BIOS Update for Spectre and Meltdown For Older MBs
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Topic: BIOS Update for Spectre and Meltdown For Older MBs
Posted By: csasr
Subject: BIOS Update for Spectre and Meltdown For Older MBs
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2018 at 2:04pm
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" rel="nofollow - I surely hope everyone has heard about the recent blow-off of the Spectre and Meltdown vulnerabilities. My question for ASRock is simple: will there be a BIOS and relevant driver update for all the motherboards in the past 5 (even better 10) years? I am still running a Z77 in my machine, and the BIOS update stopped at the end of 2013 IIRC, which is not a big issue because the machine runs stably. However, when serious security issue like this arises, I wonder if ASRock is really going to go back 5 years and mod the BIOS for a 5-year old MB? I hope this is the case, or I'd need to rebuild my system with a new MB =( |
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Posted By: Xeonwolf
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2018 at 2:35pm
| " rel="nofollow - Would like an updated bios as well, also on Z77. Why nothing posted on this site about ASRocks' intentions on how they are handling this? |
Posted By: Graag
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2018 at 7:35pm
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I'm interested on this also. I have P67 Extreme6 with overclocked 2500k on it. I know this is an old system, nearly seven years now. But it is still a perfectly functional machine even for gaming. I'm doubtful that any manufacturer would support so old hardware. I't the same thing with all consumer electronics these days. It's not planned obsolescence but rather obsolescence by negligence and insecurity.
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Posted By: PetrolHead
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2018 at 9:23pm
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I already posted this to the other thread, but here goes: Please note that Meltdown and Spectre variant 1 cannot - according to current knowledge - be fixed with a microcode update. According to The Register, Skylake and later CPUs will receive a microcode update to counter the Spectre variant 2 (which requires kernel countermeasures as well), but I don't know if that's actually necessary or if it only makes the performance impact of the kernel countermeasures smaller. In any case, hopefully ASRock will be able to provide all available updates to those affected. ------------- Ryzen 5 1500X, ASRock AB350M Pro4, 2x8 GB G.Skill Trident Z 3466CL16, Sapphire Pulse RX Vega56 8G HBM2, Corsair RM550x, Samsung 960 EVO SSD (NVMe) 250GB, Samsung 850 EVO SSD 500 GB, Windows 10 64-bit |
Posted By: Sebastian DI
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2018 at 1:22am
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" rel="nofollow - Oh thankssssss that u opened this thread! What can i say? I am obviously really pissed about the situation. I owe a relatively still modern MoBo called "ASRock Z77 Extreme6" with the BETA Bios P2.80E on it. Vulnerable as hell still. By the way i will not buy a new MoBo or a new Prozzi. Why. Because all processors that are on market are vulnerable. I will not trash my Intel 3770k. I want that Asrock gives Bios updates to all users, even if they use a 4 year old Mobo. We all need the microcode update, FAST. Greetz, DI ------------- All will end "good".... |
Posted By: Sebastian DI
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2018 at 1:27am
 Then they do not know what they told u about. ALL PROCESSORS are affected to this vulnerability. It can get fixed by the System you are using (in my case windows 10 64bit). And it will certainly slow down for example Videos u open on Windows. The SSD for example opens Videos slower than before. The thing is, that for example an Intel 3770k needs a microcode update from the Mobo, so that the patch that Microsoft brought out, 100% works. This is possible to do. I want that fixed! ------------- All will end "good".... |
Posted By: zlobster
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2018 at 2:17am
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There is already a class action lawsuit brewing up. Simply jump on the bandwagon and give Intel the same screwing they are giving you. ------------- 1700X ZP-B1 (stock); X370 Taichi (UEFI 3.10); 16GB F4-3200C14-8GFX XMP; 256GB 960 EVO; RX 580 NITRO+ 8GB |
Posted By: PetrolHead
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2018 at 2:22am
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Meltdown has not been shown to affect other CPUs than several generations of Intel CPUs and Arm Cortex-A75. There is also no microcode fix for it at the moment. ------------- Ryzen 5 1500X, ASRock AB350M Pro4, 2x8 GB G.Skill Trident Z 3466CL16, Sapphire Pulse RX Vega56 8G HBM2, Corsair RM550x, Samsung 960 EVO SSD (NVMe) 250GB, Samsung 850 EVO SSD 500 GB, Windows 10 64-bit |
Posted By: csasr
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2018 at 8:30am
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" rel="nofollow - A BIOS update would be nice, otherwise, it'd be new MB and new CPU. Even worse, we have to wait for updated CPU design down the road, which makes the period of vulnerability long and painful. I've patched Windows 10, and being less than technical/educated, I grasped the idea that 1) a firmware update from Intel (don't know if I've ever seen that or what it is!) and 2) an update of BIOS and other drivers from the OEM have to be implemented in addition to the OS patch to address the issue. New to the forum here, so I'm not sure if ASRock staff actively participates in discussion, but so far it looks like a support ticket is to be opened? |
Posted By: csasr
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2018 at 8:37am
I tried to follow Intel press, but this company sucks at transparency. I didn't immediately blame it for the flawed design and the followed consequence, but their dodging statement really angered me. I also read that they were going to update firmware for "90%" of the current market, but that doesn't answer whether my CPU will be included. My CPU is definitely older than Skylake - I'm still on Sandy Bridge... Dang it! |
