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970a-g/3.1 + GTX1070 = pcie 1.1

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Topic: 970a-g/3.1 + GTX1070 = pcie 1.1

Posted By: Zirw
Subject: 970a-g/3.1 + GTX1070 = pcie 1.1
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2017 at 3:15am

" rel="nofollow - Hello. My PC: CPU FX8350, CPU cooler DeepCool ASSASSIN II, DIMM Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600 16gb, 1070 GTX graphics card, HDD ST3000DM001-1E616, power 850W. In the food chain and bridges installed additional cooling. I have a problem with acceleration FX8350 at 970a-g / 3.1. When accelerating through the «OC mode» version pcie video card is reduced to 1.1. I simply switch to auto mode and do not even get me anything 1.1. The same thing happens if «Overclocking mode» menu, select the manual mode! That is, even without changing the default value of a card simply by switching mode indicator begins to be determined as pcie 1.1.

And it does not change under load. I tried to turn off all power-saving function does not work. If in the «OC mode» menu choose the manual, and «Overclocking mode» menu choose auto is entirely normal, and the video card is defined as pcie 2.0. If overclocking through ASRock eXtreme Tuner, then that is no problem! But I'd like to overclock via the bios. It turns out to disperse through the bios without losing version pcie? I can not ??It grieves me very much! I dropped CMOS and even pulled out the battery from the motherboard. To flash bios to the office site. I tried another card and another processor FX8370, reinstalled OS, but the problem remains! I really hope for your help!

Tech support ignores the question. Only their recommendations, it is clear the CMOS and change the CPU cooler.

Sorry for my English.

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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2017 at 6:25am

" rel="nofollow - And lemme guess. This 1.1 is displayed in GPU-z?

Posted By: Zirw
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2017 at 7:20am

Yes. Displayed in the GPU-Z and AIDA64 under load without changes! One has only to select the auto mode and all at once OK. If overclocking of the windows then there are no such problems! But the overclocking of OS :)

Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2017 at 7:38am

" rel="nofollow - Press on the ? to the right of "Bus Interface" in GPU-z.

Too, since you haven't talked of, I'll also assume even showing 1.1 your benchmarking that you've been doing isn't showing anything of worry. ie: benches look good

Posted By: Zirw
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2017 at 7:54am

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I clicked on? in cpu-z and nothing has changed during the test. In the games I lose from 25 to 35 FPS mode 1.1. I checked in games without overclocking mode just 1.1 and 2.0, and it showed me a tangible difference :( I do not like the impossibility to overclock my FX8350. When you try to overclock by multiplier I get the same problem. That is how I had not clocked the processor, the graphics card becomes 1.1 mode. I checked with GTX780ti and got the same problem. Even I borrowed a friend's FX8370 processor and it did not help. I have an excellent cooler and supply chain bridges and cooled. That is the whole problem in the bios! Since when accelerating through the OS no such problems! Just on my old motherboard chipset on the 970, I had no such problems, but it was easier and had a 4-phase power, which did not allow to overclock the processor above 4.2GHz. I decided to purchase 970a-g / 3.1 only for the sake of acceleration and what I got? :)

P.S. Here on the forum there is a topic with similar problems, but with the 990 chipset and GTX1060. So I believe that this is not a marriage, and the shortcomings bios motherboard cards!

Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2017 at 8:29am

List your GTX 1070's Make and Model Number please. And it's BIOS revision too.

Posted By: Zirw
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2017 at 8:41am

Zotac GTX1070 mini ZT-P10700G-10M bios 86.04.50.00.65

Only I wrote my friend, he bought along with me 970A-g/3.1 today, he bought a new video card gigabyte gtx1060 mini before he had a video card is the Radeon. He says that he has the same problem that I have its processor FX6350.

Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2017 at 9:55am

Windows key + X key > Run > powercfg.cpl > "Change plan setting" for your chosen plan > Change advanced power settings > PCI Express > Link State Power Management > change to Off > click Apply

Then run the Render Test in GPU-z

Posted By: Zirw
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2017 at 6:31pm

I did it. I also included the maximum performance mode in NVIDIA settings, but these actions do not help!

Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2017 at 7:41pm

Meh, all of ASRock just began the Chinese New Year.

FWIW atm:
http://event.asrock.com/tsd.asp" rel="nofollow - http://event.asrock.com/tsd.asp

I'm stumped.

Posted By: Zirw
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2017 at 7:57pm

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I already wrote in the support. He wrote there still before came to your forum. Their recommendations are to replace the CPU fan and reset CMOS. Questions they do not respond with a new connected bios or my problem. Write them again do not want to, because I rely not get back, something new! Thank you for trying to help me :) It's a pity that the problem was not solved. I hope you can like it isparavit? This problem occurs not only in the 970 and 990 chipsets AsRock. I hope you and for its part can send the report where you want to!?

Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2017 at 4:07am

Capture a GPU-z screenshot while running it's Render Test and post it here if you would please

Posted By: Zirw
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2017 at 4:28am

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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2017 at 4:40am

hehehe Good thing I recognize what is shown. My Cyrillic sux. Embarrassed

Posted By: Zirw
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2017 at 4:50am

" rel="nofollow - Little did not understand you. You will be translated into English? I have yet to speak bad English :( PCIe Power Management is turned off. In the settings is NVIDIA maximum performance.

Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2017 at 5:00am

We're communicating just fine. No need to change languages.

Posted By: Zirw
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2017 at 1:36am

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Hello. For the holidays passed. I thought that I would get a response after them. In support, I wrote, but they do not respond. Here, too, none of those are no promotions. Can they count on an updated bios for this model mat board?

Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2017 at 6:03am

If this is an upgrade GPU (you had one before this one) on that board then you might want to try removing the GPU and checking the slot for dust and debris.

Then reseat the card firmly and try again. I had this issue myself on an older board once and it was solved by reseating the CPU after cleaning the slot out.

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Posted By: Zirw
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2017 at 4:31am

I did the first thing. The fact is that if you do not overclock the bus, then this is no problem! In the next topic in humans the same problem with the 1060 GTX 990 chipset and also when accelerating on the bus :) At the same time, even if I just put in the manual, the card is immediately determined as 1.1!

Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2017 at 4:42am

Why, and more importantly how high are you OC'ing the bus.

Posted By: Zirw
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2017 at 4:53pm

In fact of the matter is that even if we overclock the bus to 1MHz, I get 1.1. It's not breaking up! The fact that the transition to the manual mode, no acceleration occurs the same as the card becomes 1.1. I wrote about it on the last page!

Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2017 at 5:10pm

Thanks for the info. It looks to be a safety feature of some kind that is locking the PCIe mode to 1.1 in the event the bus is overclocked.

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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2017 at 6:14pm

May I suggest some reading material:
https://www.amd.com/Documents/AMD_FX_Performance_Tuning_Guide.pdf

Hint: pay close attention to what the top slider is referencing:
(Pic lifted from the OPs 970A-G/3.1 Manual)

Posted By: Zirw
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2017 at 9:28pm

To begin with, I wrote that I have good cooling. And housing and food chains and bridges north and south! I put extra cooler! Next, I wrote that if you overclock through the program, these signs are not present! This manual I read, and to read it many similar articles and forums branches. So, how to overclock even I know :) The point is accelerating, and that the bios itself is very curve. It contains a lot of mistakes. By monitoring the voltage and coolers, coolers control to malfunction. Just bios starts without overclocking processor 1.4-1.45v stress though that works perfectly on 1.25 :) If this does not fix the mat board is strongly heated. On 1.4 I quietly take 4.5GHz without heating. I again drew attention. What is this problem only occurs on the motherboard of your company! I am 100% sure that the case in bios / But helpdesk, and ignores my emails and letters to my friend with a similar problem. My friend and I have the same motherboard, but we have different processors and graphics cards, but the problem is the same! We tried our processors and graphics cards in other motherboards, and this problem does not arise. You can drive the bus and the graphics card is still 2.0. The seller agreed to the exchange. And we found out that all the boards of your company there is a problem. I was offered an exchange, but I do not want another motherboard, as it picked up a body for the color and location of connectors. Seller promised to write a letter in support. According to the seller, it is the fault of the motherboard bios.

Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2017 at 9:59pm

" rel="nofollow - Your post is a little hard to understand but what I think you are saying is this:

When you overclock using the BCLK in BIOS it locks your PCIe bus to version 1.1

If you overclock the BCLK/Bus using A-Tuning from within windows this does not happen and the PCIe slots increase to version 2.0 when stresses as they should.

Is this correct?

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Posted By: Zirw
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2017 at 10:14pm

Yes, you understood me correctly! Once again, sorry for my english.

Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2017 at 10:18pm

No problem at all, I will pass this information along to Tech Support myself too. Technically this isn't a fault as overclocking is not technically covered by any manufacturer. I will pass it along anyway and hopefully we will get an answer.

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Posted By: Zirw
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2017 at 9:08pm

" rel="nofollow - Thank you so much! I'll wait. Hopefully with the other problems will be solved updating bios, fan speed control and work with four memory modules frequency above 1600.

Tech support me and did not answer. My friend he wrote about a similar problem, but he did not answer them. I understand that we ignore? I wonder if there is any hope of that, the fact that we help? What do you want the answer from support?

Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2017 at 10:38pm

I have not had an answer yet with Ryzen being prepped for launch my contacts are busy at the moment but I did talk to a number of AMD enthusiasts and they informed me that this is not an uncommon issue and that it is done on purpose. Running an FX system with an altered BCLK can cause minor instabilities even at lower frequencies, 101 - 105, that the system and OS correct for and you will never notice. This seems all well and good until they compound and cause more major issues or potentially damage hardware.

From what I was told it is best to stick to multiplier overclocking and leave the BCLK at stock, while you may be able to eek out a few extra mhz it apparently isn't enough to be concerned over and certainly isn't worth the compounding issues tied to the PCIe bus speed and other connected components. I suspect the reason this issue is ignored is because it isn't technically a flaw or a bug, it is by design to protect the user. I am still hoping for a reply and will follow up again after Ryzen's launch but I may not get a response at least nothing better than what I just described.

The moral is, the system works as intended at stock and with multiplier overclocks. If tweaking the BCLK breaks something then don't tweak the BCLK.

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Posted By: Zirw
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2017 at 3:36am

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Thanks for the answer. Yes, you are right on the factor I have achieved stable operation at 4.5Ghz. Could you answer one more question? Normal Do FX8350 for temperature stress testing under a load of 65 degrees? In games I have maximum 62 degrees, but only in a pair of games, games in temperature generally not higher than 55 degrees. Is this normal?

Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2017 at 3:48am

" rel="nofollow - 62 is about the upper limit for sustained load. Ideally you would want to lower that a little. It won't likely damage your CPU but it could shorten it's lifespan if you experience these temps frequently.

Is this on an aftermarket cooler or the stock boxed cooler? You may want to look at getting a better cooler.

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Posted By: Zirw
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2017 at 3:55am

I have a great cooler DeepCool ASSASSIN II. And basically the temperature does not exceed 55 degrees, but in the stress tests, and rarely in severe stages of games reaches 62 degrees. No, I do not think I will use this processor for a long time, because with the advent razen updated and mat board and processor.At the same time my processor overclocked to 4.5Ghz.

Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2017 at 4:24am

If it is only peaking at those temps briefly then that is perfectly fine. Under a more sustained load you want to aim for under 60c but brief peaks into the 60 - 65 region are not going to hurt anything Wink

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Posted By: Zirw
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2017 at 8:40am

" rel="nofollow - Thanks for the answer. Today noted that bus clock can be raised to 204.5Mhz itself. Similarly, the frequency of the North Bridge arbitrarily raised to 2,250, and the frequency of HT until 2450. Is this normal? I like that there is the first time! I understand that the frequency of the Northbridge and HT rises due to increasing BUS clock. It also affects the frequency of my processor.