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Topic: Low performance for my PCIe SSD Intel 900P
Posted By: Nightlane
Subject: Low performance for my PCIe SSD Intel 900P
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2023 at 3:34pm
Please, help me find out what is happening with my system. Optane 900P seems to work at half speed, and the access times are worrisome: 0.04 - 0.05 instead of around 0.1.

My system: Ryzen 1700 with x370 Taichi motherboard. Windows 10.

Benchmarks:
https://preview.redd.it/xc9sv7xijrfa1.png?width=623&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=baf53cdd8314dc2135619238d5cae58d5d4a6a3c" rel="nofollow - https://preview.redd.it/xc9sv7xijrfa1.png?width=623&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=baf53cdd8314dc2135619238d5cae58d5d4a6a3c
https://preview.redd.it/oceaxwt3jrfa1.png?width=602&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=3c8d06dcf6095249ad64bdaaa00e91262ab9bf07" rel="nofollow - https://preview.redd.it/oceaxwt3jrfa1.png?width=602&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=3c8d06dcf6095249ad64bdaaa00e91262ab9bf07
https://preview.redd.it/3s7kw026jrfa1.png?width=704&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=6bc74be2cf98fa089f48157f1c5925b2897bc750" rel="nofollow - https://preview.redd.it/3s7kw026jrfa1.png?width=704&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=6bc74be2cf98fa089f48157f1c5925b2897bc750

Current 900P firmware, supposedly the latest? 2010603.

The PCI lanes:
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PCIE1 (PCIe 2.0 x1 slot) is used for PCI Express x1 lane width cards.

PCIE2 (PCIe 3.0 x16 slot) is used for PCI Express x16 lane width graphics cards.

PCIE3 (PCIe 3.0 x16 slot) is used for PCI Express x8 lane width graphics cards.

PCIE4 (PCIe 2.0 x1 slot) is used for PCI Express x1 lane width cards.

PCIE5 (PCIe 2.0 x16 slot) is used for PCI Express x4 lane width graphics cards.

* If PCIE5 slot is occupied, M2_2 will be disabled

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https://preview.redd.it/yn7z13i8ezfa1.png?width=1653&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=7e750a4da96820bb704e5601c7b96b64a4f67b9f" rel="nofollow - https://preview.redd.it/yn7z13i8ezfa1.png?width=1653&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=7e750a4da96820bb704e5601c7b96b64a4f67b9f


As far as I see, the PCIe5 seems to be the best place for this drive, as it has an x2 socket, but that PCIe5 seems to be shared between several devices.

Anyway, I tried to put the drive into the secondary GPU PCIe3, so I have both the GPU and the 900P with x8 lanes. Better bandwidth, but well, not better access times (and of course, it is limiting the GPU):
https://preview.redd.it/0370htw7ykga1.png?width=620&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=c41d52d7ff8bb48f14d695c67ef8ef0e70e20ae5" rel="nofollow - https://preview.redd.it/0370htw7ykga1.png?width=620&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=c41d52d7ff8bb48f14d695c67ef8ef0e70e20ae5
https://preview.redd.it/qi3c87t0zpga1.png?width=2560&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=aeccbe162b9f735c8ad1a96bb6e1ddca077f9661" rel="nofollow - https://preview.redd.it/qi3c87t0zpga1.png?width=2560&format=png&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=aeccbe162b9f735c8ad1a96bb6e1ddca077f9661


Please, Is this a limitation of this motherboard? or must I install some driver? I have already installed the latest intel drivers for my drive and tried other driver versions as well, but the problem persists.

Thank you



Replies:
Posted By: Nightlane
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2023 at 3:39pm
(why can't I edit my posts?)

Please, how can I fix all this?

The PCIe setup I had before moving the 900P:
PCIe1: empty
M2_1: the Samsung ssd
PCIe2: GPU
PCIe3: empty
PCIe4: sound card
PCIe5: 900P
M2_2: empty (and unusable with current setup)

Currently, with better bandwidth but the same access times and limited GPU:
PCIe1: empty
M2_1: the Samsung ssd
PCIe2: GPU
PCIe3: 900P
PCIe4: empty
PCIe5: sound card
M2_2: empty (and unusable with current setup)


Drivers? Maybe some type of M2 to PCIe adaptor?


Posted By: cx5
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2023 at 3:58pm
Hi @Nightlane

PCIe5: 900P is Gen2, not Gen3 and PCIe5 is going through x370promontory chipset then to CPU, latency highest.

PCIe3: 900P goes direct to CPU 8xLANEs but 4x is wasted not used. If you want to reduce latency then move it to PCIe2.

If you want even lower latency then buy a convertor M.2 riser to PCIe socket and plug the 900p into M.2_socket_1_riser_adaptor + 12V power mini molex thing. This is the original dedicated Gen3_pcie_4_lanes shortest direct to CPU.

GPU running 8xLANEs is not limited, especially if you plat 1440p or 4k they are always GPU bound. Even at 1080p, performance not lost may be just 1%, nothing to cry about.


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x370taichi@3.50gen4
AX750 Optane900P SN770
3800x PosdonZro4 BarrowPWM-17w>420x140x28
XFX SWFT319 6900XT
MSI RX560 LP to get Fluid Motion BlueskyFRC 75hz


Posted By: cx5
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2023 at 4:06pm
Hi @Nightlane

I used to have 1700x, nearly same as your 1700, it's not strong enough to push the 1080TI.

I ran 1700x with Vega64 and it's not enough to saturate PCIe_gen3_8xlanes. In fact 1700x was a perfect match for R9_290x.

You need 3700x or higher to push the 1080TI, may be Ryzen5000 would be perfect match. Certainly the 5800x3D can push the 1080TI to whole new height properly.

If you get the latest RX7900XTX or higher you will need the lastest Ryzen7000 series, best get the x3D, else the potentials of GPU are not fully utilized.

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x370taichi@3.50gen4
AX750 Optane900P SN770
3800x PosdonZro4 BarrowPWM-17w>420x140x28
XFX SWFT319 6900XT
MSI RX560 LP to get Fluid Motion BlueskyFRC 75hz


Posted By: Katana1074
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2023 at 5:23pm
Any particular reason why you are using the IntelĀ® Optane??Memory User Interface and Driver for System Acceleration 16.8.4.1011 ???

the correct driver for optane 900p is at: https://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/products/sku/123628/intel-optane-ssd-900p-series-280gb-12-height-pcie-x4-20nm-3d-xpoint/downloads.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/products/sku/123628/intel-optane-ssd-900p-series-280gb-12-height-pcie-x4-20nm-3d-xpoint/downloads.html

https://downloadmirror.intel.com/762952/SetupNVME.exe" rel="nofollow - https://downloadmirror.intel.com/762952/SetupNVME.exe

regards


Posted By: Nightlane
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2023 at 8:22pm
Originally posted by cx5 cx5 wrote:

Hi @Nightlane

PCIe5: 900P is Gen2, not Gen3 and PCIe5 is going through x370promontory chipset then to CPU, latency highest.

PCIe3: 900P goes direct to CPU 8xLANEs but 4x is wasted not used. If you want to reduce latency then move it to PCIe2.

If you want even lower latency then buy a convertor M.2 riser to PCIe socket and plug the 900p into M.2_socket_1_riser_adaptor + 12V power mini molex thing. This is the original dedicated Gen3_pcie_4_lanes shortest direct to CPU.

GPU running 8xLANEs is not limited, especially if you plat 1440p or 4k they are always GPU bound. Even at 1080p, performance not lost may be just 1%, nothing to cry about.

Thank you! Very insightful!

ok, so, I like the riser option :-). I suppose I should buy this type of thing, https://www.amazon.co.uk/MZHOU-V009S-PLUS-PCIE-Riser-Card-Black16x-NVME/dp/B09FPSC28Y/" rel="nofollow - https://www.amazon.co.uk/MZHOU-V009S-PLUS-PCIE-Riser-Card-Black16x-NVME/dp/B09FPSC28Y/

And I suppose that x70 taichi M2_1 will be more performant than M2_2, so I should plug the riser there and move the Samsung 970 pro to M2_2.

Please, Am I right?



About the option of swapping GPU and 900p, I suppose that the possible GPU performance loss is negligible. Right?




Posted By: Nightlane
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2023 at 8:24pm
Originally posted by Katana1074 Katana1074 wrote:

Any particular reason why you are using the IntelĀ® Optane??Memory User Interface and Driver for System Acceleration 16.8.4.1011 ???

the correct driver for optane 900p is at: https://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/products/sku/123628/intel-optane-ssd-900p-series-280gb-12-height-pcie-x4-20nm-3d-xpoint/downloads.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/products/sku/123628/intel-optane-ssd-900p-series-280gb-12-height-pcie-x4-20nm-3d-xpoint/downloads.html

https://downloadmirror.intel.com/762952/SetupNVME.exe" rel="nofollow - https://downloadmirror.intel.com/762952/SetupNVME.exe

regards

Star Citizen, and I am a nerd and a coder, hahaha

Thank you!

I checked that driver, and then the one you saw, and got +- the same performance. I will reinstall the recommended drivers again.


Posted By: Nightlane
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2023 at 8:26pm
Originally posted by cx5 cx5 wrote:

Hi @Nightlane

I used to have 1700x, nearly same as your 1700, it's not strong enough to push the 1080TI.

I ran 1700x with Vega64 and it's not enough to saturate PCIe_gen3_8xlanes. In fact 1700x was a perfect match for R9_290x.

You need 3700x or higher to push the 1080TI, may be Ryzen5000 would be perfect match. Certainly the 5800x3D can push the 1080TI to whole new height properly.

