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Topic: Ryzen RAM question
Posted By: Rosanbo
Subject: Ryzen RAM question
Date Posted: 28 May 2017 at 1:00am
" rel="nofollow - Ok, Newbie here, I don't know much about computing.
I have read the 2 sticky threads on RAM here.

Anyway I am intending to build a complete Ryzen system, with all new parts. All has yet to be purchased. I was thinking X370 Taichi, Ryzen 1800x, Samsung 960 Evo 1TB SSD.

My reading so far has made me aware that Ryzen CPU don't work well with "4 channels" of RAM i.e. 4 RAM slots occupied, if all 4 are occupied RAM is limited to 2133Mhz(?) irrespective of what speed your RAM chips are. Which I am understanding is down to the UEFI.

Also if only 2 RAM slots occupied RAM can work up to 2999Mhz.

So I am confused. What is the limiting factor that means you cannot put in 3400Mhz RAM and expect to get 34000Mhz running capacity... Be it 2 slots or 4 slots of RAM.?

Is it something that AMD has limited in the design of the CPU or is it something else... It can't be the mobo manufacturers because it hapens on all mobos.

Is it something that AMD will be fixing/changing? How would they do that? Would it be a redesign of the CPU chip or a "software" change or a different chipset on a mobo?

Has AMD done this to protect the CPU from becoming unstable with higher RAM speeds, why would it become unstable? And why limit it more with 4 RAM slots?

If I wait, will the Ryzen chips be changed/improved or will the mobos be physically changed or will it be UEFI flash upgrade?

I don't like the idea of flashing the UEFI as that can fry the mobo..I have read. So I would rather wait until the mobos being sold have been upgraded.

Also I guess that ASRock mobos cannot be flash upgraded by internet link? rather it has to be done on a USB. Internet link is easier but the review I read (PC World: How to flash your BIOS) did not tell me which mobo manufacturer it was that did direct internet link UEFI upgrades.



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Posted By: Nemesis.ie
Date Posted: 28 May 2017 at 4:52am
The new 1.0.0.6 is reported to improve 4 stick use, but if you can get away with just two it will work better.

With 2, the new UEFI will go up to 4000MHz+.

Current UEFIs, 3200MHz+ (where + needs refclk OC).

4 modules places more load on the built in memory controller hence with 4 you will likely see lower clocks, but potentially have a bigger pool of RAM if you need it.

You may be looking at months before the default UEFI includes AGESA 1.0.0.6 in shipping boards.

It is quite safe if you a) don't lose power during the process and b) flash a verified release UEFI using a USB stick.

The x370 (and probably the lower end ones too) boards do include internet flash right in the UEFI, I have used it about 4 times with no issues so far on my X370 FPG.



Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 28 May 2017 at 7:37pm
" rel="nofollow - wow quite a lot of questions in a single post :)
ok so firstly
the taichi is a very nice board ,plenty of features and has a good upgrade path for the future (eg as yet unreleased cpus that may require more power) it has also become very popular so plenty of users with advice and experiance
the samsung 960 is a great nvme hd (although after buying one myself i do wonder if most users need this extra bandwidth) in real use for booting and gaming they are no faster than a good sata3 ssd shown in many reviews, however if creating large video editing files etc then they do show massive improvements
now ram ................ it is still early days for the ryzen systems to have the actualy firmware ( eg code written) to properly assign/use all the ram sticks that have been made and programmed to work with the intel systems and thus it is not always just plug and play, THIS IS BEING VERY SERIOUSLY addressed by amd engineers and has come on a lot in the last two months
at the present time there is in the last day or so a beta bios around for the taichi with memory settings upto 4000 but as said above dont expect this to work on all four slots (basically the more chips a ram stick has the more strain on the memory controller so ..........the best selection is 2 sticks of single sided ram ,then two sticks of double sided, then four sticks of single sided, and lastly the worst would be four sticks of double sided ram sticks
this morning on a taichi one user on this forum has reported stable ram at 3200 cl14 and 2x16gb ram sticks (these would be gskill tridentz double sided samsung  dies)
so i ask the real question for you is how much ram would you need to use ?
32gb max then feel confident it will happen at around 3200 with good branded ram
if you can be comfy with 16gb then circa 3600+ should be normal within a month or two (once again with a decent brand of ram
(from day one my taichi was simply plug and play with gskill 3200 cl15 ram 2x8gb by just clicking the xmp option)
another point id like to make is regarding your choice of cpu the 1800x is just the top 'plug and play' cpu it is not very popular as most users just buy the 1700 and enter a bios overclock and save the extra $200 for something else (mine is locked at 3.9 ghz from day one)
lastly if you havnt bought a taichi yet the chances to find one with an older bios that dosnt include the internet flash or direct flash from usb is extremely unlikely mine came with bios v1.5 back in end of march/early april i would hazard a guess any stock of the extremely fast selling taichi now would be on bios v2 anyway
hope this helps


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Posted By: Rosanbo
Date Posted: 28 May 2017 at 9:43pm
" rel="nofollow - [URL=][/URL][URL=][/URL][URL=][/URL]Thank you nemesis.ie

Originally posted by datonyb datonyb wrote:

[URL=][/URL]any stock of the extremely fast selling taichi now would be on bios v2 anyway
hope this helps


Thank you datonyb for taking the time to reply. Some very useful information there.

I have considered the 1700 (because I think it comes with a cooler in the box whereas the 'X' versions have no cooler?), and still have not made my mind up. I don't like the idea of overclocking. I like to stick with manufacturer specs. (EDIT: but I want the flexibility to do it in the future hence the X370 as my chioice). I also read an article (in techradar I think) a while back about the failure rate of new CPUs out of the box, and how that increases when overclocking is used. (I can't find anything on that subject now though).

