AGESA 1.0.0.6b
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Topic: AGESA 1.0.0.6b
Posted By: wardog
Subject: AGESA 1.0.0.6b
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2017 at 10:32am
Share your experiences.
But please, before beginning any LONG troubleshooting, begin a new Thread.
And remember, whether asking or answering, to have created a Sig so others know what you have.
Thanks, .... wardog
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Posted By: AlbinoRhino
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2017 at 8:53pm
Performance is degraded significantly on the Killer SLI A/C using the same Bios settings when updating from v3.1 to v3.2.
-221 points in Cinebench. Performance score dropped from almost 1700 points down to 1470.
------------- Asrock X370 Killer SLI A/C Rev 1.03 b3.1, Ryzen 1700X - 3.9@1.34V, Nvidia Geforce GTX1080 FTW2 ICX, 2x8GB Corsair Vengeance LED 3200@2933Mhz (3200 unobtainable)
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2017 at 9:00pm
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AlbinoRhino wrote:
Performance is degraded significantly on the Killer SLI A/C using the same Bios settings when updating from v3.1 to v3.2.
-221 points in Cinebench. Performance score dropped from almost 1700 points down to 1470. |
This is with clearing the BIOS before flashing to 6b?
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Posted By: grenrozo
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2017 at 9:22pm
no changes in Cinebench by my side - Ryzen 1600X @Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4 (bios cleared before update).
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Posted By: AlbinoRhino
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2017 at 10:08pm
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wardog wrote:
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AlbinoRhino wrote:
Performance is degraded significantly on the Killer SLI A/C using the same Bios settings when updating from v3.1 to v3.2.?
-221 points in Cinebench. Performance score dropped from almost 1700 points down to 1470. |
This is with clearing the BIOS before flashing to 6b?
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The procedure I used is one that I've always used. 1. Download bios, unpack it to my USB drive. 2. Boot into UEFI, Load Bios Defaults, Save and Exit, reboot into Windows once. 3. Boot into UEFI, flash new Bios, Save and Exit. Load Windows once. 4. Boot into UEFI, apply CPU OC, Save and Exit. Boot into Windows once. 5. Boot into UEFI, apply RAM OC, Save and Exit. Boot into Windows, Benchmark.
As soon as I reverted back to 3.1 using the above method my scores are normal again.
Next I will clear the CMOS with a battery pull and a jumper reset to see if it makes a difference.
------------- Asrock X370 Killer SLI A/C Rev 1.03 b3.1, Ryzen 1700X - 3.9@1.34V, Nvidia Geforce GTX1080 FTW2 ICX, 2x8GB Corsair Vengeance LED 3200@2933Mhz (3200 unobtainable)
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2017 at 10:29pm
Meh, you don't need to go to Windows FYI.
As far as you doing RAM and CPU separately, ... well, that's something I don't do either.
BUT, if on the odd chance after flashing it kept any Saved Profiles, consider the junk/toast and overwrite them once on the new BIOS. Never, NEVER, reuse them from one BIOS to another. Big no no.
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Posted By: AlbinoRhino
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2017 at 12:45am
No profiles are saved. You also can't use a profile you've saved on a USB drive on an alternate Bios. Ex: a saved profile from 3.1 will not be recognized at all on 3.2.
I do my CPU OC first since I always attempt a lower CPU voltage to see if the new Bios improves it.
The RAM OC is simply setting XMP to 2933 since I've given up on 3200 and cannot remember how I got 3066 stable. I wasn't expecting a change in the XMP profile this go around since it stated in the release notes that the compatibility code wasn't touched.
Kudos to ASRock on the change notes BTW.
------------- Asrock X370 Killer SLI A/C Rev 1.03 b3.1, Ryzen 1700X - 3.9@1.34V, Nvidia Geforce GTX1080 FTW2 ICX, 2x8GB Corsair Vengeance LED 3200@2933Mhz (3200 unobtainable)
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Posted By: Ricky
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2017 at 2:52am
Is pstate oc with CPU voltage offset broken in Bios 3.20? Since i notice the CPU Vcore is not consistent in Bios or is it a display error and readout bug?
For example, in previous Bios 3.10, i will add 0.08125v under CPU offset voltage to reach Vcore 1.248v. From H/W Monitor in bios, the Vcore is quite stable and always shown 1.248v every time i check it.
For Bios 3.20, i also do the same by adding 0.08125v CPU offset voltage to get Vcore 1.248v. But, somehow the H/W Monitor in Bios display the Vcore as 1.298v. So, i reboot the system and check it again in Bios, this time it show Vcore 1.248v. But after i try to reboot and check it again in bios at 3rd time , the Vcore will show 1.298v.
In other words, with pstate oc and CPU voltage offset in Bios 3.20, the CPU Vcore in Bios become different each time after we reboot the system. As a result, i cannot set an accurate value of CPU Vcore. Besides, i don't use any user profile and will always clear cmos / reset default before flashing to new Bios. And this issue will not happen if i use OC Tweaker in Bios to OC the CPU.
So, i think maybe is some bug with Bios 3.20?
Fyi, i use LLC level 4 and using Asrock X370 K4.
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Posted By: Ken429
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2017 at 4:17am
" rel="nofollow - Updated the BIOS on my Taichi from 3.0 to 3.1. IBT ran ~160.16 seconds on 3.0 and 163.09 seconds on 3.1. The max core temp increased from 65.5C to 67.5C. Cinebench cpu numbers went from 1718 on 3.0 to 1717 on 3.1 and the OpenGL numbers went from 95.35 on 3.0 to 94.66 on 3.1. I guess the differences could be attributed to needle quiver!?
However, using Pstates for the 3.9GHz OC under 3.1 the minimum idle Vcore drops to ~.368V versus the .900V in Pstate2. The minimum cpu speed dropped to 2200 as it should have based on the Pstate2 settings. That is a step backward from 3.0 where the minimum Vcore and cpu speed were the same as Pstate2 specified.
------------- X470 Taichi, 3800X (BIOS Defaults), BIOS v3.60, Sandisk Extreme Pro 240GB, 2 crucial MX500 1TB, G.Skill 2X 2X8 3200-14, EVGA 1660Ti SC, EVGA 750 G3, W10 1903
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Posted By: Ricky
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2017 at 4:28am
Ricky wrote:
Is pstate oc with CPU voltage offset broken in Bios 3.20? Since i notice the CPU Vcore is not consistent in Bios or is it a display error and readout bug?
For example, in previous Bios 3.10, i will add 0.08125v under CPU offset voltage to reach Vcore 1.248v. From H/W Monitor in bios, the Vcore is quite stable and always shown 1.248v every time i check it.
For Bios 3.20, i also do the same by adding 0.08125v CPU offset voltage to get Vcore 1.248v. But, somehow the H/W Monitor in Bios display the Vcore as 1.298v. So, i reboot the system and check it again in Bios, this time it show Vcore 1.248v. But after i try to reboot and check it again in bios at 3rd time , the Vcore will show 1.298v.
In other words, with pstate oc and CPU voltage offset in Bios 3.20, the CPU Vcore in Bios become different each time after we reboot the system. As a result, i cannot set an accurate value of CPU Vcore. Besides, i don't use any user profile and will always clear cmos / reset default before flashing to new Bios. And this issue will not happen if i use OC Tweaker in Bios to OC the CPU.
So, i think maybe is some bug with Bios 3.20?
Fyi, i use LLC level 4 and using Asrock X370 K4.
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downgrade back to Bios 3.10, no more issue like this. Waste few hours on this
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2017 at 7:11am
AlbinoRhino wrote:
I wasn't expecting a change in the XMP profile this go around since it stated in the release notes that the compatibility code wasn't touched.
