Taichi X370/1700X/Flare X 3200-14!!
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Topic: Taichi X370/1700X/Flare X 3200-14!!
Posted By: Ken429
Subject: Taichi X370/1700X/Flare X 3200-14!!
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2017 at 12:40am
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" rel="nofollow - Parsec, I never no when to leave well enough alone. My Taichi X370/1700X/BIOS v3.20 system was running without any issues for months with the EVGA 3000-15 memory. The system would setup at 2933-16 and would run overclocked at 3900 all day and night! I went and bought the wonderful G.Skill Flare X 3200-14 memory thinking I could get a little more out of the system. Unfortunately, nothing seems to work correctly. As long as I leave all the system settings at UEFI defaults the system boots (10 Seconds to post screen) and runs ok. But as soon a I turn on Profile 1 the system goes nuts and after 3 reboot cycles and ~60 seconds it usually turns the memory settings back to 2400-16. Before I take the G.Skill memory back out and put the EVGA back in and call it a $180 mistake is there something I'm missing? I've tried clearing CMOS and starting over several times but always end up with at the same place - 60 seconds of the BIOS screwing around and then going into windows with the default memory settings. If I don't do a cold boot it will use the 3200-14 memory settings but goes nuts on the next cold boot. Any ideas on what I have screwed up to make this thing refuse to use the G.Skill memory at the XMP Profile 1 settings would be appreciated!! ------------- X470 Taichi, 3800X (BIOS Defaults), BIOS v3.60, Sandisk Extreme Pro 240GB, 2 crucial MX500 1TB, G.Skill 2X 2X8 3200-14, EVGA 1660Ti SC, EVGA 750 G3, W10 1903 |
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Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2017 at 12:53am
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Ken429, we need more detail on your specifications - memory model and power supply and OS version. I just added F4-3200C14D-16GFX to my R7 1800X and ran XMP 2.0 with no problems. That system has a 750 W PS (not the system in my signature). datonyb should post soon with help for your memory - I suspect it will be fine and not a $180 mistake (sounds cheap, if the same as mine). Enjoy, John. ------------- Fat1 X399 Pro Gaming, TR 1950X, RAID0 3xSamsung SSD 960 EVO, G.SKILL FlareX F4-3200C14Q-32GFX, Win 10 x64 Pro, Enermx Platimax 850, Enermx Liqtech TR4 CPU Cooler, Radeon RX580, BIOS 2.00, 2xHDDs WD |
Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2017 at 1:01am
calm down dear  right easy things first make sure am4 advanced training is set to auto and secondly did you reset the cmos before installing the ram ? ------------- [url=https://valid.x86.fr/jpg250]  [/url]3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold |
Posted By: Ken429
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2017 at 1:45am
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I've tried Advanced Training set to Auto although it did not seem to make any difference Auto or Disable with the EVGA memory. Yes I've cleared CMOS several times since installing the new memory. The system uses a Seasonic Platinum SS760 XP power supply and the memory I'm having trouble with is G.Skill F4-3200C14D-16GFX. I have run memtest for several hours with the BIOS set to XMP Profile 1 with no errors. The Video card is an old MSI GTX 560 TI. Running the latest version of Windows with all the current updates. Although all the bad things go on before it ever boots up Windows. ------------- X470 Taichi, 3800X (BIOS Defaults), BIOS v3.60, Sandisk Extreme Pro 240GB, 2 crucial MX500 1TB, G.Skill 2X 2X8 3200-14, EVGA 1660Ti SC, EVGA 750 G3, W10 1903 |
Posted By: Ken429
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2017 at 3:19am
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I hate to admit it but I must have Disabled Advance Training one to many times. I went back and cleared CMOS, loaded UEFI Defaults, switched to Profile 1 and made the Pstate changes to get to the 3900 OC. All is well! The only minor issue is the "Cold Boot to the first BIOS Post screen" went from ~10 to ~20 seconds as soon as I set the Memory to Profile 1. That same thing happened with the EVGA memory but for some reason went back to ~10 seconds when I used Pstates to OC. Not so lucky this time. But then who know this thing might have a change of heart in a few days. Anyway thanks all for making me go back and start over with the Advance Training "locked" on Auto. This thing sure is touchy when playing with memory. ------------- X470 Taichi, 3800X (BIOS Defaults), BIOS v3.60, Sandisk Extreme Pro 240GB, 2 crucial MX500 1TB, G.Skill 2X 2X8 3200-14, EVGA 1660Ti SC, EVGA 750 G3, W10 1903 |
Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2017 at 5:01am
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np mate i just know as when i set my timings down low i NEED amd advanced boot teraining set to auto/on ------------- [url=https://valid.x86.fr/jpg250] [/url]3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold |
Posted By: Ken429
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2017 at 6:14am
