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Topic: GPU Booting Problem
Posted By: sleepyhead
Subject: GPU Booting Problem
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2017 at 11:51am
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Hi, one week ago I have bought an GPU - Gigabyte Radeon RX 460 Windforce OC - which I installed on my - ASRock H81M-VG4(BIOS P1.50) - motherboard.

MOBO - http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H81M-VG4/
GPU - http://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-RX460WF2OC-2GD

The problem is while I boot the computer using the RX 460.
It won't show the POST Screen and won't boot to windows loading screen(Its simply giving me a black screen and stay that way) unless I swap the RX 460 with my old GT 630.
While using the RX 460, computer shuts down instantly when pressing the power button (usually I think it should take around 4-5 seconds).

After I changed the RX 460 with the GT 630, It succesfully shows the POST Screen and I can use the BIOS so I can go to CSM and disable it then shut down the computer, remove the GT 630 from the PCIe slot, put the RX 460 back into the PCIe slot and it kinda works.

It does boot with CSM Disabled.

When it boots with CSM Disabled I hear 3-4 beeps and after those beeps a message shows up on the screen saying :


When I took this picture the bios version was P1.30 I succesfully updated it to P1.50 yesterday.

I press F1 and It does boot using the RX 460.
It works perfectly, without a problem untill I gotta shutdown the PC thats when CSM its getting set back to Enabled automatically..

Please can you guys help me do something about this? I've been changing GPU's between GT 630 and RX 460 for 1 week.

Should I buy a new Motherboard?
Can I damage the GPU if I take it out and put it back in everyday?
What should I do, please help me.

If that somehow help I use Windows 10.





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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2017 at 12:20pm
Fire up an app, GPU-z, and reply back what vBIOS it reports your RX460 is currently flashed to.

I can locate and confirm via Google that the 4GB version of your card has a GOP/UEFI compatible. But I haven't found anything of your 2GB model.

skillzzz, I'm actually surprised you didn't receive this advice at TomsHardware



Too, this can be overcome with changing a BIOS setting or two. But I'd much rather see you get a GOP/UEFI vBIOS first.





Posted By: sleepyhead
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2017 at 12:28pm


Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2017 at 2:26pm
" rel="nofollow - Silly question but did you try clearing CMOS with the new GPU installed?

It looks like when you set CSM to off on the old card and then shut down and swap in the new one the board flags an error that is related to the old GPU. The RX 460 does support GOP where the GT 630 may not (some do some don't). If you have not tried to clear CMOS yet I would do so and post back. 


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Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2017 at 7:12pm
" rel="nofollow - Anytime you change a major piece of hardware, like a video card, you should clear the UEFI/BIOS with the Clear CMOS jumper on the board.

Disabling CSM is normally something that you cannot do unless you installed Windows with CSM set to disabled. Also, the way Microsoft formats the OS drive when CSM is disabled, it still includes an MBR partition so the OS installation will boot with CSM enabled.

Did you install Windows 10 for UEFI booting?


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Posted By: sleepyhead
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2017 at 8:11pm
" rel="nofollow - I did clear the CMOS after installing the new GPU.

I don't know if I installed Windows 10 for UEFI, where do I check that?
Would installing Windows 7 fix all this problems ?


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2017 at 10:46pm
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Originally posted by sleepyhead sleepyhead wrote:

I don't know if I installed Windows 10 for UEFI, where do I check that?


Right click on the Start button, select Disk Management, and if it's installed with UEFI you will see a 100MB partition that states it is ""Healthy (EFI System Partition)""


Originally posted by sleepyhead sleepyhead wrote:

Would installing Windows 7 fix all this problems ?


No, not installed in EFI/UEFI mode it won't be.



Is this a new build, or one that's been running fine on you H81M-VG4 motherboard for a while now?


Posted By: sleepyhead
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2017 at 11:02pm
These are the partitions I have. I don't see any EFI System Partition so I guess its not EFI.
It's a build that have been working fine with the H81M-VG4 untill I changed the GPU.

If installing the Windows in UEFI mode would fix the problem, how can I do it ?


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2017 at 11:26pm
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Originally posted by sleepyhead sleepyhead wrote:

If installing the Windows in UEFI mode would fix the problem, how can I do it ?


