Fatal1ty 970 Performance nb/SB/vrm cooler dimensio
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Topic: Fatal1ty 970 Performance nb/SB/vrm cooler dimensio
Posted By: mgrandy@hotmail.co.u
Subject: Fatal1ty 970 Performance nb/SB/vrm cooler dimensio
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2017 at 2:32pm
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OK so long story short the board has stock ALU coolers on the chips etc. I'm on the hunt for some copper coolers but not sure how to take the dimensions if its just from center pin to center pin. The ALU coolers are useless and the heat paste I use eats ALU for breakfast so nothing but copper would do. I really would hate to have to remove them 2ce so if anyone has at hand I would be grateful (All 3 board heatsink dimensions or a nudge in right direction) Specs are NZXT phantom full case Amd fx 9370 8core H100i Asrock fatal1ty 970 Performance 3.1 Nvivida 750ti 4gb DDR 5 12 gbs DDR 3 1800mhz 850w psu |
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2017 at 2:55pm
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" rel="nofollow - Two shops I know of that can help you dimension and copper HS wise. Gary(Owner) @ http://sidewindercomputers.com Gary is an awesome guy. Very personable attention paid to each and every customer. Not sure he remembers me yet tell him wardog from here sent you. My serious OCing days are bedhind me so it's been some time since we spoke. The gang @ http://www.frozencpu.com/ And doesn't RAMCity in AU have what you need, closer by? |
Posted By: mgrandy@hotmail.co.u
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2017 at 3:03pm
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OK thanks I'll check ERM out honestly I used to just stick an extra fan or two there normally but seen as how good the Coollaboratory Liquid Pro is on CPU and how hot the fx 9370 gets. I thought be great for the likes of them too. Fingers crossed my case fans cut the mustard on keeping board temps down etc From first looks there's a mofset cooler there on sidewinder that looks good. http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/thhrty2moco.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/thhrty2moco.html but can't find out if its copper plated nickel, but a bigger step forward from the sites I've been looking on least that thing adjusts lol, I was half tempted to get the hacksaw and drill out and start chopping up my own. The paste I had issues with was rated 0.8w/mk it was CPU stable with this at 70 degrees c(ik bad all i had)but the board tmpin1 kept climbing too well above 43 deg, fingers crossed it stays cool with 32.6w/mk paste when I get it built back up later this week and the 2 extra 80mm fans and the 120mm I've not long since wired up along with the 2 on rad and the 80mm exhaust. it does say you need like 34 cfm or so pointed at your vrm |
Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2017 at 3:46pm
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Knowing you won't set a World Record with a 9370 on this board, I'm guessing you're jumping hoops that don't need jumped through. The stock ones will be fine. Note: Seeings you'll use the H100 it is required that a fan be placed and secured to provide airflow over the VRM section. A std HS/F can usually cool them enough but the water pump isn't a fan so you'll need this fan there. IMO, if this MB was just bought, and considering that 9370, I really really consider the 990FX Extreme9. Them I'm assuming you'll OC the dickens out of it considering the H100. The VRM section on the Fatal1ty 970 Performance 3.1 IMO and many other User experiences here with it, the VRMs just aren't up to the task of powering the AMD 9xxx silicon. Random reboots, BSODs and all other things that can, do. Yea. I'm a Moderator on the corporate ASRock Tech Forums. Yet I'd much rather see a happy User than an angry one. I'm positive ASRock does too. So, I speak from my vast experiences and I speak my mind while doing so to keep Users from making mistakes. |
Posted By: mgrandy@hotmail.co.u
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2017 at 4:06pm
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Sorry re edited above post to include my fan setup etc and the temp issues etc but I see what you mean about the fan pointed at vrm. I have a 120mm direct on the mb and 2 smaller 40mm fans on route to put on the chips(in the post) along with the 2x 80mm at the HDD section (not far from mb). Also extremely happy considering the cost compared to the extreme9 my previous build was fm2a55-dgs along with the a10 6800k oc to 6.3ghz. May be went a bit over kill on fans but hey ho lol and Yep I thought it better to ask. Yes I did have random shut down but assumed it was heat issues as temp was rising bad thought ide solve that first well not so much random but anyway. I've heard the horror story's about the vrm burning assumed it was bad cooling on user part. I play safe run it for hour on idle and it shut down let it cool, then booted up to watch temps. I remember my old 3.4ghz duel core socket 775 had the exact same shut downs think it was p5n32-sli I had issues with but the sli- duluxe had extra big heat sink and extra fans mounted on nb/SB and not 1 random shut down like the sli version. Stupidity amazes me sometimes and the ALU heat sinks with no fans don't help these things really should be water cooled. my socket 775 Asus board had that and it was donkeys years old. if you compare the extreme 9 heat sink yet again far superior to that of the fatal1ty 970 by miles. I doubt 90% of of random shutdowns are random but will soon see. Any way will update when post man arrives. |
Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2017 at 5:00pm
Yea, careful with the VRMs on that board with a 9000 series FX. Any smoke is supposed to stay inside the device or wiring. Please, updates. |
mgrandy@hotmail.co.u wrote:Posted By: mgrandy@hotmail.co.u
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2017 at 5:47pm
Honestly I was happy with my a10 6800k at 6.3ghz x4 oc or (normal 4.4ghz x 4) till my cheap dust filled PSU took it out along with itself and left some hideous burn marks. 8x 4.4ghz is almost 10ghz more and I struggled to keep less than that cool so its understandable. Was also thinking of under clocking rather than over clock worst come to worst and can't keep them down, soon see |
Posted By: mgrandy@hotmail.co.u
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2017 at 2:25am
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ok so got some coollabs liquid pro through the post, hooked up my side 200mm it was (59cfm) and 2 bottom fans bios showed 43 deg cpu 28 deg mb boot i get 70 deg cpu 36.1 deg mb (hit 37 max and back down to 36) so i think im good to go thanks very much for your support soon as i test some load on it or anything else crops up ill be sure to be back lets see if i get what others claim with it chilled. forgot why i never had them fans on its like an air plane lol get the new supply hopefully wed should easy power my 750ti 4gbs ddr5 might have to invest in a full loop in future i did note something i was un happy about on this board was the hd audio sound connector for my front panel its way way way back on the board meaning i have to have a wire all the way from front to back and in nzxt thats a long way. other than that great board thank you Start time: 2017_03_11 03:09:24 End time: 2017_03_11 05:30:21 Sample time interval(second):1 --------------Boost-------------- Seconds Core0 6 Core1 6 Core2 6 Core3 6 Core4 6 Core5 6 Core6 7 Core7 5 --------------TMP-------------- Min Max Average Core0 45.38 70.00 69.70 Core1 45.38 70.00 69.70 Core2 45.38 70.00 69.70 Core3 45.38 70.00 69.70 Core4 45.38 70.00 69.70 Core5 45.38 70.00 69.70 Core6 45.38 70.00 69.70 Core7 45.38 70.00 69.70 TMPIN0 36.18 38.78 37.45 ------------- fx 9370 asrock, fatal1ty 970 performance 3.1, NZXT phantom f-atx, AeroCool Integrator 850W, Corsair Hydro Series H100 |
Posted By: mgrandy@hotmail.co.u
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2017 at 5:44am
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" rel="nofollow - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxgwnhxIByb-cks5WWFWS3VzdEk/view?usp=sharing https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxgwnhxIByb-TXFuZEhrbnh2QkE/view?usp=sharing dont laugh BOSD files for ya to look at :) ------------- fx 9370 asrock, fatal1ty 970 performance 3.1, NZXT phantom f-atx, AeroCool Integrator 850W, Corsair Hydro Series H100 |
Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2017 at 10:15am
You getting BSODs just 4 days after proclaiming victory? I didn't look at the logs but if you need me to I will. I'm confused. |
Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2017 at 11:13am
This is not what you really want, but I'll give it to you anyway. Bottom view of the 970 Performance: You said you wanted "heatsink dimensions", but the mounting screw points are critical. IMO, you will have a very hard time finding a copper heat sink that will fit on the CPU VRMs. If the mounting screw points align perfectly, then the heat sink shape itself will not be what you'd like it to be. There is no chance that is a standard dimension of any kind, no doubt a custom made heat sink. I disagree that "aluminum coolers are useless". Aluminum is the heat sink material standard of the world for many reasons. Unfortunately, by the time you spend the money on copper heat sinks for your board, for the total amount spent, you could have bought a 990FX Extreme9. What you really need is air movement over the existing heat sinks. I built an 80mm fan mount out of an 'L' bracket, some screws and magnets for my 970 Performance/3.1 board. Mounted within inches of the VRM heatsink, the fan pushed air directly across it, and while stress testing an FX-9590, an IR thermometer read the heat sink temperature as ~ 120F. You can see it in the upper right hand corner of this picture, blue LEDs visible:  ------------- http://valid.x86.fr/48rujh" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2017 at 1:37pm
Agreed. Aluminum dissipates(releases) it's temp much faster than copper, which acts more of a storage sink. Maintaining it's temp much longer than aluminum. Boil a block of each, dump them through a strainer, and toss each onto a counter. The aluminum block will cool much faster. Density. That's why the quality $$$ copper ones have machined "pins" that can allow more surface area from which a stiff airflow can circulate through. But this airflow to be effective on these copper pins needs to be directed and not simply relying on case fan circulation alone. Get an Extreme9. Save $$ and time. The EX9 is hands down that much better and meant to handle that processor w/o breaking a sweat. From the ground up the EX9 was designed to. |
Posted By: mgrandy@hotmail.co.u
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2017 at 2:34pm
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Ye if you want too look at them you can. I'll post some pics later to show setup etc if this helps and fit another 2 fans to it see how it goes OK ALU ain't uslesss but you still need a copper base its no good at getting heat away from the chips. a copper heat sink with fan usually out performs the ALU only Heat sinks. That been said I stuck to your advice of keeping the ALU heat sinks on for the time being. I had already purchased 2x akasa chipset coolers ak-210 too but not yet fitted. These are ALU but and are slightly smaller heat sinks but yet fitted with fans so not to sure if I'll put the heatsinks on at all yet. It was running great till I hooked up my 850w gave it some 65a power instead of the (500w)27a power. Yes ok bad me for running on the 27a but was for few days needs must. Honestly I ain't even turned the auto core off yet or even put any serious load on this board. And yes 4 days in lol its running on the 4 boosted core mode that was auto set on Didn't have time to look at them myself. Tried a reinstall of windows. As was an older hdd of mine but was just mad blue screens IRQ = to or less than, was the first I encountered. Yes my victory was short lived going to update bios but not looking good so far as you can see from temps they are more than stable! And honestly don't seem like HDD failure but bios/driver level. it was/is certainly cool enough Also don't count to yourself I only have 1 fan. I do not. I have 6 fans not shown in the temps page as I have outside fan controller always on max. Anyway wish me luck. ------------- fx 9370 asrock, fatal1ty 970 performance 3.1, NZXT phantom f-atx, AeroCool Integrator 850W, Corsair Hydro Series H100 |
Posted By: mgrandy@hotmail.co.u
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2017 at 3:30pm
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if you look here is shows only 8gbs available out of 12 so supect ram fail http://i.imgur.com/n2SAFCD.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://i.imgur.com/n2SAFCD.jpg setup pics
http://i.imgur.com/AcTsXFY.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://i.imgur.com/AcTsXFY.jpg http://i.imgur.com/h7tLwiq.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://i.imgur.com/h7tLwiq.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8RhJ2af.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://i.imgur.com/8RhJ2af.jpg http://i.imgur.com/4IVNeYH.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://i.imgur.com/4IVNeYH.jpg excuse the silcon paste 0.8 here as thought it needed coollaborty liquid metal pro so replaced a few days on http://i.imgur.com/4CmfVEe.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://i.imgur.com/4CmfVEe.jpg this one is inside my system notice the 200mm directly blowing on my mb http://i.imgur.com/WQNjzxL.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://i.imgur.com/WQNjzxL.jpg And 2 more of these to put on these are only 40mmx40mm alu and are stickons eek http://www.scan.co.uk/products/akasa-ak-210-cool-blue-led-40mm-low-noise-chipset-cooler" rel="nofollow - https://www.scan.co.uk/products/akasa-ak-210-cool-blue-led-40mm-low-noise-chipset-cooler this was more on my way of thinking, then mounting a fan http://www.benchtest.com/alum&copp.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.benchtest.com/alum&copp.html honestly think i could make something like this fit too when/if i get full loop going obviously get its bigger daddy or see which is the better fit http://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/p/Koolance-MVR-40-VRM-Waterblock-G14andquot;_21015.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.watercoolinguk.co.uk/p/Koolance-MVR-40-VRM-Waterblock-G14andquot;_21015.html heres the output from the .dmp files showing the 2 driver fails and what they were http://i.imgur.com/H0fiUbh.png" rel="nofollow - http://i.imgur.com/H0fiUbh.png the hal.dll lead me to believe the hdd is at fault as stated here http://www.lifewire.com/how-to-fix-missing-hal-dll-errors-in-windows-xp-2623695" rel="nofollow - https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-fix-missing-hal-dll-errors-in-windows-xp-2623695 the other is saying my ram is failing or oc even possibly malware, so time to run memtest. one of my 4gbs sticks is older the other is new. i was in amd overdrive at the time. i didnt apply any settings to my knowledge thou also they are miss matched 4g and 8g stick ive not since long replace the 4g x2 as one previously failed. hate to say this but might have to just dump the 4g stick as old and try 1 of many 500gig hdds i have see how i get on. on that note its maybe just going through all my weak components and laughing at them lol edit:- ram fail 4g stick possible hdd ------------- fx 9370 asrock, fatal1ty 970 performance 3.1, NZXT phantom f-atx, AeroCool Integrator 850W, Corsair Hydro Series H100 |
Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2017 at 7:46pm
Mixing sticks. Not good. Get those replaced with a matched KIT and let us know how it gets along. |
Posted By: mgrandy@hotmail.co.u
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2017 at 1:40am
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http://community.amd.com/thread/197299" rel="nofollow - https://community.amd.com/thread/197299 says max temp is 57 deg for the cpu and the 70 i was getting was right but thats 13 deg higher than it should be. so even with the h100 running max warp speed im still running hot right? lol better stay away from amd overdrive. what does your 9570 run at cpu temp wise? Edit:- so I encounter the blues screen again after my investigation into them I feel more prepared this time and after numerous reinstalls I might add too. So 1:- I removed a so called fault ram stick- no effect 2:- attempted to reinstall windows crashed. 3:- changed to ide mode also to no affect. Crashed before install. 4:- me being Para about temps watched in bios all stable at 40 something CPU (29 mb) 5:- decided after my cuppa I was going to under clock the system. As to me the crash at install from a clean CD seemed like it was way to unstable at bios level if it cannot even get past install. 6:-so I disable the turbo core, drop the cpu core down to minimum 1600mhz (pics incoming) reboot to bios and watch temps. All looks good temps are far lower over my hour. Overall the machine don't sound like its sucking life out the power grid(always listen). Installed windows no problem zero BOSD. granted I now have an 8 core 1600mhz which ain't great But "the only way is up, baby". so temps confirmed and overdrive is sitting sensible 51 CPU idle 39 ish mb and all 8 cores running 1600mhz is also confirmed. *also different plug headers to give my fans full speed which had no effect on temps. **i also tested a number of operating systems. ***limited amount of driver files lan only. ****also on an gt9500 1gb for less power drain.
now I have 6 degrees to play with but first need to test stability and BOSD.which I'm assuming has now gone temps are below 4ghz x 8-core Start time: 2017_03_19 21:15:02 End time: 2017_03_19 21:31:39 Sample time interval(second):1 --------------Boost-------------- Seconds Core0 0 Core1 0 Core2 0 Core3 0 Core4 0 Core5 0 Core6 0 Core7 0 --------------TMP-------------- Min Max Average Core0 32.12 51.50 47.04 Core1 32.12 51.50 47.04 Core2 32.12 51.50 47.04 Core3 32.12 51.50 47.04 Core4 32.12 51.50 47.04 Core5 32.12 51.50 47.04 Core6 32.12 51.50 47.04 Core7 32.12 51.50 47.04 TMPIN0 37.85 39.25 38.57 --------------FAN-------------- Min Max Average FAN3 2123 2206 2153 heres where ive mounted my fan so we aint confused in any way. The benfit was more from my 59cfm 192mm case fan. instant stable mb temp of under 40 deg http://i.imgur.com/PHrnBh1.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://i.imgur.com/PHrnBh1.jpg this was my first bios move althou i dont think relevant http://i.imgur.com/TjXi2yz.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://i.imgur.com/TjXi2yz.jpg this one i think hit the jackpot http://i.imgur.com/BHN7q7n.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://i.imgur.com/BHN7q7n.jpg some bios temps also running new settings after 1hour http://i.imgur.com/0I2BmRb.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://i.imgur.com/0I2BmRb.jpg will update soon... Tbc may take time to test each freq and temps motherboard seems to be competent too i might add soon see Edit: 2x full 24 hours on and no BOSD ran windows update (227 total) , tested luke warm gta3. i would call that stable now lets have a play with clocks :D 4ghz fine temps stable whoot update on the temps paste has settled
------------- fx 9370 asrock, fatal1ty 970 performance 3.1, NZXT phantom f-atx, AeroCool Integrator 850W, Corsair Hydro Series H100 |
Posted By: WKjun
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2017 at 8:21pm
