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Topic: Z77 Extreme 4 NVME PCI-E SSD BOOTING!
Posted By: zazzn
Subject: Z77 Extreme 4 NVME PCI-E SSD BOOTING!
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2016 at 10:53am
So I just wanted to share with everyone, that I was able to get my machine to boot a NVME PCI-E Intel.

You will need to install a modified BIOS which has the correct drivers to allow booting form the NVME drive however, once done, you are on a course for smooth sailing for 1000 MB+ of SSD bliss. 

You can find all the information you need http://www.win-raid.com/t871f16-Guide-How-to-get-full-NVMe-support-for-Intel-Chipset-systems-from-Series-up.html" rel="nofollow - here  however, if you don't want to go though the trouble you can use my pre-modified BIOS here

I just wanted to share my excitement with my new found loved brand of motherboard. I also noticed they have their own BETA bios for NVME support http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z77%20Extreme4/index.asp?cat=Beta" rel="nofollow - here  which is pretty sick considering the board is several years old. 

I'm a long term computer enthusiast and I can say without a shadow of a doubt my next board will be ASRock.

I've had ABIT, ASUS, GIGABYTE, SOYO, MSI and I can say without a shadow of a doubt, I will choose ASRock again next time. 

I'm waiting for ASRock to release a new z170 with Alpine ridge support and a configuration similar to the Z170x-UD3 which can support 3 NVME drives :))))





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Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2016 at 11:16pm
Originally posted by zazzn zazzn wrote:

So I just wanted to share with everyone, that I was able to get my machine to boot a NVME PCI-E Intel.

You will need to install a modified BIOS which has the correct drivers to allow booting form the NVME drive however, once done, you are on a course for smooth sailing for 1000 MB+ of SSD bliss. 

You can find all the information you need http://www.win-raid.com/t871f16-Guide-How-to-get-full-NVMe-support-for-Intel-Chipset-systems-from-Series-up.html" rel="nofollow - here  however, if you don't want to go though the trouble you can use my pre-modified BIOS here

I just wanted to share my excitement with my new found loved brand of motherboard. I also noticed they have their own BETA bios for NVME support http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z77%20Extreme4/index.asp?cat=Beta" rel="nofollow - here  which is pretty sick considering the board is several years old. 

I'm a long term computer enthusiast and I can say without a shadow of a doubt my next board will be ASRock.

I've had ABIT, ASUS, GIGABYTE, SOYO, MSI and I can say without a shadow of a doubt, I will choose ASRock again next time. 

I'm waiting for ASRock to release a new z170 with Alpine ridge support and a configuration similar to the Z170x-UD3 which can support 3 NVME drives :))))




My question for you about your modified UEFI with NVMe support for the Z77 Extreme4 board is this: Can you get into the UEFI/BIOS UI with your modified UEFI version, using the Restart to UEFI program, or the standard way with the Del or F2 key? That is, with an NVMe SSD as the OS/boot drive?

I'm not sure I understand what you mean about waiting for ASRock to release a board that supports three NVMe SSDs?

ASRock currently has three Z170 mother boards that support three M.2 NVMe SSDs, the Z170 OC Formula, Z170 Extreme7+, and the Fatal1ty Z170 Professional Gaming i7.

Plus you can always use M.2 to PCIe adapter cards to use more NVMe SSDs on any ASRock Z170 board, as well as standard PCIe NVMe SSDs like the Intel 750.


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Posted By: zazzn
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2016 at 7:37am
Yes, the only thing you modify with the tool is the modules that are loaded for the UEFI. IN this case I modified the driver for booting from PCI-E with the one that they have available. It doesn't change the BIOS code at all it's like updating the Intel ME drivers, similar to this you basically add modules and drivers for the UEFI shell to load so that it can read the hardware. 

I'm waiting for Asrock to use the Alpine ridge controller as well, basically the UD3 has everything I wantbut its not a Asrock board, so I'll hold out! UD3 is priced in the 120-150 range


Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2016 at 11:06pm
Originally posted by zazzn zazzn wrote:

Yes, the only thing you modify with the tool is the modules that are loaded for the UEFI. IN this case I modified the driver for booting from PCI-E with the one that they have available. It doesn't change the BIOS code at all it's like updating the Intel ME drivers, similar to this you basically add modules and drivers for the UEFI shell to load so that it can read the hardware. 

