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Topic: new bios versions out (dont rush)
Posted By: datonyb
Subject: new bios versions out (dont rush)
Date Posted: 05 May 2017 at 1:58am
seems we have had a new bios out today

for most of us dont risk the flash process
it would seem it is only a change to the identifying line of text in hwinfo

eg it now reports itself as agesa 1004 and not agesa 1003

so the few people who just cannot sleep at night with bios version 1004 saying its 1003 in hwinfo can now

GET SOME SLEEP

LOL


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Posted By: Kevin A
Date Posted: 05 May 2017 at 2:24am
That would be disappointing if there were no significant changes in the newly released UEFI/Bios update.

Although, it would not be a surprise at this point as AsRock made the best X370 Motherboards 'component-wise' and even 'feature-wise' - the UEFI/Bios experience and usability of it has been another story. Asus and Gigabyte X370 customers complained a ton at first(early March)... but those manufacturers 'stepped' up and produced updates 'worthy' of their Brand...


I hope this month AsRock does the same, as the BCLK external generator does not function correctly. The competition has proven they can implement their BCLK generator design flawlessly, as well as vastly improving DDR4 memory performance and compatibility.

I'll download the latest Bios and check it out later today... cant hurt worse than it already does... right???



Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 05 May 2017 at 2:47am
well in a way i sort of disagree
asrock HAVE listened to the users on here

and changed a bit of bios to prevent the sleepless nights of a few who sit staring at there computer screen with hwinfo open and demand it to say 1004

Hug     feel the love.............

meanwhile back in the real world lets hope the rest of the bios team are working with amd and making the most of the 1005 release to cover as many brands and versions of ram to QVL some good results may we hope for 3600?
may we hope support for overclocking some tasty samsung b dies to 4000

on a side note i believe the gigabyte you mention ALSO has an issue with hwinfo reporting agesa as 1003
myself ?

i wont be bothering to update to version 2.2
i just found it amusing they even bothered to release/waste time changing the id string to keep some tin hat wearer happy

(footnote..im not implying you to be a tin hat wearer the object of my banter isnt aimed directly at anyone)


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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 05 May 2017 at 2:51am
" rel="nofollow - cut n paste from reddit/amd

Greetings, this is ASRock TSD. The BIOS structure of BIOS P2.00 is exactly v1.0.0.4a, and it's also confirmed by AMD. Because the 3rd party tool read the AGESA code version from the specific strings and the strings hasn't been modified as v1.0.0.4a, the 3rd party tool just show the AGEDA code as the old version v1.0.0.3?? But we have released latest BIOS P2.30 to Update Agesa Version string "SummitPI-AM4 1.0.0.4a", please refer blow link to verify again.

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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 05 May 2017 at 2:55am
^unfortunately i didnt actually
'please refer  blow link to verify again'

in fact i dont really wish to blow anything Smile
but to be fair
their english is still much better than my taiwanese


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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 05 May 2017 at 3:26am
Could have been as bad as MSI had it.

They, MSI, took ALL their BIOSes down and stranded their Users with what the had.



I agree with daytonb, ASRock has and is listening. While at times it seems they're slow in responding to BIOS issues, of which AM4/Ryzen is loaded with, the BIOSes ASRock releases have been painless when compared to other board manufacturers BIOS releases.

Evey ones systems act and behave different, depending, from one release to the other. Trust me, ASRocks BIOS Engineers, yes there are BIOS Engineers as it's a black science, are working diligently to accommodate Users.


 


Posted By: Kevin A
Date Posted: 05 May 2017 at 8:20am
Ah, the 'team up'!!! Good. Ok, nonetheless I never indicated 'slowness' regarding Bios updates. I just finished reading an OC Guide at Tom's Hardware featuring the Asus X370 Top Tier board. That guide touted all of the things they can do with the UEFI/Bios that Asus offers... -yep, that the 'competition' offers.