If you get the latest RX7900XTX or higher you will need the lastest Ryzen7000 series, best get the x3D, else the potentials of GPU are not fully utilized.

Thank you!

I am thinking about upgrading my CPU for one of those 5800X 3D, but later when the home economy is better and I can grab a good deal. Please, do you think I should replace the motherboard as well? Memory?


Posted By: Nightlane
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2023 at 8:47pm
Oh, yeah, and about the riser, I have to find a way to attach it to my computer case, a "Phanteks Enthoo EvolV silver"


Posted By: Katana1074
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2023 at 6:10am
Hi there I have an Intel 900p pcie ad in card they are pcie 3.0 based

here's a link to my asssd score if it helps any...

https://imgur.com/mmceU7V" rel="nofollow - https://imgur.com/mmceU7V


Posted By: Katana1074
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2023 at 6:18am
if you used slot PCIe5 you optane will be limited to pcie 2.0 speed....

You will probably be better off with your graphics card in slot PCIe2 and your optane 900p in slot PCIe3,this will give 8 pcie 3.0 lanes to you graphics card and 4 pcie 3.0 lanes to you optane 900p...

Hope this helps,

regards


Posted By: cx5
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2023 at 10:29am
Originally posted by Nightlane Nightlane wrote:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/MZHOU-V009S-PLUS-PCIE-Riser-Card-Black16x-NVME/dp/B09FPSC28Y/" rel="nofollow - https://www.amazon.co.uk/MZHOU-V009S-PLUS-PCIE-Riser-Card-Black16x-NVME/dp/B09FPSC28Y/



Hello @Nightlane,

M.2 socket 2 is gen2 only and through chipset x370promontory, slow and latency.

No, don't buy the MZHOU-V009S, the signal will go through USB3 port and latency will be very high. Also the cable too long latency high, signal lost, throughput drop. Motherboard vendor don't put M.2 right next to CPU for no reason!!!

Buy any of below combinations[1] or [2]single_item_most_convenient_but possible latency.

Pre-requisite for combinations[1], the RAM height will clash with Optane900p in riser position, hence need to buy 2nd riser to clear low heigh ram (example Corsair vengence no RGB), but still clash with high height ram (example GALAX HOF 3600).

combinations[1] = cheapest & shortest PCB trace, supposingly least latency, but no mounting, need custom make DIY. Buy a M.2convertPCIe4x_riser_item[1A] plus a extend height PCIe4x_to_PCIe4x_item[1B] =

item[1A] = costs US$ 1.5 in China
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32861465503.html
https://minerparts.com/product/pcie-4x-to-ngff-m-2-adapter-with-4-pin-power-cable/
https://www.ureach-estore.com/products/u-reach-m-2-nvme-to-pcie-adapter-m-2-m-key-to-pcie-4x

make sure can see all the PCB signal trace for full pcie 4x, not some cheap adaptor only 1x which has very few real signal trace on the PCB. Above 1st link can't see traces hence beware, 2nd and 3rd links are all full 4x traces.

item[1B] = costs US$ 1.0 in China
http://eshop.sintech.cn/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7_13&products_id=603

total PCB trace extended around 2 inches versus a direct M.2_SSD. Literally equivalent to optane900p installed in PCIe2slot.


[2]single_item = costs US$ 15 in China
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.13.2fa25e1cEeXfro&id=609335122412&ns=1&abbucket=9#detail

I think R42UF_4.0 and R42UL_4.0 would be perfect match. Get the shortest 5cm length, which adds a total 3 inches PCB trace, I suspect might loose out to optane900p install in PCIe2slot.

R42UF reversed the pcie socket, I think nearly impossible to fit the optane900p in case.

R42MF needs to flip the cable 180 degrees, then optane900p installed upside down..... don't like.

The only reason for doing all these is to retain PCIe3slot for 8xlane through convertor card for extra two M.2 full 4xGen3 etc direct to CPU. Can even hardware RAID two M.2 full 4xGen3 get 7000Mb/s theoretical read/write. https://www.amazon.com/Dual-Adapter-RIITOP-Support-22110/dp/B08P57G1JW

or get cheaper two M.2 and use software raid instead.

beware not to buy card of two sockets M.2 where one is SATA the other is NVMe. When it's too cheap is usually SATA + NVMe.

personally I want more airflow for GPU, hence I bought a single socket M.2 convert PCIe without bracket hence cannot mount to case for maximum airflow around = https://www.axagon.eu/en/produkty/pcem2-1u

The pcie slot is full 16x for strength rigidity because not mounting to case.

If use short 4x only pcie, worry the weight of SSD heatsink might sag it down in long term.

If [2]single_item using 15cm long cable although can nicely mount to side casing showoff but might be very high latency.

-------------
x370taichi@3.50gen4
AX750 Optane900P SN770
3800x PosdonZro4 BarrowPWM-17w>420x140x28
XFX SWFT319 6900XT
MSI RX560 LP to get Fluid Motion BlueskyFRC 75hz


Posted By: cx5
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2023 at 10:47am
Hi @Nightlane,

Me too, also am shopping for 5800x3D in used market.

Lisa SU said there will be life extention for AM4, hence I'm waiting to see what new surprises might come or NOT come ???

Hence I'm not changing motherbaord another year or two.

Regarding memory what are you running now? if possible please use zentiming software to screen capture all timings and voltages in order for us to make detailed reply whether to upgrade or not or overclock.

https://zentimings.protonrom.com/" rel="nofollow - https://zentimings.protonrom.com/

I'm running CMK32GX4M2B3000C15, XMP not compatible, hence using 1usmus dram calculator and am luck that it gives full set of timing overclockable to 3333mhz.

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x370taichi@3.50gen4
AX750 Optane900P SN770
3800x PosdonZro4 BarrowPWM-17w>420x140x28
XFX SWFT319 6900XT
MSI RX560 LP to get Fluid Motion BlueskyFRC 75hz


Posted By: Nightlane
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2023 at 6:50pm
Originally posted by Katana1074 Katana1074 wrote:

Hi there I have an Intel 900p pcie ad in card they are pcie 3.0 based

here's a link to my asssd score if it helps any...

https://imgur.com/mmceU7V" rel="nofollow - https://imgur.com/mmceU7V


Thank you, I am looking to have that type of performance.


Posted By: Nightlane
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2023 at 9:10pm
Originally posted by cx5 cx5 wrote:

Hi @Nightlane,
Regarding memory what are you running now? if possible please use zentiming software to screen capture all timings and voltages in order for us to make detailed reply whether to upgrade or not or overclock.

https://zentimings.protonrom.com/" rel="nofollow - https://zentimings.protonrom.com/

I'm running CMK32GX4M2B3000C15, XMP is not compatible, hence using 1usmus dram calculator and am luck that it gives full set of timing overclockable to 3333mhz.

I am running 4 x G. Skill F4-3200C14-8GFX for a total of 32GB. It should be this one: https://www.gskill.com/specification/165/170/1535961634/F4-3200C14D-16GFX-Specification

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1072857089107566663/image.png

But I have checked it out with the zemtiming as you suggested and seems bad:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1072856420913008660/image.png

Checking I have found 2 other interesting apps:
The dram calculator for ryzen:
Recommendations:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1072860037309005956/image.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1072860354692005968/image.png

Current benchmark:
https://discord.com/channels/125359661540048896/1072856367632760942/1072863024345518091


With thaiphoon I checked that my memory chips are done by samsung. And I could not do capture as it crashed and it does not run anymore. I suppose I have to restart the computer.
I think I can overclock both the CPU and the memory without too much problems (I hope, haha)


Posted By: Nightlane
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2023 at 10:25pm
Originally posted by cx5 cx5 wrote:

Originally posted by Nightlane Nightlane wrote:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/MZHOU-V009S-PLUS-PCIE-Riser-Card-Black16x-NVME/dp/B09FPSC28Y/" rel="nofollow - https://www.amazon.co.uk/MZHOU-V009S-PLUS-PCIE-Riser-Card-Black16x-NVME/dp/B09FPSC28Y/



Hello @Nightlane,

M.2 socket 2 is gen2 only and through chipset x370promontory, slow and latency.

No, don't buy the MZHOU-V009S, the signal will go through USB3 port and latency will be very high. Also the cable too long latency high, signal lost, throughput drop. Motherboard vendor don't put M.2 right next to CPU for no reason!!!

Buy any of below combinations[1] or [2]single_item_most_convenient_but possible latency.

Pre-requisite for combinations[1], the RAM height will clash with Optane900p in riser position, hence need to buy 2nd riser to clear low heigh ram (example Corsair vengence no RGB), but still clash with high height ram (example GALAX HOF 3600).

combinations[1] = cheapest & shortest PCB trace, supposingly least latency, but no mounting, need custom make DIY. Buy a M.2convertPCIe4x_riser_item[1A] plus a extend height PCIe4x_to_PCIe4x_item[1B] =

item[1A] = costs US$ 1.5 in China
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32861465503.html
https://minerparts.com/product/pcie-4x-to-ngff-m-2-adapter-with-4-pin-power-cable/
https://www.ureach-estore.com/products/u-reach-m-2-nvme-to-pcie-adapter-m-2-m-key-to-pcie-4x

make sure can see all the PCB signal trace for full pcie 4x, not some cheap adaptor only 1x which has very few real signal trace on the PCB. Above 1st link can't see traces hence beware, 2nd and 3rd links are all full 4x traces.

item[1B] = costs US$ 1.0 in China
http://eshop.sintech.cn/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7_13&products_id=603

total PCB trace extended around 2 inches versus a direct M.2_SSD. Literally equivalent to optane900p installed in PCIe2slot.