I'm waiting for Asrock to use the Alpine ridge controller as well, basically the UD3 has everything I wantbut its not a Asrock board, so I'll hold out! UD3 is priced in the 120-150 range


I understand the UEFI/BIOS modification to provide NVMe support. You really did not answer my question.

When using an Intel 750 AIC PCIe NVMe SSD in my Z77 Extreme4 board, with the ASRock P2.90M Beta UEFI with NVMe support, the board will not go into the UEFI UI normally. I see a POST code of A9 IIRC, and an otherwise blank screen.

In order to get into the UEFI UI with that configuration, I must clear the UEFI first. This workaround works, but is not optimal.

My question was, when using the UEFI that you modified, and a similar configuration to mine, are you able to get into the UEFI UI normally?

Also, the Z170X-UD3 board has only two M.2 slots that supports PCIe 3.0 x4, not three.

That board has a Thunderbolt add in card connector, but does not seem to have an Intel Alpine Ridge Thunderbolt 3 controller chip on the board itself.

The first Alpine Ridge Thunderbolt controller chip was released in Q3 2015, which is after boards like the ASRock Z170Extreme7+ were released.


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Posted By: BrettMc
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2017 at 7:49am
" rel="nofollow - Hello,

First post.

Can anyone tell me if the ASRock P67 EXTREME4 (B3) LGA 1155 will support the NVMe protocol?

What kind of performance can I expect from a PCIe SSD with this board if the NVMe protocol is not supported?

Thanks much!


Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2017 at 8:41am
Originally posted by BrettMc BrettMc wrote:

" rel="nofollow - Hello,

First post.

Can anyone tell me if the ASRock P67 EXTREME4 (B3) LGA 1155 will support the NVMe protocol?

What kind of performance can I expect from a PCIe SSD with this board if the NVMe protocol is not supported?


Thanks much!


Support of the NVMe protocol is provided by the NVMe driver. There is no reason you cannot install an NVMe driver in a Windows installation on a PC with your mother board. Windows 8.1 and 10 have a built in NVMe driver provided by Microsoft. Otherwise the NVMe SSD manufacture will provide an NVMe driver, most of them do.

What is loosely called "NVMe Support" in the UEFI/BIOS is required if an NVMe SSD will be used as the OS/boot drive. Your board does not have a UEFI/BIOS version that provides NVMe support, so in general an NVMe SSD cannot be used as the OS drive. An NVMe SSD could still be used as a data drive on your board.

Certain NVMe SSDs like the Samsung 950 Pro and possibly the 960 Pro and EVO series, have a built in Option ROM that takes the place of the NVMe support in a board's UEFI/BIOS, and are able to be used as the OS drive in PCs without NVMe support.

The performance of an NVMe SSD in your board depends upon the level of PCIe support you have, which depends upon the CPU you are using. Performance does not depend upon NVMe support as I described it above.

Most NVMe SSDs require a PCIe 3.0 x4 interface to provide their full performance. If you have an i5 or i7 Ivy Bridge processor in your board, then you have PCIe 3.0 support from the PCIE2 and PCIE4 slots. If you have a Sandy Bridge processor, you will have PCIe 2.0 support in the same slots.

The PCIE5 slot will be PCIe 2.0 x4 regardless of the CPU being used.

A PCIe 2.0 x4 interface will limit the large file sequential read and write speeds to ~2,000MB/s. You may also see a small reduction in the high queue depth 4K random read and write speeds.

Or what do you mean specifically by performance?


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Posted By: Mr-Uve
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2017 at 2:32am

Hello,
after long tests and trials I`ve got the Asrock Z77 extrem4 boot from the Samsung 960 evo NVMe M.2 1TB!
First updated the BIOS to latest Beta 2.90P version found here: http://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/Z77%20Extreme4/index.de.asp#Specification.
Following other posts I'd tried to install Windows 10 from the USB stick. yyBut in BIOS mode, don't start the system.
The workaround that helps is:
Go in BIOS in "Advanced" and ACPI Configuration: Last item in the Beta 2.90P is CSM. Turn it to ?úDisabled??


But now, you cannot start the windows 10 installation, the USB stick is no longer recognized.