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Hi! Maybe you can extract some useful information from my old thread: http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp%3cTID=660" rel="nofollow - http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=660 Although my negative opinion and experience with this board is no use for you, I once more have to say that the VRM is not suitable at all to drive a FX-9000 without modification. As for these compact closed-loop water coolers, a very good air cooler like the NH-D14/15 cools way better, less noisy and the VRMs with it (in that case definetly not enough). It perfectly suits mine and it stays way below 60° at full load. Back to the board. There are several threads here rearding your situation. Imagine all these hours and days spent of experimentation and testing to get this combo to work, whereas it should go smoothly like plug&play. I still wonder why ASrock still promotes it FX-9000 compatible. ANY 125W capable board would then be 220W capable too if special active VRM cooling or modification is needed... However, it should NEVER be like that you have to modify Voltages and Clocks to get it stable! But I don't want to frustrate you. Read through my thread, you might find it helpful and I'm willing to help you if I can. PS: I've never got the Turbo stable, no matter what I've tried... ------------- PC1: FX-9590@def|290 |16GB@2133|Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 PC2: FX-8320@4.5|290 |16GB@2133| " PC3: FX-9590@def|280X|16GB@2133| " PC4: FX-9370@def|280X|16GB@2133| " PC5: FX-6300@4.6|7950|16GB@1866|990FX-UD3 |
Posted By: mgrandy@hotmail.co.u
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2017 at 5:42am
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ok ty very much, more on this ive been running auto mode in bios settings , cool and quiet enabled/disabled in fact every setting you can think of. ive tried swapping out hdd, ram, drivers, bios, graphics card to every slot possible. yet im still running into these blue screens. ok so its not malware due to a fresh format and it still blue screening, clean disk also. its also not overclock related due to using still stock settings and having a piss about with them even after a fresh install. like i said i updated the bios to ver 1.1 due to blue screens which i am still getting on or just as windows boots. i did notice my HD audio driver stopped working shortly before, which i re enabled then couldnt get away from the blue screens even after a fresh install reports for the blue screens are very wide and varied ranging from driver malfunctions to kernel power errors. these seem to happen at pure random moments. ive also noted that when installing redis C++ packs it was locking up like a mad overclock. to note ive also removed any software that might overclock the system without my knowing so yet still receiving them. sometimes it can be a week 24/7 on and then i get them or it can be 1 day 24/7 or even 1 hour. as i speak to you now this is my erm 8th time reinstalling windows but ty for your reply. its just total weird my temps are fine and the PC runs great 99% of the time. just these dyam random bosd errors that happen for no apparent reason (scrap that its a driver conflict of some sort) this does not BOSD in bios, it BOSD in windows usually after reinstall, it also happens in safe mode and on windows 7 pro along with ultimate. as i sit now my PC is fine like i said pure random going to try a lunix OS see if i can pin point if its windows 7 causing issues. games run so far fallout 4:- 60 fps temps stable, run for 6-10 hours at times gta 5:- 70 fps temps stable run for a good 1h planet-side 2:- 40-60 fps run for a good 4-10 hours per time another note i cannot get my xbox 360 wired controller to register both orignal 360 wired and a rock candy wired. it shows up in device manager but wont load the drivers. yet my madcatz 360 wired pc steering wheel plugs in and works right off the bat. ive also tried locating the usb port number and entering manually into the .ini file but this does not appear (usb/unknown). wierd as the controllers worked on my other PC but ive yet to test on a 360. these also i noted spin the motor when plugged in so there is definitely some power getting to them. i used to hav an issue where if my LX3000 Microsoft head set was plugged in at the same time it used to fail to boot my pc until one was removed. atm i cant even get them to instal even disabling driver sig enforcement/remove and reinstall etc. its just weird. on the back ports usb 2.0 and 3.0 i get no notification, use my front usb hub 2.0 and it registers me plugging it in but i cannot get drivers to install. use my front usb 3.0 and it dont register it period but like i said madcatz wheel works fine i seem to hav more stable os using ide install and not ahci, ahci mode install caused random BOSD, ide mode stopped them during windows load up might be related some how. yes the were both tested on fresh installs ahci ran for 1 week 24/7 b4 BOSD, i then had to change the install to IDE to stop them BOSD on windows load after a fresh install ps your above link is dead, honestly imo opinion this board seems to do the job and is great but i cant help feeling they rushed something somewhere. games i can accept they arnt perfect on release but a MB that does nothing but BOSD on stock settings on an older well known chip-set and OS. this should be almost perfect which it is not. shame really ------------- fx 9370 asrock, fatal1ty 970 performance 3.1, NZXT phantom f-atx, AeroCool Integrator 850W, Corsair Hydro Series H100 |