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" rel="nofollow - Can some one explain how all the synthetic tests indicate the faster memory turns in slightly better scores and yet when I run Handbrake and convert my favorite Blu-ray test case to an MP4 file the conversion takes ~2 minutes longer with the faster memory? I have run it several times and each time the conversion takes ~2 minutes or ~3% longer with the faster memory!? ------------- X470 Taichi, 3800X (BIOS Defaults), BIOS v3.60, Sandisk Extreme Pro 240GB, 2 crucial MX500 1TB, G.Skill 2X 2X8 3200-14, EVGA 1660Ti SC, EVGA 750 G3, W10 1903 |
Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2017 at 6:22am
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" rel="nofollow - background programs runnng which wasnt before ? ------------- [url=https://valid.x86.fr/jpg250] [/url]3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold |
Posted By: parsec
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2017 at 11:50am
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Not that I am telling you to do the following, but I never use AM4 Advance Boot Training on my different ASRock X370 board. I set it to disabled, which shortens the startup time by quite a bit. I use FlareX memory as you seem to know, but I don't use the XMP profile, it won't allow the memory to run at 3200. I use timings derived from a program written by a Ryzen user called Ryzen DRAM Timing Calculator. Which means I set ALL of the advanced memory timings manually. If your memory is working fine with the XMP profile, just use that with Boot Training enabled (Auto.) Why does the seemingly faster memory take longer in a file conversion? Many possible reasons for that, one of them posted above. So you ran synthetic tests on the 3000 and 3200 memory, which showed the 3200 to be somewhat faster? We accept benchmark test results as being perfect and correct and real, but when we see real world differences like this, who knows what is correct? Who verifies the benchmark results? Better timing settings on the 3000 memory than the 3200 memory could result in better performance for the 3000 memory. For example, if the 3000 memory could work at that speed with a Command Rate of 1T, but the 3200 needs 2T to be stable, that can be a big difference in performance. The test would only be valid if your CPU OC and CPU and Windows performance and power saving options are identical. Also the drive(s) being used for the IO must be identical, and any difference in that or the load on the drives at the time of the test could easily account for a 3% difference. But since you ran the test several times, that would not seen to be the situation. If you read any memory reviews, you'll find that high memory over clocks do not always provide real world performance improvements. I've seen tests where the stock/default memory speed provided better performance than the over clocked speed. Also, how long have you used the 1709 build of Windows 10? Did you use that with the 3000 memory? DRAM memory can be weird, what should be better in performance with speed and improved timings does not turn out that way. ------------- http://valid.x86.fr/48rujh" rel="nofollow"> 
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Ken429 wrote:Posted By: Ken429
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2017 at 6:27pm
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" rel="nofollow - Parsec, You're the guy that set me off on the path to Disabling Advanced Training. It worked great on the EVGA 3000-15 memory. Although the BIOS always reverted to 2933-16 timings. The Flare X 3200-14 with Advanced Training set to Auto lets the memory work as advertised. You saw my horror story when its set to Disabled! So...to get my ~10 seconds back on boot times do I turn off XMP and go into the Advanced section of the BIOS Dram Timing Configuration and manually enter the values that would have been set up with Profile 1? Or just live with the Advanced Training ~10 seconds of whatever the heck ever it's doing. I think you're right, the only thing that changed in my "test Conversion" other than the memory is that I let Microsoft update the system to version 1709. I suppose I could put the old memory back in the system to prove the point but it's probably not worth the trouble. The 1700X is still hugely faster that the 4790K systems when running Handbrake. ------------- X470 Taichi, 3800X (BIOS Defaults), BIOS v3.60, Sandisk Extreme Pro 240GB, 2 crucial MX500 1TB, G.Skill 2X 2X8 3200-14, EVGA 1660Ti SC, EVGA 750 G3, W10 1903 |
Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2017 at 6:53pm
