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Topic: Integrated AMD Radeon??R7/R5 Series Graphics in A-
Posted By: asrocka58vg3r2
Subject: Integrated AMD Radeon??R7/R5 Series Graphics in A-
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 9:41pm
I just bought the 

FM2A58M-VG3+ R2.0 

and on the graphics it says INTEGRATED AMD RADEON R7/R5 SERIES GRAPHICS IN A-SERIES APU. DOES THE MOBO HAVE THIS BUILT IN? IF YES HOW CAN I ACTIVATE THE R7/R5 GRAPHICS. MY APU IS AMD A6 6400K RICHLAND WITH AN AMD RADEON HD 8470D. PLS HELP ME CAUSE THIS IS MY FIRST PC THAT I BUILT. FOR MORE INFO ABOUT THE MOBO HERES THE LINK: http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/FM2A58M-VG3+%20R2.0/




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Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 9:47pm
I am afraid not.

Quote INTEGRATED AMD RADEON R7/R5 SERIES GRAPHICS IN A-SERIES APU

The iGPU is provided by the CPU and depends on the CPU used.


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Posted By: asrocka58vg3r2
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 10:49pm
oh. well that confuses me a lot. they shouldn't have put that in the description cos its misleading. thank you for your help 


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 10:51pm
Your A4-6400K does have an iGPU.

If I read your post right, you're asking if you can disable the 6400Ks iGPU and instead use a discreet graphics card in it's place


That answer would be "Certainly".

You can disable the 6400Ks iGPU in the BIOS and signify it to instead use the R7/R5.


HTH





Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 11:21pm
He means does the board itself possess an integrated R5/R7 iGPU. The answer is no, it utilizes the iGPU on the APU installed. 

He is using an A6 6400k Richland APU which is equipped with an "HD 8470D" iGPU. Newer APUs all utilize R5/R7 designation iGPUs. I believe he feels cheated as he believed the board itself possessed an iGPU he could enable in place of or in conjunction with the CPU's iGPU.

I am sorry he feels that way but most, if not all FM2+ boards have their graphics capabilities listed this way. The 8XXXD iGPUs were renamed to R5 and R7 designations with the A(XX) 7K series of APUs. They are in essence still the same iGPUs with some tweaks and performance improvements.

There would be little to no performance increase between his 8470D to an R5 graphics solution on the a6 7400k for example. Maybe a few FPS due to slightly higher clocks but ultimately the A4 and A6 range of iGPUs are not gaming APUs, they are budget oriented media solutions.


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Posted By: asrocka58vg3r2
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2016 at 7:30am
I thank you both for taking time to answer my question. When I bought the mobo i thought that it has an integrated r5/r7 gpu, so i pair it with the a6-6400k. And Before I forgot Im planning to make my pc an office and a gaming unit. Can you recommend a good gpu on a nice budget? Is amd dual grapphics technology massively improves performance in gaming? I play moba, elderscrolls and other rpg's that is not very demanding. They all runs fine in low settings mode.


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2016 at 10:37am
In your instance employing Dual Graphics in tandem with the APU and a "matching' discreet card might be the better/less expensive alternative.

http://www.cpu-world.com/info/AMD/Recommended_graphics_cards_for_AMD_dual-graphics.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.cpu-world.com/info/AMD/Recommended_graphics_cards_for_AMD_dual-graphics.html


Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2016 at 12:47pm
Dual graphics is more effective on higher specification APUs. Even then, not all games can utilize it and you end up running only the discrete card in some titles. 

Part of the problem with dual graphics is that only certain GPUs are compatible. Some of these GPUs are a total waste of money. I would not touch an R7 240 for example, it costs around $70 new and performs horribly. 

The sweet spot when it comes to value for performance is the R9 250x which can be had for $80 - $85 and actually games reasonably well at 720p. While the R7 250x can't be used in dual graphics mode with your APU it will be significantly faster than a card that can be.

Basically I would recommend a faster GPU over one that can be used in dual graphics mode. The R7 250x will significantly outperform the APU + AMD HD 6570 in dual graphics.

If you are looking to go even cheaper then take a look at buying used. Any AMD HD 7790 or better will be a great investment.


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Posted By: asrocka58vg3r2
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2016 at 6:22pm
Again, thank you all for answering my question. Ive been eyeing those r7 240 for a while cause theyre cheap and thinking to upgrade my a6 to a8 in december so i can use the dual graphics but now im having a second thought. I guess discrete gpu will just have to wait for now. If i decide to buy one of those nvidia gpu's with the apu i mentioned in my post, what will you recommend between these two: (zotac gtx 750ti 1gb ddr5 128 bit) or (zotac gtx 7501gb ddr5 128 bit). Any brand/model will also be acceptable in your suggestion as long as their price is close to the gpu's i gave.
http://www.bermorzone.com/store/p671/Zotac_GTX_750_Ti_1GB_DDR5_128bit.html" rel="nofollow -


Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2016 at 7:04pm
A 750ti is a great choice, it will be faster than the 250x I mentioned and also uses less power. Any brand is fine just find the best deal you can. If it is in your budget I would try and get a 2gb version even if it is just a 750 not the 750 ti. You wouldn't be able to use dual graphics with it but it will be faster than any dual graphics setup your APU is capable of anyway.

