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Topic: OC problem
Posted By: justqw
Subject: OC problem
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2017 at 10:26pm
Hi.

My conf:
- Ryzen 1700
- RAM F4-3200C15D-16GVK
- Asrock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4
- Windows 7 - High Performance Power Plan, AMD Chipset Drivers

I have newest BIOS 3.0
I tried:
- Disable C'n'Q
- Disable C6 Mode
- CPU Stock
- RAM: XMP Profile DDR-2400, 15-15-15-35-50, DRAM Volt. 1.36V

This is very "small" OC I guess. I also tried OC'd cpu with 3.8GHz and 1.35V without oc'ing ram.
Generally I am not capable to overclocking whatever : (

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Regards




Replies:
Posted By: ket
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2017 at 10:37pm
I've tested the K4 with that RAM kit and a Zen 1700, Maximum I got from the CPU is 3.9GHz @ 1.38v and 3066MHz CL14 @ 1.35v. This was done with UEFI 2.5 I haven't tried 3.0 yet.

3.9GHz on any Zen chip is not a small OC it is pushing the lithography of the CPU extremely close to it's current limits. Try 3.7GHz with 1.25v as a starting base. You should also be able to run that kit of G.Skill RAM @ 2933MHz without any issues.

Check to make sure you have the RAM installed in dual channel mode (banks A1+B1 or A2+B2)
Run HCI memtest with enough instances open to fully utilise your RAM and leave it for at least 2 hours, see if it reports any errors.


Posted By: chainsaw
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2017 at 10:38pm
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What is your cooler? hows your temps? did you try CPU LLC

the max i can do is 3.9ghz @ 1.35v  CPU-LLC 2 , sure i want 4ghz but ill stick with 1.35v to be super safe. 


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ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4 P3.40
AMD RYZEN 7 1700 @ 4Ghz 1.39v
Noctua NH-D15 "blocks top 1x pci-e"
16GB GSkill Ripjaw V F4-3200C16D-16GVRB @ 2933 14-15-15-15 T1 1.365v
GTX 1080 x2 Sli


Posted By: ket
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2017 at 10:41pm
I think hes going to at least be using the AMD Wraith Spire cooler, which is actually pretty decent so temps shouldn't be too much of a issue.


Posted By: justqw
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2017 at 11:45pm
My cooler is stock. Temperatures is OK.
I do test with OCCT and Prime. Tests after OC crash after few minutes or instantly (BSOD, with small oc last time system freezed)



Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2017 at 12:25am
" rel="nofollow - I just noticed in your first post you use Windows 7.

While drivers are supplied for other Windows versions, only Windows 10 is officially supports Ryzen.

This may be related to your failed OC.

What are the Windows crash dumps saying failed during stress testing?

You never said what your "small OC" was. Ryzen 7 processors hit the OC wall at or just below 4GHz, with sane voltages.

No idea what other components are being used, the PSU in particular.


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Posted By: Drain_Bamaged
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2017 at 4:31am
" rel="nofollow -
Originally posted by justqw justqw wrote:

- Windows 7 - 



.....why?


Posted By: justqw
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2017 at 6:02pm
" rel="nofollow - Windows 10 is not a spying OS anymore? :)

Interesting that Windows7 could stop ability to OC. Is this information confirmed?


Posted By: justqw
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2017 at 7:45am
" rel="nofollow - New tests:
- Enable C'n'Q (back to default)
- Enable C6 Mode (back to default)
Disable core performance boost
- Disable Global C states
- CPU Frequency (MHz) - 3700
- CPU Voltage (V) - 1.375
- CPU Vcore Voltage - 1.375
- VDDCR_SOC Voltage - 1.1

..so 3.7 with 1.375 should work without any words (?)
Unfortunately I had BSOD after about 1 minute.

This settings could describe "small oc".
Any suggestions?

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Regards




Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2017 at 7:57am
justqw, please boot into BIOS and hit F9 to Load UEFI Defaults, Save and Reboot.  The next BSOD you get please compress the Minidump folder in the Windows folder and upload it where we have access to it.  If it runs fine, then try an OC and upload the Minidump folder compressed.  Thanks and enjoy, John.


