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Topic: AB350M Pro4 SOC voltage
Posted By: NJT_PPT
Subject: AB350M Pro4 SOC voltage
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2017 at 1:40pm
" rel="nofollow - Does anyone know if ASRock is planning on adding SOC voltage manipulation in the next BIOS? Seeing how this parameter is so important to get a stable memory overclock, I don't see how I can get my RAM to run at its rated speeds without a higher SOC voltage. 

Thank you.



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Posted By: delukz
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2017 at 5:45pm
I doubt it, it's kind of odd we can just change it in Ryzen Master but not in the UEFI :(


Posted By: Heyitsaaron
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2017 at 8:53pm
" rel="nofollow - I agree. Ryzen master has these option, but not the bios? Lol.


Posted By: sobekite
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2017 at 10:48pm
Each bios update has given more options, so let's hope. 

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R 1400 (@3.8)
AB350M Pro4 (2.50)
MSI RX580 4G


Posted By: NJT_PPT
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2017 at 12:55am
I hope so as well. This is my first ASRock board and I'm super happy with it aside from memory OC.


Posted By: sobekite
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2017 at 1:05am
Same. I've ran into issues overclocking but besides that, it's been a great board for how much I paid. It was retailing $65-69 USD and with micro-center combo it dropped 30 dollars Wink.  

This board is pretty feature rich for the price. I mean 2 m.2 slots? Some of the ATX boards only have 1 Pci-e m.2 slot, but this one gives you both pci-e and sata m.2. 

The growing pains for the memory seems to effect almost all brands, so fingers crossed! Hope you get it to work for you.

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R 1400 (@3.8)
AB350M Pro4 (2.50)
MSI RX580 4G


Posted By: danielcepa
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2017 at 2:07am
Hey guys
I have the AB350 Pro4 and am mostly satisfied with it
There are two ways of messing with the SOC voltage on this board (for now):

1. Ryzen Master - not ideal, but it works
2. If you overclock the RAM manually (i set my 32GB Corsair LPX from 2400 to 2933 @1.30V) from Advanced UEFI menu - AMD CBS; the board wil automatically overclock the SOC to a fixed 1.087-ish voltage for stability.

So the board is 100% capable of said voltage adjustment, and not having a setting in the bios is kind of user hostile to push the more expensive X370 boards over the "budget" B350 ones.

Hopefully the next uefi update will include the SOC voltage.

Cheers !


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2017 at 2:53am
Originally posted by danielcepa danielcepa wrote:

2. If you overclock the RAM manually (i set my 32GB Corsair LPX from 2400 to 2933 @1.30V) from Advanced UEFI menu - AMD CBS; the board wil automatically overclocked the SOC to a fixed 1.087-ish voltage for stability.


This is a result of OC'ing the memory. Ryzen does this automatically when OC'ing either processor and or memory.


Posted By: danielcepa
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2017 at 4:10am
Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Originally posted by danielcepa danielcepa wrote:

2. If you overclock the RAM manually (i set my 32GB Corsair LPX from 2400 to 2933 @1.30V) from Advanced UEFI menu - AMD CBS; the board wil automatically overclocked the SOC to a fixed 1.087-ish voltage for stability.


This is a result of OC'ing the memory. Ryzen does this automatically when OC'ing either processor and or memory.


Figured that much out, but this behaviour is not obvious in any way :)
BTW. CPU is at stock settings.


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2017 at 4:33am
" rel="nofollow -
Originally posted by danielcepa danielcepa wrote:

Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Originally posted by danielcepa danielcepa wrote:

2. If you overclock the RAM manually (i set my 32GB Corsair LPX from 2400 to 2933 @1.30V) from Advanced UEFI menu - AMD CBS; the board wil automatically overclocked the SOC to a fixed 1.087-ish voltage for stability.


This is a result of OC'ing the memory. Ryzen does this automatically when OC'ing either processor and or memory.


Figured that much out, but this behaviour is not obvious in any way :)
BTW. CPU is at stock settings.


No. It's not obvious. That's why I piped in, to say so for those that weren't aware it does this.

In AMD CBS(forget which heading below it) do you have the option to set SoC voltage? There are some settings there that aren't available through the BIOS. Heck, you can just as easily OC the board from within it. I don't have a clue what this board has available under AMD CBS.




Posted By: danielcepa
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2017 at 5:37am
Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

" rel="nofollow -
Originally posted by danielcepa danielcepa wrote:

Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Originally posted by danielcepa danielcepa wrote:

2. If you overclock the RAM manually (i set my 32GB Corsair LPX from 2400 to 2933 @1.30V) from Advanced UEFI menu - AMD CBS; the board wil automatically overclocked the SOC to a fixed 1.087-ish voltage for stability.