With the system powered down, connect/insert your Win10 instalation media(DVD or USB stick), power back up, and here you kinda need to be fast, but upon booting there will be a menu of options on the lower right of your screen, you want to select IIRC "Boot Options, then you will get a pop-up with choices to boot from.

Here you want(need!) to select the DVD or USB stick that the line will begin "UEFI: <your Win10 install media>""


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2017 at 11:29pm
Note: Please, clear your BIOS before performing that which I describe above!


Posted By: sleepyhead
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2017 at 11:30pm
Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

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Originally posted by sleepyhead sleepyhead wrote:

If installing the Windows in UEFI mode would fix the problem, how can I do it ?


With the system powered down, connect/insert your Win10 instalation media(DVD or USB stick), power back up, and here you kinda need to be fast, but upon booting there will be a menu of options on the lower right of your screen, you want to select IIRC "Boot Options, then you will get a pop-up with choices to boot from.

Here you want(need!) to select the DVD or USB stick that the line will begin "UEFI: <your Win10 install media>""

Is it a sure thing that RX 460 would work with UEFI Windows ? cause I dont really want to reinstall the windows without it working.


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2017 at 11:42pm
Originally posted by sleepyhead sleepyhead wrote:


Is it a sure thing that RX 460 would work with UEFI Windows ? cause I dont really want to reinstall the windows without it working.


DO clear your bios FIRST.

Assuming all else is working fine and you have an adequate PSU there is no reason it shouldn't be now. Guarantee? I can't go that far.


And c'mon. Installing Windows isn't that much of a pain in the you know where Tongue

Where's your sense of adventure LOL








Posted By: sleepyhead
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 12:10am
Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:



DO clear your bios FIRST.

Assuming all else is working fine and you have an adequate PSU there is no reason it shouldn't be now. Guarantee? I can't go that far.


And c'mon. Installing Windows isn't that much of a pain in the you know where Tongue

Where's your sense of adventure LOL




So, before I reinstall the windows I must clear the bios, right? should I remove the CMOS battery and put it back in or just Load UEFI Default in the BIOS ?

I wouldn't say that a 15$ PSU is adequate LOL gonna change it most probably on friday or early with a Sirtec - High Power EP-500BR II

This is my current PSU model

could this be an accomplice too ?




Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 12:36am
If the GPU isn't getting enough power to initialize properly then yes, it could be.

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Posted By: sleepyhead
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 1:04am
I forgot to mention that while I get the black screen when I do boot with CSM Enabled, the RX 460 fan's keep spinning, but when I disable CSM and it eventually boot "properly" the fan's are going automatically into idle mode.


Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 1:21am
Post back once you have the new PSU, it is one of the things I was going to inquire about/suggest you replace.

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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 1:31am
Originally posted by sleepyhead sleepyhead wrote:

So, before I reinstall the windows I must clear the bios, right? should I remove the CMOS battery and put it back in or just Load UEFI Default in the BIOS ?


Considering, I would pull the battery and jumper the CLRCMOS1 for 1min. The re-jump CLRCMOS1 and then insert the battery.


Originally posted by sleepyhead sleepyhead wrote:

I wouldn't say that a 15$ PSU is adequate LOL gonna change it most probably on friday or early with a Sirtec - High Power EP-500BR II

This is my current PSU model

could this be an accomplice too ?


Accomplice? If it is not the outright cause of your issues I will be amazed.

Yea. Toss that Delux one in the garbage.






Posted By: sleepyhead
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 1:43am
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Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:



Accomplice? If it is not the outright cause of your issues I will be amazed.

Yea. Toss that Delux one in the garbage.





Yeah that's what I plan to do with it, Toss it into the garbage.

But would Sirtec - High Power EP-500BR II do its job?
Are there any other decent PSU's in the 45-50$ price range?
How about a Corsair NEW VS Series VS550 or Super Flower SF-550K12XP v2 550W ?

Edit: I'm trying to make a Windows 7 bootable USB Stick and I don't know what to choose between these that would eventually boot with my new GPU without disabling CSM in the bios using the old GPU.






Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 3:16am
GPT

The Corsair would probably be the better bet. 


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Posted By: sleepyhead
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 3:40am
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Originally posted by Xaltar Xaltar wrote:

Post back once you have the new PSU, it is one of the things I was going to inquire about/suggest you replace.

Should I reinstall the windows now using that GPT partition scheme or wait for the PSU and see what happens with it?


Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 3:50am
Wait for the PSU and see how it goes Wink

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Posted By: sleepyhead
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 4:06am
I will be posting after I get my PSU.

Thanks for all the help so far, see y'all in a week or so.


Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 9:38am
I'm sorry, but that PSU does not belong in ANY modern PC! Wacko

The maximum rated wattage of the +12V rail is 216W +12V @ 18Amps), which is shared with the CPU, mother board, and video card.

The power distribution of the +12V +5V and +3.3V rails (18A, 30A, 20A respectively) is the kind used when the +5V rail was used for the CPU, over 10 years ago. Why are PSUs like this still being sold?

Is there any chance in the world this PSU would support the Intel C7 C State low power load on the +12V rail? I hope you have case fans and fans on the CPU cooler to keep the +12V rail loaded, otherwise the +12V rail will go out of ATX specification. Of course, that assumes this PSU even has OVP, which I doubt.

An obsolete design for a modern mother board, CPU, and video card. Notice the "P4" in the model name. That means the old Pentium 4 Intel processors. Introduced in 2000, they were 32 bit CPUs until an upgrade to 64 bit in 2004. Last P4 model was released in 2006.

Also, 1.5VA on the 5VSB rail?!?! Pinch

The PSU is the heart of any PC. If the electrical power supplied to the other hardware is not of good quality, every aspect of the PC's performance will suffer. Plus the quality of the build of this PSU must be terrible, I can only imagine how bad the voltage regulation, ripple suppression, efficiency, etc is. I would be afraid to use it in any PC I owned.

Sirtec as a brand of PSU is one I would never consider even looking at, much less using.

Please spend at least $50 on a PSU, which is just enough for one of decent quality. I have fans that cost more than that Sirtec PSU.


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Posted By: sleepyhead
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 10:43am
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Originally posted by parsec parsec wrote:


Please spend at least $50 on a PSU, which is just enough for one of decent quality. I have fans that cost more than that Sirtec PSU.


Which PSU would you recommend me for 50$ ?
Where I live those are the available PSU in my price range.

Corsair NEW SERIES VS550
Corsair Builder Series CX430
Super Flower SF-550P12XP 550W
Super Flower SF-550K12XP v2 550W
FSP HYPER 500W

Well, I changed my mind and I probably ain't gonna buy that Sirtec anymore.
Instead I would've think of Corsair Builder Series CX430 ->
http://www.corsair.com/en/cx430-80-plus-bronze-certified-power-supply

What do you think about it ? Could the CX430 handle it without any problem? the system is being used mostly for gaming(not the most demanding games out there) (usually I spend like 5-6 hours playing games)

Is the PSU better than any of the above and if it isn't which one from the above list should I buy ?
Full PC Specs (might not be the best CPU ever, but still gets the job done in one way or another);


I put the specs here so you guys can make an idea if the CX430 would be enough for it.
Originally posted by Xaltar Xaltar wrote:

?GPT

I checked if my HDD could support GPT, but seems like it only supports MBR, is it fine if I would go MBR UEFI partition scheme ?












Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 2:51pm
Your HDD will support GPT. GPT is simply a partitioning scheme.

My choice, even as I know it's on the high end of your budget.
http://www.corsair.com/en/vs-seriestm-vs550-550-watt-power-supply" rel="nofollow - http://www.corsair.com/en/vs-seriestm-vs550-550-watt-power-supply

Your RX 460 requires/needs a min 380W PSU, and I can't really see scrimping a few dollars here, now. What little extra you spend now, 430 v 550, will hold you over for future upgrades for some time.
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Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 3:16pm
The Corsair VS gets my vote too. It will last you a while and Corsair have better support than the other brands you listed. The Corsair 430w will be adequate too but if you upgrade at any point you may need to replace it which makes it a waste of money.

GPT works on just about any SATA drive, I used it on an old 5200rpm 2.5" SATA II laptop drive without any issues for an HTPC I built a while back.


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Posted By: sleepyhead
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2017 at 11:40pm
" rel="nofollow - I don't know about that VS550, many people say its bad and not reliable, etc.. 
I've been using the DELUX 'PSU' for 7-8 years. 
I never bought a PSU before(DELUX came with the case) and if I buy one I want it to be atleast a decent quality one.