In the guide I read, I came across point after point that is not available to me, it was very 'glaring' and a 'stark contrast' IMO.

I do believe ASRocks Bios team is top notch on the Intel side. There simply may not be that dedication on the AMD side(...UEFI/Bios only, as the hardware/component design is better than the competitors). Results matter. As do experiences of the customers. Understand, I still believe I made the 'best' X370 purchase when comparing to the other 2 Top competitors being Asus and Gigabyte(MSI didn't even show up...).

If, some 'parity' in UEFI/Bios (whether real or euphoric) is not experienced as the weeks turn into months I'm certain most will be disappointed at the very least.

btw here is the link to Tom's:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/overclocking-amd-ryzen,5011.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/overclocking-amd-ryzen,5011.html


Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 05 May 2017 at 12:08pm
Originally posted by Kevin A Kevin A wrote:

Ah, the 'team up'!!! Good. Ok, nonetheless I never indicated 'slowness' regarding Bios updates. I just finished reading an OC Guide at Tom's Hardware featuring the Asus X370 Top Tier board. That guide touted all of the things they can do with the UEFI/Bios that Asus offers... -yep, that the 'competition' offers.

In the guide I read, I came across point after point that is not available to me, it was very 'glaring' and a 'stark contrast' IMO.

I do believe ASRocks Bios team is top notch on the Intel side. There simply may not be that dedication on the AMD side(...UEFI/Bios only, as the hardware/component design is better than the competitors). Results matter. As do experiences of the customers. Understand, I still believe I made the 'best' X370 purchase when comparing to the other 2 Top competitors being Asus and Gigabyte(MSI didn't even show up...).

If, some 'parity' in UEFI/Bios (whether real or euphoric) is not experienced as the weeks turn into months I'm certain most will be disappointed at the very least.

btw here is the link to Tom's:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/overclocking-amd-ryzen,5011.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/overclocking-amd-ryzen,5011.html


There is another glaring and stark contrast between the AM4 product lines of Asus and ASRock, as wardog pointed out shortly after Ryzen processors were released. That contrast is still true today.

Asus has five AM4 board models. ASRock has fourteen AM4 board models.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/index.asp#AM4" rel="nofollow - http://www.asrock.com/mb/index.asp#AM4

http://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/AMD-platform-Products" rel="nofollow - http://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/AMD-platform-Products

With almost three times the number of AM4 model boards to support, ASRock has a bit more to deal with. Shocked

The X370 Taichi board is $190 after rebate on 4/4/2017 at Newegg. The X370 ROG Crosshair VI Hero at Newegg on 4/4/2017 is on sale for $255. You may be getting more UEFI/BIOS options now, but you're paying for it. No surprise really.

You did fail to mention a few things about this wonderful UEFI/BIOS version that Asus has for their board. All the bugs that were found in it and reported in the review. I only made it to page three of the review in your post's link, when this (the second) bug was reported. To quote:

"Nothing died, but we discovered a 1.1V software setting was really 1.7V on the board"

That's the VCore being set to 1.7V instead of 1.1V. A followup quote from the review about this:

The bug was reported to Asus, and a representative told us it'd be corrected in the next version of TurboV Core. Just before publishing, we tried the latest version of TurboV Core and discovered that, instead of dialing in an incorrect voltage, the application now crashes instead.

Personally, I will be euphoric if ASRock does not duplicate this fine work by Asus. Dead

I can only ask, what is wrong with ASRock's "... dedication on the AMD side (UEFI/BIOS only..."?

I could go on, but I must agree, that review speaks for itself. Pinch


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Posted By: GenesisDoes
Date Posted: 05 May 2017 at 1:56pm
I have no issues with 2.0 except the detection issues with Silicon Motion SSD's. I will wait a bit before updating to 2.2, make sure other people don't run into some big issue.