PetrolHead wrote:Posted By: Unregisteredabc
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2018 at 4:13pm
| I also got a computer that's running a Z77. Would feel a lot better if mobo manufacturers put out a statement saying they're working on the firmware updates, and which models they're planning to update. I'm looking at Asus and Gigabyte websites and forums, and they are in the dark like we are. I'm sure all of the manufacturers are working hard. Just would like some info. |
Posted By: Luminary99
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2018 at 12:41am
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Another Z77 Extreme6 with Core i5 3570K Subscribing to the thread in the hope that when Asrock gets around to providing a patch (or making a statement that they won't), that info will be posted in this thread. |
Posted By: Graag
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2018 at 2:00am
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Intel has stated that they will release microcode update for 90% of cpu's which are 5 years old or newer. Without the microcode-update there can't be a bios update. I guess it's possible that they would also fix older systems, but I wouldn't bet on it. The worst holes (meltdown) are fixed by the OS updates. With the microcode-update the cpu would also have protection against some of the spectre variants but not all. With the microcode-update the computer would be reasonably safe. Without them it depends on the user. If security is a must, you need to get newer hardware. If it is not highest of priorities, keep using it and try to be careful. That's how I see it now. We should know in the near future what's gonna happen to the older systems.
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Posted By: Unregisteredabc
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2018 at 4:58am
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Yeah so the Intel press release says their updates should cover CPUs released in the last 5 years. But my Z77 has an Ivy Bridge. Most of the consumer versions of Ivy Bridge came out in mid 2012, that's 5.5 years ago. Might be bad news for me. However, lots of the business versions of Ivy Bridge came out mid 2013. So I'm still hoping all of Ivy Bridge will be included. |
Posted By: davjens
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2018 at 7:58pm
| Another Z77 (Extreme4) owner here. I am following this thread and hoping for ASRock to release a timely BIOS update to fix these urgent security issues. |
Posted By: Termie
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 5:46pm
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" rel="nofollow - I will watch the MB manufacturer's actions in this Intel case thoroughly. If Intel release microcode updates but AsRock will not publish updated BIOS versions then, my next mainboard will be one from these manufacturers which were more accommodating. I own a Z97E-ITX/ac with i5-5675c Broadwell. I´m just a bit sceptical atm - not the slightest note/statement/post from AsRock until now, right? |
Posted By: Grom0X
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 6:11pm
I agree with you dude!
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Posted By: csasr
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 1:57pm
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Glad to see several Z77 people! I'm on Z77 ITX, so my replacement options are quite limited o_O |
Posted By: Unregisteredabc
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 4:51pm
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Bad news. Asus announced that they are only doing updates for 6th, 7th, and 8th gen CPUs, which I think are Skylake, Kabylake and Coffeelake. The only older ones they will do is X99 chipset, which I think is for the enthusiast tier Haswell and Broadwell 4th and 5th gen. Essentially, Asus is only supporting back to 3 years, which is the typical warranty period for most mobos. If this is what other mobo manufacturers are doing, then I assume we will not get updates for Sandy, Ivy, and most Haswell and Broadwell. The only thing we can hope for is that Spectre is difficult to exploit. Meltdown should be mitigated by the Windows updates. |
Posted By: zlobster
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 5:35pm
Well, at least they announced something... If you judge by ASRock's silence you'd get the impression they closed shop for good... ------------- 1700X ZP-B1 (stock); X370 Taichi (UEFI 3.10); 16GB F4-3200C14-8GFX XMP; 256GB 960 EVO; RX 580 NITRO+ 8GB |
Posted By: Termie
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 7:28pm
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" rel="nofollow - the microcode updates will be created by Intel. so could it really be a huge, time-intensive effort/work to integrate this ready-made code at the already available, latest BIOS/UEFI versions of each board??? I really can´t imagine that. So AsRock, just do your job then! |
Posted By: Graag
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 10:46pm
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I have read on a Finnish IT-forum Io-tech.fi, that technically BIOS-update is not necessary for the microcode-update. On linux microcode can be loaded on boot. This is not permanent, but is done every time os boots. Apparently this can be done on windows too. I don't know how reliable the process is and would prefer that motherboard manufacturer would do it trough BIOS-update. I think Intel's statement also said that they will produce microcode updates and then release them to motherboard vendors. It would be bad PR for ASRock to not update the older boards if the microcodes become available. For some time now it has been standard practice that software updates should automatically be installed. But driver and especially bios-updates have not been so important. Many have thought perhaps correctly that if the computer works, there is no need to update most drivers or BIOS. We don't live in that world anymore. The absolute worst of the security holes are now constantly found on hardware. First this happened on Intel Management Engine and now in CPU speculation. If you are concerned by security, it is no longer optional to update BIOS. It is as necessary as automatic Windows updates are.