Create a UEFI Windows 10 installation stick follow the instruction on this link:

https://www.thomas-krenn.com/de/wiki/Windows_UEFI_Boot-Stick_unter_Windows_erstellen" rel="nofollow - https://www.thomas-krenn.com/de/wiki/Windows_UEFI_Boot-Stick_unter_Windows_erstellen


I?ôve done with the Rufus tool ??works great!


Now start your computer again ??CMS off, boot the UEFI-Stick and install windows 10 as you want on your samsung 960 evo.

After installation you find the Windows Boot Manager in Boot Option Priorities.


After the system runs stable, I?ôve changed the setting in BIOS back to CMS enabled. First boot device Windows Boot Manager.


Starting the computer, it boot the Windows10 from Samsung M.2 SSD on PCIe 3 slot. Pressing F11 while booting give the choice to boot from another hard drive. I?ôve still my old Windows7 on the old harddisc ??works still stable. Very helpful when you copie your old programs and settings.


I?ôve not tested, but I think can work also for other Z77 boards. Clear, the samsung M.2 SSD should be found from the board. This work around will help to get the drive as boot drive.


Have fun.



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Posted By: rock_solid
Date Posted: 05 May 2018 at 4:45am
" rel="nofollow - Thank you for this!

I will be testing Z77 Extreme4 Q BIOS with an EVO 970 next week. I'll post results! I have heard general problems with IEEE1667 and NVMe boot, Samsung say they have fixed it with 970.

What I want to do it migrate my existing OS from AHCI SATA SSD, but obviously need NVMe driver active. Not really sure how I'm going to do this?


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Posted By: rock_solid
Date Posted: 09 May 2018 at 6:47pm
Well I got it to work!

Samsung EVO 970 NVMe M.2 on ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ...

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CrystalDiskMark 5.1.0 x64 (C) 2007-2015 hiyohiyo
                           Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
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* MB/s = 1,000,000 bytes/s [SATA/600 = 600,000,000 bytes/s]
* KB = 1000 bytes, KiB = 1024 bytes

   Sequential Read (Q= 32,T= 1) :  3128.912 MB/s Clap
  Sequential Write (Q= 32,T= 1) :  1543.462 MB/s
  Random Read 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) :   259.745 MB/s [ 63414.3 IOPS]
 Random Write 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) :   225.687 MB/s [ 55099.4 IOPS]
         Sequential Read (T= 1) :  1650.298 MB/s
        Sequential Write (T= 1) :  1543.753 MB/s
   Random Read 4KiB (Q= 1,T= 1) :    44.831 MB/s [ 10945.1 IOPS]
  Random Write 4KiB (Q= 1,T= 1) :   145.799 MB/s [ 35595.5 IOPS]

  Test : 1024 MiB [C: 59.1% (137.1/231.8 GiB)] (x5)  [Interval=5 sec]
  Date : 2018/05/09 19:45:52
    OS : Windows 10 Professional [10.0 Build 17134] (x64)

 
Used Macrium Reflect to clone old C. Samsung Data Migration tool kept crashing.

UEFI would not boot until I booted from Win 10 Recovery drive and ran "bcdboot c:\windows /s Z: /f UEFI" as per link: https://superuser.com/questions/1187789/how-can-i-repair-windows-10-uefi-normal-boot" rel="nofollow - https://superuser.com/questions/1187789/how-can-i-repair-windows-10-uefi-normal-boot

Blinding fast speeds!!!!!



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Posted By: majorpdd
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2018 at 6:11am
" rel="nofollow - Hey Rock,

For the Samsung EVO 970, which adapter did you use?

I am looking at the same thing for my Extreme6.


Posted By: rock_solid
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2018 at 8:21am
" rel="nofollow -
hello major,

Pro M.2 NVMe SSD NGFF TO PCIE 3.0 X16 X4 Adapter M Key Interface Card Full Speed

It was AUD$9 on ebay.com.au

https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=Pro+M.2+NVMe+SSD+NGFF+TO+PCIE+3.0+X16+X4+Adapter+M+Key+Interface+Card+Full+Speed&_sacat=0

worked well.


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Posted By: leo soares
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2018 at 8:46am
" rel="nofollow - Someone help me . my mobo asrock z77 extreme 4 does not have the option of XMP ja zerei a bios. I've updated more anyway so do not have the option. the 2: problem and that she put 12 gb of ram more only recognize 8 Gb help me ??