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Fat1 X399 Pro Gaming, TR 1950X, RAID0 3xSamsung SSD 960 EVO, G.SKILL FlareX F4-3200C14Q-32GFX, Win 10 x64 Pro, Enermx Platimax 850, Enermx Liqtech TR4 CPU Cooler, Radeon RX580, BIOS 2.00, 2xHDDs WD


Posted By: Drain_Bamaged
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2017 at 9:33am
That's pretty rough justqw. I don't even have to disable Cstates or CoolNQuiet.  3.8ghz @ 1.35v. ( defaultvcore+ 0.11 offset) Ram @ 2933.


Posted By: justqw
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2017 at 9:44am
MisterJ, I did a few tests (with BSOD) today, but in c:\Windows\Minidump I dont see any dumps today, weird. Last dmp was 3 days ago.


Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2017 at 3:25am
" rel="nofollow - Weird, justqw.  Please compress the folder and put it where we can DL it.  Did your system run any better after Load UEFI Defaults?  Enjoy, John.


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Fat1 X399 Pro Gaming, TR 1950X, RAID0 3xSamsung SSD 960 EVO, G.SKILL FlareX F4-3200C14Q-32GFX, Win 10 x64 Pro, Enermx Platimax 850, Enermx Liqtech TR4 CPU Cooler, Radeon RX580, BIOS 2.00, 2xHDDs WD


Posted By: justqw
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2017 at 6:53am
Minidumps: https://file.io/jnwpSU" rel="nofollow - https://file.io/jnwpSU

My system works fine on defaults settings without any customization in BIOS. When I try to overclock it responses bsod every time (OCCT tests). Windows (7) always starts fine.

I can check OC settings which give me 1% to efficient if You tell me what to set.

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Regards


Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2017 at 8:09am
justqw, I get a HTTP 404 (Not Found) on the link you posted.  I am not an OCer, but would like to look at your dumps.  Hopefully others will help with the OCing.  I do not understand what this means:
Quote I can check OC settings which give me 1% to efficient if You tell me what to set.
Enjoy, John.


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Fat1 X399 Pro Gaming, TR 1950X, RAID0 3xSamsung SSD 960 EVO, G.SKILL FlareX F4-3200C14Q-32GFX, Win 10 x64 Pro, Enermx Platimax 850, Enermx Liqtech TR4 CPU Cooler, Radeon RX580, BIOS 2.00, 2xHDDs WD


Posted By: justqw
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2017 at 9:47am
" rel="nofollow - Another test gives BSOD:
- Disable Global C states
- CPU Frequency (MHz) - 3800
- CPU Voltage (V) - 1.35
- CPU Vcore Voltage - 1.35
- VDDCR_SOC Voltage - 1.2
- Both LLC's level (SOC and CPU) - Level 2

Is this my CPU or MOBO or what?

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Regards


Posted By: PetrolHead
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2017 at 3:27pm
" rel="nofollow - Don't just blindly try values others have gotten to work, you might break your components that way. There's no guarantee that your system can achieve the same OC someone else has, even if you have the exact same components. If you want to OC, you should do it incrementally, moving at 100 MHz steps upwards and only increasing voltages in small bumps when the CPU starts to get unstable. During every phase you should monitor your temperatures and voltages to see how much headroom you should have. You said temperatures are OK, but what exactly are the temperatures you get for each sensor?

Btw, have you tested your memory?


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Ryzen 5 1500X, ASRock AB350M Pro4, 2x8 GB G.Skill Trident Z 3466CL16, Sapphire Pulse RX Vega56 8G HBM2, Corsair RM550x, Samsung 960 EVO SSD (NVMe) 250GB, Samsung 850 EVO SSD 500 GB, Windows 10 64-bit


Posted By: justqw
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2017 at 1:45am
" rel="nofollow - Finally some progress..
Problem was is bios version, either 2.50 and 3.0 (both Agesa 1.0.0.6) didn't work well. Bios 2.40 brought me CPU OC with my previous settings.
So.. Agesa 1.0.0.6 in my configuration doesn't work at all after OC.

Settings:
- Disable C6 Mode
- Disable Global C states
- CPU Frequency (MHz) - 3800
- CPU Voltage (V) - 1.35
- CPU Vcore Voltage - Fixed 1.35
- VDDCR_SOC Voltage - Fixed 1.1

Temperatures read from HW64 and reached max. 82 C. This is quite much I guess. Do You have similar temp. values?

Now I'm fighting with RAM OC.

