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Topic: X370 Fatal1ty Pro - Unable to Create Large RAID0
Posted By: visualsoul
Subject: X370 Fatal1ty Pro - Unable to Create Large RAID0
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2017 at 11:16pm
I was wondering if anyone could help here.  I have a X370 Fatal1ty Pro board with 1800x processor.  The OS is installed on a Samsung 960 EVO 1TB, but I am trying to create a RAID0 with two of my 2TB Seagate SSHD's.  I tried using the BIOS utility, but that seems to limit you to 2TB an under.  I've tried installing the RAIDXpert utility on the disk, but once it's been installed and running, there are zero options for me to create a RAID.  I've also downloaded and installed a RAIDXpert2 option and that doesn't even allow me to login once the app has been installed.  Not sure why they make this such a pain in the butt.  On my previous Intel systems, it was so incredibly easy and quick.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!



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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2017 at 1:02am
" rel="nofollow - have you tried the amd raid utility ?

it appears when you search for chipset drivers for x370 along with the latest amd chipset driver
http://support.amd.com/en-us/download


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Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2017 at 2:08am
datonyb, I think you are talking about RAIDXpert.  Please correct if I am wrong but that is all I see and visualsoul has tried it and RAIDXpert2.

visualsoul, please look at the manuals (.pdf).  RAIDXpert2 says the max is 2.119 TB.  I did not read details in the RAIDXpert manual but it talked about migrating 16 TB LDs (Logical Devices, I think).  Enjoy, John.


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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2017 at 2:13am
john i dont even know the name of it

i just recall amd have thier own one on the chipset page

if it is the same one then im sorry for suggesting it
allthough the guys is in safe hands with you
your a lot better at raid stuff than myself Smile


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Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2017 at 4:01am
datonyb, you did and are doing fine.  I have used RAIDXpert before and am thinking about a RAID now.  Your post prompted me to DL the applications and manuals.  I suspect visualsoul has the apps but not the manuals.  I have done almost no research on RAID so far.  Enjoy, John.


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Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2017 at 4:09am
visualsoul, please DL and read the RAID manual from http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/Fatal1ty%20X370%20Professional%20Gaming/index.asp#Manual" rel="nofollow - here .  See Way2 for creating a RAID greater than 3GB.  Using the BIOS RAID setup:
Quote Onboard RAID 3TB+ Unlocker

Enjoy, John.


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Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2017 at 10:00am
Originally posted by visualsoul visualsoul wrote:

I was wondering if anyone could help here.  I have a X370 Fatal1ty Pro board with 1800x processor.  The OS is installed on a Samsung 960 EVO 1TB, but I am trying to create a RAID0 with two of my 2TB Seagate SSHD's.  I tried using the BIOS utility, but that seems to limit you to 2TB an under.  I've tried installing the RAIDXpert utility on the disk, but once it's been installed and running, there are zero options for me to create a RAID.  I've also downloaded and installed a RAIDXpert2 option and that doesn't even allow me to login once the app has been installed.  Not sure why they make this such a pain in the butt.  On my previous Intel systems, it was so incredibly easy and quick.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!


The default login ID and password are both admin, which you can later change.

For disk arrays larger than 2.2TB, the disks must be GPT formatted. As said above, use the "Way 2" instructions, but be sure to use the X370 chipset section, very important!

Yes, I agree the Intel RAID configuration is much easier. I used the AMD for the first time with RYzen and was surprised.


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Posted By: visualsoul
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2017 at 11:33am
@MisterJ That isn't an even an option on my motherboard.  Could not find it located anywhere.  

@parsec I can login, but there should be a tree along the left hand side that allows me to RAID my drives, but there's nothing there.  No logical drives or anything.


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2017 at 1:33pm
" rel="nofollow - Meh, Create and manage RAID through Windows.

http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/chipset?os=Windows+10+-+64

Grab both 17.30 files, Chipset and the AMD RAIDXpert Utility.