Posted By: rock_solid
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2018 at 9:00am
memory needs to TRAIN when you plug it in and boot. let it keep trying.
try all different combinations of placement in memory slots, but always match slot to get dual channel

i tried 6 different combinations, ramping up from one stick, letting the pc train the memory then add another stick reboot etc until it trained in all sticks. trying pairs in diff slots also

google ram training

make sure you dont have any bios settings manually set for ram, best to load factory defaults


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Posted By: leo soares
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2018 at 9:04am
already tried in several cobina and nothing to recognize the 12 gb only 8 gb.



Posted By: rock_solid
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2018 at 9:11am
i know the feeling. try to get the 2x2 that dont work first. honestly it took me an hour to get it to work and every combo

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Posted By: leo soares
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2018 at 9:15am
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Posted By: rock_solid
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2018 at 9:25am
done

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Posted By: Thunderg0D
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2018 at 6:51am
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Rock_Solid, do you know if the Z77 Extreme4's PCIE bus actually supports bifurcation or not?

I'd consider getting something like this if it'd support more than 1 card:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815548004

This spec has always confused me a little:

2 x PCI Express 3.0 x16 slots (PCIE2/PCIE3: single at x16 (PCIE2) / x8 (PCIE3) or dual at x8/x8 mode)


Posted By: majorpdd
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 5:17pm
Originally posted by rock_solid rock_solid wrote:

http://forum.asrock.com/RTE_textarea.asp%3cmode=quote&ID=55005&CACHE=1841" rel="nofollow -
hello major,

Pro M.2 NVMe SSD NGFF TO PCIE 3.0 X16 X4 Adapter M Key Interface Card Full Speed

It was AUD$9 on ebay.com.au

https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=Pro+M.2+NVMe+SSD+NGFF+TO+PCIE+3.0+X16+X4+Adapter+M+Key+Interface+Card+Full+Speed&_sacat=0

worked well.

Little late but thanks rock, grabbed a bargain myself too :)

Seems I found on the exreme6 slot PCIE5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 slot is only x4, but seems to drop in performance on the NVMe I am using...

I have to use slot PCIE4 which then halves the lanes on PCIE2 down to x8, then I get the full throughput that the NVMe can support.

From what I reading though, and the performance tests I have done on my 1060 6gb in PCIE2, there is not really much loss!

Does anything actually use x16! to the max...

Never used to boot, only as 4th drive... I boot already from another SSD, which takes 5 seconds, so not really sure if 1 more second is going to kill me Wink


Posted By: majorpdd
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 5:22pm
Originally posted by Thunderg0D Thunderg0D wrote:

" rel="nofollow -
Rock_Solid, do you know if the Z77 Extreme4's PCIE bus actually supports bifurcation or not?

I'd consider getting something like this if it'd support more than 1 card:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815548004

This spec has always confused me a little:

2 x PCI Express 3.0 x16 slots (PCIE2/PCIE3: single at x16 (PCIE2) / x8 (PCIE3) or dual at x8/x8 mode)

Hey Thunder,

I feel your pain with that one... it could do with a little better grammar!

PCIE2 = x16 Slot = x16 Capability
PCIE3 = x16 Slot = x8 Capability

If you use these slots in single mode, you get their capability.

If you use these slots together (Dual), PCIE2 = x8, PCIE3 = x8, this does not matter what is in the slot, GPU, NIC, NMVe (with adapter)... you will only get x8.




Posted By: Thunderg0D
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2018 at 6:45pm
OK, that's kind of how I was understanding it. So I'm guessing it's safe to say it probably doesn't support bifurcation to allow a multi-channel nvme card to use 2 slots (since x8 would in theory only support 2). There's not a lot of those riser cards out there, but was curious if anyone had tried one and had any luck past 1 drive working (The usual answer when bifurcation is not supported)



Posted By: B-Man
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2018 at 5:17pm
I have a Samsung 970 EVO NVME

i installed the NVME driver and cloned the windows 7 operating system

i installed the 3.00 beta bios version but after hours of stuffing around not being able to find the drive i got the 2.90Q and it shows the 970 Evo

but when i select the 970 and go to boot it says ""Bootmgr is missing Press Ctrl+Alt+Del to restart"

is this because its a clone so the boot partition is MBR instead of a GPT?

or something else?

i have had this issue before and a system repair fixed it would that work for this?
anyone have any ideas?