The only issue you might come across is that your A6 is a dual core and may cause problems running some games but looking at the titles you listed I don't think it would be a problem for you, not unless you plan on playing some of the newer AAA titles. Some new games do not work well (or at all) on dual core systems. 


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Posted By: asrocka58vg3r2
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2016 at 12:20am
Well, i really want to play those AAA titles but they cost much. Ill just gonna focus on my hardware for now and try some later. Is a8 good enough for gaming? Cos they have 4 cores. How much cpu cores do I need for a good gaming experience? Youve been helping me a lot, i really appreciate your effort answering my questions. ThanksBig smileBig smileBig smile.


Posted By: asrocka58vg3r2
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2016 at 12:23am
Well, i really want to play those AAA titles but they cost much. Ill just gonna focus on my hardware for now and try some later. Is a8 good enough for gaming? Cos they have 4 cores. How much cpu cores do I need for a good gaming experience? Youve been helping me a lot, i really appreciate your effort answering my questions. Thanks


Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2016 at 1:31am
4 cores should is fine. Everyone always goes on about minimum this and essential that but at the end of they day if all you are looking to do is play AAA titles at decent frame rates with acceptable quality levels you don't need anywhere near the specs most forums will try and tell you.

For a decent gamer on a budget I would recommend the following:

4 Core CPU (A8 is fine in your case though I would try and get an A8 7k series)
GTX 750/750Ti with 2gb of memory
8GB of RAM

This should allow you to play most AAA titles at decent FPS @720p (even 1080p in some titles) with a mix of low/medium and sometimes even high quality settings. You will have to tweak your visual settings for optimum quality vs FPS but most games today actually look pretty decent even with lower settings.  Google search the combination of APU and GPU you plan to get and take a look at youtube videos of gameplay with the combo. 

The parts I listed above will be night and day compared to the APU you are using now Wink


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Posted By: asrocka58vg3r2
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2016 at 7:49am
Ok  thanks. You have answered all my possible questions for now. I hope you will help me again in the future. Thank you and a have a good day.


Posted By: PetrolHead
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2016 at 3:59pm
Two things should be pointed out:

1. AMD APUs have the same issue as the FX-series, which is that the cores are "marketing cores". The amount of "real" cores depends on the application. In some applications you in practice need to divide the number of cores by two due to there being only one floating point unit in each "two core" module; in others the CPU functions like a four core CPU would.

2. The amount of cores is not the only factor. You also need to consider how fast each core is. The single threaded performance of AMD CPUs (APU or not) is way behind modern Intel CPUs and in applications where the software can't take advantage of more than two threads a simple i3 will likely wipe the floor with any A8 APU.

Not that the A8 CPUs are useless, but you should not think of a CPU just in terms of cores, since it means different things in Intel and AMD CPUs and it's only part of the story.

In any case, it all comes down to what you're playing and what sort of performance you'll expect. Modern AAA titles are not really designed to be played on budget systems, but lowering the resolution and detail settings should make them playable just like Xaltar said. MOBAs and possibly older AAA titles should not be a problem for your system.


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Posted By: asrocka58vg3r2
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2016 at 4:39pm
Ok, thak you for the information Ill keep that in mind.


Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2016 at 8:54pm
Thanks PetrolHead for the additional info . I just realized I should have said: 

"For a decent gamer on a budget using as much of your current system as possible".

With that hardware config there shouldn't be any bottlenecks as the GPU will run out of horsepower before the A8 starts bottlenecking the system. It comes down to quality settings and resolution being tailored to the hardware. The goal should always be an enjoyable playing experience so better to have a game set to 720p medium settings at 45 - 50fps than to have it set to 1080p low at 25 - 30 for example.

If you should choose to upgrade your system at a later date (and have the budget for it) then you would do well to wait for AMD's Zen lineup to be launched. Regardless of which CPU you would go with, intel or AMD, the launch of Zen will hopefully present competition for intel and force intel's mid range pricing to be more competitive.

If you are not looking to replace everything then the info I provided above should do you well. You may even consider going for an Athlon x4 860, it is a faster CPU than the A8 and costs about the same. You can only do this if you purchase a discrete GPU however as the Athlon FM2+ CPUs do not have built in graphics. That wouldn't be a problem with the GTX 750/Ti.


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Posted By: asrocka58vg3r2
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 7:35pm
What do you mean about the gpu running out of horsepower? will it degrade performance first before the a8 and bottlenecks the system? and pls tell me how to determine if something is bottlenecking my pc


Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 11:43pm
The answer to that question is fairly complicated and depends on a number of factors.

In this instance it is more about pairing your hardware with equally performing components, IE. GPU + CPU. An A8 6/7K is a fairly weak quad core CPU so you would not want to pair it with say a GTX 960/R7 370 or above. Any slower GPU than those will be fine as they will be supplied with data by your CPU at the rate they demand. 

When the GPU is significantly more powerful than the system can handle it ends up being starved for data. The result is high CPU usage and low GPU usage, if it is the other way around the reverse is true. The ideal is to have both CPU and GPU both running at or near 80% in any given game. If both are running higher than 90% in a game then lowering settings will likely produce smoother gameplay. This is only a rule of thumb however and many games will spike even the best hardware to 100% usage on one or both CPU/GPU at times due to poor optimization etc.

If you want to know more than this take a look at the subject via google. I would search "PC Bottleneck information".


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Posted By: asrocka58vg3r2
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2016 at 6:43am
ok thanks for the explanation.Smile



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