[2]single_item = costs US$ 15 in China
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.13.2fa25e1cEeXfro&id=609335122412&ns=1&abbucket=9#detail

I think R42UF_4.0 and R42UL_4.0 would be perfect match. Get the shortest 5cm length, which adds a total 3 inches PCB trace, I suspect might loose out to optane900p install in PCIe2slot.

R42UF reversed the pcie socket, I think nearly impossible to fit the optane900p in case.

R42MF needs to flip the cable 180 degrees, then optane900p installed upside down..... don't like.

The only reason for doing all these is to retain PCIe3slot for 8xlane through convertor card for extra two M.2 full 4xGen3 etc direct to CPU. Can even hardware RAID two M.2 full 4xGen3 get 7000Mb/s theoretical read/write. https://www.amazon.com/Dual-Adapter-RIITOP-Support-22110/dp/B08P57G1JW

or get cheaper two M.2 and use software raid instead.

beware not to buy card of two sockets M.2 where one is SATA the other is NVMe. When it's too cheap is usually SATA + NVMe.

personally I want more airflow for GPU, hence I bought a single socket M.2 convert PCIe without bracket hence cannot mount to case for maximum airflow around = https://www.axagon.eu/en/produkty/pcem2-1u

The pcie slot is full 16x for strength rigidity because not mounting to case.

If use short 4x only pcie, worry the weight of SSD heatsink might sag it down in long term.

If [2]single_item using 15cm long cable although can nicely mount to side casing showoff but might be very high latency.

Wow, thank you!!!

ok, I am analyzing all the combinations...

First, the M2 converter, I see that many come with the data cable connector as a power input. Can this cause problems or something? I have read about limited Amps there, etc.

well, I guess I will have to get that pcie extension... the next two photos are part of my computer insides (I like colors :-p ):
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1072872144666628126/IMG20230208142940.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1072872144997990461/IMG20230208142948.jpg

On amazon (because of the 24h delivery) I only find the 20cm cable ones like this: https://www.amazon.es/alargador-PCI-Express-hembra-Extender-Graphics/dp/B08R384PNQ or this: https://www.amazon.es/extensi%C3%B3n-PCI-Express-elevador-adaptador-tarjeta/dp/B08R37CGBB or maybe this one (same vendor, ut the PCB connections are visible :-) https://www.amazon.es/MZHOU-Adaptador-Express-Compatible-Windows/dp/B09C1BK164



But, how can I fix the 900p drive safely so it does not move? hmmm... maybe use one of those PCIE cable extensors so I can try to immobilize it in a different wat? hmmmm... looking for my plastic cable wrappers...





R42UF_4.0 and R42UL_4.0 are nice, bue... waiting a month for them to arrive!!!

My next computer case will be an open one, maybe 3d printed :-p OMG... hahah


Posted By: Nightlane
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2023 at 8:05am
ok! I finally found this beauty:
https://www.amazon.es/dp/B08C7YBRFC" rel="nofollow - https://www.amazon.es/dp/B08C7YBRFC

Thank you!

I will check it out as soon as it arrives :-)


Posted By: cx5
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2023 at 9:26am
Originally posted by Nightlane Nightlane wrote:


Wow, thank you!!!

First, the M2 converter, I see that many come with the data cable connector as a power input. Can this cause problems or something? I have read about limited Amps there, etc.
=or maybe this one (same vendor, ut the PCB connections are visible :-) https://www.amazon.es/MZHOU-Adaptador-Express-Compatible-Windows/dp/B09C1BK164" rel="nofollow - https://www.amazon.es/MZHOU-Adaptador-Express-Compatible-Windows/dp/B09C1BK164


https://www.amazon.es/extensi%C3%B3n-PCI-Express-elevador-adaptador-tarjeta/dp/B08R37CGBB" rel="nofollow - https://www.amazon.es/extensi%C3%B3n-PCI-Express-elevador-adaptador-tarjeta/dp/B08R37CGBB



You're welcome !!!

the M2 convertor extra socket is actually real POWER, not signal, hence no limited amperes problem. It's the same type of power for SATA HDD SSD, signal socket are smaller than power socket.

All of your new shopping links are correct and usable hence no need comment from me, except one is wrong, hence I quote the link above, it's problem is pcie 1x lane only, not full 4x lane, see the socket is very short missing many pins.

As for the 20cm cable extention, it will cause high latency, if you want maximum performance, not recommend to use long cables, keep as short as possible for lowest latency. Take reference from motherboard's original pcie lanes PCB trace, if extention cable longer than motherboard then use motherboard instead like now pcie3slot is OK. 20cm cable performance will loose benchmark to pcie3slot.

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x370taichi@3.50gen4
AX750 Optane900P SN770
3800x PosdonZro4 BarrowPWM-17w>420x140x28
XFX SWFT319 6900XT
MSI RX560 LP to get Fluid Motion BlueskyFRC 75hz


Posted By: cx5
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2023 at 9:54am
Originally posted by Nightlane Nightlane wrote:


I am running 4 x G. Skill F4-3200C14-8GFX for a total of 32GB. It should be this one: https://www.gskill.com/specification/165/170/1535961634/F4-3200C14D-16GFX-Specification" rel="nofollow - https://www.gskill.com/specification/165/170/1535961634/F4-3200C14D-16GFX-Specification

But I have checked it out with the zemtiming as you suggested and seems bad:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1072856420913008660/image.png" rel="nofollow - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1072856420913008660/image.png


Option-1
You need to turn ON the XMP profile in uefi bios in order to ma full use of the 3200MT/s MegaTransfer/second, running at 1600Mhz seen in bios and soft and zentiming etc. If it crash, means it's not compatible with taichi & cpu.

Option-2
You can try to manually key in all the parameters from 1usmus's calculator and pray that it works. (missing tRFC2 and tRFC4 need to use "Additional calculators" to manually get it) where you need to key in nanosecond "ns" and the targeted MT/s and match it to main page's tRFC [416 in your case] finally copy down new found value of tRFC2 and tRFC4. Sorry my bad English & grammer.


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Regardless of all Options, must use the following voltages.
vddr_soc 1.1v
cldo_vddp 1.0v (this is not the regular simple vddp of 0.92v) infinity fabric voltage
VDDG_CCD 1.1v (I'm not sure if zen1 has this or not)
VDDG_IOD 1.1v (I'm not sure if zen1 has this or not) CPU's memory controller voltage
boost Dram voltage to 1.37v or 1.38v because taichi suffers voltage drop from factory.


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Many pre-requisites, Ryzen 1000 series zen1 like your 1700 is only officially certified for memory to 2666mhz "AND" the more ram sticks are used the lower the official certified speed. See https://images.anandtech.com/doci/11170/AMD%20Ryzen%207%20Press%20Deck-18_575px.jpg" rel="nofollow - https://images.anandtech.com/doci/11170/AMD%20Ryzen%207%20Press%20Deck-18_575px.jpg

But many zen1 users manages to run 3000MT/s and 3200MT/s while some luckier manages 3466MT/s and even 3600MT/s

My 1700x was not lucky, it max out at 3133MT/s stable 24/7, although can run 3200MT/s but will crash more and more crash as days goes by.


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Hence if XMP gives you crashes, then reduce the speed to 3000MT/s can try.


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what bios version are you using? recommend upgrade to the maximum 7.3 or something, even if you use zen1 only. Many improvements.


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Stability memory test, use 1usmus membench EASY 6000MB. If OK then play some games test. Sometimes mem test OK but game crash, means either need more voltages or somet timing needs changing, usually tRC and tRAS both +2 should be just nice.


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too much to write, I'll stop here. Good luck, hope to see you run 3200MT/s if not at least 3000MT/s


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change the MANUAL to A0/B0 PCB revision in 1usmus calculator.

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3800x PosdonZro4 BarrowPWM-17w>420x140x28
XFX SWFT319 6900XT
MSI RX560 LP to get Fluid Motion BlueskyFRC 75hz


Posted By: cx5
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2023 at 10:56am
Originally posted by Nightlane Nightlane wrote:


About the option of swapping GPU and 900p, I suppose that the possible GPU performance loss is negligible. Right?


Yes, you are correct, NO GPU performance lost. I used to run my Vega64 at pcie3slot because I don't game all the time, instead the Optane900p is used all the time for everything hence it is in pcie2slot for shortest latency as well as for convenient mounting to casing and good looking instead of M.2convertRISER. But I am running M.2convertRISER again now as of writing.

Yes, swap your optane900p to pcie2slot and GPU to pcie3slot, because your GPU is full 3 slot thick, the optane900p is blocking the GPU FAN.

Also, add a "stick" of somekind to push up the GPU not let it sag down to avoid GPU's PCB break broken (seen some in youtube). I use a Chinese takeway chopstick and cut to required height and hide behind the liquid pump, haha.

My rig picture, once upon a time, https://www.overclock.net/showcase/2017-hk-3rd-system-ryzen.142934/" rel="nofollow - https://www.overclock.net/showcase/2017-hk-3rd-system-ryzen.142934/


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AX750 Optane900P SN770
3800x PosdonZro4 BarrowPWM-17w>420x140x28
XFX SWFT319 6900XT
MSI RX560 LP to get Fluid Motion BlueskyFRC 75hz


Posted By: cx5
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2023 at 11:12am
Originally posted by Nightlane Nightlane wrote:

   Please, do you think I should replace the motherboard as well? Memory?


Now that I see your ram is G. Skill F4-3200C14-8GFX and your CPU is 1700, then the answer is NO, because they are perfect match and you have 32GB which is too much already.

My current Zen2 3800x max out at 3733MT/s=1866Mhz. It again did not achieve other users success of 3800MT/s=1900Mhz, again I said, because many other zen1 uses achieved 3200MT/s or more but my 1700x only got 3133MT/s.

