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Topic: DeskMini 110 & Kaby Lake & BIOS
Posted By: John Z
Subject: DeskMini 110 & Kaby Lake & BIOS
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2017 at 3:18am
" rel="nofollow - Will I be able to do a boot with Kaby Lake, so I can flash a new BIOS?
If not, what will I have to do?
I do not have a Skylake CPU !

Thanks 
John



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Posted By: TheRock
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2017 at 6:56am
LOL

Next time buy a motherboard with training wheels.
Asrock MB are for PROS.
Clap


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Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2017 at 8:14am
Originally posted by John Z John Z wrote:

" rel="nofollow - Will I be able to do a boot with Kaby Lake, so I can flash a new BIOS?
If not, what will I have to do?
I do not have a Skylake CPU !

Thanks 
John


With a DeskMini 110, you cannot start the PC with a Kaby Lake processor, unless the board has a UEFI/BIOS version of 7.00 or greater. The BIOS chip on the board has a sticker on it with the UEFI/BIOS version from the factory.

Sorry to say, the only way you can install a Kaby Lake processor compatible UEFI/BIOS version is with a Skylake processor. That is a limitation from Intel, different processor generations need their own CPU microcode, which is part of the UEFI/BIOS update. Intel has never been able to provide a workaround for this limitation.

This applies to any Intel 100 series chipset board (DeskMini 110 uses the Intel H110 chipset), and is not limited to the DeskMini 110 PC.

This situation should be provided by retailers on their websites, or by their staff at retail stores. We get questions about this all the time, retailers need to do a better job informing their customers


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Posted By: Stefan75
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2017 at 3:19pm
There seem to be BIOS flash services, like  https://www.biosflash.com/e/index.htm" rel="nofollow - https://www.biosflash.com/e/index.htm


Posted By: camster
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2017 at 6:33am
Went to PB electronics and they sold me the mini 110. they also recommend the Kaby lake. I went home and i was not able to access any visuals so loading was impossible. I took it back yesterday and they swapped the cpu so that they could changed the bios. they then put the kaby lake back in and it is perfect. just about to boot her up but at least I can see the screen.hope this helps.P.S thaClapnk you for the post that put me on to the issue I spent all weekend thinking I was doing something wrong.


Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2017 at 6:52am
Originally posted by camster camster wrote:

Went to PB electronics and they sold me the mini 110. they also recommend the Kaby lake. I went home and i was not able to access any visuals so loading was impossible. I took it back yesterday and they swapped the cpu so that they could changed the bios. they then put the kaby lake back in and it is perfect. just about to boot her up but at least I can see the screen.hope this helps.P.S thaClapnk you for the post that put me on to the issue I spent all weekend thinking I was doing something wrong.


Glad it helped you. Nothing worse than having no idea what is wrong, except not being able to fix it with what you have available to you.

I don't know anything about PB Electronics, but if they were not aware of the need for a compatible UEFI/BIOS in order to use a Kaby Lake processor in a Skylake chipset board, that is not very impressive.

Did you inform them about this situation, or did someone in that store know about it?

I'm not sure off the top of my head I know how many times this situation occurred with new Intel processor in the previous generation board, there are so many of them. It's at least five. Certainly not the first time this has happened, just since Sandy Bridge processors were introduced.


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Posted By: camster
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2017 at 7:02am
" rel="nofollow - one of the technicians knew as soon as I told him about the post. it only took about 15 min and was free of charge. the sales guy was forced to do it as the tech instructed him. I thought that was brilliant.
where do I look to find out how to load everything on. I plugged in my external drive but wont boot from it?. I last booted a new build computer about 20 years ago when they all contained their own hard drives so this new build is a great way to catch up.


Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2017 at 8:36am
Originally posted by camster camster wrote:

" rel="nofollow - one of the technicians knew as soon as I told him about the post. it only took about 15 min and was free of charge. the sales guy was forced to do it as the tech instructed him. I thought that was brilliant.
where do I look to find out how to load everything on. I plugged in my external drive but wont boot from it?. I last booted a new build computer about 20 years ago when they all contained their own hard drives so this new build is a great way to catch up.


What is on your external drive? A version of Windows from another PC? Connected how, with a USB port?

Or is that external drive an optical disk drive, and you are trying to load the driver disk that came with your DeskMini 110?

Did you install a 2.5" drive in your DeskMini 110? New PCs contain their own drives now two, but one is not included with the DeskMini 110. You get a lot for your money with this little PC, but not a drive. Any PC we build must have at least one drive installed by the owner.

Twenty years is a long time, things have changed significantly. Are you hoping to use your external drive as the OS drive? You did not give us any details.