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Posted By: Lisanderus
Date Posted: 05 May 2017 at 4:08pm
Really, 2->2.2 and only text string changed? Clap


Posted By: Kevin A
Date Posted: 05 May 2017 at 5:02pm
" rel="nofollow - Your response is accomplishing...? What? I may have missed it. If you are discussing quantity vs quality then maybe you should start a separate thread parsec, as that would be a different discussion that was not even mentioned in my earlier post.

You also erroneously stated I failed to mention...? How does your mind conclude that? I didn't mention specifics as I deemed it inappropriate or entirely unnecessary to what point I was making. A point about Brand name, UEFI/Bios usability/performance and DDR4 compatibility. And as the very fact that there is a TurboVCore on the competitors product line speaks volumes. You mentioned that utility in your post, not I.

Nor did I quote from a competitors site/article. I gave my view on it, that is all. You chose to quote from a competitors site/article, again you did that for your reason that accomplished... what?

parsec you have an agenda. I have a historic view that has been alive and well long before you or I were born. That view is: Brand name matters. And a company who has been around for quite some time cannot take it for granted nor marginalize it. I regularly visit the forums of Gigabyte and Asus... just to pick up on the atmosphere of their corresponding AM4/Ryzen communities and the interaction with Moderators. It's...educating.


Posted By: MrMajestyk
Date Posted: 05 May 2017 at 8:02pm
No comment on the above..

I have installed it, didn't go through all settings but under advanced settings you will now find Dram Timings overclock and ohm adjustment. Unfortunately in my case it didn't help to run the ram with specs. Since 2.0 I'm able to run 3200 18-14-14-34.
I have the Taichi and like it and am positive things will improve.

Actually I'm not sure if I'm using this new ram settings correctly. I just set the values in OC tweaking manually. The timings will be added automatically in the ram overclocking settings, so the only I fiddle around is the ohm setting, highest I tested was 53.3


Posted By: Kevin A
Date Posted: 05 May 2017 at 8:39pm
Excellent news, I downloaded it and haven't had a opportunity to update the BIOS. Just upon hearing there are some new DDR adjustments is a worthy update, and hopefully will assist in me getting my memory to run at 2666mhz or dare I hope to 3000mhz...perhaps even to what they are rated for @3200mhz!

I'll spend some time on the weekend doing some tweaking! Thanks.


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 05 May 2017 at 9:27pm
Originally posted by Kevin A Kevin A wrote:

Ah, the 'team up'!!!


Kev, no teaming up with datonyb from here. If you were to go back and read some of posts you'd discover I don't carry anyone's water. I'll blast ASRock as fast as anyone else. I simply happened to agree with his statement at that time and place. I still do agree with it.


parsec
's point of Asus's 4 vs ASRock's 14 AM4 boards didn't seem to carry much weight with you. Yet in browsing through the other manufacturers forums you certainly had to have read the seeming "confusion' of/by the manuf's concerning BIOS releases and even the pulling of some. I myself actually spend quite a bit of time perusing in manufacturers forums other than ASRocks.


Lest we forget, AM4/Ryzen is a completely new platform. Ground up.


Na. You and I, we bought tickets on the First Adopter Rollercoaster. It's too late to be sour over our choices. First Adopter status carries with it the inherent ups and downs of that ride once strapped in and moving. The ride will end, soon enough.

Just don't barf during this ride as that may be me strapped in behind you WinkTongue










Posted By: Kevin A
Date Posted: 05 May 2017 at 11:17pm
I agree a new platform will have issues. It did for my I-7 as well as my FX-8350 workstation builds, and they cleared up over time. I set my expectations similarly with Ryzen/AsRock. I did my research into the layout design, the features then I looked into the boards at the 'component' level. The X370 Taichi and the Fatality X370 Professional Gaming have the best 'hardware engineering' and 'design' IMO. No 'sour-ness' of any kind at that level.

It's my experiences with the UEFI/Bios that lead me to post my views - such as they are. Yep, 'Mine'. Also influencing me is not the scores of reviews and tech bloggers and the like but... ONE site.

