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What happened to Fatality X399 Bios 1.60?

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Topic: What happened to Fatality X399 Bios 1.60?
Posted By: LurkerLito
Subject: What happened to Fatality X399 Bios 1.60?
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2017 at 10:35pm
Just wondering what happened it was there yesterday and it's on my system now. If it was pulled for some reason I'd like to know if I should downgrade to v1.50.

So far it seems to be working OK for me but I am just now starting to test my build.



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Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 12:01am
LurkerLito, I do not have an answer for you but would strongly suggest you go back to 1.50.  I DLed 1.60 yesterday but will not install it until I hear from others here.  BTW, 1.60 still has AGESA 1.0.0.3.  Enjoy, John.


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Posted By: LurkerLito
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 1:42am
Thanks for the reply MisterJ. That might explain why I was certain that the original bios (1.3) did work at my DRAM 3200 speed (at least till it booted to a linux live system) while the current one had me back down the speed to 3066 because it was unstable. I was really just thinking they accidentally posted a beta bios as official. I'll drop down to 1.50 later, still it would have been nice if they mentioned the mistake on the bios download page since it was an apparent error on their part.


Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 2:31am
I agree, LurkerLito.  I have an open ticket with AMD about the down level AGESA.  I have even run into a situation where a memory vendor is not releasing their hottest memory for TR because they know it will not run with the current BIOS available to users.  Enjoy, John.


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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 6:55am
If your specific system is running fine there is no reason to downgrade.

It was pulled due to ASRock experiencing some issues with 1.60 and certain Users specific systems.


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 6:58am
Originally posted by MisterJ MisterJ wrote:

I agree, LurkerLito.  I have an open ticket with AMD about the down level AGESA.  I have even run into a situation where a memory vendor is not releasing their hottest memory for TR because they know it will not run with the current BIOS available to users.  Enjoy, John.


That is odd.

Memory vendors rely on AMD to supply the AGESA code and I highly doubt the mem vendors get first dibs at code before MB vendors.




Posted By: LurkerLito
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 10:50am
Well I downgraded and my G.Skill Trident Z CL14 3200 4x16GB Sticks did work somewhat at 3200 but it was a little unstable I had occasional random BSODs in Win 10 (one caused by Aida64 memory read benchmark) and an occasional lockup at boot up. So I dropped it down to 3066 and I haven't had an issue since. So I am not sure what the issue is but I can live with 3066 for now. The RAM isn't on the ASRock QVL List but it's on other X399 board's list so it should be fine. At 3066 it's completely stable with 5 hours and 2  passes of Memtest 5.01, an hour of Linux stressapptest so it's looking good to me and no issues with Aida64 memory benchmarks.

Next is the CPU but it's a bit confusing to me. I only set it to manual mode and it should be 3.4 Ghz but it's changing seemingly with every reboot into Win 10. Most of the time CoreTemp says it's running at 3.7 @ 1.125 but it's been as high as 4.0 @ 1.125 but that can't be right. Confused I didn't change anything else in the bios.



Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 7:30pm
if its a 1950x
then base speed = 3.4
max turbo speed = 4.0


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Posted By: LurkerLito
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 8:59pm
" rel="nofollow - Yeah I understand the turbo thing, but I set the mode to not be on Auto but manual 3400 @ 1.125 so shouldn't that mean it won't exceed 3.4 because it's on manual? That might cause problems if it tries to over boots when I set it to 4.0. It would be nice if ASRock put an explanation of these options in the enclosed manual but it only covers installation of the motherboard in different languages so I am going by how it went via my old motherboard from 5 years ago on a different platform from a different company.

Edit: Wait Exclamation, the PDF manual is different than the one included it actually has info on the bios options.


Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 9:06pm
" rel="nofollow - im wondering if you set it to manual mode BUT havnt entered anything else then it will just behave as its supposed to ?

i mean im running in i suppose manual mode
yet ive set parameters via p states
in my case i run at 3.9 ghz all the time and max volts are 1.3 and very very precisely stays at that max, yet when idle my can downvolt to as low as 0.272v

just by following basic ohms law and seeing temps i can figure out i have no need for these idle down clocks to 1500 mhz etc

i know this is a am4 ryzen but im sure theres a direct comparision to TR


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Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 9:38pm
Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Originally posted by MisterJ MisterJ wrote:

I agree, LurkerLito.  I have an open ticket with AMD about the down level AGESA.  I have even run into a situation where a memory vendor is not releasing their hottest memory for TR because they know it will not run with the current BIOS available to users.  Enjoy, John.


That is odd.

Memory vendors rely on AMD to supply the AGESA code and I highly doubt the mem vendors get first dibs at code before MB vendors.



wardog, what I report happened to me in an e-mail exchange with a memory vendor. 
In doing some search on this subject, I found testing being done in June with TR and AGESDA 1.0.0.6.  I can only assume AMD and the vendors have an NDA that allows testing on unreleased HW/AGESA/BIOS, so the kits I am talking about were tested, verified on later AGESA/BIOS, announced but not released, because we (users) do not have the code necessary to run them at speed.  Not kidding!  Enjoy, John.


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Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2017 at 10:17pm
Didn't the description for the 1.60 UEFI version for the Fatal1ty X399 Professional Gaming have a warning in red text about RAID arrays? It also said there was a new RAID driver version, 9... something, and that RAID arrays created with the earlier RAID driver version would not work with the new RAID driver. Existing RAID arrays would need to be deleted and recreated with the new RAID driver. There may have been a new AMD RAID storage Option ROM in the 1.60 UEFI.

Found it in another thread:

1. Enables NVMe RAID support.
(Note: 1. If you update the BIOS and build the new RAID, it is necessary to install new driver http://asrock.pc.cdn.bitgravity.com/Drivers/AMD/RAIDXpert2/RAIDXpert2%28v9.00.00.084%29.zip" rel="nofollow - V9.00.00.84 .
2. If the RAID was built with old BIOS, it is necessary to back up the data and rebuild RAID with new BIOS and driver.)


This was the new X399 support for NVMe SSDs in RAID arrays. AMD announced this feature for X399 a few weeks ago. Apparently it is not working correctly, or there was more to it than what was contained in the 1.60 update. AFAIK, that must be why 1.60 was removed, as well as the new RAID driver.



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Posted By: LurkerLito
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2017 at 2:24am
Quote im wondering if you set it to manual mode BUT havnt entered anything else then it will just behave as its supposed to ?


Actually after reading the PDF manual it turns out it was another setting in another menu that caused it. Advanced->AMD CBS->Zen Common Options->Core Performance Boost that has to be disabled or it will be trying to auto OC the processor it seems. So it happily lets you set your OC manually then it will try to ramp it up from there if that option is enabled (which it was by default).

My 1950x can hit 4.0 Ghz @ 1.32v and is stable but will throttle after about 10 minutes of running Prime95 when it hits about 80c with an Enermax TR4 360. So I might just clock a bit lower to 3.8 @ 1.25 which runs quite a bit cooler. Maybe I'll run 4.0Ghz in the winter and have it be my space heater. Wink


Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2017 at 3:00am
" rel="nofollow - LurkerLito, I am totally surprised by your 80 C on the Enermax Ligtech TR4 360 cooler.  I have done no stress testing yet but I do not expect anything near that on my TR4 240.  My idle CPU temperatures are about 35 C (AIDA64).  What method are you using to measure?  Aida64 also measures CPU power usage.  Do you know that?  I was waiting to get some good memory and AMD/ASRock get the AGESA/BIOS problems fixed.  Did you check the flatness on the CPU and cold block?  My CPU was very flat but the cold block allowed a piece of paper across the diagonal (about 0.4 mm).  I used Arctic Silver 5.  What TIM did you use?  Do you think you got a good interface?  Thanks and enjoy, John.


