesn't work for me. Ryzen Master in general for me is an absolute nightmare, and I don't want it on my system. Thus far, CS:GO and League of Legends. |
Posted By: basedmeezus
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2018 at 4:29am
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Just realized since u have an nvidia gpu and ryzen master not installed, what if ur chipset driver needs to be updated? -------------
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Posted By: basedmeezus
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2018 at 4:30am
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Also might help try using CCleaner to clear registery -------------
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Posted By: mpw90
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2018 at 6:17pm
I regularly check chipset. It's up to date. I've used CCleaner previously, but to be honest, on new systems, freshly installed Windows 10, it happens... |