x570Taichi, is this correct base frequencies
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Topic: x570Taichi, is this correct base frequencies
Posted By: brucer
Subject: x570Taichi, is this correct base frequencies
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2019 at 5:14am
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Why are the frequencies dropping to as low as 3.5ghz during a Geekbench4 benchmark run? I thought the base frequency was 3.9ghz on the 3800x? In the video you can see the 3800x frequencies drop as low as 3.5ghz... Can anyone confirm this is how the cpu is suppose to act and react? yes I'm hitting the max boost, but the low base frequecies are questionable to me.. Default bios settings, xmp profile 1 for gskill 3600mhz royal memory, bios version 1.8, amd's latest chipset drivers, windows 10 latest updates running Ryzen balanced powerplan.. I'm also running a 280mm aio, cpu doesnt get over 35c during the benchmark run.. video of a Geekbench4 run.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lur6O871cEY ------------- Asrock x570 Taichi, Ryzen3800x, 32gb Gskill Royal 36000mhz@ 3733mhz, Samsung 250gb 970evo plus for OS drive, Sabrent Rocket 1tb nvme storage drive. |
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Posted By: gizmic
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2019 at 7:49am
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no load no base clock ------------- 
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Posted By: brucer
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2019 at 9:10am
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That video is taken while running a geekbench 4 benchmark.. There should be some load on the cpu the entire time.. ------------- Asrock x570 Taichi, Ryzen3800x, 32gb Gskill Royal 36000mhz@ 3733mhz, Samsung 250gb 970evo plus for OS drive, Sabrent Rocket 1tb nvme storage drive. |
Posted By: Ray62
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2019 at 1:11pm
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Use HWInfo instead of HWMonitor! Make your own powerplan based on Ryzen balanced powerplan -> Performance, to see the base frequency when CPU is in idle state Make a testrun with this powerplan, one with the Ryzen balanced and compare. ------------- Asrock Fatal1ty X370 Professional Gaming Offline Under test: MSI X570_MEG_ACE | AMD Ryzen 9 3900X | Scythe Mugen5 | 2x16GB F4-3200C14D-32GTZ@3466 | ASUS GeForce GTX 1080 Ti FE |
Posted By: gizmic
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2019 at 1:51pm
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if its underload the entire time cpu utilization will be 100% in the whole test.... -------------
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Posted By: Ray62
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2019 at 2:23pm
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Setting to performance doesn't mean 100% load, just use high CPU clock even if there is 0% load. CPU also goes to idle. ------------- Asrock Fatal1ty X370 Professional Gaming Offline Under test: MSI X570_MEG_ACE | AMD Ryzen 9 3900X | Scythe Mugen5 | 2x16GB F4-3200C14D-32GTZ@3466 | ASUS GeForce GTX 1080 Ti FE |
Posted By: gizmic
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2019 at 9:34pm
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i was answering his reply performance mode only sets the min cpu perfomance to 100% speed thus negating CnQ to base clock -------------
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Posted By: brucer
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2019 at 9:57pm
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not with exactly with Ryzen3000, it isnt at a full load when under load.. If that makes sense.. If I run a cinebench run it will load all cores equally, like 4.2ghz, but only one, two or sometimes even three cores will hit max boost at any various time, usually when first initializing the test, then settling to 4.2 across all cores... Running something like geekbench or 3dmark timespy or firestrike, I get wild fluctuation's like shown in the video, dipping well below the advertised base frequency.. I cant believe no one hasnt noticed this before.. This fluctuation has to reduce the cpu's overall performance. I dont feel like there is anything wrong with the cpu, as it runs within margin of other 3800x's.. But dipping as low as 3.5 ghz (400mhz below base clock) while running these various benchmarks doesnt seem right, that means it would do it while gaming also. I think it has something to do with the power delivery, either through the bios or actual power delivery of the board not reacting correctly. Like the voltage is dropping too low when its not suppose too or its dropping the voltage like its suppose to and not recovering fast enough.... I feel cpuid hwmonitor reports better than hdwareinfo, according to amd reps on their forum hwinfo was reporting wrong early on and they said to use cpuid hwmonitor, so I stuck with it and Ryzen master. ------------- Asrock x570 Taichi, Ryzen3800x, 32gb Gskill Royal 36000mhz@ 3733mhz, Samsung 250gb 970evo plus for OS drive, Sabrent Rocket 1tb nvme storage drive. |