This is a result of OC'ing the memory. Ryzen does this automatically when OC'ing either processor and or memory.


Figured that much out, but this behaviour is not obvious in any way :)
BTW. CPU is at stock settings.


No. It's not obvious. That's why I piped in, to say so for those that weren't aware it does this.

In AMD CBS(forget which heading below it) do you have the option to set SoC voltage? There are some settings there that aren't available through the BIOS. Heck, you can just as easily OC the board from within it. I don't have a clue what this board has available under AMD CBS.



no, there are no voltage settings under Adavanced / AMD CBS
actually, there is one under NB CONFIGURATION , but its CLDO_VDDP - whatever that is

speaking of AMD CBS

This is by far the most stable way to overclock / set the memory speed.
First, dont touch the XMS setting, leave it on Auto, or wtv. In the overclock tab adjust only the RAM Voltage.
In the AMD CBS / Memory tab just enable overclocking, set the desired speed, the first five timings (eg. 16-16-16-16-32) , procODT (53.3ohm), done. Leave the rest on Auto

If the setting stick and are stable (windows boot, Memtest, etc) the cold boot / reboot related issues are gone.

2.60 BIOS, R7 1700



Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2017 at 6:10am
Originally posted by danielcepa danielcepa wrote:

Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

" rel="nofollow -
Originally posted by danielcepa danielcepa wrote:

Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Originally posted by danielcepa danielcepa wrote:

2. If you overclock the RAM manually (i set my 32GB Corsair LPX from 2400 to 2933 @1.30V) from Advanced UEFI menu - AMD CBS; the board wil automatically overclocked the SOC to a fixed 1.087-ish voltage for stability.


This is a result of OC'ing the memory. Ryzen does this automatically when OC'ing either processor and or memory.


Figured that much out, but this behaviour is not obvious in any way :)
BTW. CPU is at stock settings.


No. It's not obvious. That's why I piped in, to say so for those that weren't aware it does this.

In AMD CBS(forget which heading below it) do you have the option to set SoC voltage? There are some settings there that aren't available through the BIOS. Heck, you can just as easily OC the board from within it. I don't have a clue what this board has available under AMD CBS.



no, there are no voltage settings under Adavanced / AMD CBS
actually, there is one under NB CONFIGURATION , but its CLDO_VDDP - whatever that is

speaking of AMD CBS

This is by far the most stable way to overclock / set the memory speed.
First, dont touch the XMS setting, leave it on Auto, or wtv. In the overclock tab adjust only the RAM Voltage.
In the AMD CBS / Memory tab just enable overclocking, set the desired speed, the first five timings (eg. 16-16-16-16-32) , procODT (53.3ohm), done. Leave the rest on Auto

If the setting stick and are stable (windows boot, Memtest, etc) the cold boot / reboot related issues are gone.

2.60 BIOS, R7 1700



Scroll down to "What's next for memory". Note this page addresses the changes/additions covering AGESA 1.0.0.6 only. CLDO_VDDP is among those explained. procODT too.
https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/05/25/community-update-4-lets-talk-dram


Wink





Posted By: NJT_PPT
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2017 at 6:59am
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Thank you for the explanation. However, the highest clock speed option I am given is 2000. Am I doing something wrong?


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2017 at 8:29am
" rel="nofollow - 2000 even while in AMD CBS?

Have you enable Overclocking in AMD CBS?


Sorry man. The manuals covering anything other than the "standard' BIOS is lacking. Actually, non-existent.


Posted By: danielcepa
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2017 at 2:33pm
" rel="nofollow -
Originally posted by NJT_PPT NJT_PPT wrote:


Thank you for the explanation. However, the highest clock speed option I am given is 2000. Am I doing something wrong?


Ram is double data rate. So 2000 means 4000 :)
1466 is 2933
1600 is 3200
Etc


Posted By: kebl3739
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2017 at 2:38am
" rel="nofollow -
Originally posted by danielcepa danielcepa wrote:

Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

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Originally posted by danielcepa danielcepa wrote:

Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Originally posted by danielcepa danielcepa wrote:

2. If you overclock the RAM manually (i set my 32GB Corsair LPX from 2400 to 2933 @1.30V) from Advanced UEFI menu - AMD CBS; the board wil automatically overclocked the SOC to a fixed 1.087-ish voltage for stability.


This is a result of OC'ing the memory. Ryzen does this automatically when OC'ing either processor and or memory.


Figured that much out, but this behaviour is not obvious in any way :)
BTW. CPU is at stock settings.



No. It's not obvious. That's why I piped in, to say so for those that weren't aware it does this.

In AMD CBS(forget which heading below it) do you have the option to set SoC voltage? There are some settings there that aren't available through the BIOS. Heck, you can just as easily OC the board from within it. I don't have a clue what this board has available under AMD CBS.



no, there are no voltage settings under Adavanced / AMD CBS
actually, there is one under NB CONFIGURATION , but its CLDO_VDDP - whatever that is

speaking of AMD CBS

This is by far the most stable way to overclock / set the memory speed.
First, dont touch the XMS setting, leave it on Auto, or wtv. In the overclock tab adjust only the RAM Voltage.
In the AMD CBS / Memory tab just enable overclocking, set the desired speed, the first five timings (eg. 16-16-16-16-32) , procODT (53.3ohm), done. Leave the rest on Auto

If the setting stick and are stable (windows boot, Memtest, etc) the cold boot / reboot related issues are gone.

2.60 BIOS, R7 1700



Thanks for this. Will try this when I get home.

I haven't managed to get my 3200rated RAM above 2133 via "OC Tweaker".

So I should leave the OC/XMP page alone and find AMD CBS? Where is that?


Posted By: danielcepa
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2017 at 5:05am
i would start from scratch. Reset UEFI to defaults

Edit:
Like i said, raise the RAM voltage to 1.3 - 1.35 from the overclock tab. Leave the rest untouched
AMD CBS is the last menu item in the ADVANCED tab


Posted By: kebl3739
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2017 at 1:35am
Originally posted by danielcepa danielcepa wrote:

i would start from scratch. Reset UEFI to defaults

Edit:
Like i said, raise the RAM voltage to 1.3 - 1.35 from the overclock tab. Leave the rest untouched
AMD CBS is the last menu item in the ADVANCED tab





I tried the method you have above, sadly still won't boot at anything above 2133.

Thanks anyway!


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2017 at 8:15am
Originally posted by kebl3739 kebl3739 wrote:

Originally posted by danielcepa danielcepa wrote:

i would start from scratch. Reset UEFI to defaults

Edit:
Like i said, raise the RAM voltage to 1.3 - 1.35 from the overclock tab. Leave the rest untouched
AMD CBS is the last menu item in the ADVANCED tab





I tried the method you have above, sadly still won't boot at anything above 2133.

Thanks anyway!


Unless I'm blind, I don't see your system specs listed.


Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2017 at 10:51am
" rel="nofollow -
Originally posted by NJT_PPT NJT_PPT wrote:

Does anyone know if ASRock is planning on adding SOC voltage manipulation in the next BIOS? Seeing how this parameter is so important to get a stable memory overclock, I don't see how I can get my RAM to run at its rated speeds without a higher SOC voltage

Thank you.


I have the SOC voltage option in my ASRock X370 Killer SLI/ac board, and even when set to 1.2V+, I cannot get my Ryzen specific G.SKILL FlareX 3200 memory to run at 3200. 2933 is the highest stable speed I can achieve.

Believe me, SOC voltage is not the magic cure to over clock your memory. Just like AGESA 1.0.0.6 was also not the magic fix for memory over clocking on Ryzen.

More important is the model of DDR4 memory you use. Certainly not every model of DDR4 memory can be over clocked with Ryzen, and then be able to reach speeds over 2933. Memory speeds of 3200 and beyond are happening on only a few models of DDR4 memory.

There is another factor to consider, sorry to say. We are talking about an $80 board, which is a budget model. The SOC in a Ryzen processor actually has its own VRM circuitry on the mother board to supply it with voltage and power. Can we expect a budget level board to have an SOC VRM design equivalent to more expensive boards, like my mid range X370 Killer SLI/ac ($160)? Sorry, no. That is the most likely reason you do not find an SOC voltage option in this board's UEFI/BIOS.

Ryzen 7 processors are AMD's first use of DDR4 memory. If the rated speed of your memory is an over clock given your processor and board specs, it is not guaranteed. That is what the memory manufactures will tell you, certainly G.SKILL said this about my FlareX memory.




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Posted By: kebl3739
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2017 at 8:57pm
Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Originally posted by kebl3739 kebl3739 wrote:

Originally posted by danielcepa danielcepa wrote:

i would start from scratch. Reset UEFI to defaults

Edit:
Like i said, raise the RAM voltage to 1.3 - 1.35 from the overclock tab. Leave the rest untouched
AMD CBS is the last menu item in the ADVANCED tab





I tried the method you have above, sadly still won't boot at anything above 2133.

Thanks anyway!


Unless I'm blind, I don't see your system specs listed.


R5 1600
ASRock AB350m Pro4
Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x8Gb Red CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R



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