Not sure how much RAM to get, probably 2 x 8GB will be enough.

What CPU cooling have you used?


Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 29 May 2017 at 12:09am
the specs of my system are
taichi mainboard
evo 960 nvme boot drive
evo 850 ssd gaming drive
gskill f4-3200cl15d-16gtz ram kit (16gb)
fratual designs 550w semi modular psu
r7 1700 cpu @ 3.9 all cores and fixed voltage of 1.306 volts using LLC 2
noctura am4 tower heatsink (120mm fan)
rx480 graphics card
antec gx500 case (extra fan in front so four in total 2x fronts intake 1 rear exhaust,1 rear top exhaust)
when on stress test the cpu sits around 53 degrees Clap

to be honest this is the most easy pc i can recall to overclock


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Posted By: Rosanbo
Date Posted: 29 May 2017 at 12:28am
I'm taking so long with this, by the time I go for it, maybe the AMD Vega GPU will be out.


Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 29 May 2017 at 6:20am
or ryzen 2 Tongue


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Posted By: mister2forme
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2017 at 4:40am
" rel="nofollow -
Originally posted by Rosanbo Rosanbo wrote:


My reading so far has made me aware that Ryzen CPU don't work well with "4 channels" of RAM i.e. 4 RAM slots occupied, if all 4 are occupied RAM is limited to 2133Mhz(?) irrespective of what speed your RAM chips are. Which I am understanding is down to the UEFI.

Also if only 2 RAM slots occupied RAM can work up to 2999Mhz.

So I am confused. What is the limiting factor that means you cannot put in 3400Mhz RAM and expect to get 34000Mhz running capacity... Be it 2 slots or 4 slots of RAM.?

It's not so much 4 slots is limited, but the chips the ram uses.  

For example,  I'm running 4x16 (64 Total) on a Taichi.  They are running at 3200MHz (their rated speed).  The only modification I had to make, was to bump the CAS down to 18.  So instead of 15-15-15-35, I'm running 18-15-15-35.  

Now, the important thing here, is that the chips on my RAM are Samsung B-Die.  Those are the ones most people are having success with.  

Also, AGESA 1.0.0.4 only supports RAM multipliers up to 3200.  1.0.0.6 will come with up to 4000.  You can mess with a BCLK to go above either.  But as a beginner, I'd advise against overclocking BCLK until you're familiar with how certain things react.




Posted By: AlbinoRhino
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2017 at 5:50pm
" rel="nofollow -
Originally posted by Rosanbo Rosanbo wrote:

[URL=][/URL][URL=][/URL][URL=][/URL][URL=][/URL]Thank you nemesis.ie

Originally posted by datonyb datonyb wrote:

[URL=][/URL]any stock of the extremely fast selling taichi now would be on bios v2 anyway
hope this helps


Thank you datonyb for taking the time to reply. Some very useful information there.

I have considered the 1700 (because I think it comes with a cooler in the box whereas the 'X' versions have no cooler?), and still have not made my mind up. I don't like the idea of overclocking. I like to stick with manufacturer specs. (EDIT: but I want the flexibility to do it in the future hence the X370 as my chioice). I also read an article (in techradar I think) a while back about the failure rate of new CPUs out of the box, and how that increases when overclocking is used. (I can't find anything on that subject now though).

Not sure how much RAM to get, probably 2 x 8GB will be enough.

What CPU cooling have you used?


Ryzen is very safe to OC. Between 3.9 and 4.0GHz you will hit a voltage wall that may explain the article you read. I haven't seen anyone yet that killed their CPU that stayed at or below 1.4V.

My 1700X runs stable at 4.0GHz, but it wants 1.4V to do so. At 3.9GHz it only needs 1.3V so that is where I keep it when I want more power. If I'm not gaming I just run it as it was designed without the OC.


Posted By: skyhawk1947
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2017 at 12:32pm
" rel="nofollow - Hello I got the X370 Taichi Motherboard & 16GB Ram CORSAIR DDR4 2X8gb  / 16GB 3200MHz Vengeance LPX CMK16GX4M2B3200C-16.  I have the Rizen 1700 processor. A SAMSUNG SSD 840 SERIES 250GB DRIVE. A 650 watt PS. A NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550 TI Video card, setup with two (2) Acer 24 in Monitors.

I built this system on June 13th my 70 Birthday!  Before I had the Intel Asus P8Z77-V PRO/THUNDERBOLT  With Intel I7 Processor.

This was my first AMD build,  I love it,  it's great & the ASRock mother is super as in the past 10 years I only use ASUS Motherboards & Intel Processor.

This my First time to be on the Forums ASRock  board & getting a lot of info. I have some CINEBENCH files I would like to post but I got to find out how to uploads the JPG files?
Ron Ladner


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Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2017 at 1:39pm
Welcome to the forums Skyhawk1947!

I use https://imgur.com/ to upload my images for the forums. 

Then: 

1. Click the image you uploaded and copy the "direct link" address. 
2. Click "Full Reply Editor" on your reply box here on the forums (next to the bold, italic, underline and text color icons)
3. Click the "insert image" icon and paste your image link in the text box, make sure you delete the "http://" before pasting so it does not end up as http://http://myimagesite/myimagehere.jpg

The X370 Taichi is a very solid board, I have one myself paired with a 1600x and I am loving it too Wink


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Posted By: skyhawk1947
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2017 at 3:55pm
http://i.imgur.com/0J2RVZI.jpg

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Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2017 at 4:07pm
Awesome! An 8c/12t CPU kicking the pants off a 12c/24t Xeon setup is brilliant!

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Posted By: skyhawk1947
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2017 at 5:06pm
Ron, I edited this for you. Hint, when placing a pic the linkage must end in a graphics format like jpg, png etc. HTH in the future




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