X370 Killer Sli/ac - BIOS help No LLC settings?
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Topic: X370 Killer Sli/ac - BIOS help No LLC settings?
Posted By: T3chHippie
Subject: X370 Killer Sli/ac - BIOS help No LLC settings?
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2017 at 3:14pm
Okay, I just got all my parts in last week, got my build finished on Monday, and just yesterday started fiddling with the BIOS settings and overclocks. I updated to Bios 2.4 before I made any changes to anything via instant flash over a USB drive. That went fine. But then I noticed when looking through my settings that I do not have an LLC setting.
I've seen screenshots of where it SHOULD be, but in my BIOS I have no such setting. I reset to defaults a few times and reflashed the 2.4 BIOS (Freshly downloaded and extracted) just to make sure that I wasn't messing something up.
I've asked users on other forums and a few of them say they DO have it, and a few say they do NOT have it.
Am I just missing a setting somewhere, or do I have an extremely curious case of technical glitchery?
Heres a few shots of my various settings tabs/pages. You can see that "Load Line Calibration" does not exist. http://imgur.com/a/hs0FP" rel="nofollow - http://imgur.com/a/hs0FP
Setup Ryzen 1600 (Current OC 3.7 @ 1.275v) Stock Wraith cooler 16Gb G.Skill Trident Z RGB CL15 3000Mhz (running at 2400 currently) Sapphire Nitro RX 470 8Gb
Under full load, Hwinfo shows a core voltage of between 1.225 and 1.231 with a minimum of 1.212 (at idle 1.262v) - Under full load CPUz shows a core voltage of 1.248.
If someone could shed some light on this for me I would REALLY appreciate it.
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Posted By: Sebizzz
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2017 at 3:48pm
Did you Try look under Ram settings in OC Tweaker section, they should be there. From review on local tech site i see it is there: http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/mbrzostek/2017/am4_mobo/asrock_x370_killersli/uefi/03.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/mbrzostek/2017/am4_mobo/asrock_x370_killersli/uefi/03.jpg Look and report if it is where it should be.
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Posted By: T3chHippie
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2017 at 3:55pm
Sebizzz wrote:
Did you Try look under Ram settings in OC Tweaker section, they should be there. From review on local tech site i see it is there: http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/mbrzostek/2017/am4_mobo/asrock_x370_killersli/uefi/03.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/mbrzostek/2017/am4_mobo/asrock_x370_killersli/uefi/03.jpg Look and report if it is where it should be.
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Nope it's not there.
http://imgur.com/SYD36x0" rel="nofollow - http://imgur.com/SYD36x0
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Posted By: Sebizzz
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2017 at 4:04pm
" rel="nofollow - Looks like AC version have BIOS without LLC? Strange. I guess that best what you can do is write about this to technical support: http://event.asrock.com/tsd.asp" rel="nofollow - event.asrock.com/tsd.asp . They should response and tell you if it's a bug and they fix it or this MB just don't have it.
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Posted By: AlbinoRhino
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2017 at 4:16pm
" rel="nofollow - The AC does have LLC.
Hippie can you confirm that you are on 2.4 from your Bios?
Did you reset your Bios to defaults before updating it?
Have you tried resetting it to default after updating it?
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Posted By: kboxvegas
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2017 at 4:26pm
It is the same on my Killer sli/ac on P2.40. According to this review it DID have LLC at some point https://www.servethehome.com/asrock-x370-killer-sliac-motherboard-review-sleek-ryzen-workstation-platform/" rel="nofollow - https://www.servethehome.com/asrock-x370-killer-sliac-motherboard-review-sleek-ryzen-workstation-platform/
No matter though as the offset still work's but I ended up being prime95 stable for 8 hours @ 3.9MHz @ 1.35v on my 1700 without it. With the Vcore offest set to +65mv Vcore would go as high as 1.41v under load but I would have issues cold booting under 1.35v so I just set it to 1.35v. Try setting the Vcore offset to +65mv and backing off your Vcore until you can cold boot and still be stable at load.