Install the 17.30 Chipset Drivers first, reboot immediately after, then and only then install the Windows based 17.30 AMD RAIDXpert Utility.

Give that a try visualsoul.

From me, a Michigander(Kalamazoo) myself until I retired here to AZ a year and a half ago.




Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2017 at 4:57pm
" rel="nofollow - Oh sh*t guys.........

visualsoul, you don't by chance have these two drives connected to the lower two SATA ports do you?

If you do that would explain everything. The lower two SATA ports, SATA3_A1 and SATA3_A2, are on the ASMedia SATA Controller and will NOT be seen by any AMD RAID config.






Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2017 at 8:44pm
Expanding on wardog's post, in my different ASRock X370 board, in the UEFI/BIOS there are three SATA configuration screens, two of them among the Advanced\AMD CBS screens.

Each of these screens has a SATA mode selection, AHCI or RAID. Since the SOC on the CPU provides some of the SATA ports, and the chipset does too, that makes sense. Why there are three screens has me wondering... Confused

The first several AMD SATA ports should be configured by the main Storage Configuration screen in the Advanced screen. Which screen belongs to the other SATA ports, I have not worked out yet. Check your manual for the location of the AMD SATA ports, and which ports are numbered starting at SATA3_0 or SATA3_1. Those should be the main AMD SATA III ports.



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Posted By: visualsoul
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 2:25am
I've downloaded and installed that 500+MB RAIDXpert executable, but it doesn't install RAIDXpert. I have to go to the AMD folder it's extracted to and I'm not sure which one to install. This is really frustrating.


Posted By: visualsoul
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 2:50am
I'm trying to re-install the AMD All in 1 Drivers, but it just keeps sitting there saying installing... but not doing anything.  I'd show a pic, but I can't figure out how to add one. 


Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 3:09am
visualsoul, it really should not be this difficult.  Please do not use the All-in-One stuff.  Please get the latest AMD SW from AMD.  I suggest you kill the forever install you have going.  I tried installing RAIDXpert on my VM but it did not work because the VM does not have any AMD HW.  If you will click on your UP arrow next to the clock (bottom right of screen) you should see an Icon for Radeon/AMD.  Double click this and see if you can find an option to get RAIDXpert going.  There is a sticky in top of the forum describing how to post images.  Please keep us informed.  Enjoy, John.


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Posted By: visualsoul
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 3:14am
It says License Level 0 - No RAID (Does not support RAIDXpert2).  When I attempt to login with admin/admin, it does nothing.  


Posted By: visualsoul
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 3:15am
" rel="nofollow - That being said, because this is Windows based, do you need to set the BIOS to RAID as well?  Whenever I do, my individual drives just disappear from Windows.  


Posted By: visualsoul
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 4:11am
" rel="nofollow - Currently the two drives that I'm trying to RAID are in SATA3_1 and SATA3_2.  I also have an 8 TB drive but that's in either SATA3_A1 or A2, I don't recall.  If I turn RAID on in the BIOS, I lose those two 2TB drives.  They aren't even visible to Windows 10.  Do I need to move the two drives to maybe SATA3_3 and SATA3_4?


Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 4:52am
visualsoul, I have not set up a RAID yet but I plan one on my next build.  I will take a look at the RAID manual I provided a link to above.  I assume you will need to enable RAID in BIOS so you can boot into the RAID manager. Above, wardog said:
Quote The lower two SATA ports, SATA3_A1 and SATA3_A2, are on the ASMedia SATA Controller and will NOT be seen by any AMD RAID config.

Make sure you have none of the drives you wish to RAID plugged into these two ports.  I will do some studying and post more.  Enjoy, John.


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Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 5:17am
visualsoul, are you running 64 bit version of W10, W8 or W8.1?  If not you cannot use Way 2, and I assume you cannot setup a multiple TB RAID.  You really need to read the RAID manual - http://asrock.pc.cdn.bitgravity.com/Manual/RAID/Fatal1ty%20X370%20Professional%20Gaming/English.pdf" rel="nofollow - DL here.   Please post all your system specifications as in my signature.  Thanks and enjoy, John.