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Posted By: kcamfork
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 10:47pm
| A note from ASROCK would be nice, so we know if we are even getting an update. Their action or inaction will definitely affect which brands I buy in the future. |
Posted By: beard55
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 12:42am
| Add my voice. I'd like to know what ASRock will be doing. The lack of response or even acknowledgement is pretty frustrating. I submitted a related question to ASRock Tech Support last Friday (1/5). I'd suggest anyone concerned do the same and be a squeaky wheel. |
Posted By: SectorGZ
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 1:58am
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Add my voice also, I have a ASRock Z170 OC Formula MB running an I7-6700K. Some news from ASRock would be nice to hear. I have submitted a question to Tech support 1-9-18. ------------- Z170 OC Formula Intel Core i7-6700K CPU 32GB DDR4 3200 NVIDIA GTX 970 Asus VN247 Monitor Samsung SSD 950 Pro 512GB WD 2TB Windows 7 Pro 64-bit Windows 10 Pro on VMware |
Posted By: Aristoc
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 3:37am
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" rel="nofollow - does everyone really believe that once this is fixed we can all feel good again and go back to what we were doing? there will always be a 'back door' even if this is fixed or you buy a new CPU. |
Posted By: RebelAngel
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 4:32am
| I own an ASRock Z87 Extreme 6 and hope there will be an update! |
Posted By: santini
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 4:34am
| Asrock z77 pro3 owner. Eagerly awaiting a BIOS update |
Posted By: tvisforme
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 3:41pm
| Asrock H97M Pro4 owner, Haswell (i5-4590). Hopefully there will be some action from Asrock. I can understand support ending under normal circumstances (ie newer technology making boards outdated), but this seems to be beyond what one would consider as normal". |
Posted By: Fission_Mailed
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 10:55pm
ASRock Z77 Extreme4 --- Hope to see an update & announcement sooner than later from the team working on the ASRock Motherboards!  |
Posted By: Graag
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2018 at 2:57am
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Aristoc, No. I'm worried about this development. Previously you were able to trust your hardware as long as it fuctioned. It was the software that constantly needed to be patched. Spectre patch or not this will make a difference on what hardware I buy in future. My primary concern in buying new hardware is now going to be security and how long support the vendor offers for it.
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Posted By: RebelAngel
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2018 at 2:59am
| It's a little weird that there is no reaction at all so far... |
Posted By: tsunami2311
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2018 at 3:31am
this blowing up even more then already did cause social media isnt gone help maters for no one from the most recent release from MS/Intel I still wating on microcode for my 6700k and it "should see much if any if any diffrence and my dads duo core if it effect and needs to be patchs and if it even get things required will see performance degrade more then it already is cause useing hdd and really old one at that and it super slow cause of it. and servers enviroments will will perfromance drop, from security stand point not patching is bad idea especial if there is patchs and updates for it cause now ever one in the world knows about, thanks to social media wild fires |
Posted By: PetrolHead
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2018 at 5:37am
Yup. I can understand that not all hardware may get updates and getting updates to those that will may take some time, but leaving the customers in the dark in a situation like this is frankly terrible damage control. It's not the developers whose job it is to write press releases, so I really don't see an excuse for the silence, even though I'm sure the devs have their hands full at the moment. Just for comparison: ASUS has published two press releases about the subject on the 5th, MSI published one today, while ASRock and Gigabyte have so far stayed silent. The situation is not great overall, but at least some brands seem to be trying. ------------- Ryzen 5 1500X, ASRock AB350M Pro4, 2x8 GB G.Skill Trident Z 3466CL16, Sapphire Pulse RX Vega56 8G HBM2, Corsair RM550x, Samsung 960 EVO SSD (NVMe) 250GB, Samsung 850 EVO SSD 500 GB, Windows 10 64-bit |
Posted By: ok2018
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2018 at 5:39am
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hello! Lenovo is updating older systems - https://support.lenovo.com/hr/en/solutions/len-18282" rel="nofollow - https://support.lenovo.com/hr/en/solutions/len-18282 (haswell included) Asus released new microcode update (i guess this is for Sceptre) for h81 board https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/H81MK/HelpDesk_BIOS/" rel="nofollow - https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/H81MK/HelpDesk_BIOS/ and Intel released microcode for pretty much every cpu for linux https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/27431/Linux-Processor-Microcode-Data-File" rel="nofollow - https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/27431/Linux-Processor-Microcode-Data-File I have Asrock z97 pro4 and Asrock h97 fatality killer. Asked support, they said that Intel did not released microcode yet (that was on 4.1) and that they are talking to Intel. I asked can they confirm there will be microcode update if Intel release it for Haswell but did not get any answer. I think i will update my ticket |
Posted By: Grom0X
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2018 at 5:56am
Thank you very much fot that information, i have H97 Fatal1ty Performance.