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Posted By: T3chHippie
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2017 at 1:59pm
Thanks for the repiles guys. I just updated to 2.5 today, and I have some new settings, but still no LLC. Here's some shots of the BIOS http://imgur.com/a/X2wd4" rel="nofollow - http://imgur.com/a/X2wd4 From what I've seen it seems like half the Killer sli/ac users HAVE LLC settings, half don't. Quite a conundrum. I'm going to try to get some more info from asrock themselves. Albinorhino, yes, I loaded UEFI Defaults before updating and after (both times, since i just updated to 2.4 the other day and 2.5 today)
Kboxvegas, so the "Vcore voltage offset" is basically manual LLC? With my OC 3.7Ghz @ 1.2625v SOC 1.1v and now RAM at 2666 (so far) thanks to the new update, I idle at the 1.2625 but drop to 1.212 (dipped to 1.206 at one point) under load, Temps up to 80C after 30 minutes of aida64. Stable though. Just seems like a good bit of droop, and I feel like if I could stabilize it I could run lower voltages and get a stable OC, which should keep temps at idle down, as well as under load.
Current idle temps aren't that bad actually sitting at 31c right now browsing Chrome, but I also have the CPU fan set to full speed all the time untill I get a better cooler.
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2017 at 9:39pm
" rel="nofollow - Say what? Lemme look..........
BIOS 2.5, right?
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2017 at 10:12pm
wardog wrote:
" rel="nofollow - Say what? Lemme look..........
BIOS 2.5, right?
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Hippie. BIOS 2.50 does have both LLC settings.
I think what is happening is folks aren't using Load UEFI Defaults and rebooting BEFORE flashing. Considering the major changes in 2.50 this wouldn't surprise me to be the cause.
Do me a favor please. Redown the 2.50 BIOS from the website, do the Load UEFI Defaults, reboot, and re-flash 2.50 you redownloaded please and report back.
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Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2017 at 11:42pm
I've had LLC options for VCore and SOC voltage for quite a while with my X370 Killer SLI/ac board. At least with the last three UEFI versions.
Granted, those two options are not shown with Auto/default UEFI settings in OC Tweaker, but it does not take much for them to be shown.
All I do is change CPU VCore Voltage from Auto to Offset or Fixed, and the CPU Load-Line Calibration option immediately appears. The same is true for the VDDCR_SOC Voltage option:
I'm not aware of another option setting in OC Tweaker that causes either of the LLC options not appear. All I can see of your CPU Vcore Voltage setting is that it seems to be in Offset mode, since I can see the Offset Voltage value shown below it, otherwise it is not included in your screenshot.
What method are you using to update the UEFI? I only use Instant Flash. I'll also add that I've never flashed the UEFI using default UEFI settings, and have never had a problem.
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 12:38am
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What method are you using to update the UEFI?
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It shouldn't matter what method so long as it didn't brick along the way.
It either completes or it doesn't.
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Posted By: T3chHippie
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 2:05am
I've loaded defaults before updating the BIOS both times, when I updated to 2.4 AND when I updated to 2.5. I'll try it again but I already flashed 2.5 twice.
I don't use the "V-core offset", I set my voltage and frequency manually.
And I update via USB and instant flash.
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 5:40am
Hippie, I'm puzzled.
Can you give me a screenshot of the Main BIOS page please.
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Posted By: T3chHippie
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 9:55am
You and me both dog. Heres just the main page http://imgur.com/R0A7mzX" rel="nofollow - http://imgur.com/R0A7mzX
And some other pages as well http://imgur.com/a/X2wd4" rel="nofollow - http://imgur.com/a/X2wd4
Totally bewildered. At first I just didn't think this board had LLC settings, but then people were like, yeah it does, and provided pics. So I'm lost.
I liked this board, and the M.2 Wifi/Bluetooth chip is dope and it just looks awesome, has plenty of connectors and stuff, but I'm starting to wonder if I shoulda just gotten the Gigabyte K5 instead..
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Posted By: T3chHippie
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 11:47am
parsec wrote:
I've had LLC options for VCore and SOC voltage for quite a while with my X370 Killer SLI/ac board. At least with the last three UEFI versions.
Granted, those two options are not shown with Auto/default UEFI settings in OC Tweaker, but it does not take much for them to be shown.
All I do is change CPU VCore Voltage from Auto to Offset or Fixed, and the CPU Load-Line Calibration option immediately appears. The same is true for the VDDCR_SOC Voltage option:
I'm not aware of another option setting in OC Tweaker that causes either of the LLC options not appear. All I can see of your CPU Vcore Voltage setting is that it seems to be in Offset mode, since I can see the Offset Voltage value shown below it, otherwise it is not included in your screenshot.