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Posted By: LurkerLito
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2017 at 5:16am
" rel="nofollow - My idle temps are 34-35c and the block is very flat I didn't notice anything that might need to be lapped. The TIM is Arctic MX-4. I am measuring with Coretemp and it's not perfect as it can lag a bit in readings when prime95 is running but when the CPU started to throttle it was very noticeable since the temp dropped to the low 70c range. It's what I was expecting really I was hoping it wouldn't go past 79 but I guess the enermax AIO is just a little short of a full water cooling rig.

Running Prim95 right now with 3.8 @1.25 and I am about 10 minutes in and I seem to be at a stable 71c temp as it hasn't moved in a while (ambient is about the same as for the 4Ghz test ~80F).

Edit: Hmm not sure what happened, but temps dropped to 64. Maybe core temp isn't working right?


Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2017 at 5:25am
Thanks, LurkerLito.  I need to do some testing, but Enermax claims 500 Watt capacity and you should not need anywhere near that.  If my water block was very curved, I would have RMAed it not attempted to lap it.  I suspect lapping will void the warranty.  Thanks and enjoy, John.


EDIT:  You might try a trial copy of AIDA64.



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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2017 at 5:43am
" rel="nofollow - could it be you had a air lock or bubble in the water at first which has now cleared ?


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Posted By: LurkerLito
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2017 at 6:38am
datonyb: I don't know how I could check for that with an AIO cooler so I can't really say. But I attributed my temp drop with the 4Ghz prime95 run to it throttling because it did hit 80 and and IIRC threadrippers generally start to throttle at around 80-85 range. But with the sudden drop at the 71c mark at 3.8 I just don't know why it would drop to the mid 60c range since it shouldn't be throttling.

MisterJ: I have Aida64 trial installed, I didn't want to put in my license data because I am just testing on a temp HDD that I am going to wipe soon as I feel things are good to go. Problem with Aida is I only see one temp for the CPU and not for each core. That's why I went with CoreTemp. It has a similar issue but if I load up the coretemp gadget it displays all 16 cores with load and temp values.


Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2017 at 8:11am
LurkerLito, I cannot find them in my licensed copy of AIDA64 either.  I will see if I can find out if they are available.  In past AMD processors core temps never worked correctly.  Enjoy, John.

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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2017 at 10:32am
Meh individual schmdividual.

It's just another thing NOT to worry over Wink



Next questions will be "What's wrong with my Core 3?" Tongue


Posted By: LurkerLito
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2017 at 11:00pm
Yeah nothing to be concerned about overall but it's a preference for the control freaks in people who want to see things like this stress test not stressing core X and Y as much. Wink


Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2017 at 2:00am
LurkerLito, I just did a Prime95 run with default settings.  Here is my maximum reading from AIDA64: https://postimages.org/" rel="nofollow">
Enjoy, John.


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Posted By: LurkerLito
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2017 at 2:52am
Nice temp at around a 3.7 clock.

Edit: Hmm. loaded up Aida64 and I am doing a 1080p HEVC encode to test it's speed and my reading says - CPU 40c and CPU Diode 86c That's at a 3.8Ghz clock @ 1.28v. In Coretemp each core is at 55-57 as the load adjusts over all the cores.

Edit 2: looks like it's a problem with the current release version of Aida64. The beta is giving me the right temps at the CPU diode.


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2017 at 11:22am
Originally posted by MisterJ MisterJ wrote:

LurkerLito, I just did a Prime95 run with default settings.


VelociRaptor?

What? It's not already warm enough inside the case, or what? Tongue


Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2017 at 12:50pm
Originally posted by MisterJ MisterJ wrote:

LurkerLito, I cannot find them in my licensed copy of AIDA64 either.  I will see if I can find out if they are available.  In past AMD processors core temps never worked correctly.  Enjoy, John.


I'll say... the first AMD processor I've had in a long time, an FX-9590, surprised me with its processor temperature readings. Not the actual values, but what was provided. It did not provide individual core temperatures.

I'll need to check Coretemp on my Ryzen system, but I am skeptical about the core temperature readings. If HWiNFO64 does not show them for Ryzen, then I doubt they are available. If they are available for Ryzen, then that is new for AMD processors which haven't had them for quite a while.



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Posted By: LurkerLito
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2017 at 9:47pm
It does seem to work with coretemp with the latest version (1.10.2). The thing is it isn't in the main interface if you let it go to the tray it will show all 16 mini icons there with the actual temp of each core but that is a terrible place for it. So if you use the gadget you can keep it on screen in an easier to see way. You may or may not need 8gadgetpack to enable gadgets in Win 10, MS IIRC disabled gadgets in win 7 for security reasons at one point, but I personally love having the gadgets up on the side of my screen so I use 8gadgetpack.

Though I will say the coretemp readings look good, but the readings lag behind from time to time when under full load. And another thing the power usage seems to not work so it's not completely working. Aida64 seems to work better as far as updating the info goes, but doesn't show all cores individually but it's voltage readings look correct and update properly (at least in the latest beta).

Not seeing all the core temps individually isn't that big a deal IMHO. Unlike my i7-3770k it seems that all of the cores in Threadripper seem to be linked and they rarely go out of sync from my observations the past two days. When I was doing test benchmarking with a 3d renderer only once or twice did I see a core or two have a 1c difference between the rest and it only lasted for a second. Even idle my i7-3770k has 4 different changing temps all the time.


Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2017 at 11:05pm
wardog, the VelociRaptor is a left over label from a previous system.  I bring my settings along from build to build.  It is actually a WD Black.  I have used many V-Raptors and do not think they are a heat problem at all.
LukerLito, I know AIDA64 is being updated often trying to support all the new boards and keep up the constantly changing BIOSs.  I try to stay current with the Betas.  When you see something funny, click on Report-Submit a report to FinalWire.
Enjoy, John.


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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2017 at 1:19am
velociraptors in raid hmmmmmmmm 
computer porn and such a bragging rights


and then they invented a ssd ....................

wierdly enough the mrs an i were just discussing how a mobile phone now comes with a sdcard 40 times the size of our old pc hard drive


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Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2017 at 11:49pm
New BIOS for ASRock FPG & Taichi X399 -- 1.70.
But since they only mention the new NVME Raid functionality I assume it will behave exactly the same as 1.60 & 1.61 in regard of memory support & compatibility (quad channel is still worse than x370 (my 16GBx4 sticks reach only 2933 and on x370 -- full speed 3200 CL14), and 8 channel is nearly non-functional populated with 16GB modules).


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AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2017 at 3:28am
SoniC, 1.70 has AGESA 1.0.0.3, so I assume your assumption is correct.  Enjoy, John.


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Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2017 at 4:53am
Originally posted by MisterJ MisterJ wrote:

SoniC, 1.70 has AGESA 1.0.0.3, so I assume your assumption is correct.  Enjoy, John.

Yeah I saw your posts about AGESA and mem compatibility.
Seems you have... some contacts.... 
Please keep us posted in case you will hear something new in this category ;-)


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AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2017 at 5:16am
Not really, SoniC.  I just used a hex editor to open the 1.70 BIOS and search for AGESA.  Enjoy, John.


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Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2017 at 5:26pm
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Originally posted by MisterJ MisterJ wrote:

Not really, SoniC.  I just used a hex editor to open the 1.70 BIOS and search for AGESA.  Enjoy, John.

Pity... anyway -- maybe if you have some spare time you could describe in like a few sentences where did you find the AGESA version number? 
I tried UEFITool but I couldn't find the AGESA section...
Thanks in advance John.


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Posted By: LurkerLito
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2017 at 11:54pm
Just use a hex editor and search for the string AGESA. You will find several instances and one of them right near it will have a version number you can't miss it. In 1.70's case it's the one located at offset:
0xe40624 in hexidecimal notation or 14943780 decimal so you can just use the go to command in the hex editor of your choice.