Anyway the sweat spot for zen2 is 3600MT/s, but because I want to use M.2riser_+_shortHEIGHT extention, hence am running my corsair limited to 3333MT/s with 3800x.

I seriously think if you get zen2 or zen3, your existing ram 3200MT/s can be easily overclocked to 3466MT/s or more..... hence another no need to upgrade ram to begin with...........

Unless you itch to buy, like me, jumping from corsair3000 to GALAX3600, but the performance gain cannot be felt when in game :( ...... performance gain only felt when booting PC in first few days or swap, plus some heavy ZIP compression decompression

Overall is not major WHOOAAA for me......

But CPU upgrade from zen1 to zen2 is significant, felt even after 3 years later. If you jump to zen3 I think is GODMODE good feeling. Ram upgrade ........ becomes no feeling.

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x370taichi@3.50gen4
AX750 Optane900P SN770
3800x PosdonZro4 BarrowPWM-17w>420x140x28
XFX SWFT319 6900XT
MSI RX560 LP to get Fluid Motion BlueskyFRC 75hz


Posted By: Nightlane
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2023 at 9:33pm
Originally posted by cx5 cx5 wrote:


You're welcome !!!

the M2 convertor extra socket is actually real POWER, not signal, hence no limited amperes problem. It's the same type of power for SATA HDD SSD, signal socket are smaller than power socket.

All of your new shopping links are correct and usable hence no need comment from me, except one is wrong, hence I quote the link above, it's problem is pcie 1x lane only, not full 4x lane, see the socket is very short missing many pins.

As for the 20cm cable extention, it will cause high latency, if you want maximum performance, not recommend to use long cables, keep as short as possible for lowest latency. Take reference from motherboard's original pcie lanes PCB trace, if extention cable longer than motherboard then use motherboard instead like now pcie3slot is OK. 20cm cable performance will loose benchmark to pcie3slot.


ouch, I had already ordered https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B08C7YBRFC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1" rel="nofollow - https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B08C7YBRFC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

then I will cancel the order or return it.

If it a cable, how long can it be?


How is it compared it on PCIe2 vs M2 adaptor + short riser?

Thank you again! :-)


Posted By: Nightlane
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2023 at 10:47pm
I think I will purchase this:
https://www.amazon.es/Socobeta-Extender-Express-Adapter-Pizarra/dp/B08PKXTFK3

and add https://www.amazon.es/Cablecc-Adaptador-PCI-Tarjetas-Conector/dp/B0836GLB5S.

Then fix all that + the hard drive with this, I suppose: https://arcashop.es/14817-medium_default/brida-abrazadera-plastico-para-electricidad-fontaneria-y-jardineria.jpg

And then I hope t can go over the memory sticks...

Originally posted by cx5 cx5 wrote:


Option-1
You need to turn ON the XMP profile in uefi bios in order to ma full use of the 3200MT/s MegaTransfer/second, running at 1600Mhz seen in bios and soft and zentiming etc. If it crash, means it's not compatible with taichi & cpu.

Option-2
You can try to manually key in all the parameters from 1usmus's calculator and pray that it works. (missing tRFC2 and tRFC4 need to use "Additional calculators" to manually get it) where you need to key in nanosecond "ns" and the targeted MT/s and match it to main page's tRFC [416 in your case] finally copy down new found value of tRFC2 and tRFC4. Sorry my bad English & grammar.

I will try! I think I had already the XMP profile but it seems it is not working.
Originally posted by cx5 cx5 wrote:



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Regardless of all Options, must use the following voltages.
vddr_soc 1.1v
cldo_vddp 1.0v (this is not the regular simple vddp of 0.92v) infinity fabric voltage
VDDG_CCD 1.1v (I'm not sure if zen1 has this or not)
VDDG_IOD 1.1v (I'm not sure if zen1 has this or not) CPU's memory controller voltage
boost Dram voltage to 1.37v or 1.38v because taichi suffers voltage drop from factory.


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Many pre-requisites, Ryzen 1000 series zen1 like your 1700 is only officially certified for memory to 2666mhz "AND" the more ram sticks are used the lower the official certified speed. See https://images.anandtech.com/doci/11170/AMD%20Ryzen%207%20Press%20Deck-18_575px.jpg" rel="nofollow - https://images.anandtech.com/doci/11170/AMD%20Ryzen%207%20Press%20Deck-18_575px.jpg

But many zen1 users manages to run 3000MT/s and 3200MT/s while some luckier manages 3466MT/s and even 3600MT/s

My 1700x was not lucky, it max out at 3133MT/s stable 24/7, although can run 3200MT/s but will crash more and more crash as days goes by.


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Hence if XMP gives you crashes, then reduce the speed to 3000MT/s can try.


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what bios version are you using? recommend upgrade to the maximum 7.3 or something, even if you use zen1 only. Many improvements.


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Stability memory test, use 1usmus membench EASY 6000MB. If OK then play some games test. Sometimes mem test OK but game crash, means either need more voltages or somet timing needs changing, usually tRC and tRAS both +2 should be just nice.


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too much to write, I'll stop here. Good luck, hope to see you run 3200MT/s if not at least 3000MT/s


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change the MANUAL to A0/B0 PCB revision in 1usmus calculator.


TY! I will try all those things!!!!!!


Posted By: cx5
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2023 at 11:03am
Originally posted by Nightlane Nightlane wrote:


{1} If it a cable, how long can it be?


{2} How is it compared it on PCIe2 vs M2 adaptor + short riser?

Thank you again! :-)



{answer for 1}As short as you can get by for best performance.

{answer for 2}M2adaptor+short_riser should be slightly tiny better than PCIe2 but not much, nearly equivalent. Only truly better than PCIe3.

The whole point of using M2adaptor is to convert PCIe2 or PCIe3 8xlanes into two M.2 sockets get full speed Gen3.

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You know sometimes in games where there is a split second pauses, like jerking temporarily, usually after completing a zone and moving into next zone, usually loads new assets, even Optane900p in PCIe3 suffers, only at PCIe2 or M2adaptor nearly no jerking.

I've been testing many configurations, currently Optane900p in M2adaptor runing OS and primary game launcher like steam, ubisoft, then SN770 1TB in PCIe3 using adaptor card, this gives lest jerking vs. Optane900p in PCIe3 and SN770 in M.2socket1.

Next try will be to move GPU to PCIe3 then SN770 to PCIe2.

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x370taichi@3.50gen4
AX750 Optane900P SN770
3800x PosdonZro4 BarrowPWM-17w>420x140x28
XFX SWFT319 6900XT
MSI RX560 LP to get Fluid Motion BlueskyFRC 75hz


Posted By: cx5
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2023 at 11:06am
Originally posted by Nightlane Nightlane wrote:

I think I will purchase this:
https://www.amazon.es/Socobeta-Extender-Express-Adapter-Pizarra/dp/B08PKXTFK3" rel="nofollow - https://www.amazon.es/Socobeta-Extender-Express-Adapter-Pizarra/dp/B08PKXTFK3

and add https://www.amazon.es/Cablecc-Adaptador-PCI-Tarjetas-Conector/dp/B0836GLB5S" rel="nofollow - https://www.amazon.es/Cablecc-Adaptador-PCI-Tarjetas-Conector/dp/B0836GLB5S .

Then fix all that + the hard drive with this, I suppose: https://arcashop.es/14817-medium_default/brida-abrazadera-plastico-para-electricidad-fontaneria-y-jardineria.jpg" rel="nofollow - https://arcashop.es/14817-medium_default/brida-abrazadera-plastico-para-electricidad-fontaneria-y-jardineria.jpg

And then I hope t can go over the memory sticks...



The 1st link is OK good buy.

The 2nd link is too long, will clash with ram for space, can't clear the ram height. Must get just PCIe4x length to clear ram.

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x370taichi@3.50gen4
AX750 Optane900P SN770
3800x PosdonZro4 BarrowPWM-17w>420x140x28
XFX SWFT319 6900XT
MSI RX560 LP to get Fluid Motion BlueskyFRC 75hz


Posted By: Nightlane
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2023 at 5:37pm
Originally posted by cx5 cx5 wrote:


The 1st link is OK good buy.

The 2nd link is too long, will clash with ram for space, can't clear the ram height. Must get just PCIe4x length to clear ram.

ouch!

hmm, what about just cutting it down? :-)



Posted By: Nightlane
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2023 at 5:57pm
Originally posted by cx5 cx5 wrote:




{answer for 1}As short as you can get by for best performance.

{answer for 2}M2adaptor+short_riser should be slightly tiny better than PCIe2 but not much, nearly equivalent. Only truly better than PCIe3.

The whole point of using M2adaptor is to convert PCIe2 or PCIe3 8xlanes into two M.2 sockets get full speed Gen3.

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You know sometimes in games where there is a split second pauses, like jerking temporarily, usually after completing a zone and moving into next zone, usually loads new assets, even Optane900p in PCIe3 suffers, only at PCIe2 or M2adaptor nearly no jerking.

I've been testing many configurations, currently Optane900p in M2adaptor runing OS and primary game launcher like steam, ubisoft, then SN770 1TB in PCIe3 using adaptor card, this gives lest jerking vs. Optane900p in PCIe3 and SN770 in M.2socket1.

Next try will be to move GPU to PCIe3 then SN770 to PCIe2.


Wow, thank you again! :-)

ok, so a good option is just PCIe2 as well, because the GPU is fine at PCIe3.