Your PC's full user manual can be found on the page below, but it sounds like you may need more help than the manual contains:

http://www.asrock.com/support/support.asp?Model=DeskMini%20110%20Series&cat=Manual&Chipset=Intel%20H110


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Posted By: camster
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2017 at 10:35am
sorry hard week at work. was wondering before I start if it is easier and better to load windows 7 or 10.
have kaby lake pentium G4560, crucial 8gb ddr4 2133, kingston ssdnow uv400 240gb 2.5 sata3. once i know what to poad it will be better. 


Posted By: camster
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2017 at 10:38am
sorry forgot transcend cd dvd burner player external usb


Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2017 at 12:21pm
Originally posted by camster camster wrote:

sorry hard week at work. was wondering before I start if it is easier and better to load windows 7 or 10.
have kaby lake pentium G4560, crucial 8gb ddr4 2133, kingston ssdnow uv400 240gb 2.5 sata3. once i know what to poad it will be better. 


Whether installing Windows 7 or 10 is easier depends upon the installation media you have for Windows (disk, ISO file on a USB flash drive), and the type of mouse and keyboard you will be using.

This is a link to a simple explanation regarding what you will need depending upon the things I listed above if you want to use Windows 7:

http://www.asrock.com/microsite/Win7Install/index.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.asrock.com/microsite/Win7Install/index.html

You would not need to do anything if you were using Windows 10, regardless of the Windows 10 installation media and keyboard and mouse. So Windows 10 could be easier depending upon what you have.

The reason why Windows 7 can be more difficult is all of the Intel 100 and 200 series chipset boards, like your H110 STX board, will only use the USB 3.0 driver for ALL of the USB ports, including of course the USB 2.0 ports. Since Windows 7 does not have a built in USB 3.0 driver, all of the USB ports will not work until you install a USB 3.0 driver after Windows 7 is installed. You can "slipstream" a USB 3.0 driver into a Windows 7 ISO installation on a USB flash drive, but that is not simple.

Since you will be using an external USB DVD drive, using Windows 7 will be the most difficult if you plan on using a Windows 7 disk.

Using Windows 10 from a disk or an ISO file on a USB flash drive will not have any of these issues.

Whether Windows 7 or 10 is better is up to you.

You said earlier that you connected your "... external drive but it won't boot from it". I asked what was on the external drive, but no response from you. Is that your DVD burner, or something else?


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Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2017 at 2:12pm
Fair warning, Kaby Lake CPUs are only "officially" supported on windows 10. This is naturally total BS as any OS will work just fine but MS have been sneaky and made it so your system will not receive updates if it detects a Kaby Lake CPU, instead prompting you to upgrade your OS because your CPU isn't supported.

I don't know if this is still happening, MS may have been forced to stop doing this but it is worth noting. I have been on 10 of necessity for a while now and it isn't terrible. If I didn't need to run the occasional game for benchmarking I would switch to linux full time in a heartbeat though Tongue


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Posted By: camster
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2017 at 4:02pm
Thankyou Xaltar that makes my decision A bit simpler. Grrrrrrr. Windows 7 is so much more of a simpler O.S. to work with.


Posted By: camster
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2017 at 4:13pm
Hi Parsec. Yes my external drive is the dvd drive. I thought that would be easier. it may work I just need to buy a windows 10 disk and then give it a go. All my O.S are either 7 or came with the product. Im working a day shift tomorrow so it will have to wait until then if Im not too shattered. I live in New zealand so the time is out of wack. However doing shift work does help. I will keep you all updated if you wish. But thanks all for your help. much appreciated.


Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2017 at 9:22pm
Last year Microsoft let you install Windows 10 with a Windows 7, 8, or 8.1 product key. Fresh install too, none of that Win 10 upgrade nonsense. That should be over now I think.

I had a moment of concern about your external USB DVD drive, even with Windows 10. I install Windows 10 only via an ISO file on a USB flash drive, which I did with my DeskMini 110W. That works fine, but something about an external USB DVD drive worries me. But the Windows 10 installer must have a method of getting the USB ports working on the Intel 100 series chipset boards. Or is it Intel... Confused

I forgot about the Kaby Lake and Windows 7 thing, since I only use Windows 10 now.


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Posted By: camster
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2017 at 3:53pm
I am half way through the install. Went to PB tech and they were able to sell me a win10 usb fully loaded boot disk and not needing any extra work. It was cjeaper than the disk too. plugged it in and loaded up without any issue at all. now my external works and I am loading the drivers on it is a sweet ride. so much easier than if I had to go down the windows 7 route. Windows has updated itself as well. I am so glad I came against this forum as I wouldnt have done it without you guys.  Hope tis helps someone ealse as well. Thanks again.


Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2017 at 8:20pm
The Windows 10 on USB was cheaper than a disk? Nice, they charge more for that in the USA! Angry

Glad this all was helpful for you. My DeskMini 110W has been problem free since the beginning.

If you have any more questions, let us know!


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