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Posted By: SiliconTrigger
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 1:27am
That is nice, but i'd very much appreciate it, if they were talking to us customers as well. I find this non-response unbearable when I see that the competition (ASUS, MSI, etc.) are already forthcoming with patches and ASrock has not to my knowledge even publicly acknowledged that there is a problem. Let alone provided us with information as to what they are going to do about it. I'm not talking about 'older MBs' either. I got my MB six months ago. |
Posted By: ok2018
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 2:37am
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I don't think you should worry, you will get update for that mb. its pre skylake that is not certain = and keep in mind that those are not obsolete cpus. thay are pretty much as fast as anything newer, only 8700k being possible upgrade for 4790k owners. 2600 is still great cpu. Asus and Msi announced skylake and up only update although Asus released that h81 board update. they are also not exceling at communication. |
Posted By: Termie
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 5:55pm
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not very promising atm... https://www.wsj.com/articles/intel-warns-its-patches-for-chip-flaws-are-buggy-1515715212%3Fmod=rss_Technology" rel="nofollow - https://www.wsj.com/articles/intel-warns-its-patches-for-chip-flaws-are-buggy-1515715212?mod=rss_Technology |
Posted By: Grom0X
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 6:30pm
New Bios for Fatla1ty x299 Profesional Gaming i9 is available: |
Posted By: karadoc
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 6:33pm
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I've just noticed that there's also a new update for my motherboard... ( http://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/Z370M-ITXac/index.asp#BIOS" rel="nofollow - Z370M-ITXac ) The update mentions a updated microcode, so that's probably the spectre fix. It also mentions improved memory compatibility. So I have some hope it will fix http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp%3cTID=7207" rel="nofollow - my other problem. I haven't looked, but my guess is that there are updates for a bunch of different motherboards; and that these are the spectre firmware updates. (Note, "meltdown" is only addressed by software.) [Edit] I just noticed that this forum has trouble with links that have "?" inside them. I can't work out how to make my link to "my other problem" work... http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp%3fTID=7207 |
Posted By: Grom0X
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 6:42pm
Also new Bios for old IMB 785 Intel H81 Chipset is available: |
Posted By: Grom0X
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 7:12pm
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Intel Releases Linux CPU Microcodes To fix Meltdown&Spectre Bugs http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/intel-releases-linux-cpu-microcodes-to-fix-meltdown-and-spectre-bugs/" rel="nofollow - http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/intel-releases-linux-cpu-microcodes-to-fix-meltdown-and-spectre-bugs/
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Posted By: Tomkin
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 8:20pm
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Z77 Pro4-M, hopefully there will be a new BIOS soon! ------------- Asrock Z77 Pro4-M Zotac Geforce GTX 1070 I7-3770@4,2GHZ 16GB DDR3 1600 1 X Toshiba SSD 450 GB OS/Games 2 X PNY SSD 240 GB Games 1 X Samsung 1 TB DATA |
Posted By: Grom0X
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 8:32pm
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Posted By: wond1r
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 8:50pm
Can you explain why the Hardware support for brand target injection is False? is that on your end or AsRocks side of things
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Posted By: Grom0X
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 9:05pm
Because we need new CPU Intel micro codes in BIOS. |
Posted By: Tomkin
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 9:35pm
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Is there a Employee from Asrock around to give us an information if they are working on a BIOS update to Boards with Intel CPUs I3, I5, or I7 Series? IVY-Bridge, Haswell..? ------------- Asrock Z77 Pro4-M Zotac Geforce GTX 1070 I7-3770@4,2GHZ 16GB DDR3 1600 1 X Toshiba SSD 450 GB OS/Games 2 X PNY SSD 240 GB Games 1 X Samsung 1 TB DATA |
Posted By: wond1r
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 9:56pm
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Posted By: Grom0X
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 9:58pm
Yes that's it.
