Thunderbolt 4 / USB4 questions
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Topic: Thunderbolt 4 / USB4 questions
Posted By: M440
Subject: Thunderbolt 4 / USB4 questions
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2024 at 7:41pm
hello,
is Asrock working on a Thunderbolt 4 / USB4 expansion card with ~100W power delivery?
what it the performance of the ASMedia ASM4242 comparing to Intel JHL8540? (especially regarding pcie tuneling)
what is the pinout of tb header?
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Posted By: M440
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2024 at 5:20am
any news at Computex 2024 on the matter?
will we have ASM4242 dedicated card from ASrock?
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asrock b650m/hdv.m2, ryzen 7700x@85watt
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Posted By: M440
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2024 at 2:12pm
any ASM 4242 card will work (without connecting the tb connector) ?!
can somebody clarify this?
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Posted By: M440
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2024 at 9:26pm
I got an Asus USB4 card to test. It came with a latest firmware v1002 (it said so when i tried to update the firmware using their windows software, the windows drivers were not installed). It costs $100 or 90euro in EU.
Short story: it does not work and im returning it.
The data, hotplug work in linux out of the box, but power delivery seems blocked. It would charge a phone with very low current - 5 hours to charge 3500mah battery phone. In windows 11 it does not work at all - wont install drivers by itself, wont work on win10 drivers. I tested both PCIE slots.
There is a menu in 3.06 BIOS regarding USB4. When I enabled 'thunderbolt' in the other bios submenu, the board would bootloop.
Below are pictures and logs.
I packed the card, but if you have any questions or ideas - i'll have it for a day or two more, so write.
As for the card itself - the cover is metal, not plastic. I thought it was plastic from the photos. Not much more I can say, because it is blocked. I think i prefer the MSI design with 100W PD for 1 slot (and not split 60w+60w like in Asus card) and bigger radiator for the chip.
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38:00.0 USB controller: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 2425 (rev 01) (prog-if 40 [USB4 Host Interface])
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 2425
Flags: fast devsel, IRQ 39, IOMMU group 17
Memory at c4000000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256K]
Memory at c4040000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
Capabilities: [50] MSI: Enable- Count=1/8 Maskable- 64bit+
Capabilities: [68] MSI-X: Enable- Count=16 Masked-
Capabilities: [78] Power Management version 3
Capabilities: [80] Express Legacy Endpoint, IntMsgNum 0
Capabilities: [100] Advanced Error Reporting
Capabilities: [160] Latency Tolerance Reporting
Capabilities: [178] Device Serial Number
Kernel modules: thunderbolt
> sudo lspci -v -k | rg ASM
01:00.0 PCI bridge: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 2421 (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 2421
Capabilities: [c0] Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 2421
02:00.0 PCI bridge: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 2423 (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 2423
Capabilities: [c0] Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 2423
02:01.0 PCI bridge: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 2423 (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 2423
Capabilities: [c0] Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 2423
02:02.0 PCI bridge: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 2423 (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 2423
Capabilities: [c0] Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 2423
02:03.0 PCI bridge: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 2423 (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 2423
Capabilities: [c0] Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 2423
37:00.0 USB controller: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 2426 (rev 01) (prog-if 30 [XHCI])
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 2426
38:00.0 USB controller: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 2425 (rev 01) (prog-if 40 [USB4 Host Interface])
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 2425
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 3328
Capabilities: [c0] Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 3328
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 3328
Capabilities: [c0] Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 3328
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 3328
Capabilities: [c0] Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 3328
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 3328
Capabilities: [c0] Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 3328
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 3328
Capabilities: [c0] Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 3328
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 3328
Capabilities: [c0] Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 3328
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 3328
Capabilities: [c0] Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 3328
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 3328
Capabilities: [c0] Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 3328
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 3328
Capabilities: [c0] Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 3328
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 3328
Capabilities: [c0] Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 3328
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 3328
Capabilities: [c0] Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 3328
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 1142
Subsystem: ASMedia Technology Inc. Device 1062
> sudo lsusb -v
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Device Descriptor:
bLength 18
bDescriptorType 1
bcdUSB 2.00
bDeviceClass 9 Hub
bDeviceSubClass 0 [unknown]
bDeviceProtocol 1 Single TT
bMaxPacketSize0 64
idVendor 0x1d6b Linux Foundation
idProduct 0x0002 2.0 root hub
bcdDevice 6.10
iManufacturer 3 Linux 6.10.3-zen1-2-zen xhci-hcd
iProduct 2 xHCI Host Controller
iSerial 1 0000:37:00.0
bNumConfigurations 1
Configuration Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 2
wTotalLength 0x0019
bNumInterfaces 1
bConfigurationValue 1
iConfiguration 0
bmAttributes 0xe0
Self Powered
Remote Wakeup
MaxPower 0mA
Interface Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 0
bAlternateSetting 0
bNumEndpoints 1
bInterfaceClass 9 Hub
bInterfaceSubClass 0 [unknown]
bInterfaceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
iInterface 0
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN
bmAttributes 3
Transfer Type Interrupt
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0004 1x 4 bytes
bInterval 12
Hub Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 41
nNbrPorts 2
wHubCharacteristic 0x000a
No power switching (usb 1.0)
Per-port overcurrent protection
TT think time 8 FS bits
bPwrOn2PwrGood 10 * 2 milli seconds
bHubContrCurrent 0 milli Ampere
DeviceRemovable 0x00
PortPwrCtrlMask 0xff
Hub Port Status:
Port 1: 0000.0503 highspeed power enable connect
Port 2: 0000.0100 power
Device Status: 0x0001
Self Powered
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04e8:6860 Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd Galaxy series, misc. (MTP mode)
Device Descriptor:
bLength 18
bDescriptorType 1
bcdUSB 2.10
bDeviceClass 0 [unknown]
bDeviceSubClass 0 [unknown]
bDeviceProtocol 0
bMaxPacketSize0 64
idVendor 0x04e8 Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd
idProduct 0x6860 Galaxy series, misc. (MTP mode)
bcdDevice c.00
iManufacturer 1 SAMSUNG
iProduct 2 SAMSUNG_Android
iSerial 3 23aac2bc29017ece
bNumConfigurations 2
Configuration Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 2
wTotalLength 0x002f
bNumInterfaces 1
bConfigurationValue 1
iConfiguration 4 Conf 1
bmAttributes 0xc0
Self Powered
MaxPower 64mA
Interface Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 0
bAlternateSetting 0
bNumEndpoints 3
bInterfaceClass 6 Imaging
bInterfaceSubClass 1 Still Image Capture
bInterfaceProtocol 1 Picture Transfer Protocol (PIMA 15470)
iInterface 5 MTP
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN
bmAttributes 2
Transfer Type Bulk
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 1x 512 bytes
bInterval 0
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x01 EP 1 OUT
bmAttributes 2
Transfer Type Bulk
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 1x 512 bytes
bInterval 1
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x82 EP 2 IN
bmAttributes 3
Transfer Type Interrupt
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x001c 1x 28 bytes
bInterval 6
INTERFACE CLASS: 08 24 80 0c 00 01 00 01
Configuration Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 2
wTotalLength 0x0088
bNumInterfaces 4
bConfigurationValue 2
iConfiguration 4 Conf 1
bmAttributes 0xc0
Self Powered
MaxPower 64mA
Interface Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 0
bAlternateSetting 0
bNumEndpoints 3
bInterfaceClass 6 Imaging
bInterfaceSubClass 1 Still Image Capture
bInterfaceProtocol 1 Picture Transfer Protocol (PIMA 15470)
iInterface 5 MTP
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN
bmAttributes 2
Transfer Type Bulk
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 1x 512 bytes
bInterval 0
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x01 EP 1 OUT
bmAttributes 2
Transfer Type Bulk
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 1x 512 bytes
bInterval 1
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x82 EP 2 IN
bmAttributes 3
Transfer Type Interrupt
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x001c 1x 28 bytes
bInterval 6
INTERFACE CLASS: 08 24 80 0c 00 01 00 01
Interface Association:
bLength 8
bDescriptorType 11
bFirstInterface 1
bInterfaceCount 2
bFunctionClass 2 Communications
bFunctionSubClass 2 Abstract (modem)
bFunctionProtocol 1 AT-commands (v.25ter)
iFunction 8 CDC Serial
Interface Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 1
bAlternateSetting 0
bNumEndpoints 1
bInterfaceClass 2 Communications
bInterfaceSubClass 2 Abstract (modem)
bInterfaceProtocol 1 AT-commands (v.25ter)
iInterface 6 CDC Abstract Control Model (ACM)
CDC Header:
bcdCDC 1.10
CDC Call Management:
bmCapabilities 0x00
bDataInterface 2
CDC ACM:
bmCapabilities 0x02
line coding and serial state
CDC Union:
bMasterInterface 1
bSlaveInterface 2
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x84 EP 4 IN
bmAttributes 3
Transfer Type Interrupt
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x000a 1x 10 bytes
bInterval 9
Interface Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 2
bAlternateSetting 0
bNumEndpoints 2
bInterfaceClass 10 CDC Data
bInterfaceSubClass 0 [unknown]
bInterfaceProtocol 0
iInterface 7 CDC ACM Data
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x83 EP 3 IN
bmAttributes 2
Transfer Type Bulk
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 1x 512 bytes
bInterval 0
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x02 EP 2 OUT
bmAttributes 2
Transfer Type Bulk
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 1x 512 bytes
bInterval 0
Interface Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 3
bAlternateSetting 0
bNumEndpoints 2
bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class
bInterfaceSubClass 64 [unknown]
bInterfaceProtocol 2
iInterface 0
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x85 EP 5 IN
bmAttributes 2
Transfer Type Bulk
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 1x 512 bytes
bInterval 0
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x03 EP 3 OUT
bmAttributes 2
Transfer Type Bulk
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0200 1x 512 bytes
bInterval 0
Binary Object Store Descriptor:
bLength 5
bDescriptorType 15
wTotalLength 0x0016
bNumDeviceCaps 2
USB 2.0 Extension Device Capability:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 16
bDevCapabilityType 2
bmAttributes 0x00000000
(Missing must-be-set LPM bit!)
