Fatal1ty X370 gaming x
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Topic: Fatal1ty X370 gaming x
Posted By: Luupz
Subject: Fatal1ty X370 gaming x
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2017 at 10:12pm
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" rel="nofollow - Hi guys I bought this motherboard not long time ago and first of all i would like to highlight that the cpu temperature in the bios is totally wrong ...higher than normal, i hope ASrock can fix this with next update. Moreover with the next update i hope that there are more option for overclocking the cpu ..considering that actually there is almost nothing, i've never seen so few settings in a bios. That's said iwas wondering if there is any other owner that would like to share its OC settings. I own a ryzen 1600 with stock cooler and i cant reach more than 3700. Testing the system with OCCT ans setting the cpu frequency from 3750 to 3900 i get temperatures higher than 75° (78 at 3800 ...85 at 3900 , and it is winter here) thanx |
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Posted By: PetrolHead
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2017 at 10:18pm
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The CPU temperature reading is not wrong. The CPU is not idling in the BIOS, that's why the CPU temperature reading is higher than you'd expect when idling. Why the BIOS stresses the CPU I don't know, but this has been the case even AM3+ motherboards and possibly even before that. Different OC settings will probably not help you. I'm hitting 75C in prime95 with my Ryzen 5 1500X @ 3.7GHz and 1.25 Vcore. The 1500X comes with the same stock cooler as the 1600. ------------- Ryzen 5 1500X, ASRock AB350M Pro4, 2x8 GB G.Skill Trident Z 3466CL16, Sapphire Pulse RX Vega56 8G HBM2, Corsair RM550x, Samsung 960 EVO SSD (NVMe) 250GB, Samsung 850 EVO SSD 500 GB, Windows 10 64-bit |
Posted By: Luupz
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2017 at 10:24pm
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thanx for answering. So also other brands have this temperature issue in the bios or it is only an ASrock issue? About cpu temp ..do you think that 78.3° max temp (3800ghz and 1.275v) with OCCT in winter is too much for a daily use? |
PetrolHead wrote:Posted By: zlobster
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2017 at 10:36pm
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78C is well within the temp limits of Ryzen, but it's still much for my taste. ------------- 1700X ZP-B1 (stock); X370 Taichi (UEFI 3.10); 16GB F4-3200C14-8GFX XMP; 256GB 960 EVO; RX 580 NITRO+ 8GB |
Posted By: Luupz
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2017 at 10:38pm
sadly i agree considering that here (Europe) it is winter and cold |
Posted By: Luupz
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2017 at 10:42pm
sadly i agree considering it is cold and i'm not in summer |
Posted By: kerberos_20
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2017 at 10:52pm
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i have it watercooled and idk if those bios temps are legit but i have X version and bios reports ~55 and real temp is ~35 so all ok based on amd logic tho u may wanna check voltages if u dont use p-states, as this board does some weird funky 1.4+volts under auto overclock |
Posted By: Luupz
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2017 at 10:59pm
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What do you mean about " p-states" ? i've not seen any option like that in the bios ...and i dont use auto overclock but manual (btw auto overclock leaves the cpu at 3200) i was considering Cooler Master Masterliquid 240 ..93euro, i dont know if the price is worth the jump in terms of performance from 3700ghz to 3900 (i think i could reach that with good temp ..i hope so) |
Posted By: kerberos_20
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2017 at 11:16pm
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well since some agesa revision...anything u do with ram/cpu settings, u should do it in amd cbs (advanced tab) as those settings gets applied first, no matter what u set elsewhere (some things in bios does change cbs stuffs, but only few...most of options u set outside of cbs gets ignored)  |
Posted By: zlobster
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2017 at 11:30pm
My X370 Taichi does this. With all CPU-related stuff left on auto, I get Vcore spikes (guys here claim normal) and bad idle temps both in UEFI and Win 10. ------------- 1700X ZP-B1 (stock); X370 Taichi (UEFI 3.10); 16GB F4-3200C14-8GFX XMP; 256GB 960 EVO; RX 580 NITRO+ 8GB |
Posted By: kerberos_20
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2017 at 11:35pm
dunno if its normal, but running 4.1ghz on all cores requires much less voltage than what bios puts on its own with cpb enabled |
Posted By: PetrolHead
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2017 at 11:52pm
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Not sure, but my understanding is that it's not uncommon. I had my ASRock 970M Pro3 do the same thing (my Phenom II was at roughly 40C in BIOS even though in idle it was only slightly above ambient) and was told that it's nothing to worry about. Either the BIOS stresses the CPU on purpose, or uses a temperature offset for the CPU on purpose so that even if you had installed the cooler poorly, the CPU should always stay stable in the BIOS.