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a point to note recently i let my system grab the fcu 1709 and then proceeded to go thru the steps to turn OFF all the bloatware (really nice way of saying spyware) that comes to ermmmmm 'help' windows see everything about us to 'make our lives easier' there are a few you tubes vids that walk you through options to turn off and what they do, and if you really need them as parsec mentioned above there is another option availble it does involve some more mucking around circa 20-30 mins if your not used to it and that is '1usmus' designed ryzen calculator this guy wrote a program based on taking the timings set by the ram xmp and working out the quaility of your chips and then providing tables more tuned to amd ryzen than to intels cpu/bios its been hugely successful (although its not a sure fire way to remove the need for amd advanced boot training) i actually use it myself with my ram to lower the timings, my best result was this weekend helping a mate reset his corsair ram at same speed but with ryzen tuned timings to get a 40+ fps increase in his game (i suspect a very bad choice was made by his bios for original xmp settings caused the problem) heres the link for you if you want to have a look, (remember though if your stable now to save a bios profile to able you to quickly revert back if needed) http://www.overclock.net/t/1640919/ryzen-dram-calculator-overclocking-dram I CANT STRESS ENOUGH please make sure you follow ALL the settings and options provided, these ram settings are designed to all work with each other, cherry picking just the cl14/14/14/14/28/42 and then ignoring other timings/settings and volt option etc may not work very smoothly ask my lazy ass how i know this  and also note the cad_bus settings there are two sections so make sure your adjusting the exact wierdly named options suggested in the calculator best way is to run the program then print off the results to refer to when in bios i suggest using 3200 fast options for timings for your ram or plan B save your time and stress levels and stick with what you have working now ,theres a lot of logic to that ------------- [url=https://valid.x86.fr/jpg250] [/url]3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold |
Posted By: Ken429
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2017 at 6:16pm
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" rel="nofollow - Wow! I downloaded Thaiphoon and the Ryzen DRAM Calculator programs. Since I am lazy and prone to screwing up details (and the BIOS is unforgiving) is there anybody out there that is willing to share the settings generated by the Calculator program for my configuration. Or...is all Flare X 3200-14 (F4-3200C14D-16GFX)/Taichi X370/1700X not the same and require custom Advanced Timing settings? ------------- X470 Taichi, 3800X (BIOS Defaults), BIOS v3.60, Sandisk Extreme Pro 240GB, 2 crucial MX500 1TB, G.Skill 2X 2X8 3200-14, EVGA 1660Ti SC, EVGA 750 G3, W10 1903 |
Posted By: Soccah123
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2017 at 12:29am
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" rel="nofollow - Hi Ken, I was thinking of buying taichi with same gskill flareX ram, but after seeing a buildzoid review on youtube, essentially saying taichi is not worth it -- too many uefi issues -- im second guessing myself. Problem is every single AM4 board is having problems, each with their own advantages/disadvantages. I'm just an average user, looking to get 3200 CAS 14 speeds on DRAM and 3.8/3.9 on CPU. So not asking for a lot. Though Asus, MSI, Geforce are all better than Asrock currently in terms of CPU and RAM stability, they suffer from more "permanent" or hardware issues. Asus boards have issues with fan controllers/speeds, whereas Gigabyte boards have crackling audio. Gotta pick some poison as they say. At least the Taichi is a UEFI issue that can presumably be fixed. But have to ask ourselves -- is it worth it? Maybe trade in for an Asus or Gigabyte board? They've had plenty of time to fix these issues, but since profit drives their interest over consumer satisfaction (as is the case for all board manufacturers), they don't. Instead, they have to keep putting out new boards for the latest chipsets and try to ensure that they will at least work, so intel/amd can actually sell their new skews. Whole thing is sh*t show -- competition between AMD and Intel has changed the market, which is nice, but as a result, consumer stability suffers as mobo manufacturers find themselves understaffed to essentially handle the industry wide changes that come with AMD's reintry into an otherwise monopolized field of production. It'll prob be by the middle of next year before the AM4 boards are actually stable and functioning, and can handle the hardware, as it is advertised, without endless tinkering in the UEFI. But I wish you the best of luck, and myself too -- I'll prob end up going Taichi and FlareX, and put in the work and frustration to get the products working as advertised, just cause the only alternatives are crackling audio on everything I do, or overbearing case sound from uncontrolled fan curves. But know this -- the consumer always suffer, even when it seems like he gains. |
Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2017 at 2:27am