Posted By: B-Man
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2018 at 4:11pm
Finally just got windows 7 installed and working great! from Samsung 850 to the 970 NVME its quite noticeable very snappy

***only works with 2.90Q Bios firmware*** wouldn't work with 3.00

cant copy my MBR windows 7 partition so had to installed new.

my nLite Win7 usb wasnt bootable by UEFI so used rufus

i put my Samsung Drivers on the usb and when booting pressed F11 until i got boot menu and selected the usb stick with the UEFI heading and started installing.

once that was done i was fully installed in logged in in under 5 minutes
didn't have to change anything in bios settings it all just worked.
even left the usb in during install reboots until it had logged in


Posted By: mochifish
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2018 at 1:39am
There is no link to your pre-made bios. Can you please relink that for us?


Posted By: mochifish
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2018 at 1:42am
Originally posted by zazzn zazzn wrote:

however, if you don't want to go through the trouble you can use my pre-modified BIOS here



Can you please re-link your bios (it's not working)?


Posted By: mochifish
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2018 at 1:46am
Just found it in another Forum! Here is the address https://www.win-raid.com/t2210f44-OFFER-ASRock-Z-Extreme-NVME-booting-BIOS.html

The link is in the top post of the page. Thanks zazzn


Posted By: danvos
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2019 at 6:19pm
@ Mr-Uve


Well I did exactly how you described and bingo everything is OK.
Hardware : Asrock Z77 Extreme4 with Windows10 Pro installed on an SSD .
Bootstick installed with new Build 1809 Windows 10 Pro.
BIOS is the P 2.90 actual on the Website of Asrock. Did not use the BIOS 3.0 because not shure if this one has the ability to boot from NVME SSD.

Only litlle problem : When I want to boot from my older SSD I have to push F11 to go in the boot option menu en choose the SSD I need.So that is not a real problem.

Verifying the PCIE slots :
PCIE slot 2 (with GPU) runs at PCIE 3.0 X 8
PCIE slot 3 (with Samsung NVME 970 Evo Plus) runs at PCIE 3.0 X 4.
Speeds are approximatly for read and write 2500 MB/s measured with Samsung software Magician. Speeds from my older SSD Samsung 850 evo are about 500 MB/s so a big difference.
Yes Asrock did a good job with this motherboard, I would recommend every owner to perform the upgrade to NVME. It is realy not complicated.


Posted By: Aurum
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2019 at 6:35am
I only reg'd so I can tell after trying all the beta bios versions, I only managed to boot from NVMe drive (970 Evo Plus) with the 2.90Q which can be found here: https://www.overclock.net/forum/167-intel-bios/1598165-nvme-bios-update-asrock-z77-extreme-4-a.html
Otherwise, with all the other versions if I disabled CSM I got absolutely no options to boot from anything. If CSM is enabled, I could boot, but not from NVMe. If I overlooked something that may have caused this please let me know by replying here.


Posted By: SodaPoPDima
Date Posted: 19 May 2019 at 6:49am
Is there a possibility to get such a modification on the Extreme9 or Extreme11 series of this board?

I feel like an nvme WD Black would be my next upgrade I can possibly do.


Posted By: madyogi
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2019 at 4:27am
Hi,
This post convinced me it can be done, while I was just about to give up!

I bought some thime ago, the Sasung 970 EVO M.2 NVME card. Used it as a 2nd disk (in case it fails). At the same time I flashed my Z77extreme4 with beta 3.00 BIOS. It was running sweet.

I decided to make things NVME bootable at th weekend.
Since I'm rather a linux fan, I'm trying to set things up with use of GRUB at the moment but It's giving me a real head ache (yes, I'm aware of its compat. issues).

After reading your post, I downloaded the 2.90P BIOS. Flashed the board again, downloaded Windows 10 iso, set the ACPI CSM control to DISABLED. Having it done, I'm sure board starts the W10 DVD in UEFI mode. DVD installs okay. During 1st reboot, I entered setup screen and turned the CSM back to ENABLED, rebooted and it finished the W10 install like a charm...

I'm pretty sure, my box can be Tuxified now??;)

Thanks a lot for your post!

PS.
UEFI BOOT panel shows previously missing, Samsung 970 evo and MS boot manager entries.

