fatal1ty ab350 gaming k4 ram
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Topic: fatal1ty ab350 gaming k4 ram
Posted By: y3llo
Subject: fatal1ty ab350 gaming k4 ram
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2017 at 11:54am
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" rel="nofollow - I am attempting post at anything above 2133mhz with my CMK16GX4M2B3200C16. Looking at the results from: http://rymem.vraith.com/detailed_ram/715 One user has been able to validate a speed of 3200mhz at a timing of 16-18-18-36-75-1T on the ab350 gaming k4: http://valid.x86.fr/mtqd9w One thing I do not understand is how to adjust the last two timings, tCS and tCR. Where do I change these? I am also on 2.22 And now for a really dumb question, how do I change the SOC voltage? And do I want to? Thanks! |
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2017 at 1:40pm
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" rel="nofollow - Have you tried setting them up via their XMP Profile? |
Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2017 at 1:44pm
According to what I have in front of me these sticks you have are Samsung b-die ICs, and for the most part those ICs are behaving well when set using XMP. |
wardog wrote:Posted By: y3llo
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2017 at 1:49pm
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The XMP profile causes it to bootloop 5 times before restarting. I figured they were not Samsung b-die due to the c16 latency. |
Posted By: potyec
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2017 at 3:32pm
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I have the seame and normally with XMP profile not going trough ... We have to find out how else we can set it up |
Posted By: potyec
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2017 at 3:44pm
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Actually what i see he has beta version 2.22 not the released 2.20 version I have exatly same ram as you but for me it`s running at 2933 . I just wanna find out how to get it to 3200
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2017 at 4:39pm
This "bootlooping' is Ryzens Memory Training going on. It is normal to see 4-5 times then come back up. Go to the below link and download the Freeware version of Thaiphoon Burner. Install it, then at the bottom of the app click on Screenshot, then post the pic here please. http://www.softnology.biz/files.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.softnology.biz/files.html |
Posted By: potyec
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2017 at 6:30pm
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Posted By: y3llo
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2017 at 9:14pm
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Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2017 at 11:16pm
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" rel="nofollow - We can see from Thaiphoon burner that your Corsair memory is using Hynix memory chips. In the right column, DRAM COMPONENTS, we see the Manufacture is Hynix, not Samsung. potyec, you said you have the same model of memory, Corsair CMK16GX4M2B3200C16, as y3llo does? Are we seeing another case of one memory model that uses two different memory chips? One set has Samsung and the other Hynix? With Ryzen, most if not all of the XMP profiles, which were designed for Intel memory controllers, do not work with Ryzen. You must enter the memory timings manually, and even then there is no guarantee the memory will work at speeds over 2933. Ryzen is a very new system, and the mother board manufactures are still getting information and code updates that are used in the UEFI/BIOS updates from AMD. All we can do now is enter the memory timings, memory speed, and DRAM voltage manually. As you know, currently we only have the four main memory settings available in the UEFI. The Command Rate and other settings are set automatically by the UEFI. The DRAM voltage for any memory speed above 2400 must be 1.35V. The Ryzen memory controller does not support memory speeds of 3000 and 3400, which is why 3000 memory must be used at 2933. That is the current information about Ryzen memory compatibility. y3llo, you don't have an SOC voltage option in the OC Tweaker screen? Just FYI, I have G.SKILL FlareX 3200 memory in my Ryzen X370 Killer SLI/ac board. That memory model is designed specifically for Ryzen, and not only can I not use the XMP profile, but the best speed I can get from it is 2933. ------------- http://valid.x86.fr/48rujh" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: y3llo
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2017 at 11:45pm
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" rel="nofollow - Thanks for the reply. What is the difference between using the XMP profile and setting the timings manually? It would appear all timings and voltage are set the same, whether done by xmp or by manual input. (sorry if this is dumb question). Does SOC Voltage have another name? I have: VPPM 2.50V Voltage DRAM Voltage +1.8 Voltage VDDP 1.05V Voltage I understand the Hynix ram has been having issues. I was actually set to buy the same ram you have, the g.skill flareX 3200, but I saw that someone was able to make it work with my mobo/ram combination. If you think that it is possible the user referenced in my first post has Samsung, that makes sense, but I was under the impression that all C16 corsair memory was Hynix and that Samsung only appears with the C14 model number.
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Posted By: potyec
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2017 at 3:39pm
Looks like y3llo has exactly the same memory as me . Mine working on 2933 Mhz . Which timings I should use for 3200 Mhz ?