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BUILDZIOD ??? jesus i cant even bear to listen to his ramblings ,not too mention his entire video about power phases and volts that was totally wrong the only possible issue with the taichi and its bios now is if you happen to buy a cpu that suffers from the multibug, and then you have to manually do a work around in bios to overclock it wow wee........ really ? watching videos where a guy is trying to speak with less ability to maintain a sentance than a crack addict isnt my idea of fun theres plenty of sensible balanced and more calm videos to watch on the taichi from yestechcity and https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPCRzey5fS3cuIauRXZoTiQ" rel="nofollow - Brian Mclachlan (guiness world record holder and amd assistant/insider) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8deNlA1Aznc&feature=youtu.be (the multibug workaround) ive had the taichi since release (i was one of the first in u.k. to get the board) its been very easy going and simple everything just plugged and played like a old trusted platform it really annoyed me buildziod ranting on like he was ceo of asrock just because at early bios he had to reset a voltage when whacking about with un-needed adjustments for bckclk a whole video repeating the same old moaning and it wasnt even relevent taichi overclocking click click type type type click click done ! add to fact its written in english not double dutch like gigabyte and msi like to name something really stupid names eg llc is called llc not some weird and abstract name like core stabilsation or something real dumb dram settings = all in one sub tab msi dram open tab after tab after tab to find 4 parts of settings then find another tab with another 4 parts you forgot to mention the two posted dead crooshair heros today on overclockers forum with there new beta 1070 agesa bios (that wont recover even with there flashback bios tool) surprise thats nothing new is it asus top end boards frying after trying to update bios jeeeeeessssss okay rant over now  ------------- [url=https://valid.x86.fr/jpg250] [/url]3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold |
Posted By: Ken429
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2017 at 10:48pm
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" rel="nofollow - Parsec, datonyb, Back to my original issue. Attached is a screen shot of what the Ryzen Calculator came up with based on my entries. Does this look like I'm close to what I need to enter in the Advance DRAM Timing section of the BIOS so I can turn off XMP? https://imgur.com/a/s6cxp ------------- X470 Taichi, 3800X (BIOS Defaults), BIOS v3.60, Sandisk Extreme Pro 240GB, 2 crucial MX500 1TB, G.Skill 2X 2X8 3200-14, EVGA 1660Ti SC, EVGA 750 G3, W10 1903 |
Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2017 at 3:19am
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you dont need to turn off xmp you just adjust it (well i did anyway) the screenshot of your is very almost what im running presently except i have trrdl 8 and rtt nom disabled (mine was worked out on v5 calculator) it has been rock solid now for about 5 days and seems smoother than my previous 3333 cl 14 (felt a bit laggy on mouse) ------------- [url=https://valid.x86.fr/jpg250] [/url]3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold |
Posted By: Ken429
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2017 at 9:25pm
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" rel="nofollow - I'm sure I'm making this more difficult that it should be but...a few more questions. The Taichi BIOS has two places to adjust DRAM timings, one under the OC Tweaker Tab and another under the Advanced TAB AMD CBS/AMD SBS. The one under the Advance Tab only shows details when Overclock is set to Enabled. When you turn on XMP the Overclock setting is automatically set to Enabled. Most of the settings are the same in both places except a lowercase "t" is used under the OC Tweaker DRAM Timing Configuration and in the Advanced AMD SBS DRAM Timing Configuration an Upper Case "T" is used. The output of the Ryzen DRAM Calculator program uses a lower case "t" to refer to the recommended detailed DRAM timing changes. Where do I go to put in the recommended settings - OC Tweaker Tab or Advance Tab? To get back my 10 seconds of boot time should I turn off XMP and AM4 Advanced Training? Or does the timing overrides turn off the need for the BIOS to spend 10 seconds trying to figure out what settings to use? ------------- X470 Taichi, 3800X (BIOS Defaults), BIOS v3.60, Sandisk Extreme Pro 240GB, 2 crucial MX500 1TB, G.Skill 2X 2X8 3200-14, EVGA 1660Ti SC, EVGA 750 G3, W10 1903 |
Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2017 at 11:18pm
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yes the TWO different places are a tad confusing at first but the one to use is the first main page oc tweaker here when expanded you find nearly everything you need to set.and i mean nearly all these can be set directly as the calculator lays out (the more hidden section in amd sbs has a mix of hex codes and normal timings so its very difficult to do it there) xmp can be left on (this to be fair should have set most to close to ideal anyway) now as for your ten seconds boot time and amd training, i suggest leaving it on at least at first to find out two things first does the system always start with desired settings, and secondly the tricky 'cold boot' issue, we often find settings can run flawlessly under windows for hours on test and be perfectly stable ,only to shut down the system overnight come back the next day and it refuse to cold boot and then totally reset the entire bios to safe mode/default this is very annoying so i advise after entering ALL settings from the calculator to at least save it as a bios profile the other tip is the settings for termination block (procodt/rtt nom/rtt wr/rtt park) and the settings for cad bus block (clkdrv/addcmr etc etc ) can be trickier to find in taichi bios ,so have a hunt around for them also to note amd bios versions have started limiting the cldo-vddp voltage to values above 700 depending on your bios you may not be able to enter a suggested value of say 425 (which mine is at present on bios 3.1) it may sound complicated ,but it really isnt just print off anything you may need to refer too or even take a picture on your smartphone and get stuck into the bios ,and OWN THAT MACHINE !  ------------- [url=https://valid.x86.fr/jpg250] [/url]3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold |
Posted By: Ken429
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2017 at 6:21am
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" rel="nofollow - Ok, I entered all the settings I could find in the BIOS from the DRAM Calculator. The only ones that I had issue with were "BGS Disable" and "BGS alt Disable". I could not find anything in the BIOS that looked like BGS?! I entered 24 for (Rec.1) for the CAD_Bus stuff and the system did not like it so I entered 30 (Rec. 2). The system then booted normally. Other than that the system booted OK and appears to run normally, I'll exercise it for a few days and see if anything bad happens. At least according to AIDA64 the memory is running a little faster with the new settings in the Read, Write and Copy tests. The Latency also improved from 72.9 to 68.8. After I'm confident that the system is stable I'll run my "Handbrake Benchmark" and see if there is any real world improvement. Also, I'll venture into turning off XMP and/or AM4 Advanced Boot Training looking to get the 10 seconds back in the cold boot to the first BIOS post screen. Thanks for the all help so far, there seems to be a light at the end of the tunnel for the Flare X 3200-4 memory. ------------- X470 Taichi, 3800X (BIOS Defaults), BIOS v3.60, Sandisk Extreme Pro 240GB, 2 crucial MX500 1TB, G.Skill 2X 2X8 3200-14, EVGA 1660Ti SC, EVGA 750 G3, W10 1903 |
Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2017 at 9:38pm
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ok bank group swap and bankgroupswap alt should be around the advanced page under zen common options or dram options area (these also help with latency) and in some cases instability on my taichi the 4 cad bus were all in same sub menu bios version 3.1 i did warn you they were a little tricky to find p.s. the flarex 3200 is really a very good ram ,its just early days here still more seasoned (read that as insanely patient tweakers) have got it to 3433mhz in most cases at cica cl14 timings, some are even reporting stable 3600 now ------------- [url=https://valid.x86.fr/jpg250] [/url]3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold |
Posted By: Ken429
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2017 at 12:43am
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" rel="nofollow - Make it easy for the next guy: Advanced\AMD CBS\UMC Common Options\DRAM Memory Mapping Took awhile but your right it's there. While stumbling through the Advance Stuff I noticed that the settings for the CAD_BUS were not carried forward from the OC Tweaker entries. Seems like all the other stuff entered in the OC Tweaker shows up somewhere under the Advance Tab. Problem or just a BIOS bug? PS: Ran AIDA64 Memory Benchmark and all the results - Read, Write, Copy and Latency - got worse after Disabling the BGS settings?! ------------- X470 Taichi, 3800X (BIOS Defaults), BIOS v3.60, Sandisk Extreme Pro 240GB, 2 crucial MX500 1TB, G.Skill 2X 2X8 3200-14, EVGA 1660Ti SC, EVGA 750 G3, W10 1903 |
Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2017 at 2:47am
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" rel="nofollow - did you have alt on ? ------------- [url=https://valid.x86.fr/jpg250] [/url]3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold |
Posted By: Ken429
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2017 at 3:19am
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If you mean did I set the BankGroupSwap and the BankGroupSwapAlt to Disabled the answer is Yes. ------------- X470 Taichi, 3800X (BIOS Defaults), BIOS v3.60, Sandisk Extreme Pro 240GB, 2 crucial MX500 1TB, G.Skill 2X 2X8 3200-14, EVGA 1660Ti SC, EVGA 750 G3, W10 1903 |
Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2017 at 3:45am
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the bank group swap alt = on seems to help lower latency but its best to check stability first then try to tweak things if your inclined ------------- [url=https://valid.x86.fr/jpg250] [/url]3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold |
Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2017 at 3:59am
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and tonight 1usmus the calculator author has released a new version which makes some changes to the tables you get back out might be worth a look ------------- [url=https://valid.x86.fr/jpg250] [/url]3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold |
Posted By: Ken429
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2017 at 5:55pm