Wow, that SN770 seems to be a beast... seems like being much easier just grabbing one and putting it on the M2_1 :-p or one of the newer SN8xxx. It is more money, from 40 to 130 or 180?? but it brings +1 or +2TB as well... space is always needed :-p hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

hmmm, I am looking and, while it sais in some places that the Samsung ssds are faster in random reads, other places (including a reddid thread) tell that it is the intel.

So I am very curious about that testing of you :-)

And about, all the lanes going down the motherboard, so being farther away and so with higher latencies... is something that new tech mitigates somehow?


Posted By: Nightlane
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2023 at 6:05pm
Originally posted by cx5 cx5 wrote:


The 2nd link is too long, will clash with ram for space, can't clear the ram height. Must get just PCIe4x length to clear ram.

hmmm, Another idea... I have seen that both the riser and the 900p (or any other pci-e card) have those holes to screw the cover in that is screwed as well to the back of the case. I suppose that those holes could be used to, with a plain "stick" with holes, "fasten"the riser to the 900P instead of using ties or cable wraps.

And about what you said about a support for the GPU... it is true that it is something that always annoyed me, even when a person in the shop where I purchased the PC told me not to be worried about... (and taichi mobo have reinforced connectors). I was thinking about just to tie it up in some way to the upper part of the case, but the "stick" idea is pretty good as well.

To improve your idea, the "stick" could be a 3d printed thing... that way it could be even be screwed to the case to it does not move around. If you like it fancy, you could print it in a transparent material and even put some less somewhere...


Posted By: Nightlane
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2023 at 6:08pm
by the way, GPUs should dome with a hole or something to facilitate this type of things...


Posted By: Nightlane
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2023 at 10:07pm
Originally posted by cx5 cx5 wrote:


The 1st link is OK good buy.

The 2nd link is too long, will clash with ram for space, can't clear the ram height. Must get just PCIe4x length to clear ram.


ok, I have updated the bios and the memory seems to go much better!

I have still to apply the 1.1v, etc...


Posted By: Nightlane
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2023 at 10:09pm
Originally posted by cx5 cx5 wrote:


The 1st link is OK good buy.

The 2nd link is too long, will clash with ram for space, can't clear the ram height. Must get just PCIe4x length to clear ram.


memory calculator...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1073586561360330803/image.png" rel="nofollow - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1073586561360330803/image.png

the zenmanager data...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1073604709274894446/image.png" rel="nofollow - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1073604709274894446/image.png


Posted By: Nightlane
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2023 at 2:07am
how do you know the right value for the tRfc?

zen says 350, while the dram calculator says otherwise.


BTW, I have already installed the 900P into M2_1, while the Samsung disk is on the M2_2. I had to cut a bit of the pcie 4x to 16x conversor, just the final board ending "L".

Samsung, from: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1073661641528443033/kkkkk_2_-_despues_miniport_y_blabla_SetupNVME.exe_-_as-ssd-bench_Samsung_SSD_970_01.02.2023_13-59-02.png" rel="nofollow - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1073661641528443033/kkkkk_2_-_despues_miniport_y_blabla_SetupNVME.exe_-_as-ssd-bench_Samsung_SSD_970_01.02.2023_13-59-02.png
to: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1073661672062992484/image.png" rel="nofollow - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1073661672062992484/image.png
900p from: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1073661945921683616/4_-_tras_pasarlo_a_ranura_PCIE_x8_compartido_con_GPU.png" rel="nofollow - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1073661945921683616/4_-_tras_pasarlo_a_ranura_PCIE_x8_compartido_con_GPU.png
to: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1073662027945496616/image.png" rel="nofollow - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1073662027945496616/image.png
900 (crystalclear) from: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/125359661540048896/1073589461880938546/image.png" rel="nofollow - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/125359661540048896/1073589461880938546/image.png
to: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1073665198466023504/image.png" rel="nofollow - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1073665198466023504/image.png

what do you think...
the access time is not better nor worse, the 900p now have much higher random writing speed... not sure if all this mess is worth it.

So, why is it not better? maybe because of the CPU or motherboard? drivers?


Posted By: cx5
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2023 at 9:13am
Originally posted by Katana1074 Katana1074 wrote:

Hi there I have an Intel 900p pcie ad in card they are pcie 3.0 based

here's a link to my asssd score if it helps any...

https://imgur.com/mmceU7V" rel="nofollow - https://imgur.com/mmceU7V


Hi @Katana1074 , Thanks for sharing your Optane900p benchmark, can you also let us know what other hardware it was running? CPU? ram? or anything you'd think that would be related?

@Nightlane
I recall my benchmark also 6000+ score in AS SSD benchmark, especially remember was the read is obviously higher than write, rounded values for easy rememberance, my read was no more than 2500MB/s and write was around 2000MB/s. My access time was around the 0.01x millisecond, I need to go home dig out some old records or else redo a benchmark to see. Please wait. I had 1700x then to 3800x, then ram from 1500Mhz to 1800Mhz, I'd think the cpu1700x+ram1500Mhz benchmark of Optane900p would loose a bit to 3800x+ram1800Mhz.

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AX750 Optane900P SN770
3800x PosdonZro4 BarrowPWM-17w>420x140x28
XFX SWFT319 6900XT
MSI RX560 LP to get Fluid Motion BlueskyFRC 75hz


Posted By: cx5
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2023 at 9:19am
Originally posted by Nightlane Nightlane wrote:


memory calculator...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1073586561360330803/image.png" rel="nofollow - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1073586561360330803/image.png

congratulations, your XMP is obviously working now, you've got your money's worth.



If you itch to overclock the timing then try using 1usmus's dram calculator suggested value, it might work, it might not work. They are suggestions only, never take them as absolute. Sometimes manually increase 1usmus's suggested value +2 on tRC and tRAS solves some problems [experiences of many users].
Originally posted by Nightlane Nightlane wrote:


the zenmanager data...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1073604709274894446/image.png" rel="nofollow - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1073604709274894446/image.png


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x370taichi@3.50gen4
AX750 Optane900P SN770
3800x PosdonZro4 BarrowPWM-17w>420x140x28
XFX SWFT319 6900XT
MSI RX560 LP to get Fluid Motion BlueskyFRC 75hz


Posted By: cx5
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2023 at 9:32am
Originally posted by Nightlane Nightlane wrote:

how do you know the right value for the tRfc?
zen says 350, while the dram calculator says otherwise.


From your zentiming 1.2.9
the 350 is ns = nanosecond, we cannot key in this to bios.

while the tRFC=560 is timing cycle, I suspect this is from your ram's original XMP parameters. We can key this into bios. As well as tRFC2 and tRFC4.

Dram Calculator 1.7.3 is suggesting tRFC=416 for you. There's a lot other parameters, so you have to look at them patiently and carefully to catch their difference, and read my prvious post about using the "additional calculators" to get tRFC2 and tRFC4, because it is not provided in main page.

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x370taichi@3.50gen4
AX750 Optane900P SN770
3800x PosdonZro4 BarrowPWM-17w>420x140x28
XFX SWFT319 6900XT
MSI RX560 LP to get Fluid Motion BlueskyFRC 75hz


Posted By: cx5
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2023 at 9:44am
Originally posted by Nightlane Nightlane wrote:

while the Samsung disk is on the M2_2.
900p from: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1073661945921683616/4_-_tras_pasarlo_a_ranura_PCIE_x8_compartido_con_GPU.png" rel="nofollow - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1073661945921683616/4_-_tras_pasarlo_a_ranura_PCIE_x8_compartido_con_GPU.png
to: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1073662027945496616/image.png" rel="nofollow - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1073662027945496616/image.png

what do you think...
the access time is not better nor worse, the 900p now have much higher random writing speed... not sure if all this mess is worth it.

So, why is it not better? maybe because of the CPU or motherboard? drivers?


Good job cutting the end L to clear the ram !!!

M2_2 is gen2 speed, obviously speed will drop. It's expected.

regarding 900p access, please try a few more days, make sure all connectors are good and tight etc, try not to cross power cables over signal PCB traces [interference] (easier said than done, I know....)

A final setup that you've not yet tried/use is put 900p in pcie2 and GPU in pcie3 without the samsung970 at all. This to elimiate the possibility of M.2adaptor bad quality or the pcie male to pcie female riser bad quality or interferance from too many power cables flying around or components etc.


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x370taichi@3.50gen4
AX750 Optane900P SN770
3800x PosdonZro4 BarrowPWM-17w>420x140x28
XFX SWFT319 6900XT
MSI RX560 LP to get Fluid Motion BlueskyFRC 75hz


Posted By: Katana1074
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2023 at 6:24pm
Originally posted by cx5 cx5 wrote:

Originally posted by Katana1074 Katana1074 wrote:

Hi there I have an Intel 900p pcie ad in card they are pcie 3.0 based

here's a link to my asssd score if it helps any...

https://imgur.com/mmceU7V" rel="nofollow - https://imgur.com/mmceU7V


Hi @Katana1074 , Thanks for sharing your Optane900p benchmark, can you also let us know what other hardware it was running? CPU? ram? or anything you'd think that would be related?

@Nightlane
I recall my benchmark also 6000+ score in AS SSD benchmark, especially remember was the read is obviously higher than write, rounded values for easy rememberance, my read was no more than 2500MB/s and write was around 2000MB/s. My access time was around the 0.01x millisecond, I need to go home dig out some old records or else redo a benchmark to see. Please wait. I had 1700x then to 3800x, then ram from 1500Mhz to 1800Mhz, I'd think the cpu1700x+ram1500Mhz benchmark of Optane900p would loose a bit to 3800x+ram1800Mhz.


specs are now in my signature regards

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CPU: RYZEN 7950x | Motherboard: ASROCK X670E TAICHI | GPU: MSI RTX4090 LIQUID X 24GB | RAM: FURY X DDR5 C40 | Hard Drive: INTEL OPTANE 900P 480GB,1 x SAMSUNG 980 PRO 2TB,2 X ADATA S8200X 2TB


Posted By: cx5
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2023 at 8:16pm
hohoho nice rig @Katana1074, thanks for spec !!!! I think that's why your results are best amongst 3 of us.

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x370taichi@3.50gen4
AX750 Optane900P SN770
3800x PosdonZro4 BarrowPWM-17w>420x140x28
XFX SWFT319 6900XT
MSI RX560 LP to get Fluid Motion BlueskyFRC 75hz


Posted By: cx5
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2023 at 9:44pm
My optane900p worst score is using pcie5(gen2 through x370promontory chipset).

Pay attention to 4k-64thread is the key bottleneck performance lost.

old CPU 1700x from 2017
      access           4k-64thrd           Score
      read    write    read      write       
pcie5 0.153ms 0.044ms 277MB/s   529MB/s   1279

pcie3 0.022ms 0.037ms 2211MB/s 806MB/s   5044 with optane driver could be this bad too
pcie3 0.022ms 0.037ms 2277MB/s 821MB/s   5164 without optane driver, using microsoft nvme driver
pcie3 0.022ms 0.037ms 2869MB/s 796MB/s   6038 without optane driver, using microsoft nvme driver



*Upgraded cpu 3800x @ 2020
*benchmark @ 2021-sept-2nd manual bios gen3pcie2 gen2m.2_1empty
*may have overclocked the CPU to get good scores.
Ram is GALAX HOF 3600MT/s 1800Mhz original XMP
      access           4k-64thrd           Score
      read    write    read      write       
pcie2 0.016ms 0.024ms 2432MB/s 1976MB/s 6675

m.2_1 0.018ms 0.026ms 2322MB/s 967MB/s   5550 2023-feb-13 optane driver plus firmware update to 2010603 defrag optimized
adaptors/convertors
ram @ 3333MT/s ram @ 1666Mhz Corsair CMK32GX4M2B3000C15 not using Galax HOF

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x370taichi@3.50gen4
AX750 Optane900P SN770
3800x PosdonZro4 BarrowPWM-17w>420x140x28
XFX SWFT319 6900XT
MSI RX560 LP to get Fluid Motion BlueskyFRC 75hz


Posted By: cx5
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2023 at 12:12am
I retried cheap thin grey color 15cm long cable + socket length = 20cm extension cable, lost sequential read nearly 1000MB/s and write 500MB/s

      access           4k-64thrd           Score
      read    write    read      write       
20cm 0.018ms 0.026ms 1580MB/s 1042MB/s 4336

may be expensive thick cable works ??? i.e. CAT5 cables looses out to CAT7 cables only at very long runs, like in this case was supposed to be 5cm direct to CPU because 25cm and extra sockets sockets connection not perfect.

no amount of overclock can recover the lost of long signal cables in this case high speed bitrate sensitive data.

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x370taichi@3.50gen4
AX750 Optane900P SN770
3800x PosdonZro4 BarrowPWM-17w>420x140x28
XFX SWFT319 6900XT
MSI RX560 LP to get Fluid Motion BlueskyFRC 75hz


Posted By: Nightlane
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2023 at 10:33pm
Originally posted by cx5 cx5 wrote:


congratulations, your XMP is obviously working now, you've got your money's worth.



If you itch to overclock the timing then try using 1usmus's dram calculator suggested value, it might work, it might not work. They are suggestions only, never take them as absolute. Sometimes manually increase 1usmus's suggested value +2 on tRC and tRAS solves some problems [experiences of many users].


Some days ago I tried the "fast" preset and the computer did not boot. I am not sure if I have to add those +2 to tRC and tRAS or if I did something wrong. Or maybe some more V?

As if the system does not boot you can not access the bios, squeezing some more power out of the ram seems like a long task.

What do you thing about trying to go for 3600 with a common profile? hmm


Posted By: cx5
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2023 at 1:39pm
Originally posted by Nightlane Nightlane wrote:

Some days ago I tried the "fast" preset and the computer did not boot. I am not sure if I have to add those +2 to tRC and tRAS or if I did something wrong. Or maybe some more V?

As if the system does not boot you can not access the bios, squeezing some more power out of the ram seems like a long task.

What do you thing about trying to go for 3600 with a common profile? hmm


1.45v for dram is recommended for FAST_1usmus, taichi suffers voltage lost hence need more than 1usmus's calculator.

make sure
vddr_soc 1.1v or 1.15v or 1.2v max (although I also tried 1.3v on 1700x for one week).
cldo_vddp 1.0v (this is not the regular simple vddp of 0.92v) infinity fabric voltage
1usmus calculator even recommend 1.05v - use this and don't be lower.
your zentimng shows 0.95v only, which is not enough.

1700x is gen1 zen1, the internal memory controller IMC is not able to run 3600MT/s = 1800Mhz. The 3200MT/s=1600Mhz is as good as it can be. Although quite a few guys manages to run 3466MT/s on 1800x, but yours is 1700 only without X, hence just hang on the 3200MT/s, my old 1700x can't even run 3200MT/s.

Upgrade your CPU to Ryzen 5000 series will be god-mode.

Don't upgrade ram. I bet your 3200MT/s will run 3466MT/s with the new Ryzen 5000. Hence don't waste money on ram.

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x370taichi@3.50gen4
AX750 Optane900P SN770
3800x PosdonZro4 BarrowPWM-17w>420x140x28
XFX SWFT319 6900XT
MSI RX560 LP to get Fluid Motion BlueskyFRC 75hz


Posted By: Nightlane
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2023 at 2:14am
Originally posted by cx5 cx5 wrote:



Good job cutting the end L to clear the ram !!!

M2_2 is gen2 speed, obviously speed will drop. It's expected.

regarding 900p access, please try a few more days, make sure all connectors are good and tight etc, try not to cross power cables over signal PCB traces [interference] (easier said than done, I know....)

A final setup that you've not yet tried/use is put 900p in pcie2 and GPU in pcie3 without the samsung970 at all. This to elimiate the possibility of M.2adaptor bad quality or the pcie male to pcie female riser bad quality or interferance from too many power cables flying around or components etc.


Thank you!

Images of the cut adaptor:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1072856367632760942/1078013144523346041/IMG20230222084046.jpg?width=1337&height=1002" rel="nofollow - https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1072856367632760942/1078013144523346041/IMG20230222084046.jpg?width=1337&height=1002
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1072856367632760942/1078013144259121152/IMG20230222084104.jpg?width=1337&height=1002" rel="nofollow - https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1072856367632760942/1078013144259121152/IMG20230222084104.jpg?width=1337&height=1002


The pieces clear the ram, but the adaptor should be a few millimeters longer, as the drive parts touch other motherboard components, so the connector is not 100% plugged. If I use this route, I would have to remove the frontal piece of metal, and still, it was touching another thing as well, so, I am not sure if I can fit it right.

The cables thing... hmmm I think it is mostly good, but... I am not 100% sure.


Yeah, while I think that the adaptor is well enough connected because... well... same statistics.


Yesterday I swapped the things positions again:
PCIe1: Sound Blaster
M2_1: Samsung SSD
PCIe2: 900P
PCIe3: GPU
So... the photo: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1072856367632760942/1078013144791785522/IMG20230221183555.jpg?width=1337&height=1002" rel="nofollow - https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1072856367632760942/1078013144791785522/IMG20230221183555.jpg?width=1337&height=1002

And I got equivalent results:
900p: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1077679173524529302/image.png" rel="nofollow - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1077679173524529302/image.png and https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1077679197985705995/image.png" rel="nofollow - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1077679197985705995/image.png

Samsung:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1077679220412645456/image.png" rel="nofollow - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1077679220412645456/image.png and https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1077679251282722826/image.png" rel="nofollow - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1077679251282722826/image.png



BTW< I got a setback. While trying to screw the Samsung on the M2_1, the metal "ring" where the screw is screwed, got detached:
The thing: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1078013145349623929/IMG20230221182044.jpg" rel="nofollow - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1078013145349623929/IMG20230221182044.jpg
The motherboard without that thing (see the red arrow): https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1078016120956653610/placa_base_sin_la_tuerca.jpg" rel="nofollow - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1078016120956653610/placa_base_sin_la_tuerca.jpg


Posted By: Nightlane
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2023 at 7:28am
Originally posted by cx5 cx5 wrote:

I retried cheap thin grey color 15cm long cable + socket length = 20cm extension cable, lost sequential read nearly 1000MB/s and write 500MB/s

      access           4k-64thrd           Score
      read    write    read      write       
20cm 0.018ms 0.026ms 1580MB/s 1042MB/s 4336

may be expensive thick cable works ??? i.e. CAT5 cables looses out to CAT7 cables only at very long runs, like in this case was supposed to be 5cm direct to CPU because 25cm and extra sockets sockets connection not perfect.

no amount of overclock can recover the lost of long signal cables in this case high speed bitrate sensitive data.



I had one 40??20cm extension at my home, and it seemed to have pretty high quality, but I returned it before checking it.

Yeah, maybe the 20cm are not really a problem if the rest is right? or are you sure about the distance thing? In my case, I never had better or worse access times in any of the slots I connected the 900p


Posted By: Nightlane
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2023 at 7:29am
Originally posted by Katana1074 Katana1074 wrote:



specs are now in my signature regards


Good setup!

I wonder how good Star Citizen runs in that beast :-)


Posted By: Nightlane
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2023 at 7:52am
Originally posted by cx5 cx5 wrote:

A final setup that you've not yet tried/use is put 900p in pcie2 and GPU in pcie3 without the samsung970 at all. This to elimiate the possibility of M.2adaptor bad quality or the pcie male to pcie female riser bad quality or interferance from too many power cables flying around or components etc.