The question is what is the max temperature your CPU gets to in daily use? It's probably well below what your CPU hits in OCCT, so it should be fine. Personally I would like the CPU to stay below 75C under stress testing, even though that figure is supposedly safe, but it seems like that's not going to happen with the standard cooler if I want to push this 1500X beyond 3700 MHz. It's surprising that the 1600 is running even as cool as it is, maybe I need to reseat my CPU cooler... ------------- Ryzen 5 1500X, ASRock AB350M Pro4, 2x8 GB G.Skill Trident Z 3466CL16, Sapphire Pulse RX Vega56 8G HBM2, Corsair RM550x, Samsung 960 EVO SSD (NVMe) 250GB, Samsung 850 EVO SSD 500 GB, Windows 10 64-bit |
Posted By: PetrolHead
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2017 at 12:00am
My AB350M Pro4 did this too. Vcore was all over the place and the frequencies were odd as well. The 1500X is supposed to be 3.5GHz/3.7GHz at stock and I was seeing 3.6GHz/3.8GHz, voltage spikes well beyond 1.4 V and power consumption of slightly over 70W in Prime95 (according to HWMonitor). Now that I've set a manual overclock to 3.7GHz @ 1.25V, HWMonitor shows Vcore staying just below 1.3V, clock speeds are where they're supposed to be and power consumption in Prime95 seemed to drop by a watt or two. I guess it's normal, but it also feels like the quality of the auto settings are subpar. I mean, surely after all these years, controlling Vcore is no longer a mystical art for motherboard makers. ------------- Ryzen 5 1500X, ASRock AB350M Pro4, 2x8 GB G.Skill Trident Z 3466CL16, Sapphire Pulse RX Vega56 8G HBM2, Corsair RM550x, Samsung 960 EVO SSD (NVMe) 250GB, Samsung 850 EVO SSD 500 GB, Windows 10 64-bit |
Posted By: zlobster
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2017 at 12:12am
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I guess it's mostly due to AMD's push to launch Ryzen as early as possible. I truly hope platform will mature (AGESA, UEFI, Win, etc.), hopefully sooner than later. Heck, HP are still pushing errata updates for my old AMD Llano laptops... Another crazy thing - if you look here https://www.asrock.com/support/index.asp?cat=BIOS, you'd see all Intel mobos getting much love from ASRock now, while AMD ones get none. Maybe Intel pays ASRock to stall AMD updates? Given Intel's previous practices it wouldn't surprise be a bit. Or maybe ASRock FW team are now busy with Intel's cr@p? IDK honestly. At this stage all I'm left with is waiting and ranting here and there... Christmas is coming! Stay positive! Maybe there will be a miracle? ------------- 1700X ZP-B1 (stock); X370 Taichi (UEFI 3.10); 16GB F4-3200C14-8GFX XMP; 256GB 960 EVO; RX 580 NITRO+ 8GB |
Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2017 at 2:23am
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there should not be *should not* be trouble keeping the ryzen cool at that speed and volts i get nowhere near that even at 3.9 ghz and 1.325 v two front 120mm fans and two rear 120mm fans (both set to low speed) and the noctura am4 heatsink fan circa £50/$50/50E in fact my heatsinkl and fan never activate to boost speed over 1000 rpm this is even the case when i stress test the system with multiple benchmarks and stress tests at same time ------------- [url=https://valid.x86.fr/jpg250]  [/url]3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold |
Posted By: PetrolHead
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2017 at 2:30am
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Have you tried running that setup with the stock cooler? ------------- Ryzen 5 1500X, ASRock AB350M Pro4, 2x8 GB G.Skill Trident Z 3466CL16, Sapphire Pulse RX Vega56 8G HBM2, Corsair RM550x, Samsung 960 EVO SSD (NVMe) 250GB, Samsung 850 EVO SSD 500 GB, Windows 10 64-bit |
Posted By: Luupz
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2017 at 3:57am
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" rel="nofollow - where is LLC2 setting in gaming x bios? |
Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2017 at 5:08am
nope just two other r5 1600's in msi tomahawks at 3.8 ghz, hence the first part of reply saying not be trouble at that speed and volts the stock 1600 cooler is getting quite famous for being a dam good freebee ------------- [url=https://valid.x86.fr/jpg250] [/url]3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold |
Posted By: chainsaw
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2017 at 5:40am
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Gaming X does not have LLC. ------------- ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4 P3.40 AMD RYZEN 7 1700 @ 4Ghz 1.39v Noctua NH-D15 "blocks top 1x pci-e" 16GB GSkill Ripjaw V F4-3200C16D-16GVRB @ 2933 14-15-15-15 T1 1.365v GTX 1080 x2 Sli |
Posted By: PetrolHead
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2017 at 6:54am
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Do you remember what temperatures they were hitting? OP is staying below 80C @ 3.8GHz, which is in my opinion in line with Hardware Unboxed's results in the Wraith Spire cooler vs Cooler Master 212 -comparison. In that comparison the 1600 hit 89C @ 4GHz & 1.4V in Aida 64's stress test with the Wraith Spire. At stock it hit 63C. It's worth noting that Aida's stress test should be a bit lighter on the CPU than OCCT, which the OP is using. It just occured to me that if we consider the limit to be 95C, then the OP is indeed not having any issues keeping the CPU (relatively) cool. I just don't think going near those temperatures is good for the CPU in the long run, it's a big temperature delta compared to ambient...
It's a good freebee, no doubt, especially compared to what Intel offers. However, I think this says more about the quality of stock coolers than the Wraith Spire itself. ------------- Ryzen 5 1500X, ASRock AB350M Pro4, 2x8 GB G.Skill Trident Z 3466CL16, Sapphire Pulse RX Vega56 8G HBM2, Corsair RM550x, Samsung 960 EVO SSD (NVMe) 250GB, Samsung 850 EVO SSD 500 GB, Windows 10 64-bit |