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Thanks for the information, I added the site to my Favorites. The only things that changed for the Fast Presets from V6 to V7 was tWTRS went from 3 to 4, GBS alt went for Disable to Enable and the CAD_BUS block Rec. 2 (30) was moved to Rec. 1. But then I already made the BGS alt change based on your post a few days ago and the V6 setting of 24 (Rec. 1) caused my system to hiccup and boot with the defaults so I had to change to Rec.2! Looks like I'm was not the only one that experienced that issue. ------------- X470 Taichi, 3800X (BIOS Defaults), BIOS v3.60, Sandisk Extreme Pro 240GB, 2 crucial MX500 1TB, G.Skill 2X 2X8 3200-14, EVGA 1660Ti SC, EVGA 750 G3, W10 1903 |
Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2017 at 7:07pm
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well lets hope your rock solid stable now ken to be fair ive found the calculator to be a godsend in assisting the final tweaking to am4 ram it would appear as have so many others esp. with some of these lower end ram kits i tweaked my bios settings last night to the newer v7 settings same thing here twtrs moved up to 4 ,altered the cad bus to 30 (although 24 was stable for me), and rtt nom changed for mine regarding your findings with BGS it seems general info on net was bgs =on , better results in aida bgs = off, better frames in games your next test will be to see if it cold boots then , i found mine was troublesome cold booting with geardown mode set to off i might try it again with the am4 boot training set to off to see if i can cut down the boot time ,but its not a real issue as i flick the switch on pc when i enter the office/mancave and get settled while its booting so no real delay in my life ------------- [url=https://valid.x86.fr/jpg250] [/url]3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold |
Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2017 at 7:31pm
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" rel="nofollow - one other thing i meant to mention in the oc tweaker page ,and then under the dram timings sub menu ,right at the bottom is dram powerdown enable (or something similar) i turned this off from what i can gather its sort of a snooze mode for system idle and ram down volting my view ? let the dam ram stay awake ! so i disabled the powerdown mode for ram ,seems a few others also do this ------------- [url=https://valid.x86.fr/jpg250] [/url]3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold |
Posted By: Ken429
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2017 at 10:37pm
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" rel="nofollow - I guess I'm stuck with the AM4 Advanced Boot Training. As soon a I turn it off the system does the hiccup routine when rebooting and resorts to the default settings. Curious to know if you have the same issue? I did not have this problem with the EVGA 3000-15 DRAM. I'll try Disabling the "Power Down Enable" setting and see if anything bad happens. ------------- X470 Taichi, 3800X (BIOS Defaults), BIOS v3.60, Sandisk Extreme Pro 240GB, 2 crucial MX500 1TB, G.Skill 2X 2X8 3200-14, EVGA 1660Ti SC, EVGA 750 G3, W10 1903 |
Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2017 at 12:17am
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at stock xmp with my 3200 cl15 tridents i didnt need am4 training (bios set cl16 defaults) when i wanted cl14 i needed am4 boot training its basically just the difference if your timings are so relaxed or on the edge ------------- [url=https://valid.x86.fr/jpg250] [/url]3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold |
Posted By: alexandrebr
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2017 at 9:36am
I've been using these timings: In my case system starts and it seems training happens once (fans @full speed> several codes> fans @full speed again). Only after that I have the boot screen. Boot training is on, obviously. I've tried to set it to off but I had a random BSOD. Interesting to point out that I was using a GB AB350 Gaming 3 and no issues took place after setting timings/RAM voltage manually.
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Posted By: Ken429
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2017 at 4:53pm
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" rel="nofollow - Now I'm getting greedy. I used the Ryzen Ram Calculator settings for 3333 and the system seems stable. The only question I have is how much voltage can the Flare X memory handle? Based on the Calculator recommendation I have the DRAM voltage set to 1.385V. When I run a stress test of memory using AIDA64 it says the memory voltage is 1.408V. I have the both LLC's set to Level 2. ------------- X470 Taichi, 3800X (BIOS Defaults), BIOS v3.60, Sandisk Extreme Pro 240GB, 2 crucial MX500 1TB, G.Skill 2X 2X8 3200-14, EVGA 1660Ti SC, EVGA 750 G3, W10 1903 |
Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2017 at 1:51am
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your not greedy its what the flarex and its highly binned chips are about voltage wise under 1.45 is fine theres quite a few links back to samsung database showing such im a tad busy to scroll thru and find them ,but im sure there linked on the dram overclockers thread or maybe the rog ch6 overclockers thread ------------- [url=https://valid.x86.fr/jpg250] [/url]3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold |