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Topic: X370 F. Pro Gaming vs X399 FPG -- worse RAM compat
Posted By: SoniC
Subject: X370 F. Pro Gaming vs X399 FPG -- worse RAM compat
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 2:14am
" rel="nofollow - Hi all!

I own two Systems --
- one with x1800 on AM4 socket + X370 Fatal1ty Pro Gaming + G.Skill Ripjaws 5 64GB (16GB x 4, CL14, F4-3200C14-GVR) 
- the other - Threadripper x1950 + X399 Fatal1ty Pro Gaming + same G.Skill Ripjaws 5 64GB (16GB x 4, CL14, F4-3200C14-GVR)

The problem:
on AM4 platform after the first beta AGESA 1.0.0.6 the RAM is basically set XMP, 2T, Geardown disable and forget. Flawless. RAM works with CL14, 3200 2T.

However on SR4/TR4  I am unable to reach past stable 2933 (and a very wonky & unstable 3066 (sometimes posts, sometimes not). 
Tried all the tricks I know from AM4 (pre-AGESA 1.0.06) -- raising SOC a lil, raising RAM V a little, geardown, command rate, ProcODT..

Basically all the tricks described by Robert Hallock himself here:
https://community.amd.com/community/gaming
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I know these tricks/settings can be a little bit off for Threadripper so I post this question here:
does someone have a recommendation/idea what to tweak to reach the same level as on the x370/AM4 platform?

P.S. I followed the manual and populated banks D2, C2, A2 and B2.
P.S.2 I also swapped the modules between the platforms.
P.S.3. No change after upgrading to 1.50 Bios (with clear CMOS).

Thanks for all the valid input on this topic!


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-=SoniC=-
TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU



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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 3:44am
one side of me says logic should dictate board maker to adopt the same lessons and code over to TR
and for it to be easier to get ram working

but
with the TR your now trying to get 4 channels working instead of 2

the old adage applies more strain on a memory controller less ability to get the speed up

i know its not helping but your problem isnt going to be a lone one ,everybody using TR will want to be using the 4 channels and have it working well

the old answer again ,it should improve with later bios


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3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 3:58am
Yeah.... in the future I wanted to populate all the banks (because -- hell... why not! ;-) )  

And regarding BIOS --- 
That's why I've waited for a Bios update, but like I've said -- 1.30 & 1.50 didn't bring the expected results to the table. On the other hand mem compatibility improved with AGESA 1.0.0.6 on AM4 too... and it was end May (3 months after market release of AM4 platform). 
So... let's wait.

Just saying for the others --- X399 for now is a worse option in regard of RAM compatibility than X370...


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-=SoniC=-
TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 5:03am
" rel="nofollow - SoniC and datonyb, I opened TR BIOS 1.50 with a hex editor and was amazed to see the following:
Quote AGESA!V9.ThreadRipperPI-SP3r2-1.0.0.3

I was wondering if it was 1.0.0.6a or b, but if I believe what I see, it is 1.0.0.3!  I do not know if TR is on the same counting scheme, but if this is truly 1.0.0.3, I think it fixes fma3 bug but does not have the memory fixes.  I hope some ASRock person will respond (ASRock_TSD??).  Enjoy, John.

EDIT:  I sent ASRock_TSD and PM - will see what happens.

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Fat1 X399 Pro Gaming, TR 1950X, RAID0 3xSamsung SSD 960 EVO, G.SKILL FlareX F4-3200C14Q-32GFX, Win 10 x64 Pro, Enermx Platimax 850, Enermx Liqtech TR4 CPU Cooler, Radeon RX580, BIOS 2.00, 2xHDDs WD


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 5:13am
I was wondering the same but assumed that it already contains AGESA 1.0.0.6  (AGESA AM4 <>AGESA TR4)....  else it wouldn't make sense when logically thinking (to include lower release with a product that is 3 -4 months older)...

Thanks MisterJ ! 
Let's wait for the reply...


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-=SoniC=-
TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 5:27am
Thanks, SoniC.  The TR BIOS page says this for BIOS 1.30:
Quote Update "ThreadRipperPI-SPr3-1.0.0.3"

I guess this should not have been a surprise to me.  I PMed ASRock_TSD once before on a problem I had and never got a response.  Google also finds 1.0.0.3.  Enjoy, John.


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Fat1 X399 Pro Gaming, TR 1950X, RAID0 3xSamsung SSD 960 EVO, G.SKILL FlareX F4-3200C14Q-32GFX, Win 10 x64 Pro, Enermx Platimax 850, Enermx Liqtech TR4 CPU Cooler, Radeon RX580, BIOS 2.00, 2xHDDs WD


Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 8:22am
After more research more strangeness:
AGESA!V9.ThreadRipperPI-SP3r2-1.0.0.3  ASRock
AGESA!V9.ThreadRipperPI-SP3r2-1.0.0.3A Gigabyte
AGESA!V9.ThreadRipperPI-SP3r2-1.0.0.3A MSI
AGESA!V9.ThreadRipperPI-SP3r2-0.0.6.0  ASUS



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Fat1 X399 Pro Gaming, TR 1950X, RAID0 3xSamsung SSD 960 EVO, G.SKILL FlareX F4-3200C14Q-32GFX, Win 10 x64 Pro, Enermx Platimax 850, Enermx Liqtech TR4 CPU Cooler, Radeon RX580, BIOS 2.00, 2xHDDs WD


Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 10:35am
Originally posted by SoniC SoniC wrote:

" rel="nofollow - Hi all!

I own two Systems --
- one with x1800 on AM4 socket + X370 Fatal1ty Pro Gaming + G.Skill Ripjaws 5 64GB (16GB x 4, CL14, F4-3200C14-GVR) 
- the other - Threadripper x1950 + X399 Fatal1ty Pro Gaming + same G.Skill Ripjaws 5 64GB (16GB x 4, CL14, F4-3200C14-GVR)

The problem:
on AM4 platform after the first beta AGESA 1.0.0.6 the RAM is basically set XMP, 2T, Geardown disable and forget. Flawless. RAM works with CL14, 3200 2T.

However on SR4/TR4  I am unable to reach past stable 2933 (and a very wonky & unstable 3066 (sometimes posts, sometimes not). 
Tried all the tricks I know from AM4 (pre-AGESA 1.0.06) -- raising SOC a lil, raising RAM V a little, geardown, command rate, ProcODT..

Basically all the tricks described by Robert Hallock himself here:
https://community.amd.com/community/gaming
------------
I know these tricks/settings can be a little bit off for Threadripper so I post this question here:
does someone have a recommendation/idea what to tweak to reach the same level as on the x370/AM4 platform?

P.S. I followed the manual and populated banks D2, C2, A2 and B2.
P.S.2 I also swapped the modules between the platforms.
P.S.3. No change after upgrading to 1.50 Bios (with clear CMOS).

Thanks for all the valid input on this topic!


Sorry no help here, I am just... stunned, shocked, and baffled that you can use 64GB of Ripjaws V in an AM4 board at 3200! Shocked

Nothing but Intel in the G.SKILL QVL:

http://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c14d-32gvr" rel="nofollow - http://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c14d-32gvr

Plus, are you using two 32GB kits of this memory, for the 64GB total? Confused



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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 11:34am
Originally posted by SoniC SoniC wrote:

I was wondering the same but assumed that it already contains AGESA 1.0.0.6  (AGESA AM4 <>AGESA TR4)....  else it wouldn't make sense when logically thinking (to include lower release with a product that is 3 -4 months older)...


ThreadRipper, as witnessed by 8 memory slots, employs a quad channel memory controller vs Ryzens two channel controller.

AGESA revisions will not follow Ryzens.


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 2:22pm
>>I am just... stunned, shocked, and baffled that you can use 64GB of Ripjaws V in an AM4 board at 3200! Shocked
>>Nothing but Intel in the G.SKILL QVL:
But you haven't checked that : it is in QVL on the ASRock site, and yes, it is a Samsung Die, and it works with 3200 CL14 2T Wink


>>Plus, are you using two 32GB kits of this memory, for the 64GB total? Confused
No, they are sold as a 64GB kit too.




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-=SoniC=-
TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2017 at 2:29pm
Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Originally posted by SoniC SoniC wrote:

I was wondering the same but assumed that it already contains AGESA 1.0.0.6  (AGESA AM4 <>AGESA TR4)....  else it wouldn't make sense when logically thinking (to include lower release with a product that is 3 -4 months older)...


ThreadRipper, as witnessed by 8 memory slots, employs a quad channel memory controller vs Ryzens two channel controller.