PS2.
With 3.0 BIOS and grub (EFI-booted from SD card), when I entered grub's built in command prompt and issued 'ls' it showed (hd0)(hd0,gpt1)(hd0,gpt2)(hd1). All hd0* were my SD card entries and hd1 was the NVME. It wasn't able to see any partition on the hd1, though they were there (gpt layout, fat formatted EFI and reiserfs the others).


Posted By: incxbxs
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2019 at 4:58pm
I was able to install windows 10 and boot from pcie nvme ssd without any modification and problem with csm enabled.

I use this adapter --> AKASA m.2 to pcie
and this ssd --> sabrent rocket nvme ssd

after installing drive bios immediately sees sabrent inside boot menu. All you need to do is install windows10 (my version was 1903, GPT,UEFI).


Posted By: jumper-d
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2019 at 11:24am
I am a little late to the forum but I am very interested in getting this NVMe to boot. Or be usable.

So, I am now aware that it is very possible to get my Z77 Extreme4 board to recognize and boot to the NVMe drive via PCIe. I have a couple small questions, and hope that someone is still reading to answer.

I want to know what actual adapter was successful. I have a dedicated video card already installed on x16, but I understand that the x8 could still be a viable option, I just don't want to take away from the x16 lanes. I see some folks have had success with the x4 but before I do that I just wanted to know if that acceptable.

So, what adapter and what slot would be best.

Also I read the entire forum, did you all use a modified bios or was the most recent AsRock bios NVMe ready? Even though I read it this question stuck in my brain.

....thank you in advance.

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Posted By: incxbxs
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2019 at 7:35pm
You really do not need x16 unless you have 2080ti which is also dump because you never get its full potential even with 3770k oc'ed.

im using x8 with gtx 1070 and other x8 is m.2 adaptor. Im not losing any performance.


Posted By: gtom343
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 9:59am
Let me just start by saying this was NOT easy. Probably b/c I'm a newb at all this but I was finally able to piece together all of the random bits of information from everyone's posts and things that I googled online and able to boot the NVME from my Asrock Z77. In reality, I could have saved myself 1 week by spending an extra $100 to get a new MOBO with full NVME performance and a lot of headache but finally there! Just tested and the performance is awesome!

Everyone has done this with EVO disk but just getting it out there that I was able to do this with my WD-Black. I cloned using Macrium as stated by someone else, flashed with 2.9p. Did diskpart and bcdboot also. It's highly advised by just about everyone to remove your old drive and only have your new one in to bcdboot but I wasn't able to get system recovery from USB to boot so I had to do bcdboot with my old drive connected. Just be careful. Anyways, it worked! FINALLY!

CrystalDiskMark 6.0.2 x64 (C) 2007-2018 hiyohiyo
                          Crystal Dew World : https://crystalmark.info/
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* MB/s = 1,000,000 bytes/s [SATA/600 = 600,000,000 bytes/s]
* KB = 1000 bytes, KiB = 1024 bytes

   Sequential Read (Q= 32,T= 1) : 3016.974 MB/s
Sequential Write (Q= 32,T= 1) : 2543.630 MB/s
Random Read 4KiB (Q= 8,T= 8) : 1078.708 MB/s [ 263356.4 IOPS]
Random Write 4KiB (Q= 8,T= 8) :   756.081 MB/s [ 184590.1 IOPS]
Random Read 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) :   298.825 MB/s [ 72955.3 IOPS]
Random Write 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) :   207.594 MB/s [ 50682.1 IOPS]
Random Read 4KiB (Q= 1,T= 1) :    36.518 MB/s [   8915.5 IOPS]
Random Write 4KiB (Q= 1,T= 1) :   136.393 MB/s [ 33299.1 IOPS]

Test : 50 MiB [C: 47.4% (220.7/465.2 GiB)] (x5) [Interval=5 sec]
Date : 2019/10/14 21:47:30
    OS : Windows 10 [10.0 Build 18362] (x64)


Posted By: gtom343
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 10:10am
Although one wonky thing I just noticed after getting everything to run on the WD-Black is for one reason or another, I am not able to "shut down windows" Even on a forced shutdown "shut down anyway" does NOT work. Anyone else have problems with this or know what the problem is?


Posted By: jumper-d
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2019 at 10:36am
So I am very happy with the outcome so far.

I used a pci express from amazon(20$ us) by the namebrand of yateng. It supports both b&m and m style drives.