What method are you using to update the UEFI? I only use Instant Flash. I'll also add that I've never flashed the UEFI using default UEFI settings, and have never had a problem.
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Are you SURE it's the Sli/ac and not just the Killer Sli? And did you get it from Newegg?
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 10:14pm
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Are you SURE it's the Sli/ac and not just the Killer Sli? And did you get it from Newegg? |
I need to ask you, post a pic of the silkscreened product naming on your MB Hippie.
We Mods get our board direct from ASRock, shipped to us from overseas.
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Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2017 at 11:21pm
T3chHippie wrote:
Are you SURE it's the Sli/ac and not just the Killer Sli? And did you get it from Newegg? |
Yes, I am quite sure I have an X370 Killer SLI/ac board. I have the WiFi module included with the board. As said above, I did not get mine from Newegg.
Your screenshot of the Voltage Configuration section is weird. For example, mine:
You know the following, but I'll review. Note my screenshot has a CPU Vcore Voltage option, while yours is Vcore Offset Voltage. If I select Offset as the CPU Vcore Voltage option, I get this:
How you have Vcore Offset Voltage as an option name is the weird thing, as you know. There should be no difference between the X370 Killer SLI and X370 Killer SLI/ac UEFI versions, plus you should not be able to flash the SLI/ac board to the SLI's UEFI, IF that made a difference.
Please try this: go into the UEFI, Exit screen, and click the Load UEFI defaults option. First, save your current UEFI settings is a profile on the OC Tweaker screen. After clicking Load UEFI Defaults, Save and Exit the UEFI, don't skip that step, and then go right back into the UEFI and see what you now have on the OC Tweaker screen in the Voltage Configuration section.
EDIT: Just noticed something in your screenshot. Do you have a Sapphire video card?
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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2017 at 1:11am
" rel="nofollow - i think thats the three options auto fixed offset
does llc only show on one of the options ?
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Posted By: T3chHippie
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2017 at 2:32am
parsec wrote:
T3chHippie wrote:
Are you SURE it's the Sli/ac and not just the Killer Sli? And did you get it from Newegg? |
Yes, I am quite sure I have an X370 Killer SLI/ac board. I have the WiFi module included with the board. As said above, I did not get mine from Newegg.
Your screenshot of the Voltage Configuration section is weird. For example, mine:
You know the following, but I'll review. Note my screenshot has a CPU Vcore Voltage option, while yours is Vcore Offset Voltage. If I select Offset as the CPU Vcore Voltage option, I get this:
How you have Vcore Offset Voltage as an option name is the weird thing, as you know. There should be no difference between the X370 Killer SLI and X370 Killer SLI/ac UEFI versions, plus you should not be able to flash the SLI/ac board to the SLI's UEFI, IF that made a difference.
Please try this: go into the UEFI, Exit screen, and click the Load UEFI defaults option. First, save your current UEFI settings is a profile on the OC Tweaker screen. After clicking Load UEFI Defaults, Save and Exit the UEFI, don't skip that step, and then go right back into the UEFI and see what you now have on the OC Tweaker screen in the Voltage Configuration section.
EDIT: Just noticed something in your screenshot. Do you have a Sapphire video card?
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Yes, I have a Nitro+ 470 8Gb card.
I've loaded defaults and rebooted plenty of times, and done it before and after flashing the new bios' (which I flashed each at least twice)
You DIDN'T get yours from Newegg? Then that's likely my problem because I DID and mines a "Newegg Exclusive" so I'm wondering if maybe it's a different board or something....
Dog, here's my boards silkscreen, I think this is the one you wanted?
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2017 at 5:39am
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You DIDN'T get yours from Newegg? Then that's likely my problem because I DID and mines a "Newegg Exclusive" so I'm wondering if maybe it's a different board or something.... |
The NewEgg Exclusive was that they had the "privilege' of offering the SLI/ac first. We have the same boards. They come from overseas as a perk to us Mods.
What's the Date and Size on Disk of the .50 file you're flashing with?
Mine X370KLA2.50 Dated 06/09/2017 2:35PM 16.777,216 bytes
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Posted By: T3chHippie
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2017 at 9:22am
wardog wrote:
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You DIDN'T get yours from Newegg? Then that's likely my problem because I DID and mines a "Newegg Exclusive" so I'm wondering if maybe it's a different board or something.... |
The NewEgg Exclusive was that they had the "privilege' of offering the SLI/ac first. We have the same boards. They come from overseas as a perk to us Mods.
What's the Date and Size on Disk of the .50 file you're flashing with?
Mine X370KLA2.50 Dated 06/09/2017 2:35PM 16.777,216 bytes
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Man, well I'm totally stumped.
X370KLA2.50 6/9/17 2:35PM Exact same size, 16,777,216 bytes.
I had another user on Reddit tell me they also don't have LLC settings, said something about "The new ones" I'm not sure if he meant new BIOS' or new Boards.
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Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2017 at 12:15pm
" rel="nofollow - I'm almost out of ideas myself, very strange. It doesn't seem to be that way because you are using a Ryzen 5 processor, since wardog also uses a Ryzen 5 and said he has the LLC options.
I know you've flashed the UEFI several times, which does most of what I will suggest, but you might as well try doing a full UEFI/BIOS NVRAM reset. Remove the board's battery, and use the CLR CMOS jumper, in the clear position, at the same time. Keep the battery out for at least ten minutes to allow any power from capacitors to discharge, and allow the NVRAM part of the UEFI chip to clear.
Do you see any problems with the clock time in the UEFI or Windows? Like you set it correctly and then it is off later? That would indicate a bad battery. BTW, removing the battery will cause the time to be wrong.
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Posted By: T3chHippie
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2017 at 12:46pm
parsec wrote:
" rel="nofollow - I'm almost out of ideas myself, very strange. It doesn't seem to be that way because you are using a Ryzen 5 processor, since wardog also uses a Ryzen 5 and said he has the LLC options.
I know you've flashed the UEFI several times, which does most of what I will suggest, but you might as well try doing a full UEFI/BIOS NVRAM reset. Remove the board's battery, and use the CLR CMOS jumper, in the clear position, at the same time. Keep the battery out for at least ten minutes to allow any power from capacitors to discharge, and allow the NVRAM part of the UEFI chip to clear.
Do you see any problems with the clock time in the UEFI or Windows? Like you set it correctly and then it is off later? That would indicate a bad battery. BTW, removing the battery will cause the time to be wrong.
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Nah, no problems like that. It really seems like I have a different BIOS somehow, despite apparently having the correct one.
If it comes down to it I figured a clrcmos was the last thing to try. That just resets it to the stock way it was when I got it, correct? I don't have to do anything crazy like reinstall my OS or GPU or anything?
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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2017 at 10:46pm
i did mention earlier in this thread but it seems to have gone un answered
is there a possibility that these options somehow dont appear when other options are selected/not selected and that the OP isnt seeing them due to not having another option clicked or disabled
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2017 at 10:59pm
datonyb wrote:
i did mention earlier in this thread but it seems to have gone un answered
is there a possibility that these options somehow dont appear when other options are selected/not selected and that the OP isnt seeing them due to not having another option clicked or disabled
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No. I thought that and played to no avail. This one is odd.
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Posted By: T3chHippie
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2017 at 10:30am
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wardog wrote:
datonyb wrote:
i did mention earlier in this thread but it seems to have gone un answered
is there a possibility that these options somehow dont appear when other options are selected/not selected and that the OP isnt seeing them due to not having another option clicked or disabled
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No. I thought that and played to no avail. This one is odd.
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Cleared CMOS... Twice. Still nothing.
Would having my sapphire card cause a bug like this?? I have "Sapphire Boost" option in my BIOS, but I don't see that on other peoples BIOS screenshots. Maybe this is the cause? I've only turned it on once, but never saved and exited, but that still did not give me LLC settings.
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Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2017 at 10:57am
T3chHippie wrote:
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wardog wrote:
datonyb wrote:
i did mention earlier in this thread but it seems to have gone un answered
is there a possibility that these options somehow dont appear when other options are selected/not selected and that the OP isnt seeing them due to not having another option clicked or disabled
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No. I thought that and played to no avail. This one is odd.
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Cleared CMOS... Twice. Still nothing.
Would having my sapphire card cause a bug like this?? I have "Sapphire Boost" option in my BIOS, but I don't see that on other peoples BIOS screenshots. Maybe this is the cause? I've only turned it on once, but never saved and exited, but that still did not give me LLC settings. |
The latest 2.50 UEFI version displays the LLC options if I click on Load UEFI Defaults, or after a UEFI clear. In other words, it is the default option display currently.
You are right datonyb, in the past with older UEFI versions, the LLC options would not be shown until the CPU VCore Voltage option was NOT set to Auto. But the OP does not even have the same option name for the VCore mode type selection. Currently with UEFI 2.50, it looks like this with all default/Auto options:
Since I don't have a Ryzen 5 processor, I can't personally verify that the LLC options are available when one is being used. wardog has a Ryzen 5 processor, and said the LLC options are there, so that is all I have left.
If you can RMA the board, I would do so. If you've installed UEFI 2.50 using Instant Flash, and you still don't see the LLC options, I don't know what else to do.
Otherwise, disable the Sapphire Boost option, which is only shown if a Sapphire card is in the PC, and see what happens. I don't get that option shown at all.
Do you still get the "Vcore Offset Voltage" as the only option, in one of your earlier screenshots?
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2017 at 11:35am
parsec wrote:
If you can RMA the board, I would do so.
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Before I did RMA I'd pull the processor, check for proper seating and bent/missing pins.
Assuming the processor isn't damaged, yea, RMA the board.
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Posted By: T3chHippie
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2017 at 3:11pm
parsec wrote:
T3chHippie wrote:
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wardog wrote:
datonyb wrote:
i did mention earlier in this thread but it seems to have gone un answered
is there a possibility that these options somehow dont appear when other options are selected/not selected and that the OP isnt seeing them due to not having another option clicked or disabled
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No. I thought that and played to no avail. This one is odd.
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Cleared CMOS... Twice. Still nothing.
Would having my sapphire card cause a bug like this?? I have "Sapphire Boost" option in my BIOS, but I don't see that on other peoples BIOS screenshots. Maybe this is the cause? I've only turned it on once, but never saved and exited, but that still did not give me LLC settings. |
The latest 2.50 UEFI version displays the LLC options if I click on Load UEFI Defaults, or after a UEFI clear. In other words, it is the default option display currently.
You are right datonyb, in the past with older UEFI versions, the LLC options would not be shown until the CPU VCore Voltage option was NOT set to Auto. But the OP does not even have the same option name for the VCore mode type selection. Currently with UEFI 2.50, it looks like this with all default/Auto options:
Since I don't have a Ryzen 5 processor, I can't personally verify that the LLC options are available when one is being used. wardog has a Ryzen 5 processor, and said the LLC options are there, so that is all I have left.
If you can RMA the board, I would do so. If you've installed UEFI 2.50 using Instant Flash, and you still don't see the LLC options, I don't know what else to do.
Otherwise, disable the Sapphire Boost option, which is only shown if a Sapphire card is in the PC, and see what happens. I don't get that option shown at all.
Do you still get the "Vcore Offset Voltage" as the only option, in one of your earlier screenshots?
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Sapphire boost is disabled by default and left that way.
Yes I still have the "Vcore offset voltage" which only gives me +/-mv adjustments or auto. This has to be something to do with my BIOS, I don't see how it could be anything else.
Does anyone have sapphire boost and llc settings both show up in their BIOS'?
I'd really prefer to NOT RMA my board. Being without my PC for x weeks is out of the question and I don't currently have enough money to buy another board.
Wardog, Would bent CPU pins really even be a plausible cause for a BIOS setting to be different??
I'm sorry, I just really don't want to totally tear my PC down again, I just got it built a week ago.
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Posted By: T3chHippie
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2017 at 12:31pm
Here is a gallery with every single page and folder I have in my BIOS, in order. http://imgur.com/gallery/BN9dN" rel="nofollow - http://imgur.com/gallery/BN9dN
And here's a picture proving that I'm not the only one with this issue.
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Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2017 at 1:41pm
T3chHippie wrote:
Nah, no problems like that. It really seems like I have a different BIOS somehow, despite apparently having the correct one.
If it comes down to it I figured a clrcmos was the last thing to try. That just resets it to the stock way it was when I got it, correct? I don't have to do anything crazy like reinstall my OS or GPU or anything? |
I just noticed this earlier response. Have you done the CLR CMOS procedure, including removing the board's battery? Yes, that would be the last thing to do, and doing this does not hurt anything, or cause you to reinstall Windows.
I use the CLR CMOS jumper all the time, you should do it every time you change hardware, or even move it around to a different SATA port, PCIe slot, memory slot, etc. A super basic thing that is no big deal to deal with afterwards. You can save your UEFI/BIOS settings in a profile first, to restore them with a few clicks of the mouse. Otherwise it just sets every option in the UEFI to its default setting.
Every time you install/update the UEFI, it is equivalent to a CLR CMOS procedure, EXCEPT for the removal of the battery. Removing the battery also clears the NVRAM in the UEFI/BIOS chip, the only way to erase it. If you don't do this, you cannot say you've tried everything, I am sorry to say.
Just for my information, what UEFI/BIOS version came with the board? It is printed on a sticker that is on the UEFI/BIOS chip. This chip is just below the first PCIe x16 slot, just to the right of "SLI" printed on the board. Most likely covered by your video card.
I suggested an RMA because IMO, after all the things you've done, there's nothing else to do that will cause the LLC option to appear. Frankly it is more than that, you don't have the same Vcore option as we do, LLC is secondary to the CPU Vcore Voltage option. That is the main option that is missing. I would be surprised if an X370 board did not have an LLC option in the UEFI, even a cheaper model, which this board is not of that kind.
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Posted By: T3chHippie
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2017 at 4:31pm
" rel="nofollow - I did indeed remove the battery, 24 pin connector, power cable from the rear of the PSU, and swapped the jumper, left it that way for 10 minutes.
My board says P2.40 - I took pictures of everything as I was putting it together.
I understand how beneficial LLC is, I utilized it on my old board with my A10-6800k to push my OC. It's a bummer I don't have it, but I really don't think it would have anything to do with the board itself, I mean it could plausibly but it's just weird that I have different and additional settings, not just a lack of them.
And as I said before, there are other people that have the same BIOS options/lack there of as I do. I'm curious as to why. Newer boards maybe? Corners cut to keep up with demand?
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Posted By: AlbinoRhino
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2017 at 7:19pm
" rel="nofollow - Hippie, do you want to try Bios version 2.3? I can upload it somewhere.
It's what I am using and can confirm LLC is in my Bios. I'm about to move up to 2.5 to see if I can run 3200 on my ram finally.
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Posted By: kboxvegas
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2017 at 1:15am
I have the same issue with my Newegg sourced Killer sli/ac. I have a R7 1700, I did not have LLC on 2.40 either which the board came with. I am using a EVGA 1070 so it has nothing to do with having a Sapphire GPU. Tried resetting defaults, flashing, and resetting again to no avail.
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Posted By: AlbinoRhino
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2017 at 1:37am
kboxvegas wrote:
I have the same issue with my Newegg sourced Killer sli/ac. I have a R7 1700, I did not have LLC on 2.40 either which the board came with. I am using a EVGA 1070 so it has nothing to do with having a Sapphire GPU. Tried resetting defaults, flashing, and resetting again to no avail. |
My board was also ordered from Newegg and I have LLC.
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Posted By: T3chHippie
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2017 at 2:36am
kboxvegas wrote:
I have the same issue with my Newegg sourced Killer sli/ac. I have a R7 1700, I did not have LLC on 2.40 either which the board came with. I am using a EVGA 1070 so it has nothing to do with having a Sapphire GPU. Tried resetting defaults, flashing, and resetting again to no avail. |
Hmm. This is so weird....
AlbinoRhino wrote:
http://forum.asrock.com/RTE_textarea.asp%3cmode=quote&ID=31113&CACHE=1867" rel="nofollow - Hippie, do you want to try Bios version 2.3? I can upload it somewhere.
It's what I am using and can confirm LLC is in my Bios. I'm about to move up to 2.5 to see if I can run 3200 on my ram finally. |
You could if you want, but Wardog has this board on the newest BIOS and has LLC settings.
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Posted By: AlbinoRhino
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2017 at 10:02pm
" rel="nofollow -
T3chHippie wrote:
kboxvegas wrote:
I have the same issue with my Newegg sourced Killer sli/ac. I have a R7 1700, I did not have LLC on 2.40 either which the board came with. I am using a EVGA 1070 so it has nothing to do with having a Sapphire GPU. Tried resetting defaults, flashing, and resetting again to no avail. |
Hmm. This is so weird....?
AlbinoRhino wrote:
[URL=http://forum.asrock.com/RTE_textarea.asp%3cmode=quote&ID=31113&CACHE=1867][/URL]Hippie, do you want to try Bios version 2.3? I can upload it somewhere.?
It's what I am using and can confirm LLC is in my Bios. I'm about to move up to 2.5 to see if I can run 3200 on my ram finally. |
You could if you want, but Wardog has this board on the newest BIOS and has LLC settings.?
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I tried 2.5, but reverted back to 2.3. V2.5 slowed my ram speeds down.
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Posted By: AlbinoRhino
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2017 at 10:07pm
Here is 2.3:
Https://ufile.io/61ejy" rel="nofollow - Https://ufile.io/61ejy
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2017 at 11:30pm
" rel="nofollow - Hippie, I have to ask. What's the PSU you're using and how old is it?
T3chHippie wrote:
You could if you want, but Wardog has this board on the newest BIOS and has LLC settings.
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Hippie, call the below number, tell them of this issue, and initiate an RMA.
When you do the RMA, send ONLY the motherboard. No nothing else, just the mb in a suitably sized box and well packaged inside.
Before
sending it though, check over the CPU for bent/missing pins. It'd be a
waste of time to RMA when the CPU may be the culprit.
1-909-590-8308, CA so Pacific Time Zone
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Posted By: T3chHippie
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2017 at 5:25am
wardog wrote:
" rel="nofollow - Hippie, I have to ask. What's the PSU you're using and how old is it?
T3chHippie wrote:
You could if you want, but Wardog has this board on the newest BIOS and has LLC settings.
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Hippie, call the below number, tell them of this issue, and initiate an RMA.
When you do the RMA, send ONLY the motherboard. No nothing else, just the mb in a suitably sized box and well packaged inside.
Before
sending it though, check over the CPU for bent/missing pins. It'd be a
waste of time to RMA when the CPU may be the culprit.
1-909-590-8308, CA so Pacific Time Zone
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Wardog, thanks for the number man, I'll keep that in mind if I end up RMA'ing. But again, like I've said, I CAN NOT be without my computer even for two days so I'm most likely NOT going to RMA it.
Power supply was just purchased a few months ago, Corsair Cx550M (updated version) 550w semi modular PSU.
I literally JUST redid my cooler about a week ago and didn't see any bad pins. I feel like I'd have additional problems with my computer if I had bent CPU pins.
I was just reading through the reviews on Newegg, apparently it WAS bios 2.4 that took LLC settings away from some users, and that's the BIOS my board shipped with. I'm going to see what 2.3 looks like/does to the board and see what's what.
I will get to the bottom of this. It has to just be a software thing, because if it was hardware I'd be having additional problems.
Thanks for the BIOS file Rhino, I'm gonna give it a shot.
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Posted By: nycalex
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2017 at 11:12am
New member here.
i've been searching all over the net. OP, you are not alone. i bought from newegg and mine does not have LLC.
funny thing is, the 2.3 version bios someone posted here DOES HAVE LLC. but i want agesa 1.0.0.6, so i updated to 2.5 after downgrading to 2.3. and POOF! no more LLC.
i'm starting to get very frustrated with this board.
And newegg has a replacement only policy. what a pile of manure.
also, my trident Z rgb 3200 c16 does not work past 2133 no matter what i do. if i change any settings on memory i get no post with 3 successive BEEP codes (i always install a 4 pin speaker to my motherboards so i can pinpoint errors).
been using asus boards for 20 years with the odd nforce and gigabyte. first time ASROCK.
i really wwant to like this brand for all the features you get for the price. but jesus does it need to get FIXED.
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Posted By: nycalex
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2017 at 7:38pm
so i downgraded again to 2.3, and voila i got LLC.
from there i went to update bios via internet this time to 2.5.
again, NO LLC.
really don't know what is going on.
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Posted By: T3chHippie
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2017 at 2:27am
There were 3 more pages to this thread, I don't know what happened to the last 3, I figured out that for some reason the Killer Sli/Ac boards that are revision 1.05 DO NOT have LLC settings whereas rev. 1.03 DOES have LLC settings (In BIOS 2.5, not just 2.3)
I'm just waiting to get a message back from one of the admins on here, we're going to try to figure out what's going on.
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Posted By: nycalex
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2017 at 3:17am
i'm going to check the revision of my motherboard tonight when i get home.
this is quite strange indeed.
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Posted By: nycalex
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2017 at 6:57am
" rel="nofollow - ok, just checked. my mobo revision is 1.05.
so that means i'm out of luck?
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2017 at 7:13am
nycalex wrote:
" rel="nofollow - ok, just checked. my mobo revision is 1.05.
so that means i'm out of luck?
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Really? What part of T3chHippie's "I'm just waiting to get a message back from one of the admins on here, we're going to try to figure out what's going on." didn't you get? srsly
Kick back and relax. They're working at it.
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Posted By: nycalex
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2017 at 7:18pm
wardog wrote:
nycalex wrote:
" rel="nofollow - ok, just checked. my mobo revision is 1.05.
so that means i'm out of luck?
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Really? What part of T3chHippie's "I'm just waiting to get a message back from one of the admins on here, we're going to try to figure out what's going on." didn't you get? srsly
Kick back and relax. They're working at it.
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really?
don't you think that response was a little bit on the "un-necessary" side?
and yes, i agree. we should both kick back and relax.
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2017 at 7:35pm
nycalex wrote:
wardog wrote:
nycalex wrote:
" rel="nofollow - ok, just checked. my mobo revision is 1.05.
so that means i'm out of luck?
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Really? What part of T3chHippie's "I'm just waiting to get a message back from one of the admins on here, we're going to try to figure out what's going on." didn't you get? srsly
Kick back and relax. They're working at it.
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really?
don't you think that response was a little bit on the "un-necessary" side?
and yes, i agree. we should both kick back and relax.
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Yea. My apologies. That was a tad over the top. It had been a long Long day already when i replied to you.
I try not to let things get to me day in and day out here. Your "so that means i'm out of luck?" struck the wrong nerve at that moment.
Please accept my sincerest apology to you.
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Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2017 at 9:22pm
T3chHippie wrote:
There were 3 more pages to this thread, I don't know what happened to the last 3, I figured out that for some reason the Killer Sli/Ac boards that are revision 1.05 DO NOT have LLC settings whereas rev. 1.03 DOES have LLC settings (In BIOS 2.5, not just 2.3)
I'm just waiting to get a message back from one of the admins on here, we're going to try to figure out what's going on. |
The forum server had a drive problem, and we lost all the posts between ~June 20 and June 15. That is NOT just this thread, but the entire forum in general. Sorry about that!
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Posted By: T3chHippie
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2017 at 3:14am
Wardog just informed me that Asrock got back to him and said that " it is not an error but rather a change in the components used on the newer revision boards. These new components are higher quality/higher cost, same specs, yet less prone to voltage droop and as such do not support LLC settings."
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Posted By: nycalex
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2017 at 11:16am
T3chHippie wrote:
Wardog just informed me that Asrock got back to him and said that " it is not an error but rather a change in the components used on the newer revision boards. These new components are higher quality/higher cost, same specs, yet less prone to voltage droop and as such do not support LLC settings."
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thank you and wardog for the update.
at least i can stop pursuing this topic. i'm a little bit sour i'm not going to lie. but then again, i paid $130 for it, can't complain since this is just a backup build i did to try out ryzen.
currently my 1700 is rock solid at 3.9ghz. voltage still set at 1.325 (albeit jumping all over).
again, appreaciate everyone who took the time to get us some answers.
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2017 at 11:19pm
I'm going to see if I can flat out disable any and all LLC on my SLI/ac rev1.05 and 'play' without it at OC'ing to try and duplicate what rev1.05 Owners are saying/experiencing.
If there's no way to disable LLC here I plan on asking ASRock for either a custom BIOS w/o LLC or that they send me a rev1.05 board.
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Posted By: T3chHippie
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 2:56am
wardog wrote:
I'm going to see if I can flat out disable any and all LLC on my SLI/ac rev1.05 and 'play' without it at OC'ing to try and duplicate what rev1.05 Owners are saying/experiencing.
If there's no way to disable LLC here I plan on asking ASRock for either a custom BIOS w/o LLC or that they send me a rev1.05 board.
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Sorry for the lapse. Let me know what happens, Wardog. I'm interested to see what you can make of it. lol
My OC currently is set at 3.7Ghz @ 1.2650v which dips down to 1.212/1.206v under load, hitting like 80C with stress testing on the stock cooler.
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Posted By: CocoaThumper
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 3:40am
Interesting and informative thread. I was wondering about this same issue, and it saved me a lot of searching in the BIOS.
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Posted By: chilibot
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 1:21am
I got this board from Newegg when it was just launched. It's rev 1.03 and always has LLC settings. Seems like they indeed changed something in rev 1.05.
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