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Posted By: y3llo
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2017 at 12:46am
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@parsec how do you configure your bios for 2933? I am unable to hit this. |
Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2017 at 1:21am
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on my taichi it is near the settings for the cpu vcore and that is below the ram timings and voltage on the bios screen my soc i have upped to 1v from 0.9 but it wasnt needed to run my ram at xmp i left it there after trying to get my timings lower the other day my advice ? enter bios set the xmp profile and then edit the xmp settings to say 16 16 16 35 you may have to try higher settings for hynix 18 18 18 etc or even set the ram to 2993 first its all about trial and error if you get it to boot succesfully then you will have to test stability i suggest a qucik test first eg run cinebench then turn off pc leave 5 mins and try a restart ask me how i know !  i found the pc could start from bios with crazy low timings and run benchmarks and stress tests at same time all nice and stable for an hour or more but then IT WOULD NOT BOOT FROM COLD  hence why i suggest a cold boot before any long time spent on prime95/aida/ etc etc ------------- [url=https://valid.x86.fr/jpg250]  [/url]3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold |
Posted By: y3llo
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2017 at 2:15am
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It would appear we just don't have this option then. And thanks for the timing tips! I do appreciate it. Does anyone know what the "AM4 Advance Training" setting does for the DRAM? And what it should be set at? |
Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2017 at 5:20am
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" rel="nofollow - i turned mine off there is a very good overclocking guide on you tube for the taichi (but as stated will also be good use for other boards) search for videos by tech city he does a very detailed walk through with the taichi but at same time is explaining the asrock bios settings and what they mean and do hang on i will link it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52Tw-wcT7o4 what is really great is in his description he lists the settings for proper overclocking on the p states and the values to apply in hex i really do recommend watching the video and maybe play it on a laptop while your looking at your ryzen system bios ------------- [url=https://valid.x86.fr/jpg250] [/url]3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold |
Posted By: y3llo
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2017 at 9:22am
Good video. I now completely see the bios difference between what you get on a X370 vs B350. |
Posted By: y3llo
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2017 at 9:28am
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Okay so I need help. I picked up some G.Skill F4-3200C14D-16GFX in attempt to be compatible. Now I still cannot boot above 2666. I also tried reverting drivers back to 1.44 in hopes that there was greater ram compatibility... Still no dice. What am I doing wrong? I thought this ram was on the board's QVL, however the model listed is F4-3200CL14D-16GFX. Is there really an extra "L" in the model number? Or are they the same spec?  |
Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2017 at 8:46pm
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its the same stick heres a quick breakdown f4= ddr4 3200 =ram speed cl14= the latency d or q= means was it sold in a dual or quad channel kit 16 or 32= total size of ram kit gfx gtz gtzr =style and model of the ram kit eg gtz is tridentz gtzr is trident rgb the problem is with some qvl listings is they use software reported model numbers which in your case didnt include the letter L other examples are they quote the part number for a quad kit eg cl14Q and tested just two sticks and say its workd fine as a pair ..of course to buy that stick you would get a kit of four ------------- [url=https://valid.x86.fr/jpg250] [/url]3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold |
Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2017 at 8:57pm
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ok sorry back to your main issue lets try to get the ram working try easy timings first 16/16/16/35 make sure the ram volts is 1.35 soc if you can change it to 1.1v and manually try 2933 save and exit allow it to take a long time to initilise with new settings (this can be >30 secs without anything happening before the bios boot screen starts) hit delete if its starting back into bios dont change anything just save and exit again it should now boot faster to bios screen ,let it try windows after that just keep playing following guide i wrote above remember at this stage in am4/ryzen you cant trust the xmp will always work so you may have to manually configure it and allow it to in effect learn its safe to boot with those settings you should be aiming for 3200 and 14/14/14/34 if and when you cant get it to allow this try then reducing the soc down from 1,1 to 1,0 or below its always the best idea after obtaing any overclock to then spend the time to get the volts as low as is stable afterwards ------------- [url=https://valid.x86.fr/jpg250] [/url]3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold |
Posted By: potyec
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2017 at 5:00am
I did nothing with it just working on 2933 with basic XMP profile ... But I wanna reach the 3200 Mhz which is my RAM speed I saw someone 3200 Mhz with Timings : 14-14-14-34
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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2017 at 7:14pm
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ive done it with the taichi and gskill tridentz but it simply will not cold boot with the cl14 settings (it runs benches and tests forever when rebooting from bios into windows no problems ,but if shut down will not boot again) http://valid.x86.fr/4ws90d" rel="nofollow - http://valid.x86.fr/4ws90d that was my best stable windows 14/13/13/13/35 @ 3200 1.35 volts but i have to run at 16/15/15/15/35 for a cold boot ------------- [url=https://valid.x86.fr/jpg250] [/url]3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold |
Posted By: y3llo
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2017 at 11:12pm
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PSA: Double check your manual for correct dual channel memory installation. I debated whether to mention this, as I it would prove I am complete newb. However for the good of this motherboard and for the G.Skill Flare X, I decided I should take the bullet. Once I installed the memory in slots A2 and B2, XMP 3200 worked without fuss! Booted right away with timings of 14-14-14-34-73-1T. http://valid.x86.fr/wksj7u" rel="nofollow - http://valid.x86.fr/wksj7u Now to be fair, I started Ryzen launch on another manufacturer's mobo, where the ram was to be installed in slots 1 and 2. Either way, I messed up, look like a fool, but so happy it is working. @datonyb thank you for your help. I actually watched your recommended video and followed all your steps to train my memory (when installed incorrectly). I like to think all the boot training I did previously helped the memory work instantly when installed correctly. TLDR; G.Skill Flare X works with XMP profile on Fatal1ty AB350 Gamin K4 @3200mhz |
Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2017 at 9:59am
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glad to be of help mate were all still learning and passing on any insight and tips we do learn ------------- [url=https://valid.x86.fr/jpg250] [/url]3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold |
Posted By: potyec
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2017 at 3:09pm
So for CL16 I can use the same timings or not ? I don`t wanna buy new rams
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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2017 at 8:48pm
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the timings you can set and use will depend on your bios version/motherboard and ram models i would check on rymem and see what others have run on your board and ram combo the ram i am using is the one type that seem consistantly to give the best luck eg samsung b dies my rams labelled timings are 15/15/15/35 but even manually setting this and the bios showing this when i boot into windows and check its set to 16/15/15 which is wierd because any other setting will stay what i enter in bios eg 14/14/14 im leaving it at current setting until the may release of amd agesa 1005 and then will have a play again to see what i can get out of the ram (on intel systems these sticks clock anywhere upto 4000 speed ) ------------- [url=https://valid.x86.fr/jpg250] [/url]3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold |
Posted By: potyec
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2017 at 1:15am
How I know which ones are samsung B-die ram`s ? They do not write on it .. I already posted my ram picture here on the 2nd pg |
Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2017 at 11:18am
These above are Hynix. Specifically, Hynix 25nm M-die. It states so right there in the pic. Here is a TB screen of Samsung b-die. This is of my G.Skill F4-4133C19D-16GTZA Kit.  |
Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2017 at 8:25pm
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potyec your ram as said is hynix m die the stated 3200 timings are stated there in the report screen shot 16/18/18/36 @ 1.35 volts you could see if the xmp sets it to this or even manually trying these at present if the bios allows it and the system is stable consider yourself lucky i do expect after the may release from amd of agesa code 1005 to the board makers for ram support to improve greatly (and by this i mean sticks of ram working automatically at correct design settings) not just the amount of ram brands supported its early days ,ryzen has been overall quite a success for a brand new platform some of us older guys have seen new platforms launch over many years these issues are not something new ,its been like this many times before im trying to assist another forum member here with what should have been the very best choice of ram for ryzen,but hes stuck at 2133, so if your hynix sticks are doing better your a bit more lucky than others i would assume within 30 days (mid may) all the board makers will have the later bios out with the 1005 code and many headaches will be distant memories ------------- [url=https://valid.x86.fr/jpg250] [/url]3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold |
Posted By: potyec
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2017 at 12:46am
Thanks for the reply . In that case my 2933 Mhz is not that bad . I will wait and hopefully I can run my ram fully later on
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Posted By: bsbllclown
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2017 at 1:46am
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Posted By: RyuzenFX
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2017 at 4:53am
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" rel="nofollow - Your ProcODT(auto) not correct, set to 53.3 ohm now! My mobo(2x8GB SR Hynix) if set RAM speed above 2400 maybe double-boot after restart/coolboot. Web(AXXXROG forum) say ProcODT default is 53.3? Joke! at least asrock mobo was NOT! After I set ProcODT to 53.3 ohm, restart/coolboot work fine now!(2666) Web say 2x8GB SR set 53.3, 2x8GB DR set 60~80. I hope bios 2.70 will Fix this bug :(
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Posted By: DonPC
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2017 at 5:16am
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" rel="nofollow - Hi all, it seams like I have also issues with the RAM. My RAM the same: http://imgur.com/a/HTv1i Any advise how to setup the RAM to not cause issues?
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