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Posted By: visualsoul
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 5:36am
Fatal1ty X370 Professional Gaming, Ryzen R7 1800X, Samsung SSD 960 EVO, Corsair Vengeance 3000 MHz,, Windows 10 x64 Pro, Cooler Master 212x Turbo CPU Cooler, NVIDIA GeForce 1060, BIOS 3.10

The two drives I want to RAID are Seagate 2TB SSHDs.  They are plugged into SATA3_3 and SATA3_4



Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 5:43am
Thanks, visualsoul. You should be good.  I'm looking for the RAIDXpert manual for X370 and will get back to you.  Enjoy, John.


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Posted By: visualsoul
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 5:44am
Thanks! I've looked at it and either I'm an idiot or I'm clearly missing something. 


Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 5:57am
" rel="nofollow - visualsoul, you are no idiot and until I try it, I suspect I will not be able to figure it out but I will continue to try.  What kind of RAID are you trying to create - RAID 0?  I see no size limits in RAIDXpert and they talk about migrating 16 TB LDs.  Have you tried to create a LD?  Are the two drives not allocated in W10?  They should not have a drive letter assigned.  Enjoy, John.


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Posted By: visualsoul
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 9:37am
Here's the thing... I install the AMD Chipset Drivers, reboot and then install the AMD RAIDXpert Drivers... also from the AMD site and the Device Manager shows no RAID drivers as being installed.  Installing the RAIDXpert drivers does not install RAIDXpert/2 (neither of them).  These are my two drives that I'm trying to RAID0.







Posted By: visualsoul
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 9:48am
Hoping I can figure this out soon because it's driving me insane. None of this makes any damn sense.  Wish I would've paid a little more (or maybe a lot more) and just got an Intel system instead...


Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 10:09am
" rel="nofollow -
Originally posted by visualsoul visualsoul wrote:

That being said, because this is Windows based, do you need to set the BIOS to RAID as well?  Whenever I do, my individual drives just disappear from Windows.  


Yes, you need to set the SATA configuration to RAID in the UEFI/BIOS, that is required. In the Advanced, Storage Configuration screen. If the SATA mode is not set to RAID in the UEFI, RAID will not work.

Actually, you should have installed Windows with the SATA mode set to RAID. It is difficult if not impossible to change the SATA mode to RAID from AHCI after installing Windows. There is a Windows registry modification for Intel's RAID (different than AMD's) that allows you to change from AHCI to RAID mode, but I am not aware of how that is done with AMD's RAID software, or if it is even possible.

Windows 10 may not have a built in RAID driver that is compatible with Ryzen. During the Windows installation, you would choose a Custom installation, and load the basic AMD RAID driver. That is the SATA Floppy Image ver:8.1.0.26 on your board's download page. The RAIDXpert2 software is not the AMD Ryzen RAID driver, just the RAID configuration software.

If you start Windows Device Manager, do you see an entry for Storage Controllers? If so, there should be an entry for the AMD RAID Controller. If you have neither of those things, RAID won't work.

Again in Device Manager, in the IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers entry, you will probably find three or four entries for your board's SATA controllers running in AHCI mode. Two or three will be the AMD SATA controllers, the other the ASMedia SATA controller. They probably all use the Microsoft AHCI driver, storahci.

Please check Device Manager and let us know what you find. Set the SATA mode to RAID first, save and exit the UEFI, and then check Device Manager. If you find an Unknown Device entry at that point, let us know. That may be the AMD SATA RAID controller without a driver.

I've used AMD's RAID on my Ryzen X370 board, and had it working, but stopped using it when I installed Windows 10 over again on my Ryzen PC.



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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 10:14am
Originally posted by visualsoul visualsoul wrote:

These are my two drives that I'm trying to RAID0.






Those drives shown don't appear to be GPT Formatted.


EDIT: OK, I have two 3TB drives in my hands to do a walk through with/for you. Tonight yet or early morning.





Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 10:30am
visualsoul, open disk management, right click each disk and click delete volume.  Then right click and click Convert to GPT.  Go into the BIOS and set SATA mode to RAID as parsec said, as here:
https://postimages.org/" rel="nofollow">
parsec may be correct that you cannot change the SATA mode but it is worth a try.  I'll catch you tomorrow.  Good luck, John.


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Posted By: visualsoul
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 10:39am
Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Originally posted by visualsoul visualsoul wrote:

These are my two drives that I'm trying to RAID0.

They are GPT.  I converted them using Mini Tool Partition Manager, which is why I'm guessing it shows 17MB Unallocated.  If you'd like to go through this together, I'm up for it.  









Those drives shown don't appear to be GPT Formatted.


EDIT: OK, I have two 3TB drives in my hands to do a walk through with/for you. Tonight yet or early morning.





Posted By: visualsoul
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 10:47am
" rel="nofollow - I did not install Windows with the SATA mode set to RAID.  So basically, you're telling me I'll have to start from scratch again?  I've never had to do it that way with Intel.  That makes sense if you're installing Windows to a RAID drive, but these are just two disks that I want stripe together.  My Samsung 960 EVO is what Windows is installed on.  Thankfully, I haven't really set my system up... so if I do have to reinstall Windows, it won't be complete hell.

EDIT: Whenever I set the SATA Mode to RAID in the BIOS (in two different sections), I am no longer able to see those two 2TB drives.  Is that normal?


Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 6:45pm
just to chirp in
(and im sure these guys will have it fool proof for you later on)

but if your not using the raid as a boot drive then im certain you wont have to reinstall windows
i think parsec thought you had installed windows on the sata connectors and one of the two 2tb drives


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Posted By: visualsoul
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 9:33pm
Looks like I finally got it going... it seems the missing piece was needing to do the Windows AHCI to RAID hack.  So even though I was "installing" the chipset drivers and the RAIDXpert software... it wasn't. Apparently it needed Windows to install some drivers first, which is annoying because none of that is mentioned in manuals as far as I seen.  Thanks to everyone for their help. 


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 11:31pm
Originally posted by visualsoul visualsoul wrote:

Looks like I finally got it going... it seems the missing piece was needing to do the Windows AHCI to RAID hack.  So even though I was "installing" the chipset drivers and the RAIDXpert software... it wasn't. Apparently it needed Windows to install some drivers first, which is annoying because none of that is mentioned in manuals as far as I seen.  Thanks to everyone for their help. 


TaaDaa

Great to hear.




Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 11:36pm
" rel="nofollow - visualsoul, great!  I know a lot more now - my true purpose here.
Thanks, datonyb, for your chirp.  I was thinking that was true but was afraid to say.
Now a question for all.  Why do you think the original unRAIDed disks must be GPT?  I do  not think so.   I do think that the created Logical Device must be GPT to be over 2TB but that is true of any device that Windows sees.  Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think disks straight from the factory should be able to be presented to RAIDXpert and used to create an LD.  Wardog, you should be able to use diskpart to do a clean on your two 3 TB disks and create a RAID from them.  When creating the RAID a special format is used by the RAID SW.  Please let me know where I am wrong.
Thanks and enjoy, John.


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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 11:47pm
" rel="nofollow - J, I'm gonna pop your bubble.

The need to be GPT , as MBR has a limit of ~2TB, remember?


Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 11:51pm
Sorry, wardog, that does not pop my bubble.  Enjoy, John.


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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 11:57pm
J, as far as a special format, no.

Again remember, RAID is only a means to consolidate drives into an array, pick your flavor.

Now in the creation of an array by using special RAID configuration software, it, this sw, knowingly alters disks layout to match the level of RAID selected. Then the sw part is finished, and the RAID driver takes over after creation and during use.


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 11:58pm
Originally posted by MisterJ MisterJ wrote:

Sorry, wardog, that does not pop my bubble.  Enjoy, John.


don't tell me everyone has no sense of humor today too

that was a joke


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 12:06am
" rel="nofollow -
Originally posted by MisterJ MisterJ wrote:

Sorry, wardog, that does not pop my bubble.  Enjoy, John.


Are you referring to Parity John?


Posted By: visualsoul
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 12:14am
" rel="nofollow - But my big question is, why doesn't Windows see the disks as usable drives?  For instance, say I have three of those 2 TB drives, but I'm only going to RAID two of them... the third is still invisible (by invisible, I mean they don't even show up in Disk Management) to the system.  I haven't jumped into the RAIDXpert software as I'm at work, but I'm assuming I'll have to tell the software that the extra drive will just be a normal drive, unRAIDed.


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 12:17am
Originally posted by visualsoul visualsoul wrote:

I haven't jumped into the RAIDXpert software as I'm at work, but I'm assuming I'll have to tell the software that the extra drive will just be a normal drive, unRAIDed.


Correct. It must be "marked' as such in the SW prior.


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 12:19am
Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Originally posted by visualsoul visualsoul wrote:

I haven't jumped into the RAIDXpert software as I'm at work, but I'm assuming I'll have to tell the software that the extra drive will just be a normal drive, unRAIDed.


Correct. It must be "marked' as such in the SW prior.


Clarification

Correct. It must be "marked' as such USING the SW prior.


Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 1:06am
" rel="nofollow - will a third drive unraided in a pair not just default to JABOD ?


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Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 2:00am
datonyb, I don't think so.  I suspect it will be taken as a spare in RAIDXpert.  If visualsoul sets it as not a spare, I would expect it to show up in disk management.
Wardog, for bubble popping, if you have some time, please run the experiment I suggested.  Use diskpart to do a clean, then see if you can create a RAID with the pair.  Use disk management to format it as GPT and you should see 6 TB or so. 
Thanks and enjoy, John.


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Posted By: visualsoul
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 2:13am
Once I get this all settled, then it's on to see what my machine tanks on the PCMark 10 benchmark.  I end up just shy of 3,700 overall, which is really weak.


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 5:00am
Originally posted by MisterJ MisterJ wrote:

datonyb, I don't think so.  I suspect it will be taken as a spare in RAIDXpert.  If visualsoul sets it as not a spare, I would expect it to show up in disk management.
Wardog, for bubble popping, if you have some time, please run the experiment I suggested.  Use diskpart to do a clean, then see if you can create a RAID with the pair.  Use disk management to format it as GPT and you should see 6 TB or so. 
Thanks and enjoy, John.


Slowly, SLOWLY, I find myself short of large HDDs here so I find myself moving ~200 DVD ISO's off this one 3TB over to a couple WD 2TB Passports via slow usb.

When done I will.

6TB huh. RAID0 Striped. Fast, but no parity. You got it John.


Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 5:37am
" rel="nofollow - Thanks, wardog.  As I read the specifications for these boards RAID 0, 1 and 10 are supported.  I assume 5 is not.  How do you get parity (error checking/correcting) except for dual copy?  Thanks and enjoy, John.


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Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 8:41am
" rel="nofollow -
Originally posted by visualsoul visualsoul wrote:

But my big question is, why doesn't Windows see the disks as usable drives?  For instance, say I have three of those 2 TB drives, but I'm only going to RAID two of them... the third is still invisible (by invisible, I mean they don't even show up in Disk Management) to the system.  I haven't jumped into the RAIDXpert software as I'm at work, but I'm assuming I'll have to tell the software that the extra drive will just be a normal drive, unRAIDed.


When you change from AHCI to RAID mode from an OS installation not done in RAID mode, you don't have RAID drivers installed after you save and exit the UEFI/BIOS. That is why your 2TB drives are not seen in Windows, etc. I'll explain more in a moment.

BTW, the only reason your OS booted after changing from AHCI to RAID mode, is because you are using an NVMe SSD as the OS drive. NVMe is separate from SATA and SATA RAID, so changing the SATA mode did not affect your NVMe SSD.

I just changed from AHCI to RAID mode in the UEFI of my X370 Killer SLI/ac board (Ahh, the life of a moderator...) and while my 960 EVO with Windows 10 booted fine, my other two SATA drives became missing. Sounds familiar? They are drives I've used with my X370 PC from the start, not new, but that makes no difference.

If you had a SATA drive as your OS drive, after changing to RAID mode from AHCI, none of your drives, including the OS drive, would have been seen by Windows, so no OS drive to boot from. That's partially a Windows issue, the registry entry for the SATA driver (AHCI or RAID) is not set to load a driver when the SATA mode is changed. The registry hack to enable Intel RAID from AHCI is changing that entry to force the Intel IRST RAID driver to install. But in that case Windows has an Intel IRST driver among its files to use. Not so for Ryzen, at least yet in Windows 10.

One detail about changing to RAID mode: You must do it in two places, the Storage Configuration screen, and in the Advanced\AMD CBS\Promontory Common Options\PT SATA Configuration Options screen. According to the RAIDXpert2 manual, both need to be set to RAID mode in order for the RAIDXpert software to work.

Checking Device Manager after changing to RAID mode in both places, I found two entries for the AMD RAID controller, but not under Storage Controllers. They were by themselves, and had a problem, each has no driver.

Two fixes for this, one is to run the AMD All in One chipset driver installation program again, or manually install the AMD Ryzen RAID driver, the SATA Floppy Image ver:8.1.0.26 from your board's download page.

I only had partial success running the AMD All in One driver installer, it only installed the AMD Ryzen RAID driver for one of the two AMD SATA controllers. I had to do a manual driver update via Device Manager for the other, pointing it to the AMD Ryzen SATA driver listed above.

Only after BOTH AMD SATA controllers had the RAID driver installed, did both of my SATA drives magically appeared again, and work normally. Note that I have no RAID arrays created at all. This is simply how the AMD RAID software works. No need to set anything as a spare.

I now have two entries (two for each controller) under Storage Controllers, which is how it should be. The IDE ATA/ATAPI entry in DM is gone, that is normal.

Question for you, although you seemed to ignore my last post, how did you get the RAIDXpert2 software installed before any of this was configured?



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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 2:31pm
Well........Finally.

Here goes nothing. Going to do a fresh install on a spare SSD using the F6 SATA Floppy Image.


Posted By: visualsoul
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 6:10pm
Here's what I did... I did the AHCI to RAID hack. While in the BIOS, I also used the option to install the RAID drivers. Once I finished the "hack", I booted normally into Windows and first installed the AMD Chipset from their website, followed by the AMD RAIDXpert2 executable afterwards, which finally worked and actually installed RAIDXpert2. Once I did that, I was able to open RAIDXpert2 and configure my RAID0.  I'm going to attempt to install my 5TB WD Black drive tonight and see if it's visible to the system.  Based on what you mentioned, there's no reason it shouldn't present itself to Windows... though this has yet to be seen.  


Posted By: visualsoul
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 6:13pm
This is what my Device Manager currently looks like.




Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 8:37am
Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Well........Finally.

Here goes nothing. Going to do a fresh install on a spare SSD using the F6 SATA Floppy Image.


Yea. There goes nothing.Ouch

I'm semi-down till I figure out what I killed in Windows lastight.

Got the 3TB drives RAIDed, decided to update my BIOS to 3.20 and play with mem for a few, got it to boot albeit very unstable @ 3600, 3600!!!!!!, and wham.

Windows 10 Pro is hosed.

I'll fiddle some more then I'll reinstall, or try a Repair




Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 12:16pm
Originally posted by visualsoul visualsoul wrote:

This is what my Device Manager currently looks like.




That looks good to me, the Storage controllers entries are right.

RAIDXpert2 takes some getting used to, compared to Intel's RAID, but it seems to be more sophisticated in some ways, but at the cost of complexity.



The ASRock Fatal1ty X399 Professional Gaming download page has a new version of the AMD RAID driver and RAIDXpert2, despite the dates on ASRock's and AMD's website. I have NOT tried them yet.

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Posted By: visualsoul
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 10:09pm
Man, I just got mine working... not sure I'm up for messing with it just yet.  Though I am curious. Maybe I'll give it a try.


Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 10:51pm
You can run RAIDXpert2 safely and just check it out. If you move the mouse pointer over the Help button at the top right, you can open the User Guide. Your browser should give you an option to save the document, which I think is a good idea.

The Table of Contents is 11 pages by itself, of a 133 page document. Yes, a lot there but we don't need to read it all. I would advise looking at some of it just to understand the terminology and how it works. For example, in the Active Volumes section, a Device of type Legacy is a standard, non-RAID drive that cannot be used (yet) in a RAID array. Any drive or partition to become part of a RAID array must be Initialized first, which you probably know.

Whatever you do, do NOT connect an Intel IRST RAID array to your Ryzen PC. The AMD RAID driver and software will try to make sense of it, but it is not compatible, and the result will be a huge mess in RAIDXpert2. It won't ruin your AMD RAID arrays, but you'll have some cleaning up to do after you remove the Intel RAID array disks. RAIDXpert2 remembers the arrays it thinks it detected, waiting for them to be fixed, etc.

For best results with drives used in the past, use Disk Management on another PC to delete all the partitions, or the Diskpart clean command, before connecting them to an AMD RAID enabled PC.



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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 10:58pm
Originally posted by parsec parsec wrote:


Whatever you do, do NOT connect an Intel IRST RAID array to your Ryzen PC. The AMD RAID driver and software will try to make sense of it, but it is not compatible, and the result will be a huge mess in RAIDXpert2. It won't ruin your AMD RAID arrays, but you'll have some cleaning up to do after you remove the Intel RAID array disks. RAIDXpert2 remembers the arrays it thinks it detected, waiting for them to be fixed, etc.


Why..... That sounds like experience talking there TongueGeek


Posted By: visualsoul
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 11:27pm


Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Well........Finally.

Here goes nothing. Going to do a fresh install on a spare SSD using the F6 SATA Floppy Image.


Yea. There goes nothing.Ouch

I'm semi-down till I figure out what I killed in Windows lastight.

Got the 3TB drives RAIDed, decided to update my BIOS to 3.20 and play with mem for a few, got it to boot albeit very unstable @ 3600, 3600!!!!!!, and wham.

Windows 10 Pro is hosed.

I'll fiddle some more then I'll reinstall, or try a Repair




So you upgraded your BIOS to 3.20?  What board are you using?


Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 11:33pm
Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Originally posted by parsec parsec wrote:


Whatever you do, do NOT connect an Intel IRST RAID array to your Ryzen PC. The AMD RAID driver and software will try to make sense of it, but it is not compatible, and the result will be a huge mess in RAIDXpert2. It won't ruin your AMD RAID arrays, but you'll have some cleaning up to do after you remove the Intel RAID array disks. RAIDXpert2 remembers the arrays it thinks it detected, waiting for them to be fixed, etc.


Why..... That sounds like experience talking there TongueGeek


Bingo, we had a winner! I should have just said that previously. Ouch

Yes, grabbing two older SSDs from my SSD collection, not sure of their state... but I found out what it was! Yes, an Intel RAID 0 array on two drives becomes about five weird RAID arrays in AMD/Ryzen RAID! Removed the drives, but had to delete those arrays in RAIDXpert2. At least everything else survived!



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Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2017 at 11:36pm
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Originally posted by visualsoul visualsoul wrote:



So you upgraded your BIOS to 3.20?  What board are you using?


You weren't asking me, but I am now using 3.20 in an X370 Killer SLI/ac, which wardog also uses.

I think 3.20 is fine, the additional options for Smart Fan control in HW Monitoring are worth checking.



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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 1:28am
Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Originally posted by parsec parsec wrote:


Whatever you do, do NOT connect an Intel IRST RAID array to your Ryzen PC. The AMD RAID driver and software will try to make sense of it, but it is not compatible, and the result will be a huge mess in RAIDXpert2. It won't ruin your AMD RAID arrays, but you'll have some cleaning up to do after you remove the Intel RAID array disks. RAIDXpert2 remembers the arrays it thinks it detected, waiting for them to be fixed, etc.


Why..... That sounds like experience talking there TongueGeek


i was waiting for parsec to say at the end
"ask me how i know"


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Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 2:15am
Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Well........Finally.

Here goes nothing. Going to do a fresh install on a spare SSD using the F6 SATA Floppy Image.


Yea. There goes nothing.Ouch

I'm semi-down till I figure out what I killed in Windows lastight.

Got the 3TB drives RAIDed, decided to update my BIOS to 3.20 and play with mem for a few, got it to boot albeit very unstable @ 3600, 3600!!!!!!, and wham.

Windows 10 Pro is hosed.

I'll fiddle some more then I'll reinstall, or try a Repair



wardog, sorry to hear of your problems.  I have avoided the latest BIOS because of the problems posted in the forums, no real information for what is contained in the update and no apparent problems with my system  Enjoy, John.


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Posted By: visualsoul
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 2:56am
Originally posted by parsec parsec wrote:

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Originally posted by visualsoul visualsoul wrote:



So you upgraded your BIOS to 3.20?  What board are you using?


You weren't asking me, but I am now using 3.20 in an X370 Killer SLI/ac, which wardog also uses.

I think 3.20 is fine, the additional options for Smart Fan control in HW Monitoring are worth checking.



They haven't released an update to the BIOS for my board from what I can see.


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 3:35am
Originally posted by visualsoul visualsoul wrote:

So you upgraded your BIOS to 3.20?  What board are you using?


X370 Killer SLI/ac

Keep in mind when looking at these I hadn't tweaked anything. Those timings are what mem training set.

Yet it is tested stable at 3333, 1.35vDIMM, 1.1 SoC










Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 3:46am
stop cheating with the flashy ram we cant afford Tongue

Wink

ps hope your boot-fix works

i didnt see you mention system crash until john answered


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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 4:03am
Originally posted by datonyb datonyb wrote:

stop cheating with the flashy ram we cant afford Tongue

Wink

ps hope your boot-fix works

i didnt see you mention system crash until john answered


Just finished a complete reinstall this morning. Took it down to pieces and cleaned it too while I was at it.

As to can't afford. I need some fast ram to run across pre-release BIOSes. It's Sammy B-dies so so far it's been workable on everything I've put it in. Fastest one of six 16GB DDR4 kits I have.



Oh! Ask my Wife. We couldn't afford it either EmbarrassedTongue


Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 4:20am
Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Originally posted by datonyb datonyb wrote:

stop cheating with the flashy ram we cant afford Tongue

Wink

ps hope your boot-fix works

i didnt see you mention system crash until john answered


Just finished a complete reinstall this morning. Took it down to pieces and cleaned it too while I was at it.

As to can't afford. I need some fast ram to run across pre-release BIOSes. It's Sammy B-dies so so far it's been workable on everything I've put it in. Fastest one of six 16GB DDR4 kits I have.



Oh! Ask my Wife. We couldn't afford it either EmbarrassedTongue


one other quick thing wardog

when one edits the signature,one makes sure we dont invent an unreleased model of hard drive LOL  i presume mr quick fingers didnt mean evo 950

not that im still miffed at your gskills compared to my 3200's or anything Wink


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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2017 at 4:46am
Originally posted by datonyb datonyb wrote:

one other quick thing wardog


Dayyyyum. Are you a female? Clap


Posted By: visualsoul
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2017 at 12:55am
I've finally set up a couple RAIDs and everything looks good... up next, some slight OC'ing and time for benchmark testing.  Prior to me getting this all sorted out, my system was scoring so bad.  It's scores were on par with my Dell XPS 9550, which shouldn't even be close in scores.  Everything should stay cool though, I replaced my air cooler with the Kraken x52... so things should stay nice and cool.



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