AGESA revisions will not follow Ryzens.

Thanks wardog, so I assume I have no other option as to wait for a future AGESA updates in hopes that I will reach the same mem  speeds on x399 as on the x370.


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-=SoniC=-
TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 4:05am
Just wanted to add that on the X399 FPG Bios v 1.6 there is no notable change in the memory (OC) stability. (Also none was expected really, but I wanted to post this for others wondering the same).
 
3066 feels maybe just a little bit more stable (can also be a placebo), but 3200 is still a far cry compared to X370 FPG mainboard.

UPDATE: 3066 stability was a placebo... :-/  
Waiting for AMD & ASRock to address the quad channel memory controller stability in the future updates...


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-=SoniC=-
TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 6:57am
off topic a bit

but feck me sideways sonic

you dont mess around with the cost of a build do you !

respect to that system

i shudder to think what it all cost


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3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 7:46am
Originally posted by datonyb datonyb wrote:

off topic a bit

but feck me sideways sonic

you dont mess around with the cost of a build do you !

respect to that system

i shudder to think what it all cost

Thanks man.... yeah.... it cost me an arm and a leg (don't forget about a kidney LOL )
"Men will always be boys.... just the toys are getting more expensive".

Another Update: 
Updated to Beta BIOS L.1.61 (courtesy of jzelectronic.de   -- thanks man), and again no noticeable changes. Mem still on 2933 on my main X399 rig (vs 3200 on X370 for exactly the same modules).


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-=SoniC=-
TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 9:26am
" rel="nofollow - SoniC, what 64GB Kit PN is that G.Skill goodness you have there?


Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 10:39am
Originally posted by SoniC SoniC wrote:

>>I am just... stunned, shocked, and baffled that you can use 64GB of Ripjaws V in an AM4 board at 3200! Shocked
>>Nothing but Intel in the G.SKILL QVL:
But you haven't checked that : it is in QVL on the ASRock site, and yes, it is a Samsung Die, and it works with 3200 CL14 2T Wink


>>Plus, are you using two 32GB kits of this memory, for the 64GB total? Confused
No, they are sold as a 64GB kit too.




I know, sorry, I just enjoy the irony of G.SKILL's QVL lists, which are basically meaningless when it comes to Ryzen.

For example, G.SKILL added Intel X299 boards to the QVL (Ripjaws V is not a new model), that were released after X370/Ryzen, yet we know your F4-3200C14-GVR memory works in both X370 and X399 systems, that are not in their QVL. In the past, I assumed that was because the XMP profile was designed for Intel systems, but as you know, the XMP profile works for Ryzen too.

I suggest posting in the AMD forum regarding Threadripper AGESA updates, and the numbering scheme. Who would know better than AMD?

I think it is strange that the memory capability of Threadripper is different than that of Ryzen at this point. If Threadripper is basically Ryzen Zepplin processor modules including the IMC, just more of them in one package, then they should be identical in memory speed capability. Or better, if as I have read, Threadripper uses Ryzen modules that are the top 5% - 10% best binned modules.

G.SKILL has just released new Ryzen/Threadripper optimized models of their TridentZ line. The model numbers will end in an 'X' to designate that compatibility. I'm not adding this for any reason except FYI, since I really don't think it matters much. I'd love to know what differences there are between the Intel and AMD models:

https://www.techpowerup.com/237240/g-skill-releases-amd-ryzen-optimized-trident-z-rgb-ddr4-memory" rel="nofollow - https://www.techpowerup.com/237240/g-skill-releases-amd-ryzen-optimized-trident-z-rgb-ddr4-memory



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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 3:45pm
Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

" rel="nofollow - SoniC, what 64GB Kit PN is that G.Skill goodness you have there?



Got it, I think:
https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c14q-64gvr


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 6:05pm
Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

" rel="nofollow - SoniC, what 64GB Kit PN is that G.Skill goodness you have there?



Got it, I think:
https://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c14q-64gvr

Yup, that's exatly this PN --- F4-3200C14-16GVR. 
Ripjaws V (red) 4x 16GB set.

X370 (after AGESA 1.0.0.6) - load XMP, set CR to 2T and Geardown disable and done - fire & forget.
X399 - you can observe my fight here in this thread Wink


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-=SoniC=-
TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2017 at 11:48pm
New BIOS for ASRock FPG & Taichi X399 -- 1.70.
But since they only mention the new NVME Raid functionality I assume it will behave exactly the same as 1.60 & 1.61 in regard of memory support & compatibility (quad channel is still worse than x370 (my 16GBx4 sticks reach only 2933 and on x370 -- full speed 3200 CL14), and 8 channel is nearly non-functional populated with 16GB modules).


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-=SoniC=-
TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 2:21pm
New BIOS out --- 1.80:
Update AGESA to 1.0.0.4

Testing will follow today in the evening.


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-=SoniC=-
TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: mixmasstrw
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 10:30pm
Bios 1.80 (1.0.0.4) No progress in my case :(
I have F4-3200C16Q-32GTZB (Hynix not samsung - HWinfo) currently running on 2128 (not 3200).

This is a relatively new computer and I did not have enough time to tackle the subject, but until now, what I have tried does not allow me to speed up my memory.
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1950X | Taichi | 32GB 3200MHz G.skil Trident Z


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AZ


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 4:05am
1.80 BIOS : 
Same old, same old....
Virtually nothing changed for me... nothing... nada.

On my 64GB G.Skill Ripjaws V kit the 3200 speed is still unreachable. 4 sticks, Sammy B-die.
The only stable speed is 2933.



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-=SoniC=-
TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: mixmasstrw
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2017 at 4:33pm
mayby next month (1.9) - optimist :)


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AZ


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2017 at 11:45pm
Noup --- 2.00 brought nothing new to the table in regard of memory compatibility/stability/improvements.




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-=SoniC=-
TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2017 at 2:50pm
New beta UEFI 1.92 for X399 Taichi/FPG is out (stable probably will be 2.10). 
However when reading the changelog it doesn't look promising again...

Changelog 1.92>
-Fix 6 beeps if XMP 


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-=SoniC=-
TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: JUANNY
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2017 at 11:59pm
" rel="nofollow -
Originally posted by SoniC SoniC wrote:

New beta UEFI 1.92 for X399 Taichi/FPG is out (stable probably will be 2.10). 
However when reading the changelog it doesn't look promising again...

Changelog 1.92>
-Fix 6 beeps if XMP 


where is the beta bios posted?


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Asrock X399 Fatality Pro Gaming Bios 2.0 Threadripper 1950X Cpu cooler Enermax 360 mm TR4 GSkill 64 GB F4-2933C14Q-64GFX Windows 10 X64 PRO Version 1709 Build 16299.19 2X EVGA 1080 TI in SLI mode


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2017 at 12:06am
Originally posted by JUANNY JUANNY wrote:

" rel="nofollow -
Originally posted by SoniC SoniC wrote:

New beta UEFI 1.92 for X399 Taichi/FPG is out (stable probably will be 2.10). 
However when reading the changelog it doesn't look promising again...

Changelog 1.92>
-Fix 6 beeps if XMP 


where is the beta bios posted?

Here ya go -- contains both FPG and Taichi 1.92 beta (newer than 2.0)
https://gofile.io/?c=wSp43i



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-=SoniC=-
TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: JUANNY
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2017 at 3:56am
Originally posted by SoniC SoniC wrote:

Originally posted by JUANNY JUANNY wrote:

" rel="nofollow -
Originally posted by SoniC SoniC wrote:

New beta UEFI 1.92 for X399 Taichi/FPG is out (stable probably will be 2.10). 
However when reading the changelog it doesn't look promising again...

Changelog 1.92>
-Fix 6 beeps if XMP 


where is the beta bios posted?

Here ya go -- contains both FPG and Taichi 1.92 beta (newer than 2.0)
https://gofile.io/?c=wSp43i


Thanks for the post - that 6 beeps on every reboot gets annoying after awhile


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Asrock X399 Fatality Pro Gaming Bios 2.0 Threadripper 1950X Cpu cooler Enermax 360 mm TR4 GSkill 64 GB F4-2933C14Q-64GFX Windows 10 X64 PRO Version 1709 Build 16299.19 2X EVGA 1080 TI in SLI mode


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2017 at 5:45pm
" rel="nofollow - New UEFI v2.0A out, changelog unknown (for now I only noticed bug-fixes no other major changes).
UPDATE: Doesn't contain the 6-beep XMP boot fix Wacko

Download (both Taichi & FPG):
https://gofile.io/?c=4ZkE45

Merry Xmas :)



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-=SoniC=-
TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU



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