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Topic: x370 v2.0 only BIOS listed for Taichi / Pro Game
Posted By: Bill H
Subject: x370 v2.0 only BIOS listed for Taichi / Pro Game
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2017 at 11:06am
" rel="nofollow - I just now checked to see if ASRock had a new BIOS update for x370 PRO Gamer and found that they have deleted all other versions except for v2.0.
I checked for x370 Taichi and it's the same thing there.
I wonder why they don't want the older versions around?


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EVGA GTX 1080 Hydro Copper SLI -
G.SKILL F4-3000C14D-16GTZ@3200MHz - Single liquid loop



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Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2017 at 11:42am
It's the same for all 14 ASRock Ryzen board models, they ALL now have only one UEFI/BIOS version available, as of 4/27/2017.

Multiple reasons for this, but the main one being the previous versions currently serve no purpose. All the fixes that AMD has provided in the CPU microcode, such as the FMA3 instruction bug, and improved memory compatibility, are incorporated into the latest UEFI versions. The number of fixes, new UEFI options and features, and improvements to existing options, make the previous versions obsolete.

The latest versions are the most "correct" UEFI versions that have ever been available. It's been known for a while now that AMD released the Ryzen processors for retail sale before the mother board manufactures had time to get their UEFI/BIOS complete, and have been receiving updates from AMD since that time.

Plus AMD is not done providing more updates that will be incorporated into future versions. AMD announced that another AGESA update (CPU microcode and other things that are part of the UEFI) will be made available sometime in May.

Also, why would any mother board manufacture want to support multiple UEFI versions, when it is known the earlier versions have bugs and fewer features. The bug fixes apply to all mother board manufactures, since the fixes come from AMD and are given to all the manufactures.


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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2017 at 11:43am
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Originally posted by Bill H Bill H wrote:

I wonder why they don't want the older versions around?



Issues with this persons system config or that persons system config. That's usually why any manufacturer would pull a BIOS revision.

And here we're discussing a brand new processor _and_ chipset. So considering, it's not unusual. The same happens at every new chipset release.


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2017 at 11:43am
Huh!


Posted By: Bill H
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2017 at 12:01pm
Issues with this persons system config or that persons system config. That's usually why any manufacturer would pull a BIOS revision.

And here we're discussing a brand new processor _and_ chipset. So considering, it's not unusual. The same happens at every new chipset release.
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It makes sense.
I was getting CPU Vcore fluctuations from x370 v2.0 for my Pro Gamer and went back to v1.60.
I have since noticed that when I boot into the BIOS, the motherboard is reporting the correct
voltages in the H/W Monitor section and that it is probably just misreporting it to third party apps.
When I get a chance I will be going back to v2.0.

I was just a little surprised.
Thanks


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X370 Pro Gamer - 1800x@4000 -
EVGA GTX 1080 Hydro Copper SLI -
G.SKILL F4-3000C14D-16GTZ@3200MHz - Single liquid loop


Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2017 at 9:20pm
its worse than that
they have removed some ram kits from the qvl as well
(the only gskill 3200 kit is now the flarex) used to have some tridents there

oh my god suddenly my ram will not work now Ouch


LOL


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3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold


Posted By: Optik
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2017 at 2:17am
My taichi running with p1.60 if someone need it tell me I can upload it.

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AMD R7 1700X
Arctic Liquid FreeZer 240
G.Skill Flare X 3200 cl 14@2933
PowerColer RX480
Phanteks EnTHoo Luxe
BeQuiet Dark Power Pro 11 550W


Posted By: Lexius
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2017 at 9:30am
" rel="nofollow - Hello, I was wondering that my motherboard came with P 1.40, and can't even find files for dos upgrade. No instant flash option available. There is only 2.0 bios file for instant flash. Where can I find a dos one for at least 1.50?


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2017 at 9:55am
Originally posted by Lexius Lexius wrote:

" rel="nofollow - Hello, I was wondering that my motherboard came with P 1.40, and can't even find files for dos upgrade. No instant flash option available. There is only 2.0 bios file for instant flash. Where can I find a dos one for at least 1.50?


Check you other post Lexius. I've uploaded the latest DOS file for you.


Posted By: Nemesis.ie
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2017 at 8:35pm
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It makes sense.
I was getting CPU Vcore fluctuations from x370 v2.0 for my Pro Gamer and went back to v1.60.


Are you sure that's not normal based on load/droop?

What LLC are you using? Maybe the LLC was just fixed/not working/buggy in the older version?

Not saying you are wrong, just looking at reasons/options. :)


Posted By: Bill H
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 1:31am
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Are you sure that's not normal based on load/droop?

What LLC are you using? Maybe the LLC was just fixed/not working/buggy in the older version?

Not saying you are wrong, just looking at reasons/options. :)


I have since gone back to v2.0.  After verifying the settings I carried over from using v1.60
I got to checking. First I checked voltage indications in BIOS H/W Monitor, then compared them to 
HWiNFO64 v5.50-3130 and CPUID HWMonitor. CPUID HWMonitor was indicating voltages that were double what HWiNFO64 or the BIOS showed for CPU Vcore.
I launched CPU-Z and it showed the same results as CPUID HWMonitor with Vcore times 2. 
After seeing that, I concluded that the third party sensor apps(CPUID HWMonitor and CPUZ) are misinterpreting the voltages.
By the way, I have set LLC for Vcore to level 4 and am getting a stable overclock
with SMT enabled of 4000MHz.  I am having fun tweaking BIOS settings. It's really nice
being able to save settings.
Version 2.0 works great. Seems as though the third part apps will need to update.


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X370 Pro Gamer - 1800x@4000 -
EVGA GTX 1080 Hydro Copper SLI -
G.SKILL F4-3000C14D-16GTZ@3200MHz - Single liquid loop


Posted By: Nemesis.ie
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 3:03am
" rel="nofollow - Yes, those apps are showing 2x the real voltage for me too.

The only one that seems to have it right is OCCT.

Can you post a snapshot of your 4000 settings. Mine (1800x) is working beautifully at 3925 with a nice low voltage (under 1.3) but needs masses more when it goes higher and OCCT becomes unstable/has odd behavior over 3950.

Have you tried OCCT? IT really seems to be the best at picking up instability.

The profiles are really helpful for sure, I am finding they only load if CMOS has been cleared though, so switching between them quickly to compare settings is a no go. Are you seeing that?

I'm really looking forward to the next AGESA.

Also wondering why all of the Asrock Ryzen boards have had further updates and a fixed AGESA version except for the supposedly top of the line Fatality Gaming pro ...


Posted By: cutterjohn
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 3:54am
Originally posted by Nemesis.ie Nemesis.ie wrote:

" rel="nofollow - Yes, those apps are showing 2x the real voltage for me too.

The only one that seems to have it right is OCCT.

Can you post a snapshot of your 4000 settings. Mine (1800x) is working beautifully at 3925 with a nice low voltage (under 1.3) but needs masses more when it goes higher and OCCT becomes unstable/has odd behavior over 3950.

Have you tried OCCT? IT really seems to be the best at picking up instability.

The profiles are really helpful for sure, I am finding they only load if CMOS has been cleared though, so switching between them quickly to compare settings is a no go. Are you seeing that?

I'm really looking forward to the next AGESA.

Also wondering why all of the Asrock Ryzen boards have had further updates and a fixed AGESA version except for the supposedly top of the line Fatality Gaming pro ...
I am on the pro BUT I had ASSUMED that it was related to failed memory OCing attempts and found out that yes I had to clear CMOS to get it to load profiles again.  As implied I WAS surmising that it was PURELY related to failed memory OCs and would otherwise work properly as it did in 1.93D... but I guess NOT...


Posted By: Bill H
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 9:28am
Yes, OCCT 4.5.0 is accurate. I haven't had any problems stress testing with it, even
up to 4100MHz. To run that speed stable I have to disable SMT, bump the
Vcore offset to 11250. It runs well for gaming, but I usually keep it at 4000MHz
for every day.

I haven't had any problems loading from any saved profiles.

The only problem I have had is enabling SMT after it was disabled.

After selecting SMT on and F10, shutdown, unplug the AC cord from the power supply and bleed
the caps by pushing the power button several times.

As for posting a pic of the BIOS settings, I need to read up on posting pics.

I haven't been in a Forum like this since the 90's. 


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X370 Pro Gamer - 1800x@4000 -
EVGA GTX 1080 Hydro Copper SLI -
G.SKILL F4-3000C14D-16GTZ@3200MHz - Single liquid loop


Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 10:05am
Originally posted by Bill H Bill H wrote:

Yes, OCCT 4.5.0 is accurate. I haven't had any problems stress testing with it, even
up to 4100MHz. To run that speed stable I have to disable SMT, bump the
Vcore offset to 11250. It runs well for gaming, but I usually keep it at 4000MHz
for every day.

I haven't had any problems loading from any saved profiles.

The only problem I have had is enabling SMT after it was disabled.

After selecting SMT on and F10, shutdown, unplug the AC cord from the power supply and bleed
the caps by pushing the power button several times.

As for posting a pic of the BIOS settings, I need to read up on posting pics.

I haven't been in a Forum like this since the 90's. 


This forum requires the use of an image hosting website in order to post pictures. You upload the pictures to the image hosting site, get a copy of the URL for the picture from the site, and use that in the Insert Image tool in the forum post editor. The little icon of a green tree is the Insert Image tool.

You can capture screenshots of the UEFI/BIOS screens with a small USB flash drive (16GB max) in a USB port in the IO panel. With a UEFI screen on the monitor, press the F12 key, and you should see a message that the image was saved to the USB flash drive.




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Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 10:12am
Originally posted by Lexius Lexius wrote:

" rel="nofollow - Hello, I was wondering that my motherboard came with P 1.40, and can't even find files for dos upgrade. No instant flash option available. There is only 2.0 bios file for instant flash. Where can I find a dos one for at least 1.50?


And, here's a excellent reason for not removing all the previous UEFI/BIOS versions! Ouch

Early production/stock of Ryzen boards will have the first, somewhat incomplete UEFI versions. Obviously everyone has not used the early board stocks yet, or updated to a version that added Instant Flash yet. Jumping the gun a bit at ASRock about removing the early UEFI versions, sorry about that!

You can contact ASRock Tech support, that should be able to provide you with a copy of the appropriate UEFI version:

http://event.asrock.com/tsd.asp" rel="nofollow - http://event.asrock.com/tsd.asp


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Posted By: Bill H
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 10:26am
Originally posted by parsec parsec wrote:

Originally posted by Lexius Lexius wrote:

" rel="nofollow - Hello, I was wondering that my motherboard came with P 1.40, and can't even find files for dos upgrade. No instant flash option available. There is only 2.0 bios file for instant flash. Where can I find a dos one for at least 1.50?


And, here's a excellent reason for not removing all the previous UEFI/BIOS versions! Ouch

Early production/stock of Ryzen boards will have the first, somewhat incomplete UEFI versions. Obviously everyone has not used the early board stocks yet, or updated to a version that added Instant Flash yet. Jumping the gun a bit at ASRock about removing the early UEFI versions, sorry about that!

You can contact ASRock Tech support, that should be able to provide you with a copy of the appropriate UEFI version:

http://event.asrock.com/tsd.asp" rel="nofollow - http://event.asrock.com/tsd.asp

You can also request DOS BIOS versions in the AMD Motherboards Forum.

http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=5009&title=request-dos-flashing-bios-files-here





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X370 Pro Gamer - 1800x@4000 -
EVGA GTX 1080 Hydro Copper SLI -
G.SKILL F4-3000C14D-16GTZ@3200MHz - Single liquid loop


Posted By: Lisanderus
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 11:24am
" rel="nofollow - I bought a motherboard with BIOS version 1.5 ... first I found out that I had to update the version only through Windows (oh god). Secondly, there was no such version on your site. Good people helped by dropping version 2.0 WINDOWS. Why are you doing this :(?


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 11:55am
Originally posted by Bill H Bill H wrote:

I haven't been in a Forum like this since the 90's. 


Old Fart! It's changed since the ASCII days TongueLOL


Welcome to the ASRock Forums Bill. Not sure what yours says but my odometer rolled over to 57 earlier this year.


Posted By: Bill H
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 12:41pm
Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Originally posted by Bill H Bill H wrote:

I haven't been in a Forum like this since the 90's. 


Old Fart! It's changed since the ASCII days TongueLOL


Welcome to the ASRock Forums Bill. Not sure what yours says but my odometer rolled over to 57 earlier this year.

Past grey to white hair, 68 in June.
Hand built my first PC in 1976. 8 bit Intel 8080 1.7MHz, 8k RAM.
I had to hand assemble a video driver for it, none came with the video board.


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X370 Pro Gamer - 1800x@4000 -
EVGA GTX 1080 Hydro Copper SLI -
G.SKILL F4-3000C14D-16GTZ@3200MHz - Single liquid loop


Posted By: Bill H
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 12:47pm
Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Originally posted by Bill H Bill H wrote:

I haven't been in a Forum like this since the 90's. 


Old Fart! It's changed since the ASCII days TongueLOL


Welcome to the ASRock Forums Bill. Not sure what yours says but my odometer rolled over to 57 earlier this year.

Where is an appropriate thread to post pics of BIOS settings and sensor results?


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X370 Pro Gamer - 1800x@4000 -
EVGA GTX 1080 Hydro Copper SLI -
G.SKILL F4-3000C14D-16GTZ@3200MHz - Single liquid loop


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2017 at 8:07pm
Originally posted by Bill H Bill H wrote:

Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Originally posted by Bill H Bill H wrote:

I haven't been in a Forum like this since the 90's. 


Old Fart! It's changed since the ASCII days TongueLOL


Welcome to the ASRock Forums Bill. Not sure what yours says but my odometer rolled over to 57 earlier this year.

Where is an appropriate thread to post pics of BIOS settings and sensor results?


Meh, put 'em up right here Bill as this has gotten way way off topic anyways.


Posted By: Bill H
Date Posted: 01 May 2017 at 4:15pm
Originally posted by Nemesis.ie Nemesis.ie wrote:


Can you post a snapshot of your 4000 settings.

4000 MHz settings X370 Fatal1ty Pro Gamer 1800x BIOS v2.00








Sensor results under load 





4100 MHz settings SMT disabled










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EVGA GTX 1080 Hydro Copper SLI -
G.SKILL F4-3000C14D-16GTZ@3200MHz - Single liquid loop



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