I could increase my budget by a bit to buy a Corsair CX450M is it a decent PSU?
I understand that RX 460 requires atleast 380W, but DELUX is a "450W PSU" and still 'handle' it


Posted By: sleepyalt
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2017 at 12:40am
Hi, It's me 'sleepyhead' LOL I can't log in anymore into that account( I dont know why, it says my password is incorrect, but I'm sure it is not, also password reset doesn't work for me )

I wanna say that I reinstalled my windows using GPT partition scheme for UEFI and it works like a charm. Thank you for all the answers, you guys are awesome.

also I bought a Seasonic S12II-520 Bronze I hope it is a good PSU, I'm also curious if that PSU can handle an i5-4590 + RX 460 and if the CPU is compatible with my ASRock H81M-VG4 (regarding BIOS compatibility).


Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2017 at 1:35am
Originally posted by sleepyalt sleepyalt wrote:

Hi, It's me 'sleepyhead' LOL I can't log in anymore into that account( I dont know why, it says my password is incorrect, but I'm sure it is not, also password reset doesn't work for me )

I wanna say that I reinstalled my windows using GPT partition scheme for UEFI and it works like a charm. Thank you for all the answers, you guys are awesome.


Awesome to hear and thank you Smile

Originally posted by sleepyalt sleepyalt wrote:

also I bought a Seasonic S12II-520 Bronze I hope it is a good PSU, I'm also curious if that PSU can handle an i5-4590 + RX 460 and if the CPU is compatible with my ASRock H81M-VG4 (regarding BIOS compatibility).

PERFECT, Seasonic are one of the best money can buy, even their cheaper units are great.Thumbs Up


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Posted By: sleepyalt
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2017 at 8:34am
Would there be any 'huge' bottleneck between an i5 4460/4590 and RX 460?Big smile


Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2017 at 2:14pm
None at all Thumbs Up

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Posted By: sleepyalt
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2017 at 4:38am
Originally posted by Xaltar Xaltar wrote:

None at all Thumbs Up

How about i3 4170 + RX 460? would it slightly bottleneck? and its the i3 a decent CPU for my system? Most of the time I use my PC for gaming.


Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2017 at 5:05am
Dual cores can be tricky. Some games don't fare well on them but most do OK on the i3 because they are hyperthreaded so we see 2 cores/4 threads but even then some take an FPS hit. An HT thread is about 30% of the performance of a real core (at best) so what we see is an i3 performing roughly 50 - 60% faster than a non hyperthreaded dual core in most usage scenarios but when both the cores are fully loaded that difference quickly evaporates to about 10 - 15%.

In most games however the i3 is quite capable and shouldn't bottleneck the RX 460 much, if at all. The problems start with games like GTA 5 that are exceedingly CPU heavy and thrive on higher core counts. What's worse is that with Ryzen becoming available tomorrow and 6 core 12 thread variants coming a little later in the year we are going to see a LOT more games taking advantage of higher core counts which could see the i3 go the way of the pentium and other dual cores (inadequate). 

Honestly, I would not recommend a dual core to anyone at this juncture unless it was for an ultra budget build in which case I would suggest an H110 motherboard (with a Kaby Lake supporting BIOS) and a hyperthreaded Kaby Lake pentium. This combo would be cheap, offer almost identical performance to Haswell i3s and be upgradable to an i5 or i7 later on. 

So to answer your question:

No, don't waste your money on the i3, you will regret it. You will be by far better off with a lower clocked i5. Now if you are willing to wait and save a little longer we should see Ryzen 4 and 6 core parts at some point this year as well as price drops from intel when that happens. If you need something now do yourself a favor and save a little more to get an i5.


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Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2017 at 5:13am
As I side note, I know where you are coming from. Upgrading is expensive, especially on a budget. When I built my Haswell system I was short on funds and had to make some very tough choices with my hardware, in the end I made the terrible mistake of going with a Pentium G3258 thinking I could overclock it to better than i3 performance. That turned out to be true, at 4.3ghz my little pentium anniversary kicked some serious i3 bottom but unfortunately a slew of new games also came out around that time that simply would not even run on a dual core, as in wouldn't even load.... i3s worked fine with their 4 threads but not my dual core, non hyperthreaded little pentium. I got about a month of satisfaction out of it before I sorely regretted wasting money on a redundant part.

Moral of the story, save up a little longer and don't cheap out on core components (including PSU). It is way better to be stuck with a piece of old junk for a month longer while you save up than have wasted money on another piece of junk that will disappoint you in less than 6 months.


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