Kudos to ASRock on the change notes BTW. |
The AGESA block was updated and being so will make a diff.
What wasn't touched was the AGESA loader and mem training routines.
And I agree. More info is always nice.
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Posted By: Maddreg
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2017 at 5:59pm
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the OpenGL numbers went from 95.35 on 3.0 to 94.66 on 3.1. |
did you try disabling HPET in BIOS? After doing so I got 115fps in that test
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Posted By: x58haze
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 5:44am
When they will release the update for chipsets b350, i have asrock b350
By thew way it is possible that Asrock manufacturer unlock the Promontory options and add a way to disable ASMEDIA controllers through Bios? also adding an HPET 32 bit or 64 bit?
Looks i have locked this PROMONTORY OPTIONS: PROM4, PROM2, PROM1 are locked i cannot enter. And it seems that there is the culprit or problem of my mouse inconsistent hz
Another thing is that i don't get it must be something wrong with my motherboard or with the asrock ab350 fatality k4 gaming, they add a F-STREAM software to changes polling rate hz on F-PORTS, but when downloading the software it came like with features locked, there is no such options like (TOOLS)
This is the pictures of F_STREAM that asrock shows for my mobo
And when downloading the software through my manufacturer motherboard model This is what i get, there is not tools options or whats so ever.
So with all of this problem i'm getting inconsistent HZ this never happen before in my old machine :/ things what i have do. 1- Turning off C6, al C-states 2- Turning AMD COOL& QUIET 3- Disabling all SUPER IO in bios
In device manager windows turn off (saving features on hid and usb controllers)
And problem persist: this is how it looks the hz. 1000hz
500hz
333 hz
250hz
200hz
125hz http://cdn.overclock.net/0/08/08accf6d_125hz.png
And yes i have tried my g9 on all usb ports and type C, also the F-ports and i test my 3.0 usb mice logitech m100 which is a cheap mouse and it doesnt work properly, HZ are fluctuating...
People in other forums spoke me about the ASMEDIA in bios hidding and promontory options, plus some... problems attached to HPET that are in 32 bit which would be fine if AMD release hpet 32 and 64. thanks.
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Posted By: seanpatrick
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 9:16am
P-state overclocking does indeed seem to be problematic with this Bios.
Although the processor is indeed downclocking, the Vcore barely moves at lower speeds - in fact I'm getting fairly large Vcore spikes with it.
For instance, I run an offset that usually brings my Vcore under stress testing to about 1.392 (I'm overclocking obviously) however with the new bios it stays at or near 1.392 even when the processor speed is at about 1.5mhz. In addition I'm getting spikes with the same offset I've used for the last 4 bios updates up to about 1.488!
I've since switched back to the previous one and all is returned to normal with the Vcore dropping to .9 something when the cores are idle at 1.5mhz.
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Posted By: Ricky
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 5:05pm
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seanpatrick wrote:
P-state overclocking does indeed seem to be problematic with this Bios.
Although the processor is indeed downclocking, the Vcore barely moves at lower speeds - in fact I'm getting fairly large Vcore spikes with it.
For instance, I run an offset that usually brings my Vcore under stress testing to about 1.392 (I'm overclocking obviously) however with the new bios it stays at or near 1.392 even when the processor speed is at about 1.5mhz. In addition I'm getting spikes with the same offset I've used for the last 4 bios updates up to about 1.488!
I've since switched back to the previous one and all is returned to normal with the Vcore dropping to .9 something when the cores are idle at 1.5mhz. |
yup, definitely there is something wrong with pstate overclock in bios 3.20, i post the same issue on first page.
can i know you use which mobo? i use X370 K4, for now i just downgrade to previous bios.
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Posted By: Ricky
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 5:18pm
one more thing, some time the uefi bios will become freeze /lockup if i navigate the interface too fast/rapidly.
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Posted By: PinetreeRoad
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2017 at 2:32am
" rel="nofollow - It would seem that this latest BIOS is a few steps back. The board takes longer to boot, and p-states are completely broken for me.
There are tons of new option in the recent BIOS updates that are completely undocumented. They either don't have descriptions, or the description are super vague, and they are not in the manual at all. Every option in the BIOS has a QR code for the same PDF manual hasn't been updated ever.
Also what's going on with the ASRock software? F-stream just doesn't work at all anymore for me, even after a fresh Windows install.
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Posted By: x58haze
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2017 at 7:13am
I don't know these new technology has become more a hell than a heaven.
Mouse not responsiveness at all Kinda of visual lag...
I'm very sad, and i'm from Venezuela, and here is very difficult to get pieces. and situation is not helping :'(
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Posted By: seanpatrick
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2017 at 12:10pm
Ricky wrote:
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seanpatrick wrote:
P-state overclocking does indeed seem to be problematic with this Bios.
Although the processor is indeed downclocking, the Vcore barely moves at lower speeds - in fact I'm getting fairly large Vcore spikes with it.
For instance, I run an offset that usually brings my Vcore under stress testing to about 1.392 (I'm overclocking obviously) however with the new bios it stays at or near 1.392 even when the processor speed is at about 1.5mhz. In addition I'm getting spikes with the same offset I've used for the last 4 bios updates up to about 1.488!
I've since switched back to the previous one and all is returned to normal with the Vcore dropping to .9 something when the cores are idle at 1.5mhz. |
yup, definitely there is something wrong with pstate overclock in bios 3.20, i post the same issue on first page.
can i know you use which mobo? i use X370 K4, for now i just downgrade to previous bios. |
I've got the Killer Sli
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Posted By: zlobster
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2017 at 12:19am
Odd. I have the same jaggy mouse movements on my X370 Taichi (v3.10). I thought I was getting crazy until I saw your comment.
It's like random 'hiccups' when moving the mouse. The mouse is an old trusty Razer Deathadder 3.5, which I've used on many other PCs and laptops w/o any issue.
I'm not using any OC ATM. C&Q is ON, C6 is disabled.
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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2017 at 12:58am
on a taichi here NO mouse issues
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3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold
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Posted By: Ricky
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2017 at 1:18am
hope future bios release can fix the broken pstate oc and improve memory compatibility.
For now, even with Gskill Flare X 3200C14 Kit (Samsung B Die), X370 K4 is still not stable at 3200MHz.
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Posted By: zlobster
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2017 at 1:38am
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datonyb wrote:
on a taichi here NO mouse issues
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It's intermittent with me. Hard to catch any pattern. Haven't seen it in gaming, but when the CPU is loaded (transcoding or prime95-ing) it's happening.
USB settings are default ones from Ryzen Balanced power plan. Haven't seen any freq. drifting like x58haze is. Could Windoze be playing with me?
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2017 at 2:09am
Guy's and Gal's,
Lets all of you without a Signature please create one as is customary in support forums.
Per my 1st post opening this Thread: And remember, whether asking or answering, to have created a Sig so others know what you have.
Having one, a Sig, reduces second guessing.
Thanks, wardog
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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2017 at 2:10am
dunno mate mine clocked to 3.9 mouse still very fluid even with stress test running ,and cinebench,and superpi etc etc
on bios 3.1 (latest taichi)
@ ricky
i presume youve tried soc at 1.1 volts dram volts at 1.375 proc set to 60 ohms
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3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold
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Posted By: zlobster
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2017 at 4:40am
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dunno mate mine clocked to 3.9 mouse still very fluid even with stress test running ,and cinebench,and superpi etc etc
on bios 3.1 (latest taichi)
@ ricky
i presume youve tried soc at 1.1 volts dram volts at 1.375 proc set to 60 ohms
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I saw your CPUZ validation. While trying to validate my PC and put the banner in my sig, my mouse pointer was jaggy as hell, just for hoovering around the tabs. System was not loaded at all.