Oh, I will try to check out about removing the Samsung, or not, not sure :-p. The problem is that the Samsung is currently my boot drive. ^^u


Posted By: cx5
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2023 at 11:54am
Originally posted by Nightlane Nightlane wrote:


as the drive parts touch other motherboard components, I would have to remove the frontal piece of metal, and still, it was touching another thing as well,

Yeah, while I think that the adaptor is well enough connected because... well... same statistics.

Yesterday I swapped the things positions again:
PCIe1: Sound Blaster
M2_1: Samsung SSD
PCIe2: 900P
PCIe3: GPU
So... the photo: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1072856367632760942/1078013144791785522/IMG20230221183555.jpg?width=1337&height=1002" rel="nofollow - https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1072856367632760942/1078013144791785522/IMG20230221183555.jpg?width=1337&height=1002

And I got equivalent results:
900p: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1077679173524529302/image.png" rel="nofollow - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1077679173524529302/image.png

Samsung:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1077679220412645456/image.png" rel="nofollow - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1077679220412645456/image.png


For now I recommend you to keep this combination.
PCIe1: Sound Blaster
M2_1: Samsung SSD
PCIe2: 900P
PCIe3: GPU
I think this is the most important BASELINE reference performance, because no socket, no adaptors, optane900p shortest and direct to CPU.

I'm extremely shocked to see optane900p in pcie2 with low benchmark results, I'm extremely puzzled. It's in pcie2 which is the best it can be without adaptors connectors anomalies.

Reference my 1700x optane900p in pcie3 from 2017
______access__________4k-64thrd__________Score
_______read____write___read_____write       
pcie3 0.022ms 0.037ms 2211MB/s 806MB/s   5044 with optane driver could be this bad too
pcie3 0.022ms 0.037ms 2277MB/s 821MB/s   5164 without optane driver, using microsoft nvme driver
pcie3 0.022ms 0.037ms 2869MB/s 796MB/s   6038 without optane driver, using microsoft nvme driver

Hence I worry your 1700 cpu is badly degraded ???? may be ????
Please run CPU benchmark, like cinebench or something

The 1usmus MemBench is also good choice to test CPU health and ram performance, pay attention to CPU latency,

If I remember correctly.
1700 with 3200MT/s
XMP should be around 85ns or more ???
1usmus SAFE 80ns
1usmus FAST 75ns

I use ALL CPU meter 4.7.3 from addgadgets.com and look at the CPU 16x threads loading while running the 1usmus Membench, sometimes overclock ram too much the CPU loading bar does not reach 100%, but only 90%, means too much error due to overclock wrongly.

Sometimes as bad as 50% average loading on all 16x thread bars while running 1usmus membecnh, usually windows crash soon after.

Sorry to hear M.2 screw fell off.....

It is possible to borrow a CPU from friend to test ???

The CPU cooler hoses should be low, near earth, because at top there might be air trapped and not able to push liquid through efficiently. See youtube gamers nexus waterloop recommended way https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbGomv195sk


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x370taichi@3.50gen4
AX750 Optane900P SN770
3800x PosdonZro4 BarrowPWM-17w>420x140x28
XFX SWFT319 6900XT
MSI RX560 LP to get Fluid Motion BlueskyFRC 75hz


Posted By: Nightlane
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2023 at 6:08pm
Originally posted by cx5 cx5 wrote:


For now I recommend you to keep this combination.
PCIe1: Sound Blaster
M2_1: Samsung SSD
PCIe2: 900P
PCIe3: GPU
I think this is the most important BASELINE reference performance, because no socket, no adaptors, optane900p shortest and direct to CPU.

I'm extremely shocked to see optane900p in pcie2 with low benchmark results, I'm extremely puzzled. It's in pcie2 which is the best it can be without adaptors connectors anomalies.

Reference my 1700x optane900p in pcie3 from 2017
______access__________4k-64thrd__________Score
_______read____write___read_____write       
pcie3 0.022ms 0.037ms 2211MB/s 806MB/s   5044 with optane driver could be this bad too
pcie3 0.022ms 0.037ms 2277MB/s 821MB/s   5164 without optane driver, using microsoft nvme driver
pcie3 0.022ms 0.037ms 2869MB/s 796MB/s   6038 without optane driver, using microsoft nvme driver

Hence I worry your 1700 cpu is badly degraded ???? may be ????
Please run CPU benchmark, like cinebench or something

The 1usmus MemBench is also good choice to test CPU health and ram performance, pay attention to CPU latency,

If I remember correctly.
1700 with 3200MT/s
XMP should be around 85ns or more ???
1usmus SAFE 80ns
1usmus FAST 75ns

I use ALL CPU meter 4.7.3 from addgadgets.com and look at the CPU 16x threads loading while running the 1usmus Membench, sometimes overclock ram too much the CPU loading bar does not reach 100%, but only 90%, means too much error due to overclock wrongly.

Sometimes as bad as 50% average loading on all 16x thread bars while running 1usmus membecnh, usually windows crash soon after.

Sorry to hear M.2 screw fell off.....

It is possible to borrow a CPU from friend to test ???

The CPU cooler hoses should be low, near earth, because at top there might be air trapped and not able to push liquid through efficiently. See youtube gamers nexus waterloop recommended way https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbGomv195sk" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbGomv195sk


Well, about the M.2 screw falling off, I guess I have bad luck with Asus/ASRock mobos. The 2007 Asus striker extreme I purchased overheated itself and I had to use the warranty for a replacement after a hellish year of overheating crashes (the GPUs overheated as well ^^u). The replacement, the Carrera or Formula or something like that version, came without the reset button working (but after waiting 3 months for the striker replacement I wanted not to wait another 3 months), and maybe 6 or 8 months after it died. And now this with an Asrock. Oh, well...



Yeah, it is weird that the 4k-64thrd writing speed is so low. Are you using the same 900p Optane model and not, maybe, 905p, or something? :-O

Or maybe my mobo is not good enough. Are you using the same one? I guess that when I can (money required, a tough moment here with the crisis), I will swap both the mobo and the CPU.

Well, I think I have never obtained outstanding results in benchmarks, but I think my CPU is not degraded. I hope not! While I purchase it like 5 years and 3 months ago, I have never OC it and my actual usage of the computer is fairly low because of kids, etc. Just checking now while rerunning the mem benchmark, my CPU temp has gone up from 36 to 42 (and sometimes 43). While I have not renewed the thermal paste since years ago, I have not observed high temps nor throttling or something that would mean thermal stress to the CPU: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1078221485484822538/image.png" rel="nofollow - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1078221485484822538/image.png

My thermal paste is the Gelid GC-Extreme (but in old green recipient format).

I guess that my Kraken x63 is still overkill for my setup. Well, I selected it (and the thermal paste) because I planned to overclock the CPU eventually. I got the Ryzen 1700 because was good enough to be OC as far as a 1800X can go (just maybe somewhat worse temps).

BTW, the Kraken radiator and fans are on top of the CPU. The case has 6 big fans, 1 at the back, 2 at the radiator on the top, and 3 at the front. The frontal ones get air inside, and the back and top ones extract air to the outside. BTW, the 4 not on the radiator are always working at 100%. I have to change their connection to one of the motherboard fan controllers. I am using a fully powered 6 ways Corsair splitter where all 4 are connected. I guess it is the one that came with the fans IIRC. All fans are Corsair ML 140 PRO.

I have never observed high temps in the CPU nor in the GPU. I will check more. I do not remember the GPU going over 72C degrees even with the Gigabyte overclock (not sure, but 80, never, even during benchmarks)

Maybe I need a fresh reinstall?? (I hate fresh reinstalls, and I hate windows being so bad with its auto maintenance).

Wow, I take notes about the overclock causing failures! BTW, I observed 100% CPU usage, as you can see in the CAM capture up there.

I will check the memory settings as soon as I can, and I will take photos before accepting them and trying to reboot ^^u


THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Posted By: cx5
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2023 at 9:53am
Originally posted by Nightlane Nightlane wrote:

Are you using the same 900p Optane model and not, maybe, 905p, or something? :-O

Are you using the same mobo too?


My mobo picture link below, same x370 taichi as you and my optane900p is 280GB version same as you.

http:www.my-acoustic.com/images/IMAG8995_2023feb23_optane900ppcie2_SN770M.2-1_6900XTpcie3_RX560_pcie5extention20cmCUTshiftoneslot.jpg" rel="nofollow - http:www.my-acoustic.com/images/IMAG8995_2023feb23_optane900ppcie2_SN770M.2-1_6900XTpcie3_RX560_pcie5extention20cmCUTshiftoneslot.jpg

http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/2023-02-23%20224819%20HWinfo%203600MTs1usmusSAFE%20optane900ppcie2%20FAST%20again%20.png" rel="nofollow - http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/2023-02-23%20224819%20HWinfo%203600MTs1usmusSAFE%20optane900ppcie2%20FAST%20again%20.png

The reason I setup such weird way is because will try this weekend PCIe ver4.0 16Gb/s speed per lane using beta bios from old to check if can achieve 7000MB/s for SN770 at pcie2 and 6900XT run PCIe ver4.0

2023 Feb 23
optane900p 280gb @ pcie2
SN770 1TB @ M.2 socket 1
6900XT @ pcie3
RX560 @ pcie5 plus extention cable 20cm then CUT GPU bracket shift one slot to give more air space to 6900XT. For AMD Fluid Motion + Blusky Framerate Convertor output 144hz on the fly smooth video less judder


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x370taichi@3.50gen4
AX750 Optane900P SN770
3800x PosdonZro4 BarrowPWM-17w>420x140x28
XFX SWFT319 6900XT
MSI RX560 LP to get Fluid Motion BlueskyFRC 75hz


Posted By: cx5
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2023 at 10:27am
Originally posted by Nightlane Nightlane wrote:


BTW< I got a setback. While trying to screw the Samsung on the M2_1, the metal "ring" where the screw is screwed, got detached:
The thing: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1078013145349623929/IMG20230221182044.jpg" rel="nofollow - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1078013145349623929/IMG20230221182044.jpg
The motherboard without that thing (see the red arrow): https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1078016120956653610/placa_base_sin_la_tuerca.jpg" rel="nofollow - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072856367632760942/1078016120956653610/placa_base_sin_la_tuerca.jpg


You seem to be a very well DIYir handy man....... would you be willing to try using a single small drop of epoxy glue to secure it ???

Or get a rubber lock thingy for M.2 https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.74.15616453HtL7BH&id=620459037990&ns=1&abbucket=9#detail" rel="nofollow - https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.74.15616453HtL7BH&id=620459037990&ns=1&abbucket=9#detail

or a complete new set of nuts+bolts and top_bolts (pain in the ass to take out mobo from casing :(

modern mobo uses flip switch 90 degrees to lock the M.2 no longer uses screw, try to look for it if you have time.

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x370taichi@3.50gen4
AX750 Optane900P SN770
3800x PosdonZro4 BarrowPWM-17w>420x140x28
XFX SWFT319 6900XT
MSI RX560 LP to get Fluid Motion BlueskyFRC 75hz


Posted By: cx5
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2023 at 11:38am
@Nightlane, good to hear from CPU temp not high....

I want to give you more hope, check out below. My best score using bios 6.62 2021 April 20, optane900p score 7020 in pcie2 with a HiKvision 512GB score 4802 in M.2 socket 1, Notice the pcie lane allocation as well as 8Gb/s=gen3 versus 2.5Gb/2=gen2 on GPU shows currently used, other testseses plus various details and information.

the AMD chipset package also date around 2021 April 20th +/-

the bios version and chipset version makes a big difference. I've always known this, but because we need better ram compatibily support using newer agessa plus resizable bar, hence sacrificed SSD performance :(

The chipset vulnerability problem also stole some performance from CPU, causing lost of score in AS SSD.

http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/07%20bios%20full%20manual%20all%20full%20lane%20speed%20x2%20optane900pscore7020%20E2000-512GBscore4802.png" rel="nofollow - http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/07%20bios%20full%20manual%20all%20full%20lane%20speed%20x2%20optane900pscore7020%20E2000-512GBscore4802.png

test was with M.2 set to Gen3
http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/07%20bios%20full%20manual%20all%20full%20lane%20speed.png" rel="nofollow - http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/07%20bios%20full%20manual%20all%20full%20lane%20speed.png

I recall may be overclocked the CPU manually to get high score, hence please try manual CPU overclock as high as you can.



Below a test with singular optane900p without M.2 E2000 512GB

http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/05%20-%20x16%20run%208GTs%20must%20manual%20bios%20set%20Gen3%20with%20optane900p%20at%20slot%202%20with%20M.2%20in%20socket%201%20set%20to%20Gen2%20succesful.PNG" rel="nofollow - http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/05%20-%20x16%20run%208GTs%20must%20manual%20bios%20set%20Gen3%20with%20optane900p%20at%20slot%202%20with%20M.2%20in%20socket%201%20set%20to%20Gen2%20succesful.PNG

http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/05%20-%20x16%20run%208GTs%20must%20manual%20bios%20set%20Gen3%20with%20optane900p%20at%20slot%202%20without%20M.2%20in%20socket%201%20priority.PNG" rel="nofollow - http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/05%20-%20x16%20run%208GTs%20must%20manual%20bios%20set%20Gen3%20with%20optane900p%20at%20slot%202%20without%20M.2%20in%20socket%201%20priority.PNG

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x370taichi@3.50gen4
AX750 Optane900P SN770
3800x PosdonZro4 BarrowPWM-17w>420x140x28
XFX SWFT319 6900XT
MSI RX560 LP to get Fluid Motion BlueskyFRC 75hz


Posted By: cx5
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2023 at 11:58am
15cm long extention cable grey color suspect thin wires bad score at M.2 socket 1, where power socket far from optane900p, may be power lost through 15cm cable also.

http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/2023-02-13%20230256%2015cm%20extention%20cable%20M2adaptorsocket1%20lost%20throughput.png" rel="nofollow - http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/2023-02-13%20230256%2015cm%20extention%20cable%20M2adaptorsocket1%20lost%20throughput.png

PC physical install placement picture
http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/IMAG8950-M.2plus15cmlongcableoptane900pbadscore.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/IMAG8950-M.2plus15cmlongcableoptane900pbadscore.jpg

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x370taichi@3.50gen4
AX750 Optane900P SN770
3800x PosdonZro4 BarrowPWM-17w>420x140x28
XFX SWFT319 6900XT
MSI RX560 LP to get Fluid Motion BlueskyFRC 75hz


Posted By: cx5
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2023 at 1:04pm
M.2 adaptor vs riser vs 15cm cable vs M.2 direct to cable adaptor

http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/IMAG9003M.2adaptorvsRiservs15cmcable.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/IMAG9003M.2adaptorvsRiservs15cmcable.jpg

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x370taichi@3.50gen4
AX750 Optane900P SN770
3800x PosdonZro4 BarrowPWM-17w>420x140x28
XFX SWFT319 6900XT
MSI RX560 LP to get Fluid Motion BlueskyFRC 75hz


Posted By: Nightlane
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2023 at 6:45pm
Originally posted by cx5 cx5 wrote:

M.2 adaptor vs riser vs 15cm cable vs M.2 direct to cable adaptor

http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/IMAG9003M.2adaptorvsRiservs15cmcable.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/IMAG9003M.2adaptorvsRiservs15cmcable.jpg

I had this one (and I returned it)

https://www.amazon.es/dp/B08C7YBRFC

the power is on the right side and it looked pretty high quality. (and it was like 40$)

Is the interference between its own wires? If the interferences come from outside, I think you can add the right cover to insulate it.


Posted By: Nightlane
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2023 at 7:03pm
Originally posted by cx5 cx5 wrote:

M.2 adaptor vs riser vs 15cm cable vs M.2 direct to cable adaptor

http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/IMAG9003M.2adaptorvsRiservs15cmcable.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/IMAG9003M.2adaptorvsRiservs15cmcable.jpg


if the interferences come from their own wires, well, if you feel crafty you can separate the wires and insulate them separately. It will end a bit shorter.

About possible power drop, hmmm, I think distance should not be important if the wires are decent. Probably you can try to use a potentiometer to check it?

If the power loss is a thing, you can try to weld a new cable + connector to the pcie connector directly.


Posted By: cx5
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2023 at 10:12am
@Nightlane

My current setup betting on shortest path SSD and attempting PCIe Gen4 SN770@pcie2 and RX6900XT@pcie3, because bios must 8x 8x both plugged in item must be Gen4 hence can't fit Optane900p@pcie2 forcing it to be in M.2socket1 using adaptor.

http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/IMAG9007optane900p@M.2_SN770@pcie2_6900XT@pcie3_RX560@pcie5AMDFluidMotion.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/IMAG9007optane900p@M.2_SN770@pcie2_6900XT@pcie3_RX560@pcie5AMDFluidMotion.jpg

http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/IMAG9009.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/IMAG9009.jpg

http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/IMAG9010.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/IMAG9010.jpg

http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/IMAG9011.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/IMAG9011.jpg

http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/IMAG8990M.2convertPCIe4x.jpg" rel="nofollow - zoom in M.2 convert PCIe4x bended

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x370taichi@3.50gen4
AX750 Optane900P SN770
3800x PosdonZro4 BarrowPWM-17w>420x140x28
XFX SWFT319 6900XT
MSI RX560 LP to get Fluid Motion BlueskyFRC 75hz


Posted By: cx5
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2023 at 10:38am
Originally posted by Nightlane Nightlane wrote:

Is the interference between its own wires? If the interferences come from outside, I think you can add the right cover to insulate it.


Interference from outside. It's general rule, the longer the signal path the more chances of intereference, even motherboard's internal PCB traces suffer this rule, that's why M.2 right next to CPU is ULTRA speed.

Example, the power cable cannot run parallel next to signal cable, this is 100% signal degradation, the best option is power run 90 degrees perpendicular to signal, but easier said then done..... when space constrains, cable length, cable tidyness management are required.


opppssss wrong link previously, edited to correct link below.
eg http://www.my-acoustic.com/images/IMAG9009.jpg" rel="nofollow - power cable run parallel to SN770 adaptor card might be bad signal integrity


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x370taichi@3.50gen4
AX750 Optane900P SN770
3800x PosdonZro4 BarrowPWM-17w>420x140x28
XFX SWFT319 6900XT
MSI RX560 LP to get Fluid Motion BlueskyFRC 75hz


Posted By: cx5
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2023 at 2:09pm
I am apparently suffering this windows 11 storage performance lost problem = https://www.tomshardware.com/news/windows-11-kb5008353-ssd-fix" rel="nofollow - https://www.tomshardware.com/news/windows-11-kb5008353-ssd-fix


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x370taichi@3.50gen4
AX750 Optane900P SN770
3800x PosdonZro4 BarrowPWM-17w>420x140x28
XFX SWFT319 6900XT
MSI RX560 LP to get Fluid Motion BlueskyFRC 75hz



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