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Posted By: pvizc
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 10:15pm
| Owner of Asrock Z77 extreme4 reporting in and looking forward to this also. |
Posted By: FFreestyleRR
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 2:08am
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Here we go... i7-8700k with ASRock Z370 Extreme4 (BIOS 1.40): https://i.imgur.com/uGXhPmJ.png" rel="nofollow - https://i.imgur.com/uGXhPmJ.png I hope that my system won't become unstable and if so I hope I can rollback the changes back to Microcode rev. 70. :) |
Posted By: Grom0X
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 2:38am
Nice, congratulations.
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Posted By: Morku
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 2:42am
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I gave up waiting for official updates, I never understood why there is so slow support. I have an ASRock Z170 Extreme4. Last official update is from january 2017. Since a year! And Skylake is not that old. So there is a Beta update to have at least HT bugfix from july 2017. So since a half year we/I have to wait when this BIOS gets "stable". wtf? Even Intel will stop at some point to bring out uCodes for CPU, it shouldn't be that problem to support Boards to that date. I whish there would be at least an official announcment of ASRock. So personally, Spectre is a nice accident to see, which boardmanufactur takes care for old mainboards and after that I will see if it is worth to stay for ASRock. So I modded the BIOS myself which might be an option for advanced users with Dual BIOS. It would be great if there would be a manufactur who support modding bios with easytools to always implement microcode. Of course, it's not recommended :) 
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Posted By: tsunami2311
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 2:43am
lucky i still waiting, I would go back old microcode/bios the cat is out bag with this flaw due to social media wilder fires, if the bad people dint know about that they sure do now and will try and exploit it |
Posted By: tsunami2311
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 3:30am
you have same cpu and board as me did you notice any real noticable diffrence preformance wise? |
Posted By: Morku
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 3:44am
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No, not noticable in my daily using. I am also not into benchmarks and my video encodings still have the general speed like before. I am fine with the current solution, but I think it's not the last update we saw. Terry from Microsoft told, that you won't notice a performance drop when using a current CPU and Windows 10. There will be a bigger performance impact for older CPU (like Haswell and older) and if you still use Windows 7/8.1. |
Posted By: Grom0X
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 4:21am
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How much slower will your PC feel after patching for Spectre-Meltdown https://www.computerbase.de/2018-01/meltdown-spectre-amd-intel-benchmarks/" rel="nofollow - https://www.computerbase.de/2018-01/meltdown-spectre-amd-intel-benchmarks/  |
Posted By: SiliconTrigger
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 5:58am
Hi Morku care to share how you did it. One of my ASRock that still use runs on core i5-2500k with that last beta BIOS from I think 2012. No way ASRock will fix that I'd really appreciate if you shared a bit on that issue! Also, good for you, btw :) |
Posted By: Grom0X
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 6:05am
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Posted By: SiliconTrigger
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 6:54am
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Z68 Pro3, since I checked stable BIOS is from 2012 and beta is from 2013 Then a B250M-HDV, pretty new, bought in 2017 And at least one other that is age-wise in between the two, that I'm not sure about the model right now. |
Posted By: Morku
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 7:20am
You'll find all information you need here: https://www.win-raid.com/f16-BIOS-Modding-Guides-and-Problems.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.win-raid.com/f16-BIOS-Modding-Guides-and-Problems.html I used the UEFI BIOS Updater (UBU) which is easy to use, but still need a lot of care, especially when there are some warning (For example to check _FIT_). There are good tutorials, read them carefully step by step. Any little mistake can make your Mainboard completly useless. Since CPU microcodes became a relevant topic, they created an additional subtopic: https://www.win-raid.com/f47-HOT-CPU-Microcode-Optimization.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.win-raid.com/f47-HOT-CPU-Microcode-Optimization.html |
Posted By: Plutosaurus
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 7:30am
Can you give us a report regarding performance impact? |
Posted By: SiliconTrigger
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 9:06am
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Thanks! That looks promising but I've run into a little snag here Where do I get the microcode from? We're talking core-i5 2500k, so "Sandy Bridge" UBU detects in the BIOS this for my CPU (I figure CPU ID would be 0206A7 |No| CPUID | Platform | Version | Date | Size Hex | |07| 000206A7 | 12 | 00000028 | 24-04-2012 | 00002400 | and offers me to update to "Version 29 Date 12-06-2013" Pretty much only from version 28 from year 2012 to version 29 from year 2013 I should take this to the win-raid.com forums, however, I'm curious about where you got the microcode from. The talk is about extraction from other firmware but finding an officially patched Sandy Bridge firmware is out of the question. |
Posted By: FFreestyleRR
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 5:10pm
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I didn't have time to fully test the system but these are the results before the MS patch and before the BIOS update: https://www.3dmark.com/pcm8/24477610 The results after the MS patch and before the BIOS update: https://www.3dmark.com/pcm8/24484079 and the results after the MS patch and the BIOS update: https://www.3dmark.com/pcm8/24588944 I am using Windows 8.1 x64 and probably this is why I am seeing such huge performance impact. (For context, on newer CPUs such as on Skylake and beyond, Intel has refined the instructions used to disable branch speculation to be more specific to indirect branches, reducing the overall performance penalty of the Spectre mitigation. Older versions of Windows have a larger performance impact because Windows 7 and Windows 8 have more user-kernel transitions because of legacy design decisions, such as all font rendering taking place in the kernel. We will publish data on benchmark performance in the weeks ahead.) https://cloudblogs.microsoft.com/microsoftsecure/2018/01/09/understanding-the-performance-impact-of-spectre-and-meltdown-mitigations-on-windows-systems/ At least I am not having any issues after the patch and the BIOS update and didn't notice any WHEA-Logger Event 19 errors in the Event Viewer. If such errors occur then I will downgrade the BIOS (and that probably will downgrade the microcode to rev. 70 or I will ask someone to integrate it into the bios for me using UBU) or I will keep the BIOS but will disable the microcode utilization via the registry to keep at least some of the mitigations (but not all). https://i.imgur.com/ZTcs3dZ.png https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/kernel-memory-leaking-intel-processor-design-flaw-forces-linux-windows-redesign.399338/page-22#post-2731224 So far, so good! Regards, Georgi |
Posted By: Morku
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 5:16pm
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Take a look in the CPU Microcode Optimization subtopic, there is a thread for latest microcodes: https://www.win-raid.com/t3355f47-Intel-AMD-amp-VIA-CPU-Microcode-Repositories-Discussion.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.win-raid.com/t3355f47-Intel-AMD-amp-VIA-CPU-Microcode-Repositories-Discussion.html Anyway when you check your cpuid at the repositories, version 29 from 2013 is the latest Microcode for Sandy: https://github.com/platomav/CPUMicrocodes/tree/master/Intel" rel="nofollow - https://github.com/platomav/CPUMicrocodes/tree/master/Intel Intel 'promised' updated Microcodes at the end of january for processors not older than 5 years. Sandy Bridge was released in 2011, so yeah... there is no official announcement for that kind of old yet. The last version of UBU added Microcodes for this sockel:
(But Intel statement that current Microcodes of Broadwell/Haswell are buggy) So if there is a new Microcode in the repositorie and you don't want to wait until UBU is updated, you can do yourself by simply doing these steps: https://www.win-raid.com/t3352f47-First-Aid-by-CPU-Microcode-Update-via-UBU-Tool.html#msg45892" rel="nofollow - https://www.win-raid.com/t3352f47-First-Aid-by-CPU-Microcode-Update-via-UBU-Tool.html#msg45892 |
Posted By: Grom0X
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 7:26pm
| https://downloadcenter.intel.com/product/52210/Intel-Core-i5-2500K-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3-70-GHz-" rel="nofollow - https://downloadcenter.intel.com/product/52210/Intel-Core-i5-2500K-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3-70-GHz- |
Posted By: Morku
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 7:46pm
contains: cpu206A7_plat12_ver00000029_2013-06-12_PRD_C9C91DF0.bin |
Posted By: maffle
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 11:08pm
| " rel="nofollow - Still no bios updates from Asrock for any board from them!? Seriously!? |
Posted By: wond1r
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 11:55pm
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Posted By: JCorrea
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2018 at 9:53am
| I'm also on Z77 and Z68, both Fatal1ty. I saw that Intel didn't release a microcode update for Sandy/Ivy, that means manufacturers can't do anything to update the motherboards. Perhaps if we send a lot of mails to Intel, to claim for updated microcode... |
Posted By: Tomkin
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2018 at 7:49pm
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I don't believe that intel will give the microcode for Sandy- or Ivy Bridge CPU's to ASrock. I don't believe either that ASrock will solve the Problmens that Intel is responsible for. They build unsafe CPU's and give a sh** on their customers. I think the only answer customers can give is to buy no more intel cpu's in the future. With the Ryzen cpu's there is something we can use for Gaming. ------------- Asrock Z77 Pro4-M Zotac Geforce GTX 1070 I7-3770@4,2GHZ 16GB DDR3 1600 1 X Toshiba SSD 450 GB OS/Games 2 X PNY SSD 240 GB Games 1 X Samsung 1 TB DATA |
Posted By: Graag
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2018 at 10:57pm
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https://newsroom.intel.com/news-releases/security-first-pledge/" rel="nofollow - https://newsroom.intel.com/news-releases/security-first-pledge/ "By Jan. 15, we will have issued updates for at least 90 percent of Intel CPUs introduced in the past five years, with updates for the remainder of these CPUs available by the end of January. We will then focus on issuing updates for older products as prioritized by our customers." This says that Intel will produce updates for older systems but does not specify which ones.