I'm running the stock auto volts, minus the VCore one. If you remember, I had nasty spikes with VCore left on auto.
I guess I'll give your settings a try. Just what on Earth is ProcODT? My FlareX are running 3200 on XMP out of the box.
P.S. for some reason CPUZ won't generate a forum banner for me. I'll edit my sig manually.
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Posted By: x58haze
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2017 at 7:45am
zlobster wrote:
Odd. I have the same jaggy mouse movements on my X370 Taichi (v3.10). I thought I was getting crazy until I saw your comment.
It's like random 'hiccups' when moving the mouse. The mouse is an old trusty Razer Deathadder 3.5, which I've used on many other PCs and laptops w/o any issue.
I'm not using any OC ATM. C&Q is ON, C6 is disabled.
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Also i realized that it seems that Amd chipset drivers doesn't seems to install properly in Windows 10, they will skip some drivers to allow microsoft drivers instead and thats suck.
So i see that we can Extract the setup of lets say latest chipset 17:30 and go to Packages Drivers, and focus on those folders that say WT64<-- which are Windows 10 64 bits, and install one by one, this will get the correct drivers But yeah even that is very tricky because sometimes we really don't know how to properly...
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2017 at 9:07am
zlobster wrote:
Just what on Earth is ProcODT?
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https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/05/25/community-update-4-lets-talk-dram
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Posted By: x58haze
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 10:17am
@Wardog excuse me sir
When do you think that asrock will upload or make the agesa 1.00.6 b for motherboards like asrock ab350 fatality?
And by the way, do you think that , a bad wiring electricity can cause bad performance on pc? even if the Power supply has a good reads of 12v 3.3 5v?
im asking this because i do have a Power-strip with light indicators and it seems that the Wiring Fault zone is on reD<-- x.x
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 10:30am
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x58haze wrote:
@Wardog excuse me sir
When do you think that asrock will upload or make the agesa 1.00.6 b for motherboards like asrock ab350 fatality?
And by the way, do you think that , a bad wiring electricity can cause bad performance on pc? even if the Power supply has a good reads of 12v 3.3 5v?
im asking this because i do have a Power-strip with light indicators and it seems that the Wiring Fault zone is on reD<-- x.x |
They are working on releasing them.
That "Site Wiring Fault" indicator is most likely signaling that outlet probably has no third wire ground present.
Too, remember, "good reads" is only Volts, not amps/watts.
No. I'm no fan of outlet strips to plug computers into.
House wiring can be problematic. How many fuses/breakers are located in your fuse panel? How many rooms? Is any kitchen appliance(s) on the same circuit you're using? Fridges are notorious feedback/noise generators. Same with HVAC.
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Posted By: thuckechsu
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 11:54am
Can someone guide me the offset voltage section in bios 3.1, I cant find it in OC Tweaker anymore.
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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 6:24pm
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what baffles me more is how the protection working light is green yet it says theres a site wiring fault !
if there is no earth/ground then the circuit protection can never work (in a proper electrical sense of the word fault protection) the earth cable/connection is called a CPC for a reason (circuit protective conductor)
now reasons for the red light could be lack of earth/ground as wardog pointed out it could also depending on what the extention lead is designed to detect also indicate the lead or socket outlet is wired wrong eg phase/neutral round the wrong way or in fact the earth connected to the neutral at socket or in the fuse board any of these would still allow an ac device to work i would suggest first get someone with an electrical background to look at the house/office
or indeed to diagnose what the problem is yourself buy one of these
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tacklife-Advanced-Socket-220-250V-Neutral/dp/B073ZC61YK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1505125334&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=socket+tester&psc=1
the above link is for 230volts, i dont know if your country uses 230 or if its on 110v you would have to ask locally if so you need to find similar to the linked version but in a 110v version
EDIT HAZE dont buy the one in the link its not got the correct pin patern for your country, find something similar for your locale (basically you just plug these things in and the lights detect what the fault is)
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Posted By: Ricky
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 6:56pm
Posted By: x58haze
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 9:54am
wardog wrote:
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x58haze wrote:
@Wardog excuse me sir
When do you think that asrock will upload or make the agesa 1.00.6 b for motherboards like asrock ab350 fatality?
And by the way, do you think that , a bad wiring electricity can cause bad performance on pc? even if the Power supply has a good reads of 12v 3.3 5v?
im asking this because i do have a Power-strip with light indicators and it seems that the Wiring Fault zone is on reD<-- x.x |
They are working on releasing them.
That "Site Wiring Fault" indicator is most likely signaling that outlet probably has no third wire ground present.
Too, remember, "good reads" is only Volts, not amps/watts.
No. I'm no fan of outlet strips to plug computers into.
House wiring can be problematic. How many fuses/breakers are located in your fuse panel? How many rooms? Is any kitchen appliance(s) on the same circuit you're using? Fridges are notorious feedback/noise generators. Same with HVAC.
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Thanks bro for helping me
Look this is the Circuit Breaker of the Apartment And the first 4<-- breakers are of 20V The 4 that are below, are 2 of 40v, and 2 of 30
The first Breaker of 20 V is where is my Pc connected, i dont have Bipolar-transformer, you know those that are like 2 breakers in one for Fridge etc i dont have.. i realise that...
Another thing is that here in this apartment there are: - 2 rooms (2 tv + Direct Tv ) - A living Room (filled with a 40 inch big old tv 1980, home theater) - My room with 3 PC (mine ryzen+gtx 1060, others 2 pc like dualcore) - bathrooms (3) - The kitchen = Fridge, freezer, washing machine, dryer, micro-wave - Total Light Bulbs in general 15-16.
By the way in my mom room, there is a air-conditioner portable i guess those use 110v, but i dont know here was a electrician but he only told me about to changes the first 20v for one of 30v. but i think he was in hurry i dont know :/
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Posted By: x58haze
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 10:21am
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datonyb wrote:
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what baffles me more is how the protection working light is green yet it says theres a site wiring fault !
if there is no earth/ground then the circuit protection can never work (in a proper electrical sense of the word fault protection)? the earth cable/connection is called a CPC for a reason (circuit protective conductor)
now reasons for the red light could be lack of earth/ground as wardog pointed out it could also depending on what the extention lead is designed to detect also indicate the lead or socket outlet is wired wrong eg phase/neutral round the wrong way or in fact the earth connected to the neutral at socket or in the fuse board ? any of these would still allow an ac device to work i would suggest first get someone with an electrical background to look at the house/office
or indeed to diagnose what the problem is yourself buy one of these
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tacklife-Advanced-Socket-220-250V-Neutral/dp/B073ZC61YK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1505125334&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=socket+tester&psc=1
the above link is for 230volts, i dont know if your country uses 230 or if its on 110v you would have to ask locally if so you need to find similar to the linked version but in a 110v version
EDIT HAZE dont buy the one in the link its not got the correct pin patern for your country, find something similar for your locale (basically you just plug these things in and the lights detect what the fault is)
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Hello Datonyb thanks for your comment
And yes here in my home or apartment there is not ground connection :/ And i tested this power-strip in all of the outlets, and red light reminds on, which mean there is not ground connection, also yeah the green light is turne on lol, so is not protecting anything hahah x.x
please check what i quote to Wardog, i posted the Circuit Breaker etc I want to test more and more to diagnose what is causing this
Some friends from Mexico did changes 5 breakers in their circuit breakers, also they acquired a Bipolar Breaker (which is like 2 breakers in one) to keep in good standing their Fridge-freezers etc etc, i realise that i dont have a bipolar lol x.x
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 11:17am
datonyb wrote:
" rel="nofollow - @ haze
what baffles me more is how the protection working light is green yet it says theres a site wiring fault !
if there is no earth/ground then the circuit protection can never work (in a proper electrical sense of the word fault protection) the earth cable/connection is called a CPC for a reason (circuit protective conductor) |
Na. It will behave electrically like the wall outlet is only two prong. ie: missing that third ground wire/3 prong outlet.
Still no(t) good. Olser home were wired that way before the codes were updated to require it.
datonyb wrote:
i would suggest first get someone with an electrical background to look at the house/office
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x58haze, that statement above should be adhered to and followed. Don't read some pages on the internet, declare yourself an electrician afterwards, and think you can perform electrical repairs.
Hire a qualified Electrician. That can not be stressed enough!
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Posted By: x58haze
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 11:23am
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wardog wrote:
datonyb wrote:
[URL=][/URL]@ haze
what baffles me more is how the protection working light is green yet it says theres a site wiring fault !
if there is no earth/ground then the circuit protection can never work (in a proper electrical sense of the word fault protection)? the earth cable/connection is called a CPC for a reason (circuit protective conductor) |
Na. It will behave electrically like the wall outlet is only two prong. ie: missing that third ground wire/3 prong outlet.
Still no(t) good. Olser home were wired that way before the codes were updated to require it.
datonyb wrote:
i would suggest first get someone with an electrical background to look at the house/office
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x58haze, that statement above should be adhered to and followed. Don't read some pages on the internet, declare yourself an electrician afterwards, and think you can perform electrical repairs.
Hire a qualified Electrician. That can not be stressed enough!
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Yeah but is kinda difficult, to find a passionate electrician that really love what they do, most of them just don't care at all, but hope i can find one You say that i need to put a ground connection in home? like a copper bar Or do a double-check in that Circuit breaker first? right? thanks again Wardog.
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 11:27am
x58haze wrote:
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wardog wrote:
datonyb wrote:
[URL=][/URL]@ haze
what baffles me more is how the protection working light is green yet it says theres a site wiring fault !
if there is no earth/ground then the circuit protection can never work (in a proper electrical sense of the word fault protection)? the earth cable/connection is called a CPC for a reason (circuit protective conductor) |
Na. It will behave electrically like the wall outlet is only two prong. ie: missing that third ground wire/3 prong outlet.
Still no(t) good. Olser home were wired that way before the codes were updated to require it.
datonyb wrote:
i would suggest first get someone with an electrical background to look at the house/office
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x58haze, that statement above should be adhered to and followed. Don't read some pages on the internet, declare yourself an electrician afterwards, and think you can perform electrical repairs.
Hire a qualified Electrician. That can not be stressed enough!
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Yeah but is kinda difficult, to find a passionate electrician that really love what they do, most of them just don't care at all, but hope i can find one You say that i need to put a ground connection in home? like a copper bar Or do a double-check in that Circuit breaker first? right? thanks again Wardog. |
Don't do ANYTHING !!
Let an Electrician look at it and offer their recommendations.
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Posted By: x58haze
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 12:46pm
" rel="nofollow -
wardog wrote:
x58haze wrote:
[URL=][/URL]
wardog wrote:
datonyb wrote:
[URL=][/URL]@ haze
what baffles me more is how the protection working light is green yet it says theres a site wiring fault !
if there is no earth/ground then the circuit protection can never work (in a proper electrical sense of the word fault protection)? the earth cable/connection is called a CPC for a reason (circuit protective conductor) |
Na. It will behave electrically like the wall outlet is only two prong. ie: missing that third ground wire/3 prong outlet.
Still no(t) good. Olser home were wired that way before the codes were updated to require it.
datonyb wrote:
i would suggest first get someone with an electrical background to look at the house/office
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x58haze, that statement above should be adhered to and followed. Don't read some pages on the internet, declare yourself an electrician afterwards, and think you can perform electrical repairs.
Hire a qualified Electrician. That can not be stressed enough!
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Yeah but is kinda difficult, to find a passionate electrician that really love what they do, most of them just don't care at all, but hope i can find one You say that i need to put a ground connection in home? like a copper bar Or do a double-check in that Circuit breaker first? right? thanks again Wardog. |
Don't do ANYTHING !!
Let an Electrician look at it and offer their recommendations.
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Yes sir, by the way Mr Wardog, what windows are you running on ryzen? anything special, that i can dowload, i want to do a fresh install.
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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 12:57am
" rel="nofollow - i gots to be honest looking at that picture scares the be-jesus outta me ! a slight correction to your description haze ,and one that really proves wardog has a very good point DONT TRY THE WORK YOURSELF
the reason ?
the numbers on the breakers are AMPS not volts...and im afraid mate if your not aware of the difference please stay well away from the electric amps/current above 30ma has the capacity to kill a man (that dis board has 40 amp outlets) volts dont really have that same worry (example the spark plug lead on your car is 20,000 volts and they just annoy you and tickle)
now back to the scarey picture well lets say ive had apprentices with less than 3 month experiance would declare that insane 1, no attention or care as to correct or even sensible use of cable colours (there using both live and neutral coded colours as live conductors) red is live , blue and black are neutrals (single phase) 2, green is the colour used world over for the cpc/earth (it seems your guy used it as neutral) 3, out of 8 possible circuits, only two are actually wired as a ring main (niether of these are the 30amp breakers which is the norm for a ring main) 4, the lighting is by lack of choice forced to be wired on a 20 amp breaker (mate over here domestic is 6 amp for lighting and commercial 10 amp e.g. shops and offices with many lights on the circuit) 5 i wont even go into detail about the lack of skill of installer by laying both live and neutral cable directly over a bare busbar thats not even protected by a 100amp local breaker (one bit of chaffing there onto the neutral cable on the right of picture and you have a dead short with lord knows what current flowing through it (probably a 250 amp supplier breaker ) which would turn that dis board into a ball of fire
MATE GET A DECENT ELECTRICIAN IN SOON
this is what a fuse board should look like
http://www.kingelectricalservices.co.uk/index.php/gallery.html
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Posted By: x58haze
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 3:06am
datonyb wrote:
[URL=][/URL]i gots to be honest looking at that picture scares the be-jesus outta me ! a slight correction to your description haze ,and one that really proves wardog has a very good point DONT TRY THE WORK YOURSELF
the reason ?
the numbers on the breakers are AMPS not volts...and im afraid mate if your not aware of the difference please stay well away from the electric amps/current above 30ma has the capacity to kill a man (that dis board has 40 amp outlets) volts dont really have that same worry (example the spark plug lead on your car is 20,000 volts and they just annoy you and tickle)
now back to the scarey picture well lets say ive had apprentices with less than 3 month experiance would declare that insane 1, no attention or care as to correct or even sensible use of cable colours (there using both live and neutral coded colours as live conductors) red is live , blue and black are neutrals (single phase) 2, green is the colour used world over for the cpc/earth (it seems your guy used it as neutral) 3, out of 8 possible circuits, only two are actually wired as a ring main (niether of these are the 30amp breakers which is the norm for a ring main) 4, the lighting is by lack of choice forced to be wired on a 20 amp breaker (mate over here domestic is 6 amp for lighting and commercial 10 amp e.g. shops and offices with many lights on the circuit) 5 i wont even go into detail about the lack of skill of installer by laying both live and neutral cable directly over a bare busbar thats not even protected by a 100amp local breaker (one bit of chaffing there onto the neutral cable on the right of picture and you have a dead short with lord knows what current flowing through it (probably a 250 amp supplier breaker ) which would turn that dis board into a ball of fire
MATE GET A DECENT ELECTRICIAN IN SOON
this is what a fuse board should look like
http://www.kingelectricalservices.co.uk/index.php/gallery.html
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Wow my respect to you Danytob and Wardog for help
But yeah today i survived when touching the circuit breaker panel, and i'm very sad, because I had that call or feeling that there was something wrong And what i found :(? well.. it is sad
These 4 things are attached to my Computer :( Fridge+refrigerator, Air-conditioner-portable, That thing that freeze water And this big TV+home-theather, dvd etc, plus my room pc.. and mom tv in room
This is the Fridge+refrigerator
Tv-in the living room
This is the Air aconditioner portable
These is the Water-cooling for drink ice water i guess lol
and lastly these are the especification of the air-conditioner portable Well mom always turn on that thing like 12hours straight from 6:00 pm to 8 am next day, the Fridge+refrigerator always on..., the ice-water machine always 24/7 on... and all that points to my one BREAKEr of 20 V, i just tested u.u
and yeah i need a better electrician, the guy that came like 1month ago told me about gets just one f 30volt instead, but he didn't pay attention that, those all things were connected to this 20 volt x.x
But yeah all of these things are attached to this one breaker, where my pc is connected u.u
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Posted By: Hannibalk1ng
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 7:46am
" rel="nofollow - any idea when the B350 boards will get this bios update?
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 8:48am
datonyb wrote:
" rel="nofollow - i gots to be honest looking at that picture scares the be-jesus outta me !
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Yea. I wasn't the least impressed either.
I see some scary ass sh*t happening in that pic.
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Posted By: Maddreg
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 5:33pm
New BIOS with AGESA 1.0.0.6b uploaded for http://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/Fatal1ty%20AB350%20Gaming%20K4/index.asp" rel="nofollow - Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4 http://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/AB350%20Pro4/index.asp" rel="nofollow - AB350 Pro4
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Posted By: foppe
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 6:11pm
" rel="nofollow - Question is, dare I install this with the reports about cpu voltages running rampant on a few other motherboards that got this update?
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Posted By: Maddreg
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 6:39pm
Maddreg wrote:
New BIOS with AGESA 1.0.0.6b uploaded for http://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/Fatal1ty%20AB350%20Gaming%20K4/index.asp" rel="nofollow - Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4 http://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/AB350%20Pro4/index.asp" rel="nofollow - AB350 Pro4 |
Asrock removed those BIOS's, probably they found some mistakes in it
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Posted By: foppe
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 7:03pm
They didn't, they've just not been synched to your local cloud provider's cache yet.
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Posted By: x58haze
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 4:14am
Can I ask something, why Asrock haven't update the drivers for Chipset or either Lan or realtek audio?
drivers are way outdated... for my ab350 fatality k4 gaming Should i updated my drivers here? or by going to AMD or Realtek sites? http://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/Fatal1ty%20AB350%20Gaming%20K4/index.asp#osW1064
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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 4:21am
id guess they either are not windows certified yet, or asrock havnt noticed they got windows certs
however
i go direct to amd for chipset drivers search on amd website for chipset am4 x370 windows version
and you can open device manager and manually ask windows to search for update driver for lan and sound
if windows has it it will update for you (this is usually done in the background anyway on windows update tuesday,once a month)
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 4:54am
" rel="nofollow -
datonyb wrote:
id guess they either are not windows certified yet, or asrock havnt noticed they got windows certs
however
i go direct to amd for chipset drivers search on amd website for chipset am4 x370 windows version
and you can open device manager and manually ask windows to search for update driver for lan and sound
if windows has it it will update for you (this is usually done in the background anyway on windows update tuesday,once a month)
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ASRock will only update drivers on a MB's page after and only after their engineers have certified them, in house.
@ datonyb
Really? Windows Update? Not on your life will I let Windows Update update my hardware. I even set Windows to not consider updating my hardware so it will never ever happen. http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/stop-automatic-driver-updates-windows-10
No. Go to the device manufacturers website.
I guess I'll create a Sticky that links to the device/chip manufacturers ASRock use. Look for it here in a short.
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Posted By: x58haze
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 7:11am
" rel="nofollow - By the way respect to my electricity problem, do you think thats the culprit of my gaming performance, that i feel like mouse, and monitor slow? like visual lag, input lag etc?
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 7:15am
x58haze wrote:
" rel="nofollow - By the way respect to my electricity problem, do you think thats the culprit of my gaming performance, that i feel like mouse, and monitor slow? like visual lag, input lag etc? |
There is no way to determine that remotely.
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Posted By: Korb
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2017 at 1:13am
" rel="nofollow - Hello guys, I would like to buy new components for my first pc build after years passed on a toaster laptop:
ZOTAC GTX 1070 AMP! Extreme Edition 8GB GDDR5 Case NZXT SOURCE 340 Midi-Tower black Window CPU AMD Ryzen 5 1600 WRAITH 3400 AM4 BOX Wraith Spire 80W Cooler ASROCK AB350 Pro4 16GB (8x2) C14 GSkill FlareX [F4-3200C14D-16GFX] (513905) SSD 2,5 250GB Samsung MZ-75E250B 850EVO - HDD int. 3,5 2TB Seagate Barracuda PSU 550W Corsair RM550x
I was wondering if with the new AGESA 1.0.0.6 BIOS update the RAM problem is solved. Can I reach 3200 out of the box? Is a 16GB C14 GSkill FlareX overkill or should I stick to a cheaper C15 16GB GSkill RipV K2 (they're both 3200MHz)?
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Posted By: Zach1928
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2017 at 7:21am
Korb wrote:
Hello guys, I would like to buy new components for my first pc build after years passed on a toaster laptop...
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The only certainties in life are death and taxes.. so the only way is to try and see even with current UEFI versions. Though your odds are better with Flare X and anything else on the QVL's.
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Posted By: Denroth
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2017 at 5:59pm
" rel="nofollow - @wardog so should I install this latest bios on x370 killer?
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Posted By: 010101
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2017 at 8:12pm
Well whyt the last bios my fuking kit of hynix m die dual rank f4-3200c16d-32gtzsw Is seem to be stable whyt 1.40 vdram at 2933.... on taichi... i need more test and test low timinings
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Posted By: PinetreeRoad
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2017 at 12:08am
After reading a few comments saying they didn't have increased boot times, i decided to reinstall the v3.10 BIOS. So i rolled back the BIOS to v3 and reinstalled v3.10 (both) from a USB drive this time and i no longer have the increased boot times i bitched out before.
So i'm wondering if my boot issue was related to installing the BIOS through the internet flash utility within the v3 BIOS. Maybe it was just a fluke.
So for the record if anyone else had issues with the latest BIOS increasing boot times, roll back the BIOS and reinstall the latest BIOS.
I also want to point out a bug that has been present in the BIOS for a few versions, as it seems nobody is aware of it. If you apply a saved on board profile while in UEFI mode (CSM disabled) the BIOS will completely freeze. It doesn't recover, and you have to manually power down the system. It will still apply all the settings from the profile though (you can verify this after force rebooting). With CSM enabled profiles apply as expected.
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Posted By: PinetreeRoad
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2017 at 12:18am
It's worth pointing out that you can now roll back drivers within Device Manager. You can just go into safe mode and roll back drivers ez now.
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2017 at 2:47am
Denroth wrote:
" rel="nofollow - @wardog so should I install this latest bios on x370 killer? |
Absolutely.
You still have that Killer SLI? Absolutely.
All my Sammy B-Die kits love 1.0.0.6b
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Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2017 at 11:12am
PinetreeRoad wrote:
After reading a few comments saying they didn't have increased boot times, i decided to reinstall the v3.10 BIOS. So i rolled back the BIOS to v3 and reinstalled v3.10 (both) from a USB drive this time and i no longer have the increased boot times i bitched out before.
So i'm wondering if my boot issue was related to installing the BIOS through the internet flash utility within the v3 BIOS. Maybe it was just a fluke.
So for the record if anyone else had issues with the latest BIOS increasing boot times, roll back the BIOS and reinstall the latest BIOS.
I also want to point out a bug that has been present in the BIOS for a few versions, as it seems nobody is aware of it. If you apply a saved on board profile while in UEFI mode (CSM disabled) the BIOS will completely freeze. It doesn't recover, and you have to manually power down the system. It will still apply all the settings from the profile though (you can verify this after force rebooting). With CSM enabled profiles apply as expected.
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Myself and a few others are aware and have mentioned the bug (in other threads) where loading a profile in the UEFI/BIOS with CSM disabled causes the freezing of the UEFI as you described. Installing Windows and running the board's firmware in full UEFI booting mode (CSM disabled) is still rare and not done by many people.
This is an odd bug, since I have been setting CSM to disabled on my many ASRock boards since my Z77 Extreme4 board, and every Intel Z chipset, X99, and an AMD 970 board since then, and have never experienced this even once. As you said, it is also not a new bug for Ryzen board UEFIs, although I forget if the very early UEFI versions for my board had this bug.
Also, I'm not sure about the profile being applied after the UEFI freezes. Personally, I press the Reset button when I was stuck with the UEFI freeze. Powering down the board when there is a UEFI/BIOS problem, such as a failed UEFI update, is not at all recommended, and can result in a bricked board. This loading a profile situation may be different than that, but I've seen too many bricked boards after powering down after a UEFI update failure, which sticks in my mind. Powering down the PC as you do should not perform a Save and Exit of the UEFI, or if the Reset button is pressed. It may be that loading a profile automatically applies it without doing a Save and Exit, but that would be new information to me. You may be correct, I'm just not sure.
As a workaround, we could set CSM to enabled, Save and Exit, go right back into the UEFI, load the profile (with CSM disabled), and Save and Exit when complete. A bit cumbersome, but at least no freezing in the UEFI.
Thanks for pointing this out, the more that do, the more likely it will be addressed.
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Posted By: Denroth
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2017 at 10:05pm
wardog wrote:
Denroth wrote:
" rel="nofollow - @wardog so should I install this latest bios on x370 killer? |
Absolutely.
You still have that Killer SLI? Absolutely.
All my Sammy B-Die kits love 1.0.0.6b
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Thanks man <3 with the new bios I can overclock ram at 3066mhz :D (stable)
https://i.imgur.com/qggKdLD.png
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Posted By: GabyGancia
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2017 at 7:44am
" rel="nofollow - Hi, I want to raise the memory at 3000Mhz but It wasn't possible with my current configuration, only up 2666Mhz. Should I update to BIOS 3.30? Will I get any benefit if I update? Thanks!
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Posted By: lowdog
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2017 at 6:14pm
" rel="nofollow -
foppe wrote:
Question is, dare I install this with the reports about cpu voltages running rampant on a few other motherboards that got this update?
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I'm on the X370 Pro Fat Gaming and bios 3.10 with the 1.0.0.6b Agesa does indeed have a vcore problem. With the same P state setting I did with bios 3.00 which gave me a solid stable vcore of 1.344/1.36 load with Level 5 LLC this bios will give the same vcore with the same settings.... BUT!!!...it gradually creeps up over time till it's sitting at 1.4V almost constantly, even when idle and hardly down clocks.....temps are pushing 50C when the comp is just idleing.
This bios has a SEVERE vcore issue that need reporting to Asrock ASAP before cpu's start frying.
Going to flash back to 1.0.0.6a bios 3.00 till this overvolting vcore creep up is sorted in a new bios.
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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2017 at 1:26am
" rel="nofollow - you know llc 5 is the weakest ? llc 2 or 1 is the tightest to maintain voltage as set
i ask because if i was having voltage move about more than i wanted MY llc would be set to level 1
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Posted By: seanpatrick
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2017 at 2:47am
This is a problem with the BIOS and p-state overclocking, perhaps with voltage offsets - it's not attributable to LLC adjustments in this context.
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Posted By: lowdog
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2017 at 4:57am
" rel="nofollow -
datonyb wrote:
you know llc 5 is the weakest ? llc 2 or 1 is the tightest to maintain voltage as set
i ask because if i was having voltage move about more than i wanted MY llc would be set to level 1
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As I mentioned these are the exact same settings I had in bios 3.0 with Agesa 1.0.0.6a and it did not exhibit the same behaviour that is occurring with bios 3.10 with Agesa 1.0.0.6b......the problem lies in the new bios.
------------- X399 Fat Pro Gaming bios 3.10 - TR4 1900X - 64GB G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ @ 3133MHz - Vega 64 AIO with EK block - WC Custom loop - 1500W Silverstone PSU - yay
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Posted By: SternRabbit
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2017 at 9:18pm
I agree with lowdog, something indeed is wrong. Same setup here with pstates but volts could be up to 0.05v higher than before or lower. My lowest voltage is 0.384v vCore and highest up to 1.41v vCore Previously it was 0.880v vCore and 1.36v vCore.
If i have 1.36v i have a low of 0.384v If i have 1.41v i have a low of 0.880v
Changes with every boot
CPU LLC1 SoC LLC3
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Posted By: nangu
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2017 at 11:30pm
" rel="nofollow - Was a little bored yesterday and decided to take another shoot at memory OC.
Tried 3066, managed to get it past boot and stress test it on Windows. After two hours of stress testing while watching a stream without errors, decided to look at some benchmarks to compare with my previous results @2933.
Rebooted to UEFI, adjusted fan curves a bit, save, restart, and bam!! Dr Debug's F9 festival. I couldn't boot anymore with memory @3066 :-(
I think AMD and motherboard's vendors need to address this cold boot / memory training problems. I find hard to believe a setting which is stable at stress testing, never sticks at reboot or cold boot.
Tha same applies at memory's voltage at boot. I can run perfectly stable @2933 at my memory rated voltage of 1.35v, but It need 1.375v to avoid F9 fest at cold boot. Hint: We need memory boot voltage setting in UEFI as ASUS boards.
Also, going from @2933 to @3066 needs a lot of voltages increase (when it posts if you're lucky enough). VDram from 1.375v to 1.40v, SoC from 0.92v to 1.1v.
I don't know where the culpruit lies: It's a weak IMC controller on the CPU? It's a memory automatic settings and/or training issues? It's a poor DDR4 design on motherboard?
I know AMD's specs lists @2666 as max memory supported btw, so @2933 I can reach stable is a bonus actually, but I think there is a problem somewhere anyway, because a stress test stable RAM @3066 on Windows which doesn't past training 9 of 10 times, it's an AGESA and/or UEFI design problem in my books.
Thanks for reading, and sorry for my little rant :-)
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 1:02am
" rel="nofollow -
nangu, was that with Memory Training :Disabled ?
Hint: Or, my
experiences here........ Start with SoC at 1.1, VDram at ? called for,
VTT_DDR runs half of VDram and I'll and a pinch, like, if VDram at 1.375
I'll make VTTT_DDR 0.69/0.695/0.700
SoC you can back down once
your mem begins responding. You'll know when it "begins responding" as
it's like being perched on the fence. A little this way, a little that
way, and all will still be stable. Versus pushing it all uphill.
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Posted By: nangu
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 3:42am
Hi wardog,
Thanks for your suggestions. No, it was with memory training enabled. On my system I found I had to leave it enabled to not get one or two F9 errors on cold boot @2933, but I will try disabling that option @3066 and see how it does.
VTT_DDR I set always at half VDram.
My main problem now is to get a config @3066 which passes post. Once I get it nailed (if I ever can), yes, as you said I could start lowering SoC volts and testing stability.
My main gripe right now is how frustrating it is when you pass two hours of stress testing only to discover your "somewhat OK" settings do not pass a reboot and/or a cold post never again :-((
I'm having dreams at night with that "F9" Dr Debug code :-)))
Thank you very much anyway, I'll wait for the new AGESA (if AMD is kind enough to release it some day) to try again. I'm happy with my system right now, but you know, we always want more and more, and tinkering with this AMD platform had become both a nightmare and a very good learning excercise ;-)
Cheers,
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Posted By: nangu
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 12:35am
A little update on my attempt to get @3066 stable and post.
It seems setting CLDO_VDDP to 975mv helped me to workaround the cold/warm boot issue. Had to let memory training enabled tough, and ProcODT at 60 ohm.
I have to do more testing but @3066 16-16-16-34-56 2T geardown disabled works.
Performance wise on AIDA memory benchmark, it's the same as my @2933 14-16-16-32 1T Geardown enabled, a little bit better latency only, so I have to do more testing to see if the bump on infinity fabric frequency has an impact on performance. Cinebench R15 score is a little higher, due to the higher frequency imposed to the infinity fabric, because DRAM bandwith is the same.
If it's a little or non negligible impact on performance, I will go back to @2933 for stability reasons and wait for new AGESA :-(
Thanks for reading.
------------- R7 1700 @3.90 1.25v - GSkill TridentZ 3200c16 Hynix MFR @2933 14-16-16-32 - Fatal1ty Gaming X370 K4 - Gigabyte GTX 1070 G1 - WD 256 Black M2 Nvme as Windows 10 boot drive - EVGA Gold 650W
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Posted By: Ariefsandy
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2017 at 2:04am
" rel="nofollow - I have a plan to buy fatal1ty ab350 gaming k4 and pairing with Corsair DDR4 Vengeance LPX PC25600 16GB (2X8GB) - CMK16GX4M2B3200C16
So it will run at 3200mhz or just stuck at 2933mhz?
Sorry if my english not very well
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Posted By: nangu
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2017 at 3:46am
Ariefsandy wrote:
" rel="nofollow - I have a plan to buy fatal1ty ab350 gaming k4 and pairing with Corsair DDR4 Vengeance LPX PC25600 16GB (2X8GB) - CMK16GX4M2B3200C16
So it will run at 3200mhz or just stuck at 2933mhz?
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Corsair 3200 C16 likely are Hynix, so with some tuning and luck you will be @2933.
For @3200 you have to look at C14 kits, which 99% are Samsung B-die chips. There is no warranty you can run @3200 on these tough :-(
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Posted By: Ariefsandy
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2017 at 4:01am
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nangu wrote:
Ariefsandy wrote:
[URL=][/URL]I have a plan to buy fatal1ty ab350 gaming k4 and pairing with Corsair DDR4 Vengeance LPX PC25600 16GB (2X8GB) - CMK16GX4M2B3200C16
So it will run at 3200mhz or just stuck at 2933mhz?
Sorry if my english not very well |
Corsair 3200 C16 likely are Hynix, so with some tuning and luck you will be @2933.
For @3200 you have to look at C14 kits, which 99% are Samsung B-die chips. There is no warranty you can run @3200 on these tough :-(? |
So do you have any suggestion of any c14 kits?
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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2017 at 4:09am
tridentz gskill 3200 cl14
but
it is very very expensive
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Posted By: Ariefsandy
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2017 at 4:18am
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datonyb wrote:
tridentz gskill 3200 cl14
but
it is very very expensive
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How about team dark pro ddr4 pc25600 3200mhz dual channel 16gb (2x8gb) 14-14-14-31 - tdprd416g3200hc14adc01 - for amd ryzen? It has c14 as well
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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2017 at 5:04am
without checking its 'probably' samsung die (chips) which is good but you would need to check
a dealer here in the uk swears by team ram in his systems using ryzen
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Posted By: nangu
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2017 at 1:07pm
datonyb wrote:
tridentz gskill 3200 cl14
but
it is very very expensive
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This, and Gskill FlareX 3200 c14 are the best bet.
I don't know about the Team Group sadly :-(
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Posted By: Ariefsandy
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2017 at 4:32pm
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nangu wrote:
datonyb wrote:
tridentz gskill 3200 cl14
but
it is very very expensive
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This, and Gskill FlareX 3200 c14 are the best bet.
I don't know about the Team Group sadly :-( | And ripjaws as well right?
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Posted By: nangu
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2017 at 10:57pm
I think yes. All Gskills, regardless the model, if it's 3200 C14 likely are Samsung B die.
The FlareX are advertised to be for Ryzen, so its XMP settings are optimized for the AMD CPUs so are the best bet for compatibility and to reach advertised speeds. They are expensive tough.
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Posted By: Maddreg
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2017 at 5:37am
Managed to OC my hynix mfr ram to 3200 at stock timings 16-18-18-38-56
RTT - off, RZQ/2, RZQ/4 Cad_Bus 30 30 40 60 Proc 60ohm 1,4v
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Posted By: nangu
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2017 at 6:01am
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Maddreg wrote:
Managed to OC my hynix mfr ram to 3200 at stock timings 16-18-18-38-56
RTT - off, RZQ/2, RZQ/4 Cad_Bus 30 30 40 60 Proc 60ohm 1,4v |
Thanks for the settings, I'll try it on my K4.
Geardown mode enabled?
Thanks.
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Posted By: Maddreg
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2017 at 3:11pm
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nangu wrote:
Thanks for the settings, I'll try it on my K4.
Geardown mode enabled?
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didn't touch the GDM so it was on auto (if I am not mistaken ryzen timing checker showed that it was enabled and CR1)
and here are the steps I made: 1) load UFI defaults with no CPU overclock 2) enabled XMP with 2933, put in my settings I mentioned above, then rebooted to BIOS 3) switched frequency to 3066 and rebooted 4) swithced frequency to 3200 and rebooted
Not sure if steps 3 and 4 are necessary but I did so to train memory just in case. I checked cold boot and it works fine. After that I OC'd the CPU to 3800@1.268 and everything works just fine. Next I will try to reduce timings
I also tried to set 3333 but system could not post and booted to safe settings - if it happens it is necessary to start all over because reducing just frequency to 3200 -> 3066 -> 2933 didn't help
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Posted By: nangu
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2017 at 11:58pm
Thanks @Maddreg.
So it needed to be in order. Damm memory training :-(
I tested your settings without success @3066, so I will try again in the right order.
Thanks again for your explanation.
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Posted By: Maddreg
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 2:41am
nangu wrote:
Thanks @Maddreg.
So it needed to be in order. Damm memory training :-(
I tested your settings without success @3066, so I will try again in the right order.
Thanks again for your explanation. |
I decided to reduce timings and managed to get 14-16-16-32, after reducing tRC to 48 I screwed up the setup and had to start all over. It took me a while to go through all steps again and boot with 3200Mhz and now I think I finally understood correct sequence and it should be like this:
1) default 2) voltage to 1,4, XMP to 2800 or highest you RAM can boot without issues, proc 60, cad_bus 30 30 40 60 (with these settings I manage to reboot without issues) 3) RTT off, rzq2, rzq4, 2933 and reboot At this point you most likely won't be able to boot properly and get 3 shut downs. After that you just go to BIOS and change frquency to one you put in step 2 of this instruction and you should boot fine.
Then you just change frequency to 2933, then 3066, then 3200 with reboot after each change not touching any other options and it should be ok now.
This instruction was only tested at my setup and my Hynix MFR memory kit and can be not suitable for other builds
upd. Found that everything is a bit easier: 1) default settings 2) xmp 2933 with all mentioned settings here 3 shutdowns and automatic return to default frequency with voltage reduction to 1,35 happen 3) change of frequency to one from xmp which boots fine and voltage to 1,4 again 4) 3200
of course reboot after every step is required
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Posted By: romulous75
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 6:09pm
- Purchased ASRock x370 Taichi about 2 months ago.
- Flashed to latest bios at the time (3.00).
- Worked ok with 3000Mhz Corsair DDR4 2*16GB dimms with XMP profile.
- Just today flashed bios to 3.20 followed instructions for using instance flash utility.
- Machine auto powered off at the end of flashing.
- Turned it back on, no POST, 4F code.
- Powered off, unplugged power, made sure power is drained.
- Reset BIOS with MB button
- Turned back on, 4F code
Not happy. I used the same good quality flash drive as I did when flashing version 3.00. I compared the md5 hash from another computer - they were identical.
Now my motherboard is DEAD! Just 4F code. Tried slower 2400Mhz ram, no change still a brick!
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Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 6:18pm
" rel="nofollow - Did you pull the CMOS battery too? There is no point in pulling the power if you don't pull the battery too. I would give that a shot first, if you have already then you will need to RMA sadly.
Good luck and let us know how it goes.
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Posted By: lowdog
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2017 at 8:14am
Hopefully you set F9 defaults before you tried to flash!!!
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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2017 at 8:20am
lowdog wrote:
Hopefully you set F9 defaults before you tried to flash!!! |
Agree. This should be MANDATORY.
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Posted By: Zach1928
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2017 at 2:28am
" rel="nofollow - Any B350 users out there having issues with 6b?
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Posted By: MarvelousXT
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2017 at 8:08am
I need option in UEFI to turn off USB port power tho, Deep Sleep mode doesn't do anything. I found some post said that this feature will be add in future ( post in May 2017) and still found nothing in UEFI setting now
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Posted By: Lesane
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2017 at 10:53am
Zach1928 wrote:
" rel="nofollow - Any B350 users out there having issues with 6b? | I have the Ab350 Gaming K4 board and this bios allows me to run my Team Vulcan ram kit at its rated 3000Mhz speed. Bear in mind; however, that i upgraded from 2.50 so there's a possibility that any of the bios updates in-between could've solved the issue too.
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Posted By: Zach1928
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2017 at 4:44am
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Lesane wrote:
Zach1928 wrote:
[URL=][/URL]Any B350 users out there having issues with 6b? | I have the Ab350 Gaming K4 board and this bios allows me to run my Team Vulcan ram kit at its rated 3000Mhz speed. Bear in mind; however, that i upgraded from 2.50 so there's a possibility that any of the bios? updates in-between could've solved the issue too. |
Do you know if I can flash straight from 2.6 to 3.2, or if I need to update to 3.0 and then 3.2?
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Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2017 at 5:54am
You can flash to the latest directly.
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Posted By: KLU
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2017 at 10:51pm
Hey guys! Just a quick update from me. I installed BIOS v 3.30 today (previously I had 3.0 and 2400MHz was max for me), and I see a little improvement. It's stable @ 2666 MHz (1.35V, 16-17-17-35, 1T), but I can't even boot @ 2800MHz, immediately get F9 error code. I'm waiting for more updates! Cheers! :)
EDIT:
Actually I have problems with cold boot. Seems like 2666MHz is running stable under load, gaming etc. but I'm getting F9 error code when turning the PC on. Anyone knows how to fix this?
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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 1:16am
KLU wrote:
Hey guys! Just a quick update from me. I installed BIOS v 3.30 today (previously I had 3.0 and 2400MHz was max for me), and I see a little improvement. It's stable @ 2666 MHz (1.35V, 16-17-17-35, 1T), but I can't even boot @ 2800MHz, immediately get F9 error code. I'm waiting for more updates! Cheers! :)
EDIT:
Actually I have problems with cold boot. Seems like 2666MHz is running stable under load, gaming etc. but I'm getting F9 error code when turning the PC on. Anyone knows how to fix this?
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have you got am4 boot training set to on/auto
this helps a cold boot issue
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Posted By: KLU
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 6:53pm
datonyb wrote:
KLU wrote:
Hey guys! Just a quick update from me. I installed BIOS v 3.30 today (previously I had 3.0 and 2400MHz was max for me), and I see a little improvement. It's stable @ 2666 MHz (1.35V, 16-17-17-35, 1T), but I can't even boot @ 2800MHz, immediately get F9 error code. I'm waiting for more updates! Cheers! :)
EDIT:
Actually I have problems with cold boot. Seems like 2666MHz is running stable under load, gaming etc. but I'm getting F9 error code when turning the PC on. Anyone knows how to fix this?
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have you got am4 boot training set to on/auto
this helps a cold boot issue
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I set it to Auto, but it did not help. Still getting F9.
Any other ideas? Here are my settings: https://imgur.com/a/q5ZGJ
Cheers!
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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 8:40pm
yes i do have a few ideas but
two things first really WHAT ram sticks do you have / exact specs would help (eg even the revision sticker on the corsair)
and also your pics were a good effort but you missed out the pic with the main timing settings of the ram
i found both setting the am4 boot training AND geardown mode to ON made a massive difference to stability (esp. the cold boot issue)
when you let me know exactly what ram sticks you have i may be abvle to suggest some other tuning/ settings to help it run at its design speeds
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Posted By: KLU
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2017 at 6:49pm
Hi datonyb. Thanks a lot for your help, I appreciate that.
I hope this helps: https://imgur.com/a/6G1Lr" rel="nofollow - https://imgur.com/a/6G1Lr
Cheers!
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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2017 at 7:31pm
KLU wrote:
Hi datonyb. Thanks a lot for your help, I appreciate that.
I hope this helps: https://imgur.com/a/6G1Lr" rel="nofollow - https://imgur.com/a/6G1Lr
Cheers!
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trying to upload a picture with data/settings now to photobucket to host for you .......its playing about with my upload please wait for a while
EDIT OK FINALLY GOT THE IMAGE UPLOADED
right heres YOUR ram sticks and the values entered into the ryzen mem calculator which seems to be doing very well
PLEASE NOTE your automatic xmp values seem to be pretty bad for the am4 platform one glaring issues seems to be the stock tcwl ( cas write latency) which is set stock xmp to 12 the ryzen calculator suggests 15 to match tcl cas latency (which is normal) for most sticks of ram BUT ..........THE AM4 BIOS will not allow odd numbers for this cas latency so your system sets it as 16 i suggest you also set the tcwl to 16
also maybe tfaw at 36 or 43 (instead of suggested 34 ) if you are struggling to get it stable
other than that follow the guidelines in this screenshot (maybe try 1.375 volts as well)
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/datonyb/media/corsair%203000_zpsf1ebdgq5.png.html" rel="nofollow">
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