Posted By: brucer
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2019 at 11:06pm
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adding to above comment.. Is there a way to core park the base frequency? ------------- Asrock x570 Taichi, Ryzen3800x, 32gb Gskill Royal 36000mhz@ 3733mhz, Samsung 250gb 970evo plus for OS drive, Sabrent Rocket 1tb nvme storage drive. |
Posted By: gizmic
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2019 at 12:12am
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how are you not getting this if you run something like prime95 on all cores it will never go below base clock. running geekbench firestrike or whatnot will have parts when it doesnt stress the cpu thus cnq will be in effect be it for a split sec or in between the test. CNQ & boost clocks are updated in split second "cool and quiet" when enabled will dip the clock when the core isnt under load which is stated by Ray62 if you dont want it to dip either disable CNQ or set "processor power management> mininum processor state" to 100% under power options in windows or set it to performance as stated by ray62 -------------
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Posted By: brucer
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2019 at 1:16am
Because it likely wont work on this motherboard. Pbo and xfr doesnt work so why would cnq work? ------------- Asrock x570 Taichi, Ryzen3800x, 32gb Gskill Royal 36000mhz@ 3733mhz, Samsung 250gb 970evo plus for OS drive, Sabrent Rocket 1tb nvme storage drive. |
gizmic wrote:Posted By: brucer
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2019 at 1:28am
changed the ryzen powerplan minimum processor percentage to 100% and results are exactly the same. ------------- Asrock x570 Taichi, Ryzen3800x, 32gb Gskill Royal 36000mhz@ 3733mhz, Samsung 250gb 970evo plus for OS drive, Sabrent Rocket 1tb nvme storage drive. |
Posted By: brucer
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2019 at 1:40am
Not finding any Cool&Quiet setting in the bios either.. ------------- Asrock x570 Taichi, Ryzen3800x, 32gb Gskill Royal 36000mhz@ 3733mhz, Samsung 250gb 970evo plus for OS drive, Sabrent Rocket 1tb nvme storage drive. |
Posted By: brucer
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2019 at 4:00am
Are you familiar with an x570 Taichi or ryzen3000 series cpu? I have yet to find a cool&quiet setting in the bios.. Yea my x370 professional gaming had it.. I dont think the x570 Taichi has it, or if it does it must be buried in the bios somewhere because I sure as hell dont see it and cant find it.... ------------- Asrock x570 Taichi, Ryzen3800x, 32gb Gskill Royal 36000mhz@ 3733mhz, Samsung 250gb 970evo plus for OS drive, Sabrent Rocket 1tb nvme storage drive. |
Posted By: brucer
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2019 at 12:26pm
created the powerplan, the minimum processor state set at 98, 99, and 100%.. Tested all three sitting idle it will sit at 3.875ghz on all cores for a little, then it will drop about half the cores to 3.5ghz, and the other cores go to like 4.275ghz.. Then it repeats continuously.. changing the min processor state does nothing.. Running the benchmarks acts the same as it did, dropping to 3.5ghz like in the video.. ------------- Asrock x570 Taichi, Ryzen3800x, 32gb Gskill Royal 36000mhz@ 3733mhz, Samsung 250gb 970evo plus for OS drive, Sabrent Rocket 1tb nvme storage drive. |
Posted By: Ray62
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2019 at 1:48pm
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I am running CPU_Z, windows energy options open, just marking AMD Ryzen Balanced or Performance and core speed jumps between low idle clock or base frequency (with some random spikes to highest boost clock) I suggest to save your current bios settings, load bios defaults, do not change anything related to the CPU, and retry that test. Cool&Quiet disappeared in the bios versions since supporting Zen2 even for some boards from other vendors. Power Supply Idle Control ------------- Asrock Fatal1ty X370 Professional Gaming Offline Under test: MSI X570_MEG_ACE | AMD Ryzen 9 3900X | Scythe Mugen5 | 2x16GB F4-3200C14D-32GTZ@3466 | ASUS GeForce GTX 1080 Ti FE |
Posted By: brucer
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2019 at 2:07pm
The bios settings related to the cpu are at default settings. The only things I have changed are memory related, the xmp profile, 3733mhz for dram frequency and I increased dram voltage to 1.362v, fclk is also set at 1866.. I also set two of the chassis fans to performance and chipset fan to performance.. I'm running the latest bios v1.8 and current chipset driver from amd. ------------- Asrock x570 Taichi, Ryzen3800x, 32gb Gskill Royal 36000mhz@ 3733mhz, Samsung 250gb 970evo plus for OS drive, Sabrent Rocket 1tb nvme storage drive. |
Posted By: gizmic
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2019 at 3:59pm
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should be 2 ways to disable it 1, disable global c-state 2, disable p-state 1 onwards -------------
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