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Posted By: ok2018
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 6:06am
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haswell is less than 5 years old, and without it it would not be more then 90%. also thay mention remainder of cpus. also for linux there is microcode avaible and covers pretty much everything i really expect intel to release microcode update even for old q2c and motherboard manufacturers to update their bios. |
Posted By: bloodstainedsweater
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 11:40am
| X99 WS checking in, and looking for bios update |
Posted By: friendlyfire
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 11:33pm
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Hi!
will there be a new BIOS for my https://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/Fatal1ty%20X99X%20Killer/index.asp" rel="nofollow - Fatal1ty X99X Killer Board? The new microcode has been rolled out on the 01/08/2018 by Intel as well: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/27431/Linux-Processor-Microcode-Data-File?v=t Bye the way, do I have to update the http://rover.ebay.com/rover/13/0/19/DealFrame/DealFrame.cmp%3cbm=113&BEFID=1719&aon=%5E1&MerchantID=531102&crawler_id=531102&dealId=anfn5tpKhi36hzYZ9qC6vA%3D%3D&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.crowdfox.com%2Fintel-core-i3-8350k-pc1151-6mb-cache-4ghz-retail-PZTIzZDVjY2Y1Ng%3D%3D.html%3Fpt%3Db2cf88ba%26utm_source%3Debay%26utm_campaign%3Dprice_winner%26utm_medium%3Dshopping%26utm_term%3Ddv%26pId%3D1_4_2504821441%26directCheckoutButton%3Dtrue%26mtype%3D%26%3Futm_source%3Debay%26utm_medium%3Dshopping%26utm_campaign%3Dprice_winner&linkin_id=8078754&Issdt=180115102304&searchID=p33.81ea69d8243458ceb422&DealName=Intel+Core+i3+8350K+PC1151+6MB+Cache+4GHz+retail&dlprc=163.09&AR=5&NG=1&NDP=5&PN=1&ST=7&FPT=DSP&NDS=&NMS=&MRS=&PD=&brnId=14305&IsFtr=0&IsSmart=0&op=&CM=&RR=5&IsLps=0&code=&acode=105&category=&HasLink=&ND=&MN=&GR=&lnkId=&SKU=7413422" rel="nofollow - Intel ME for X99? Does Asrock has any update tool for this out there? regards |
Posted By: tsunami2311
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2018 at 5:29am
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" rel="nofollow - intersting how asrock has made no offical statment on this and seem to be silently doing update at random, https://www.asrock.com/support/index.us.asp?cat=BIOS still nothing on z170 boards from what i can see though i see some 1xx series being updated in there |
Posted By: SiliconTrigger
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2018 at 12:55pm
Yes, that's unusual and not in a good way. The other manufactures usually have set up a dedicated website for Meltdown, Spectre, listing all the affected products and more information and links to the patches. ASRock releases patches 'on the dl' On the upside, my B250-HDV got the firmware update today and is now fully patched  |
Posted By: 2ndLastJedi
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2018 at 6:58pm
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Here's hoping for Z170 patch soon . Z170 Extreme 4 . |
Posted By: RendCycle
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2018 at 11:03pm
| A fix for the https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z77%20Extreme4/#BIOS" rel="nofollow - ASRock Z77 Extreme4 Motherboard please. |
Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2018 at 11:22pm
Dedicated website? Links please as I find none using MY Google Fu. |
Posted By: wond1r
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2018 at 3:04am
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" rel="nofollow - http://www.asrock.com/news/index.asp?iD=3904
and http://www.asrock.com/Microsite/SA00088/
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Posted By: ok2018
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2018 at 3:15am
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" rel="nofollow - [URL=][/URL]http://www.asrock.com/support/index.asp?cat=bBIOS latest beta have 8 and 9 series updated last month so that boards are still updated. I really do not wont to upgrade until new cpus are without current bugs and they are faster substantially from what I have now. i have asrock h97 killer and asrock z97 pro 4 boards. |
Posted By: Hackerpcs
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2018 at 12:39pm
I know it's probably a long shot but securing older boards like my B75
Pro3-M with the very popular 2nd Generation i5 Sandy Bridge 2500K would be nice
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Posted By: Unregisteredabc
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2018 at 5:03am
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" rel="nofollow - So according to the news bulletin released yesterday on January 18th, they only mention current updates for 100/200/300 series for now, and then intend to update 8/9/SoC in the future. Not sure what SoC is. Is 8 series for Haswell? I have a Z77 and Ivy Bridge, is that 7 series? Intel said they are working on CPUs up to 5 years old. Haswell is just under 5 years, but Ivy Bridge is just over 5 years. |
Posted By: ok2018
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2018 at 7:36am
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" rel="nofollow - Where did you read it that 8 9 and soc comes next? Sorry i dont know that soc means. y, i meant that 8 and 9 are haswells. there are updates for Ivy Bridge for Linux so i really hope they will update everything. if thay dont i will switch to amd, and that will be on playstation. no more xx. |
Posted By: SiliconTrigger
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2018 at 8:38am
If you have a non ASRock system: Microsoft's Website is a good starting point: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4073757/protect-your-windows-devices-against-spectre-meltdown" rel="nofollow - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4073757/protect-your-windows-devices-against-spectre-meltdown as it lists the deep links to the manufacturer's Meltdown websites for Acer, Asus, Dell, Fujitsu, HP, Lenovo and many others.