So, it was super simple. The flash to the version that supports nvme, installed the drive with adapter, booted and enabled the drive, created media with uefi. Forgot to enable the CSM support first go around...enabled and viola.

It worked. Installed 1903 in about 11 minutes.

My boot time went from 40 seconds to about 11. My average speeds for reading are 3100-3200. They were 550-600.

Very happy so far. Very.

Thanks to everyone who put in the work figuring this out.

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AsRock z77 extreme4, i7, 32GB RAM, dual 500GB SSD via SATA...Gforce 970...liquid.



Posted By: ssshake
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2019 at 9:22am
This is an old thread but very relevant to me. I would like to know / get help with doing this modification for an ASRock Fatal1ty Z77 Professional.

My system is great even though old, the biggest improvement I can do to it is getting it to boot off NVME. I have an NVME PCI card and a 1tb drive. It works fine as a secondary.

Unlike the Z77 Extreme 4, the Z77 Professional doesn't have ASRock beta firmware supporting NVME. I don't think I can just use the official Extreme 4 bios on my board even though is sounds very similar.

Thoughts, opinions?

A link to the tool I need and the driver I need would be great.

I've never done anything with customizing a bios before but I'm no stranger to picking up new things without screwing it up most of the time.

Thanks for any help.


Posted By: pr0cesor
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2019 at 8:34pm
Hi guys,

Where do you guys find the CSM for z77 Extreme4? I have installed 2.90P first and didn't see it in the Boot settings at the bottom. Then I installed the 2.90Q and also cannot find it.

I didn't have any issues flashing the Bios as later the Bios version says 2.90Q. Im confused why I can't see the CSM option in my Bios.

Should I be concerned? I am about to install my M2. SSD + PCIe adapter this week.


Posted By: BSchex
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2019 at 6:09am
I have tried to get an M2 NVME drive to be recognized using the guides I've found. As of yet no luck. I am using a pcie card with the M2 mounted on the card. I did get a 500 gig (same brand HP) to be recognized. I can't remember for the life of me how I did it. I need to expand my boot drive so this is a 2TB drive.


Posted By: BSchex
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2019 at 10:51am
Turns out the drive was DOA. HP EX950 M.2 2280 2TB PCle Gen3 x4, NVMe1.3 3D NAND Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) 5MS24AA#ABC. I purchase it at Newegg. We'll see how fast they can turn it around.


Posted By: gtom343
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2019 at 8:41pm
Question for the guys who cloned Windows with Macrium. I cloned Windows with Macrium and and had to do the whole bcdboot modification, etc.. to get it to boot into UEFI. Now however, I am trying to download and create bootable Windows 10 with Windows Media Tool and I run into issues with my drive not being able to boot. Is this an issue of creating a Legacy MBR bootable disk unknowingly? Is that possible or are both UEFI and Legacy created on the disk?

When I try to boot it gives me an option to boot Legacy or UEFI from the USB.
I select UEFI but when I've tried I always get a BSOD for winload.exe missing or something similar. Anyone know what the issue may be? Need to re-install as I believe my Windows got corrupted from an Overclock/bad PSU.


Posted By: itsthesmell
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2019 at 8:50am
There is a beta bios for nvme drives, its 1.70e and asrock support sent it to me. Im struggling to get it going, i cant add a boot windows boot loader to my boot options. Can anyone point me how to do this? I can see my ssd once inside windows and i can install windows onto it but i cant select it at boot.


Posted By: itsthesmell
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2019 at 12:58am
Im still unable to get my corsair mp510 nvme drive to boot. I contacted asrock to see if they had a more upto date bios. They replied 2 days later saying they cant see why it doesnt work so they asked their engineers to make an official nvme bios and here it is: 1.90a. Astonishing customer service. Im buying asrock with every build from now on. Thanks guys.

Ive bought another adapter so i will wait for that to arrive before installing 1.90a.


Posted By: SSgtWeasel
Date Posted: 13 May 2020 at 11:48pm
Attempting to replace existing Samsung 850 SSD (SATA3_A0) with 970 EVO

Recently Purchased:
YATENG NVME Adapter PCIe x16 with Heat Sink, M.2 SSD Key M to PCI Express Expansion Card
Samsung (MZ-V7E1T0BW) 970 EVO SSD 1TB - M.2 NVMe Interface Internal Solid State Drive with V-NAND Technology, Black/Red

Questions:
Will I take away the PCIE2 3.0 speed from my new RTX2060 if using x16 slot for new EVO 970 with adapter? I plan to use PCIE3 3.0 slot that only supports 8x I believe?
What should the BIOS setting be for both PCIE2 and PCIE3?