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Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2017 at 12:12am
SoniC, LurkerLito is doing the same as I am.  The BIOS and some utilities will display the AGESA as well.  I use AIDA64 which does.  The hex editor is the only way to see it in a new BIOS that I know.  Thanks, LurkerLito.   Enjoy, John.

EDIT: My X399 BIOS does not show the AGESA version.


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Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2017 at 2:23am
Originally posted by MisterJ MisterJ wrote:


EDIT: My X399 BIOS does not show the AGESA version.

Mine neither :)
That is why I've asked... now I know how (and for what) to look for :)


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AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: JUANNY
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 8:02am
Originally posted by MisterJ MisterJ wrote:

SoniC, 1.70 has AGESA 1.0.0.3, so I assume your assumption is correct.  Enjoy, John.

Im not totally sure but I remember reading something posted by the AMD senior technical guy saying that the TR AGESA 1.0.0.3 had all the mem compatibilty as the regular Ryzen AGESA 1.0.0.6


Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 8:14am
" rel="nofollow - JUANNY, we would love to see this.  I have an open ticket trying hard to determine if this is true.  We should hope it is not due to the really poor TR performance in the memory area.  Please see here:

http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6271&KW=agesa&PID=37551&title=amd-response-to-agesa-bios-query#37551

Enjoy, John.


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Posted By: JUANNY
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 8:54am
Originally posted by MisterJ MisterJ wrote:

" rel="nofollow - JUANNY, we would love to see this.  I have an open ticket trying hard to determine if this is true.  We should hope it is not due to the really poor TR performance in the memory area.  Please see here:

http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6271&KW=agesa&PID=37551&title=amd-response-to-agesa-bios-query#37551

Enjoy, John.

Ill try to backtrack the link for you but Im pretty sure it was accurate based on a reliable source. They used TR 1.0.0.3 which gets confused with the older regular and outdated Ryzen 1.0.0.3 It would have been idiotic if AMD had used an outdated memory compatibilty AGESA on their flagship Threadripper CPU. I ran into that info while researching memory compatibility cause Ill be spending big bucks on a 1950x + x399 Fatality Mobo + 128 gb 8 x 16gb (https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-CMK128GX4M8Z2933C16-Vengeance-PC4-23400-Threadripper/dp/B074PGSLX6 ) The ram alone is worth a ton.


Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 10:15am
Thanks, JUANNY.  You should read the several threads here about trying to get 128 GB working in TR.  One and maybe two users went to the dark side (Intel) after repeated failures.  Sure hope you can find your reference.  Thanks and enjoy, John.


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Posted By: JUANNY
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 10:50am
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Originally posted by MisterJ MisterJ wrote:

Thanks, JUANNY.  You should read the several threads here about trying to get 128 GB working in TR.  One and maybe two users went to the dark side (Intel) after repeated failures.  Sure hope you can find your reference.  Thanks and enjoy, John.

Yeah I read that thread with the problems when all dimm slots were populated with 8 x16 gb. The biggest diff was that the kit he used and heck almost all the kits out there were manufactured BEFORE Threadripper came out so imcompatibility was to be expected. The corsair 128 gb im considering has supposedly been tested and is compatible with threadripper. http://forum.corsair.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170272 that link shows the corsair kits compatible with Threadripper. Once I go all in and do my build Ill post and update the compatibilty of the 128 GB kit. It is rated for 2933 when all dimms are populated but im hoping it overclocks higher because AMDs infinity fabric runs at one half the memory hence higher memory cranks up the perfrormance alot especially in IPC boost.


Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 11:12am
Originally posted by JUANNY JUANNY wrote:

Originally posted by MisterJ MisterJ wrote:

" rel="nofollow - JUANNY, we would love to see this.  I have an open ticket trying hard to determine if this is true.  We should hope it is not due to the really poor TR performance in the memory area.  Please see here:

http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6271&KW=agesa&PID=37551&title=amd-response-to-agesa-bios-query#37551

Enjoy, John.

