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X399 Phantom Gaming and Raid

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Topic: X399 Phantom Gaming and Raid
Posted By: deheugden
Subject: X399 Phantom Gaming and Raid
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2019 at 2:27am
I got this M-board, the X399 gaming 6 and i would love to put 2 m.2. sata's into raid. But i cant find any info about how to do this. Isnt it possible to create a hardware raid with this mainboard

thank you.?



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Posted By: Ray62
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2019 at 3:39am
Could you please read the manual and the AMD RAID Installation Guide?


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Posted By: deheugden
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2019 at 2:21pm
many thanks for the reply. There is no information in the mainboard manual about the Raid nor a reference to a different guide.
I did find an AMD RAID Installation Guide, but that guide isnt correct. At page 11, point F, it is telling: Go to Boot? CSM and set ?œLaunch Storage OpROM policy??to <UEFI only>
But it is not possible to change something with the cms.


Posted By: Ray62
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2019 at 3:29pm
Yes, of course, this is not clear explained.
- Setup a RAID array with SATA3-HDDs
- Setup a RAID array with M2 NVME PCIe drives
But no info for M2 SATA drives

Obviously the special AMD-NVME-RAID mode cannot be used with M2-SATA SSDs, because it requires PCIe.

I think, the only way is to handle the M2-SATA SSDs like "normal" SAT-HDDs, meaning setting the SATA conroller to RAID mode and so on.

But anyway, you have a platform for high speed PCIe NVME SSDs, but you are using slow M2-SATA SSDs. What an unwise decision.
I would go for a new PCIe NVME SSD in M2_1 which is much faster as a SATA-Raid. And running the existing(?) M2-SATA SSDs in M2_2 and M2_3.

And personally, i would not use any Mainboard RAID functionality without a very good backup strategy.


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Posted By: deheugden
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2019 at 9:34pm
Many thanks for the reply.i have 2 x Samsung 970 EVO PLUS M.2 500GB for the raid. Are they really too slow because their specs are
3500 MB/s


Posted By: Ray62
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2019 at 10:32pm
What? You posted that you want to put 2 m.2. SATA drives into raid!!!

Samsung 970 EVO PLUS M.2 500GB are NVME PCIe 4x drives for which AMD NVME-Raid is designed!
And the setup for a RAID array with M2 NVME PCIe drives is described.
You have to disable CSM, because you need the UEFI mode for that.
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-enabled-nvme-raid-upgrade-for-amd-x399-chipset.html




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MSI X570_MEG_ACE | AMD Ryzen 9 3900X | Scythe Mugen5 | 2x16GB F4-3200C14D-32GTZ@3466 | ASUS GeForce GTX 1080 Ti FE


Posted By: deheugden
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2019 at 10:55pm
Correct, the Samsung's are m.2
I woild like to put them into raid because 512gb is not enough for my build.

But, the Amd raid installation guid tells me to Go to Boot? CSM and set ?œLaunch Storage OpROM policy??to <UEFI only>.

But ther e is no lau ch storage oprom at cms


Posted By: Ray62
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2019 at 11:08pm
Which CPU and what bios version (3.50 at least is required i think) are you using?
And is that a new build?


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Posted By: deheugden
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2019 at 11:25pm
The new build is my newly created pc. Am using biosversion 1.30, cpu is ryzen tr 1920x


Posted By: deheugden
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2019 at 11:38pm
1.30 is the newest bios according to Asrock support and mainboard, memory ,cpu are new


Posted By: Ray62
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2019 at 12:12am
uups, i was on the 399M page... OK, bios is up-to-date.

Did you load bios defaults?
Are the two drives visable in the storage list?
Did you proceed like described under 1.4 UEFI RAID Configuration?
Did you also read https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-enabled-nvme-raid-upgrade-for-amd-x399-chipset.html
?



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Asrock Fatal1ty X370 Professional Gaming Offline
Under test:
MSI X570_MEG_ACE | AMD Ryzen 9 3900X | Scythe Mugen5 | 2x16GB F4-3200C14D-32GTZ@3466 | ASUS GeForce GTX 1080 Ti FE


Posted By: deheugden
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2019 at 7:20pm
Disks can be seen, but no opt option and the create an array is greyed out.


Posted By: deheugden
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2019 at 10:45pm
Have been able to fixe the greyed out create array, it seems someone by default ab array was created. So temoved that one.
I created an array raid 0, but when looking in the raid expert utiliy/ array management/ view associated physical disks, i see both the disks and they both are disabeled. It seems i canonly enable 1.