SuperSpeed USB Device Capability:
bLength 10
bDescriptorType 16
bDevCapabilityType 3
bmAttributes 0x00
wSpeedsSupported 0x000f
Device can operate at Low Speed (1Mbps)
Device can operate at Full Speed (12Mbps)
Device can operate at High Speed (480Mbps)
Device can operate at SuperSpeed (5Gbps)
bFunctionalitySupport 1
Lowest fully-functional device speed is Full Speed (12Mbps)
bU1DevExitLat 1 micro seconds
bU2DevExitLat 500 micro seconds
Device Status: 0x0001
Self Powered
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
Device Descriptor:
bLength 18
bDescriptorType 1
bcdUSB 3.10
bDeviceClass 9 Hub
bDeviceSubClass 0 [unknown]
bDeviceProtocol 3
bMaxPacketSize0 9
idVendor 0x1d6b Linux Foundation
idProduct 0x0003 3.0 root hub
bcdDevice 6.10
iManufacturer 3 Linux 6.10.3-zen1-2-zen xhci-hcd
iProduct 2 xHCI Host Controller
iSerial 1 0000:37:00.0
bNumConfigurations 1
Configuration Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 2
wTotalLength 0x001f
bNumInterfaces 1
bConfigurationValue 1
iConfiguration 0
bmAttributes 0xe0
Self Powered
Remote Wakeup
MaxPower 0mA
Interface Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 0
bAlternateSetting 0
bNumEndpoints 1
bInterfaceClass 9 Hub
bInterfaceSubClass 0 [unknown]
bInterfaceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub
iInterface 0
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN
bmAttributes 3
Transfer Type Interrupt
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0004 1x 4 bytes
bInterval 12
bMaxBurst 0
Binary Object Store Descriptor:
bLength 5
bDescriptorType 15
wTotalLength 0x003b
bNumDeviceCaps 2
SuperSpeed USB Device Capability:
bLength 10
bDescriptorType 16
bDevCapabilityType 3
bmAttributes 0x00
wSpeedsSupported 0x0008
Device can operate at SuperSpeed (5Gbps)
bFunctionalitySupport 1
Lowest fully-functional device speed is Full Speed (12Mbps)
bU1DevExitLat 0 micro seconds
bU2DevExitLat 0 micro seconds
SuperSpeedPlus USB Device Capability:
bLength 44
bDescriptorType 16
bDevCapabilityType 10
bmAttributes 0x00000067
Sublink Speed Attribute count 8
Sublink Speed ID count 4
wFunctionalitySupport 0x1104
Min functional Speed Attribute ID: 4
Min functional RX lanes: 1
Min functional TX lanes: 1
bmSublinkSpeedAttr[0] 0x00050034
Speed Attribute ID: 4 5Gb/s Symmetric RX SuperSpeed
bmSublinkSpeedAttr[1] 0x000500b4
Speed Attribute ID: 4 5Gb/s Symmetric TX SuperSpeed
bmSublinkSpeedAttr[2] 0x000a4035
Speed Attribute ID: 5 10Gb/s Symmetric RX SuperSpeedPlus
bmSublinkSpeedAttr[3] 0x000a40b5
Speed Attribute ID: 5 10Gb/s Symmetric TX SuperSpeedPlus
bmSublinkSpeedAttr[4] 0x00054036
Speed Attribute ID: 6 5Gb/s Symmetric RX SuperSpeedPlus
bmSublinkSpeedAttr[5] 0x000540b6
Speed Attribute ID: 6 5Gb/s Symmetric TX SuperSpeedPlus
bmSublinkSpeedAttr[6] 0x000a4037
Speed Attribute ID: 7 10Gb/s Symmetric RX SuperSpeedPlus
bmSublinkSpeedAttr[7] 0x000a40b7
Speed Attribute ID: 7 10Gb/s Symmetric TX SuperSpeedPlus
Hub Descriptor:
bLength 12
bDescriptorType 42
nNbrPorts 2
wHubCharacteristic 0x000a
No power switching (usb 1.0)
Per-port overcurrent protection
bPwrOn2PwrGood 50 * 2 milli seconds
bHubContrCurrent 0 milli Ampere
bHubDecLat 0.0 micro seconds
wHubDelay 0 nano seconds
DeviceRemovable 0x00
Hub Port Status:
Port 1: 0000.02a0 5Gbps power Rx.Detect
Port 2: 0000.0203 5Gbps power U0 enable connect
Ext Status: 0000.0044
RX Speed Attribute ID: 4 Lanes: 1
TX Speed Attribute ID: 4 Lanes: 1
Device Status: 0x0001
Self Powered
Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0781:55ab SanDisk Corp. SanDisk 3.2Gen1
Device Descriptor:
bLength 18
bDescriptorType 1
bcdUSB 3.20
bDeviceClass 0 [unknown]
bDeviceSubClass 0 [unknown]
bDeviceProtocol 0
bMaxPacketSize0 9
idVendor 0x0781 SanDisk Corp.
idProduct 0x55ab SanDisk 3.2Gen1
bcdDevice 1.00
iManufacturer 1 USB
iProduct 2 SanDisk 3.2Gen1
iSerial 3 010175fee398b94a143a13a664804bb55a386a83265e660b5fb168ebab9b1673d725000000000000000000003f93fbd4ff172300ab558107b0a95aca
bNumConfigurations 1
Configuration Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 2
wTotalLength 0x002c
bNumInterfaces 1
bConfigurationValue 1
iConfiguration 0
bmAttributes 0x80
(Bus Powered)
MaxPower 896mA
Interface Descriptor:
bLength 9
bDescriptorType 4
bInterfaceNumber 0
bAlternateSetting 0
bNumEndpoints 2
bInterfaceClass 8 Mass Storage
bInterfaceSubClass 6 SCSI
bInterfaceProtocol 80 Bulk-Only
iInterface 0
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN
bmAttributes 2
Transfer Type Bulk
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0400 1x 1024 bytes
bInterval 0
bMaxBurst 1
Endpoint Descriptor:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 5
bEndpointAddress 0x02 EP 2 OUT
bmAttributes 2
Transfer Type Bulk
Synch Type None
Usage Type Data
wMaxPacketSize 0x0400 1x 1024 bytes
bInterval 0
bMaxBurst 15
Binary Object Store Descriptor:
bLength 5
bDescriptorType 15
wTotalLength 0x0016
bNumDeviceCaps 2
USB 2.0 Extension Device Capability:
bLength 7
bDescriptorType 16
bDevCapabilityType 2
bmAttributes 0x00000002
HIRD Link Power Management (LPM) Supported
SuperSpeed USB Device Capability:
bLength 10
bDescriptorType 16
bDevCapabilityType 3
bmAttributes 0x00
wSpeedsSupported 0x000e
Device can operate at Full Speed (12Mbps)
Device can operate at High Speed (480Mbps)
Device can operate at SuperSpeed (5Gbps)
bFunctionalitySupport 1
Lowest fully-functional device speed is Full Speed (12Mbps)
bU1DevExitLat 10 micro seconds
bU2DevExitLat 256 micro seconds
Device Status: 0x0000
(Bus Powered)
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Posted By: Johnny9970
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2024 at 3:21pm
Hi there.
I want to share my peripheral devices between Desktop PC and Laptop. I do that with a ThinkPad Dockingstation.
Now my question. Is it possible to use the Dockingstation with the ASRock Thunderbolt 4 AIC on the ASRock X670E PG lightning with a RTX 2070 Super?
Thanks in adanvance.
Johnny
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Posted By: M440
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2024 at 6:02pm
 Johnny9970 wrote:
Hi there.
I want to share my peripheral devices between Desktop PC and Laptop. I do that with a ThinkPad Dockingstation.
Now my question. Is it possible to use the Dockingstation with the ASRock Thunderbolt 4 AIC on the ASRock X670E PG lightning with a RTX 2070 Super?
Thanks in adanvance.
Johnny |
hello,
what interface is the ThinkPad Dockingstation? what is the controller?
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Posted By: mAxius
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2024 at 12:48pm
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USB4 support just came to windows 11 with the just released 2h24 update.
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Posted By: M440
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2024 at 5:17am
mAxius wrote:
USB4 support just came to windows 11 with the just released 2h24 update. |
thanks for the info. Unfortunately i returned the card and have no way to test.
Waiting for a product with ASM USB4 controller compatible with Asrock boards..
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