I believe moderators here at AsRock have linked to it as well. Here it is:
http://rymem.vraith.com/basic/top10" rel="nofollow - http://rymem.vraith.com/basic/top10

With such a superior design, why is not the X370 Taichi nor the Fatality X370 Professional Gaming 'ruling' the 'top ten'. The site is not biased. It's very 'open-sourced' in it's approach. So due to the fact that the AsRock X370 motherboards are 'hardware superior'..., why are there not even as much as 1 AsRock X370 motherboard on the top ten? AFAIK, they should dominate this board entirely. First place thru Tenth place.(!) Just my (strong,obviously..) view.


Posted By: twf85
Date Posted: 06 May 2017 at 2:21am
" rel="nofollow - Well.. Hold on a second. Seems that most in this thread are quick to scoff at this update, remarking how insignificant it is to change the AGESA version string.

Is that really the case?

Not all that familiar with AGESA, but it would seem to me that software may read that string and behave differently depending on the set value.

On the flip side, if I'm wrong, is there really any harm in updating? I'd like to see if there is any change in the Restart to UEFI app.. I would be very pleased if I could decrease my boot times a little.

Happy Testing ;)


EDIT: Didn't realize there was a second page

Originally posted by Kevin A Kevin A wrote:

With such a superior design, why is not the X370 Taichi nor the Fatality X370 Professional Gaming 'ruling' the 'top ten'.

In a word, "cost". People buy ASUS because they have made a name for themselves as being "the best". People buying into that image are more likely to be less cost conscious than people buying into any other brand, such as ASRock. Long and short, you're more likely to see higher quality / higher cost components going into ASUS builds, where people are more likely to be shooting for the highest performance possible.

There's also the fact that, because ASUS is able to command some of the highest prices around due to their reputation, a reviewer pushing the limits of Ryzen would be expected to use ASUS. Otherwise the reviewer might risk their work being perceived as less relevant. "Maximum potential of Ryzen" = "'Best' Parts Available". It all boils down to public perception.

People buy ASRock because you can achieve many of the same things as any other top tier board manufacturer, but at a lower cost.

One man's opinion, but I share your sentiment in the sense that it would be nice to see "my board" competing at the top of the pack. Then again, going strictly off of the RyMem Top10 list, there's no indication that the speeds achieve were stable over a substantial length of time. May just be something they did for bragging rights, or a review.

Which, again, when you're buying the most premium parts available, you may not be that concerned with bricking your components/system. The end game for someone pushing their RAM to beyond the 3600 threshold that isn't even officially available yet, is to see just how far Ryzen can go. You don't head down that path without expecting, on some level, that destruction of property is a potential result.


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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 06 May 2017 at 2:47am
well i must admit
i didnt forsee any heat in this debate when i posted the topic

i was merely having a little chuckle at changing a line of code

what did give me a chuckle is TEAMING UP

jeez i dont work for asrock
i cant recall any conversation or in fact recall any direct reply between me and wardog

but hey if im on the team can i start getting some damn freebees from asrock please ?

as for asus well hey great they got the fastest overclock ram
(from my point of view and many others even if asrock release a super bios today with 135+ bckclk
i still wont be using it ,i rather like my expensive nvme staying stable at 100 mhtz thanks)

now as for asus and the crosshair yes it must be nice having one of the worlds top overclockers writing bios and a group (should that read team) of hardcore overclockers that support the ROG community all willing to test every beta they write
all i read at launch period was bricked asus crosshairs

so may i state my point again ?
lets hope the bios guys at asrock are mainly busy making all efforts to get this upcoming agesa 1005 nice and smooth with no bugs and some real effort to address ram speed out the box without the select few of more financially able people ONLY able to get fast ram with bckclk boards

yes i do have the taichi,getting max on bckclk isnt the reason i bought it
i paid over twice as much because i like the screenprinting LOL
oh no it was actually due to an even number of cute lickle black boxes to the left and top of the cpu socket ...............