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Regards





Posted By: Drain_Bamaged
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2017 at 1:53am
Dude, this platform is so flaky. I had a stable system until this morning. Using much the same settings. Now it boot cycles if I use that profile. I started from scratch, enabled XMP for RAM at 2933 and it boots no problem. If I do that AND overclock the CPU, it boot cycles. It makes no sense.

procODP set at 53.3, tried 60 no change, soc at 1.1. It just boot cycles.

I totally regret getting a Ryzen 1600. This is the worst, flakiest overclocknig experience Ive had in 10+ years. Should have just got a 1600x or a 1700.


Posted By: PetrolHead
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2017 at 2:32am
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Originally posted by justqw justqw wrote:

Temperatures read from HW64 and reached max. 82 C. This is quite much I guess. Do You have similar temp. values?


If that's the CPU temp then it's a tad too high. I don't have a Ryzen myself, but 75 degrees should be okay under stress testing and in other use it should stay below that. For the 1700X and 1800X the initial maximum "safe" temperature was 95 C, but don't let this confuse you. Those chips had a temperature offset of +20 C, so the "real world" value at 95 C was 75 C. This offset has since been removed, AFAIK.


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Ryzen 5 1500X, ASRock AB350M Pro4, 2x8 GB G.Skill Trident Z 3466CL16, Sapphire Pulse RX Vega56 8G HBM2, Corsair RM550x, Samsung 960 EVO SSD (NVMe) 250GB, Samsung 850 EVO SSD 500 GB, Windows 10 64-bit


Posted By: AlbinoRhino
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2017 at 3:12am
Originally posted by Drain_Bamaged Drain_Bamaged wrote:

Dude, this platform is so flaky. I had a stable system until this morning. Using much the same settings. Now it boot cycles if I use that profile. I started from scratch, enabled XMP for RAM at 2933 and it boots no problem. If I do that AND overclock the CPU, it boot cycles. It makes no sense.

procODP set at 53.3, tried 60 no change, soc at 1.1. It just boot cycles.

I totally regret getting a Ryzen 1600. This is the worst, flakiest overclocknig experience Ive had in 10+ years. Should have just got a 1600x or a 1700.


I bought the 1700X and ended up with a great chip. I didn't get so lucky on my Hynix Ram as I'm still stuck at 3066MHz.


Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2017 at 3:41am
justqw, if you want me to look at your dumps please compress the folder and upload to a site I can access.  The last file you posted yielded a 404 Not Found.  Enjoy, John.


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Fat1 X399 Pro Gaming, TR 1950X, RAID0 3xSamsung SSD 960 EVO, G.SKILL FlareX F4-3200C14Q-32GFX, Win 10 x64 Pro, Enermx Platimax 850, Enermx Liqtech TR4 CPU Cooler, Radeon RX580, BIOS 2.00, 2xHDDs WD


Posted By: justqw
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 8:44am
Hi,

Finally I was able to get 2993MHz stable with 1.35V.

So everything went well with Bios 2.40.

My finally settings (Bios 2.40)
- Disable core performance boost
- CPU Frequency (MHz) - 3800
- CPU Voltage - 1.35V
- CPU Vcore Voltage - Fixed 1.35V
- VDDCR_SOC Voltage - Fixed 1.1V

I will create other topic with comparing bioses 2.40 vs 3.20 and Wtf.

Originally posted by justqw justqw wrote:

Now I'm fighting with RAM OC.

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- Ryzen 1700
- RAM F4-3200C15D-16GVK
- Asrock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4


Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 6:56pm
justqw

it would help others vastly if you could post some settings you used for the ripjaws

as there seems to be some trouble getting these set up with ryzen


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Posted By: antonio70
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 7:15pm
" rel="nofollow - I have F4-3000C16D-16GTZR and I can't get then higher than 2400MHz stable in 3.1 BIOS. After 3.2 I can run 2666MHz (had to set PRocODT to 48Ohm to be stable). 
Should I try 2.4 BIOS?  
I have 1600X CPU overclocked to 3,85 GHz with 1,34V XFR is worthless :( I would buy 1600 now for sure. (I hoped that they sell little better CPU as 1600X with no cooler)


Posted By: justqw
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2017 at 8:43pm
@datonyb,
I didn't set any ram settings.

@antonio70,
You can try older bios (2.40). This works for me : ) 3.8GHz + 2933Mhz - stable and satisfying.



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