NOTE: Replaced recent MSI GeForce (N760 TF 2GD5/OC760 TF 2GD5/OC) with New NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER used PCIE2 x16 slot 1 and set BIOS to PCIE 3.x

Current Platform Specs
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770 CPU @ 3.40GHz, 3401 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)     
BIOS Version/Date: American Megatrends Inc. P3.00, 3/12/2018      - Have the latest BETA Bios from Asus website instlaled
SMBIOS Version     2.7     
BIOS Mode     Legacy     
BaseBoard Manufacturer     ASRock     
BaseBoard Product     Z77 Extreme4
Video Card = EVGA GeForce RTX 2060 Super SC Black Gaming, 8GB GDDR6, Dual Fans, 08G-P4-3062-KR
Hard drive C: = Samsung SSD 850 EVO SATA3 6bg/s per application (latest firmware) ACHI activated. Rapid and trim enabled. SATA3_A0
OS Name     Microsoft Windows 10 Pro     
Version     10.0.18363 Build 18363     


Posted By: drakon8000
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2020 at 12:38am
latest Bios P3.0 3/12/2018 support NVME ?
or need only Bios version 2.90P


Posted By: B-Man
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2020 at 11:54am
2.90p was the only one that worked for me


Posted By: B-Man
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2020 at 12:00pm
2.90Q I Meant. The 3.00 disnt show my nvme drive.
Just keep trying sonething until it works


Posted By: rockherbie
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2021 at 11:08pm
Hi guys, I use a Z77 Extreme 4M(the small brother to the Extreme 4) and installed a NVME PCI-E SSD with an adapter in the PCI e 3.0 slot these days. No problem with the installing process. Windows 10 pro shows this as regular drive and I can use it as data storage. On the other hand the Bios doesn`t show the NVME drive (which is due to the missing NVme element) and I can`t therefore boot from it. It was interesting to see that for the Extreme 4 Bios there is a NVME part included already - so my questions are:

Is there a solution for the Extreme 4M - the actual Bios version is 1.90£

Can I possibly use the Extreme 4 Bios on my board - since both boards are very similar£

Can an expert possibly modify the 1.90 Bios that I can use my NVME ssd for booting£

Thank you-


Posted By: crileo
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2021 at 12:49pm
Hello ZAZZN, I'm interested to your mod bios but I cannot see your link for downloading....can you help me£


Posted By: moxie2020
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2021 at 12:32pm
pre-modified BIOS where££


Posted By: ploink
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2021 at 9:41pm
You can boot Windows from NVME on any 64bit mainboard without NVME support if you install the https://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/" rel="nofollow - rEFIind boot manager with the NvmExpressDxe.efi driver on usb stick and boot it. Refind can then chainload windows or any other OS you have installed.

That said, I installed the NVME on a z77 Extreme 4 mainboard without needing the usb stick solution.

This is what I did.
- Flash the https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z77%20Extreme4/#BIOS" rel="nofollow - 2.90P beta Bios .
- Install the NVME hardware
- Boot into windows to let it install the driver and check that nvme works.
- Convert the windows boot disk to GPT (in case it is MBR).
- Disable CSM in Bios/firmware setup (in Advanced->ACPI configuration). You should never need it again as the system is now GPT.
- Install the free version of https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree" rel="nofollow - Macrium Reflect and clone the entire boot disk to NVME. Note it is possible to resize the windows partition while cloning to fill the disk, but every time I try, I have to work out how to do that. Reflect is not very intuitive with this.
- After the clone, SHUTDOWN and unplug mains. DO NOT REBOOT until you have physically disconnected the old boot disk. Having two clones of the same OS during boot can seriously confuse windows.

I am not 100% sure the GPT/CSM steps are required, but it worked for me.


Posted By: Bugstomper
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2021 at 12:02am
Ploink,

Thank you taking the time to post your experience. I am a late adapter and recent post inspired me. Unfortunately, I presently dual boot with XP and must boot Win 10 in MBR, giving me fits or making it impossible to boot to NVMe drive.

What is the name of the device you boot to in the firmware settings?



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