Although very late to the game, I'm glad they finally did it, but on Jan 18 it was hardly 'news' anymore and considering that we have been talking about it in this forum topic since Jan 6.
Same here. I still have a core i5 2500k too! My understanding is that Intel has not released microcode for these CPUs yet so there is at this point in time nothing that ASRock or any other manufacturer can do about it  |
Posted By: Unregisteredabc
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2018 at 8:44am
It's that 2nd link that others have mentioned that talks about older hardware. The 1st link, the one from the actual news bulletin, only mentions 100/200/300 series chipsets. http://www.asrock.com/Microsite/SA00088/" rel="nofollow - http://www.asrock.com/Microsite/SA00088/ This is the 1st paragraph in the link: ASRock is aware that the current Intel® microcode version might be defected by security vulnerabilities, we are working closely with Intel® to fix and update new BIOS for ASRock 100/200/Z370/X299 series motherboards.New BIOS versions for ASRock 8/9/X99 series and SoC motherboards will be created after new intel microcode is available. |
Posted By: JCorrea
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2018 at 10:19am
| There is not update for ivy/sandy yet. |
Posted By: Termie
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2018 at 8:12pm
that's what I´ve waited for. Thanxx for sharing. Of course the current Haswell/Broadwell microcode which was released by Intel recently is buggy/causes unexpected reboots. But glad to hear that updated UEFI's will come asap. |
Posted By: ok2018
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2018 at 8:26pm
| I hope all boards will get bios. I have h97 fatality and z97 pro4. Nice that they put it in news. |
Posted By: 2ndLastJedi
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2018 at 6:46pm
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" rel="nofollow - Intel are saying all CPU's from 6th Gen to 8th Gen have had code updates rolled out , why are we on Z170's from AsRock not receiving anything ? Something like 90% from the last 5 years have been updated ! |
Posted By: JCorrea
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2018 at 6:56pm
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Cause Intel did a sh*t on ucodes: https://www.pcworld.com/article/3248975/components-processors/spectre-cpu-patches-reboots-intel.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.pcworld.com/article/3248975/components-processors/spectre-cpu-patches-reboots-intel.html I'm just wondering to upgrade to AMD if Intel don't realease a patch for Ivy and Sandy... |
Posted By: soulstealer
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2018 at 8:57pm
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DO NOT install any updates so far https://newsroom.intel.com/news/root-cause-of-reboot-issue-identified-updated-guidance-for-customers-and-partners/" rel="nofollow - https://newsroom.intel.com/news/root-cause-of-reboot-issue-identified-updated-guidance-for-customers-and-partners/ http://techcrunch.com/2018/01/22/linus-torvalds-declares-intel-fix-for-meltdown-spectre-complete-and-utter-garbage/" rel="nofollow - https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/22/linus-torvalds-declares-intel-fix-for-meltdown-spectre-complete-and-utter-garbage/
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Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2018 at 9:24pm
Thanks soulstealer, I was literally just about to post the same warning  https://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/114545-intel-says-identified-patch-issues-causing-reboots/ Another link to check out. ------------- 
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Posted By: soulstealer
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2018 at 9:35pm
if you need someone really nerdy for your team, im for hire ;)
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Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2018 at 10:21pm
Hire would imply we get paid  We are all a team on these forums, we moderators are just here to keep an eye on things and keep things constructive and friendly -------------
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Posted By: tsunami2311
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2018 at 5:23am
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Still waiting on update for Z170 Extreme 4 the updates seem to slowing down. |
Posted By: 2ndLastJedi
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2018 at 6:56am
| Z170 extreme 4 here also but I think the fix is broken so even if it was ready I'd wait. |
Posted By: SiliconTrigger
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2018 at 7:47am
Oh my, this is just getting from bad to worse I still maintain that we should install the patches because apparently only Broadwell and Haswell microcode causes issues. In the case of Broadwell and Haswell of course we should not install the firmware and perhaps even return to an older firmware. As it is now, to the best of my knowledge
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