come on guys lighten up
give everyone from every brand of board a chance to iron out the early problems
save your concerns for real issues like starving people and corrupt governments and low lifes mugging old people on the streets


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Posted By: TooQik
Date Posted: 06 May 2017 at 2:35pm
Well I've downloaded and installed the new 2.20 BIOS for the X370 Taichi and had another play with trying to get my RAM to run above 2400 but without any success. I do like the inclusion of the ProcODT setting in the new BIOS even though I was unsuccessful in using it to get my RAM speeds up.

Regarding the comments about BIOS support, it does appear that ASUS has a more active community when it comes to tweaking settings and making changes to their BIOSes for their users. I expect part of the push for that comes from their ROG branding strategy to gain more people who are into the overclocking of their PCs.

My previous PC ran the ASUS Crosshair V Formula with an FX-8350 which I had running between 4.8 and 5.1 GHz, so I have experience with their BIOSes and overclocking settings. When I chose to upgrade to my new Ryzen 1700 I did look initially at purchasing their new Crosshair VI but after reading a number of reviews I decided the Asrock X370 Taichi was the better board from a hardware component perspective. I'm sure Asrock will "catch-up" with their BIOS options but I personally much prefer the slow and steady approach to BIOS releases to ensure as safe and as stable a platform as possible.

Probably one thing I would like to see is release notes with each BIOS release so people can see what exactly has been changed / added / removed. This would alleviate people's conjecture on what exactly each new BIOS has addressed.


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 06 May 2017 at 3:00pm
Originally posted by twf85 twf85 wrote:

It all boils down to public perception.

People buy ASRock because you can achieve many of the same things as any other top tier board manufacturer, but at a lower cost.


Thumbs Up


Review sites lean towards what they "sell' to the uninformed masses. And that's what they are doing, selling. Sadly, to drive advertising income via page views, I "get' that. I switched to ASRock after taking a long view at what I'm getting for my money compared to other boards. I have no regrets. In some curve ball way the Review sites I feel are doing their readers a disservice "pimping' for other board manufacturers. Hence the results at Rymem's ratings.



Public(uninformed) perception ........... Buying with your eyes and brain closed.











Posted By: TooQik
Date Posted: 06 May 2017 at 3:31pm
Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Originally posted by twf85 twf85 wrote:

It all boils down to public perception.

People buy ASRock because you can achieve many of the same things as any other top tier board manufacturer, but at a lower cost.


Thumbs Up


Review sites lean towards what they "sell' to the uninformed masses. And that's what they are doing, selling. Sadly, to drive advertising income via page views, I "get' that. I switched to ASRock after taking a long view at what I'm getting for my money compared to other boards. I have no regrets. In some curve ball way the Review sites I feel are doing their readers a disservice "pimping' for other board manufacturers. Hence the results at Rymem's ratings.



Public(uninformed) perception ........... Buying with your eyes and brain closed.











While I generally agree with your comment about review sites leaning towards brands they sell, it cuts both ways as evident when you go to a manufacturers website and see links to the reviews which hold their product in high regard.

The only way to get a good feel for a product is to get a good cross section of information before buying it. It's hard to find unbiased opinions but if you read up enough reviews, user comments and technical articles you can generally get a good idea of a product's strengths and weaknesses.


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 06 May 2017 at 3:44pm
Originally posted by TooQik TooQik wrote:

Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Originally posted by twf85 twf85 wrote:

It all boils down to public perception.

People buy ASRock because you can achieve many of the same things as any other top tier board manufacturer, but at a lower cost.


Thumbs Up


Review sites lean towards what they "sell' to the uninformed masses. And that's what they are doing, selling. Sadly, to drive advertising income via page views, I "get' that. I switched to ASRock after taking a long view at what I'm getting for my money compared to other boards. I have no regrets. In some curve ball way the Review sites I feel are doing their readers a disservice "pimping' for other board manufacturers. Hence the results at Rymem's ratings.



Public(uninformed) perception ........... Buying with your eyes and brain closed.











While I generally agree with your comment about review sites leaning towards brands they sell, it cuts both ways as evident when you go to a manufacturers website and see links to the reviews which hold their product in high regard.

The only way to get a good feel for a product is to get a good cross section of information before buying it. It's hard to find unbiased opinions but if you read up enough reviews, user comments and technical articles you can generally get a good idea of a product's strengths and weaknesses.


For sure it's a narrow two way street.

Yet when one MB get's a 4 page review and a <choose the manuf> gets a 10 page fully detailed review, well  ........... That difference alone sways perception.

It is consolation reading the Glowing Reviews of ASRock boards all of you write up on NewEgg. My hats off to all for taking the time to do so.






Posted By: Kevin A
Date Posted: 07 May 2017 at 7:24am
Well, the new Bios did have another area to change the DDR4 basic timings and the ProcODT Impedance that can reduce signal feedback at higher speed DDR frequencies.

I'm still @2400Mhz CAS 12 after scores of attempts to even get 1 stick @2666. Perhaps I'll have better success after AMD releases new updates this month to the manufacturers. I nevertheless sent in a Tech support ticket to AsRock to address the missing 'Command Rate' being displayed in the UEFI, as well as it needs to be configurable. Hopefully the ticket gets some kind of attention. It would also be nice if the AsRock UEFI also displayed the FSB:Dram ratio to assist those who manually configure DDR4 timings and such.

I think this month may be a big month for Ryzen owners if AMD/Mobo manufacturers work out at least some of the DDR4 and UEFI settings/options issues. Now back to some CPU OC'ing...


Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 07 May 2017 at 8:39am
Originally posted by Kevin A Kevin A wrote:

" rel="nofollow - Your response is accomplishing...? What? I may have missed it. If you are discussing quantity vs quality then maybe you should start a separate thread parsec, as that would be a different discussion that was not even mentioned in my earlier post.

You also erroneously stated I failed to mention...? How does your mind conclude that? I didn't mention specifics as I deemed it inappropriate or entirely unnecessary to what point I was making. A point about Brand name, UEFI/Bios usability/performance and DDR4 compatibility. And as the very fact that there is a TurboVCore on the competitors product line speaks volumes. You mentioned that utility in your post, not I.

Nor did I quote from a competitors site/article. I gave my view on it, that is all. You chose to quote from a competitors site/article, again you did that for your reason that accomplished... what?

parsec you have an agenda. I have a historic view that has been alive and well long before you or I were born. That view is: Brand name matters. And a company who has been around for quite some time cannot take it for granted nor marginalize it. I regularly visit the forums of Gigabyte and Asus... just to pick up on the atmosphere of their corresponding AM4/Ryzen communities and the interaction with Moderators. It's...educating.


All I can say about this is, you ignored my point completely.

Since I apparently missed your point, what was it? Besides your comment about moderators.

I quoted from the review in the link in your post. That review was the motivation for your post, correct?

I thought it was about the UEFI/BIOS options and how superior they are compared to the ASRock board's UEFI/BIOS?

I then began reading the review, and was surprised by what I read, given your comments. I then commented on that. If someone read your post and did not read the review, they would likely think that board's UEFI/BIOS was superior, as you clearly implied in that post. What I quickly found in the review was quite different. That is the point.

My only agenda was reality.

Now you begin talking about brand names, which is yet another topic.

Our styles are clearly different. You prefer to speak in generalities, while I prefer specifics. The devil is in the details.

If my comments as a moderator are automatically suspect and have an agenda, then what can I do to alleviate that? Suggesting that the review speaks for itself is being as unbiased as possible.


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Posted By: Kevin A
Date Posted: 07 May 2017 at 9:15am
" rel="nofollow - Still attempting to score a point, eh? parsec, no need...the 'reality' is it? The 'reality' then is simple. A customers experience with a product directly relates to a consumer view of that 'Brand Name', as well as the response from that 'Brand Name' when issues arise.

In this case... it is not 'hardware related' that is developing a view that is negative, actually the hardware has received very positive views. It is 'UEFI/Bios related'...that is not. See, simple? Reality. Even if it never is accepted by you. That won't bother me a bit. Nor do I need your approval to view the 'reality' of what garners a negative experience with many customers in the 'here and now'. And your attempt to 'label' something I say as a 'generality' is on the immature side of debating an issue. Again... yes specifically... not in some generality... the UEFI/Bios is what can and is developing a negative view among some, especially when compared to other Brands who are having great(er) success with DDR4 compatibility, higher speeds and BCLK adjustments.

Try as you may, I will never need your approval on what is specific or reality. Just a...specific fact of reality.

And please...It was a bit entertaining when I read some words that to me are completely, entirely disingenuous. They were... "If my comments as a moderator are automatically suspect and have an agenda, then what can I do to alleviate that?"

parsec, I have grasped all 'I need know' about you as a Moderator. Nothing more required.





Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 09 May 2017 at 11:09am
Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Originally posted by TooQik TooQik wrote:

Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Originally posted by twf85 twf85 wrote:

It all boils down to public perception.

People buy ASRock because you can achieve many of the same things as any other top tier board manufacturer, but at a lower cost.


Thumbs Up


Review sites lean towards what they "sell' to the uninformed masses. And that's what they are doing, selling. Sadly, to drive advertising income via page views, I "get' that. I switched to ASRock after taking a long view at what I'm getting for my money compared to other boards. I have no regrets. In some curve ball way the Review sites I feel are doing their readers a disservice "pimping' for other board manufacturers. Hence the results at Rymem's ratings.



Public(uninformed) perception ........... Buying with your eyes and brain closed.











While I generally agree with your comment about review sites leaning towards brands they sell, it cuts both ways as evident when you go to a manufacturers website and see links to the reviews which hold their product in high regard.

The only way to get a good feel for a product is to get a good cross section of information before buying it. It's hard to find unbiased opinions but if you read up enough reviews, user comments and technical articles you can generally get a good idea of a product's strengths and weaknesses.


For sure it's a narrow two way street.

Yet when one MB get's a 4 page review and a <choose the manuf> gets a 10 page fully detailed review, well  ........... That difference alone sways perception.

It is consolation reading the Glowing Reviews of ASRock boards all of you write up on NewEgg. My hats off to all for taking the time to do so.






Would you two chill for christs sake! It reads like two women arguing, both trying to get that last final "jab" in.

Can't we all just get along. Life's too short already.





You don't even need to read the article. Simply scroll down to the Comments section.

TomsHardware; Best CPU's of 2017
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-cpus,3986.html




Tell you two what. You two kiss and make nice and I'll stop posting of peoples perceptions and the BIG HUMONGOUS sites out there that lean Intel.




Lean, hell. That TomsHardware article above couldn't have been dictated to a Secretary to post on their site due to the Author(used loosely) giving Intels testicles a slurpy lips closed tongue bath.

YEA, I'M IN A GRUMPY MOOD TONIGHT SO I FULLY EXPECT TO BE CHASTISED FOR WRITING WHAT I JUST DID THERE. BUT NO MEA CULPA FROM ME FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH.












Note: Users, Do not do what I just did. Not unless you care to be severely flagellated and then PERMANENTLY BANNED from here by me, no less. Do as I say, not what I do. Comprende mi amigo?'





Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 10 May 2017 at 3:24am
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Objectivity is the first thing lost from being held by a conglomerate. Revenue, revenue, revenue!


Posted By: soleil14
Date Posted: 10 May 2017 at 2:22pm
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