Ill try to backtrack the link for you but Im pretty sure it was accurate based on a reliable source. They used TR 1.0.0.3 which gets confused with the older regular and outdated Ryzen 1.0.0.3 It would have been idiotic if AMD had used an outdated memory compatibilty AGESA on their flagship Threadripper CPU. I ran into that info while researching memory compatibility cause Ill be spending big bucks on a 1950x + x399 Fatality Mobo + 128 gb 8 x 16gb (https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-CMK128GX4M8Z2933C16-Vengeance-PC4-23400-Threadripper/dp/B074PGSLX6 ) The ram alone is worth a ton.


Please be very careful about your memory choice for a Threadripper PC. Gven what we have seen so far with using 128GB of memory in X399 boards, don't expect it to be plug and play at the XMP over clocked speed. I'm not implying that this memory won't work, I truly do not know either way, just a general warning with this large of an investment.

I see that Corsair kit on Amazon and Newegg, among other retailers, but oddly a Corsair information page for that model number is not among the search results. It's on "sale" at Newegg as of 10/12/17 for $1375. Shocked

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820236242

Even if Threadripper and Ryzen have equivalent AGESA memory compatibility, after all that I've seen and been through dealing with Ryzen and memory compatibility in this forum, and my own X370/1700X PC, I personally would not feel safe or confident about a memory OC with 128GB.

My point is if you expect to just select the XMP profile in the UEFI/BIOS, and the 128GB of memory will POST perfectly the first time, then you may be disappointed. Manual adjustment of the SOC voltages will be necessary, as that is not done via the XMP profile, at least it never has been so far with Ryzen.

Your X399 board will most likely not have the latest UEFI version from the factory. If you want to use the latest version, you can just use the BIOS Flashback feature which can be done without a CPU in the board. But be sure to study the procedure first, it is simple but has specific steps.



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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:12pm
ive still only read of one tr sucess with 128gb

that was a gigabyte with dominator 2666 ram

as the general view here and a friendly warning

the ram alone at well over 1000 bucks is a very very expensive gamble

amd and the board makers need to pull there socks up and get very specific about what ram to go buy to use the 128gb max
( just for a business sense the first one that states here buy my board and use this ram kit will make a killing finacially )

instead at the moment they expect you to lay out around 2500-3000 bucks for a dream build and then get some 16yr old pimple faced kid to reply to tech support emails with some random sales bable


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Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 11:38pm
JUANNY, here is what I am waiting for (4x8 GB):

http://www.gskill.com/en/press/view/g-skill-announces-new-ddr4-specifications-for-amd-ryzen%E2%84%A2-threadripper%E2%84%A2-processors" rel="nofollow - http://www.gskill.com/en/press/view/g-skill-announces-new-ddr4-specifications-for-amd-ryzen%E2%84%A2-threadripper%E2%84%A2-processors

I do not expect to see these kits at retailers until AMD/board vendors release AGESA/BIOS capability of successfully running them.  This raises the question of how did the memory vendor test these kits before announcement.  I, obviously, do not know but I suspect they had/have access to Beta AGESA/BIOS under a NDA. 
Enjoy, John.


EDIT: From the latest response to my AMD ticket:
Quote Regarding AGESA versions, there is not a shared code base between the AM4 platform and the SocketTR4 platform, i.e. Threadripper AGESA is not the same as Ryzen AGESA.
See here:

http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6271&PN=2&title=amd-response-to-agesa-bios-query


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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 12:30am
john recent testing has shown (at least on ryzen)
for 3200 cl14 to be performing better than 3600 cl16

esp. at those secondary timings shown 14/14/14/34 vs 16/18/18/38

just a heads up not to waste too much money on the 3600 kits when they come out (im sure the wholesellers and retails will put quite a mark up on those kits


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Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 2:34am
Thanks, datonyb, will consider.  Looks like I need to wait for either.  Enjoy, John.


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