When instaling Windows,i can see both the disks in a non-raid state.

Interesting case, it never took me that long to create a raid in a server



Posted By: Ray62
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2019 at 11:04pm
Hmm, maybe the SSDs are not so new... Clear/Wipe them before using

BTW: Maybe also an important info:
https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-260

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MSI X570_MEG_ACE | AMD Ryzen 9 3900X | Scythe Mugen5 | 2x16GB F4-3200C14D-32GTZ@3466 | ASUS GeForce GTX 1080 Ti FE


Posted By: deheugden
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2019 at 5:36pm
Wiping them wasnot possible. The secure ssd eraser didnt recognize them. Changed the storageconfiguration into ahci, saved, exit, reboot, and then the eraser tool did recognize them.

Had to save and exit, just chaning raid into ahci wasnt enough.

Aftef that, i had to restart everything again...i created a raid 0, started installing Windows.

The 2 ssd's where found againd, notification that i could tj stalled Windows. I removed both drives, rescanned and nothing was found. I browsed to my usb, installed the first amd-raid bottem device and after that i browsed the foller again to install the controller storport....and am wai int now for that driver to beinstalled


Posted By: deheugden
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2019 at 6:07pm
Stopped the installation process, downloaded the new drivers from this link:
https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-260

but nothing changes, when installing Windows(new installation) both ssd's are found, notification that Windows cannot be installed is back, installing new drivers doesnt hange a thing. Still no raid


Posted By: Ray62
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2019 at 8:27pm
I really don't understand at which step you stumbling. There are some videos online, the whole thing should take about 15 minutes.

With a MSI board:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MClnWJ9mws

Not in english, but with an Asrock X399 Professional Gaming:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSQAFaZSFVw


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Asrock Fatal1ty X370 Professional Gaming Offline
Under test:
MSI X570_MEG_ACE | AMD Ryzen 9 3900X | Scythe Mugen5 | 2x16GB F4-3200C14D-32GTZ@3466 | ASUS GeForce GTX 1080 Ti FE


Posted By: deheugden
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2019 at 8:56pm
i started all over again and i have been able to install all the drives and see the created raid during Windos install, but now i get a
Windows can't be installed on drive 0 partition 1(show details) notification.

The details tells me that Windows annot be installed. The computer's hardware may no support booting to this disk. Ensure that the disk controller is enabled in the computer's bios menu


I did enable raid in the bios, so this error is making me pull my hairs outof my head. But i am going back to the bios to see if i can find an error.


Posted By: deheugden
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2019 at 9:13pm
seems i had to disable the csm in the bios althouh the tutorial tells me to enable it.


Posted By: Ray62
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 3:44am
Originally posted by deheugden deheugden wrote:

seems i had to disable the csm in the bios althouh the tutorial tells me to enable it.

Yes, i already posted that 2 days ago.

But you obviously stumpled over the windows driver installation.
That was my reason for posting the tutorial video links.
CSM (Compatibility Support Module) is for old addons, controller or GPUs without UEFI support.
Maybe in some other boards/bios versions it doesn't matter if it is on or not. It also can be, that CSM off is required just for the installation phase. Once you can select the Windows Boot Manager for loading the OS from the Raid, it maybe can be enabled without problems.
But disabled is faster anyway.

And i don't know which problems are coming up, if you want to add hardware which require CSM enabled...


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Asrock Fatal1ty X370 Professional Gaming Offline
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MSI X570_MEG_ACE | AMD Ryzen 9 3900X | Scythe Mugen5 | 2x16GB F4-3200C14D-32GTZ@3466 | ASUS GeForce GTX 1080 Ti FE


Posted By: deheugden
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2019 at 11:24pm
the problem is, that in the manual it tells me to enable the csm.
Strangest thing is that, after installing and updating W10, i am getting a blue screen and i need to start all over again.


Posted By: Ray62
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2019 at 2:32am
My suggestion:
Get another Samsung 970 EVO PLUS M.2 500GB, install that only on the first M2 slot, install the OS, updates and your applications, make tests regarding stability, etc.
After that do the setup of your RAID0 with the other SSDs in M2_2 and M2_3 and use it for data.

I never would install an OS on a RAID0 system!

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Asrock Fatal1ty X370 Professional Gaming Offline
Under test:
MSI X570_MEG_ACE | AMD Ryzen 9 3900X | Scythe Mugen5 | 2x16GB F4-3200C14D-32GTZ@3466 | ASUS GeForce GTX 1080 Ti FE



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