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Topic: raven ridge (2200g+2400g) tips
Posted By: datonyb
Subject: raven ridge (2200g+2400g) tips
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2018 at 10:28pm
a few of you guys are now getting the new apu ryzen chips

as with anything new its coming with teething troubles, below i'll list a few and some solutions which may help

first boot /new install issues :
bios version ~  you will need to have a later bios to support raven ridge ,this at present will not be on the brand new motherboards, this is due to new 'old stock' the board sat in newegg/microcentre etc etc has been made weeks or months ago shipped half way round the world ,sat in customs,sat in warehoues, you cant expect any maker or reseller to have raven ridge bios on the boards they ship/sell yet
solution = you will have to update bios ! , options are
 ........ use an early ryzen cpu 1200/1300/1600 etc etc and update bios
.... ask the reseller do they have an option to flash bios before selling it to you
...have a local pc repair guy, or local shop flash for you
...last resort AMD are placing a bios flash kit service (we are assuming they mail you a compatable cpu to flash with and you then return it to AMD)
all options above are a pain to differing degrees choose whats the best for you

BSOD/FREEZING IN WINDOWS :
known issues are
software based mainly examples being windows 10 versions 1709 FCU is what you should be using,also to note issues with software for benchmarking examples are 3dmark/gpuz these are waiting for newer releases to prevent crashing due to old sys.info files
solutions ........
NEW INSTALL WINDOWS ! download and create a new usb instal file using 1709 windows, updating 1703 to 1709 isnt working smoothly for most systems, you must do a clean install (if your using a ssd from an old intel system ,updated drivers for ryzen and now updated to 1709 you are never going to get it smooth or stable)
AMD DRIVER INSTALLATION PROCEDURE
you must install the latest amd chipset driver direct from amd first, and ONLY THEN install your integrated graphics driver, to prevent the chipset overwriting the gpu driver files


ACTUAL USEAGE AND TWEAKING TIPS :
below well be covering actually using the raven ridge to its abilities and issues with this

BIOS LIMITATIONS
not all bios were created equal ! , ideally you wish to set tweaking in bios ,due to nature of raven ridge and its price point ,its going into lower end boards a320/b350 these wont have the fancy tweaking options you may see advertised on some other boards,if you dont have bios setting for adjusting cpu speed,gpu speed,gpu ram reservation,soc voltage etc you may and can use RYZEN MASTER, some setting can be applied directly in windws some settings will need a reboot to apply
watch some you tube videos on how to play with ryzen master

raven ridge tweaking expectations :
cpu speed = 3.8 to 4.0 ghz depending on cooling and YOUR OWN boards vrm and psu abilities

gpu speed = 1350 to 1650 mhz depending on cooling and your own boards vrm and psu

dram speed .......... to get the best out of the raven ridge package you need as fast ram as you can afford, unlike the normal ryzen that finds its value for money max at around 2933~3200 mhz the raven ridge can find extra use for faster ram at this time still good gains are seen if it has 3600 ram to use due to the gpu side (this of course is theoretical at present with the insane price of ddr4)
as no one will pay more than 200bucks/pounds for 3200 ram when only paying 150 bucks or 100 bucks for a cpu/apu,but the point is try to tweak that ram you have as fast as you can get it

dram type = dual channel ALWAYS ! by this we mean two seperate sticks of ram eg 2x4gb/2x8gb using just one 8gb stick is a very foolish waste of money for raven ridge, its been tested to basically half your game frame rates, as an example you see an 8gb ram kit (one stick ) for 50 bucks and think ok i'll save 5-10 bucks over the 2 stick 8gb kit , WRONG ! unless you like 30fps instead of 60 fps in your game you intend to play

dram size = of course open to debate and can differ so much depending on your own useage of the system, but basically if this is the new build youve waited for and intend to use for a while there is no sense using less than 8gb in 2018, (please bear in mind the raven ridge will be sharing your system ram so kiss goodbye to 2gb at a minmum now,and some of the games it can play will request/overspill and need maybe 4gb)

dram size for gpu = now the apu will not have on-chip gddr memory it takes it from system ram and this needs thought from you ,dont be fooled into that bios option to 'force' the 2gb reserved option this will wipe out at all times 2gb from the actual operating system, so 2gb less to boot,2gb less to run programs etc etc ,windows is actually very good at doing the maths itself automatically so either set it in bios to lowest 64mb, or leave the dam thing alone at 'auto'

hope this helps and welcome any other tips and experiance to add to this guide

EDIT: the format for this post is heavy reading, moderators please feel free to reformat and or edit to make it easier reading LOL


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Replies:
Posted By: JinxB1rd
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2018 at 9:55am
" rel="nofollow - Thanks for the tips. So I can Remove BSOD/FREEZING effect with  brand new windows system?


Posted By: stree
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2018 at 6:22pm
" rel="nofollow - Great post, thanks datonyb!

I have a problem with sleep mode, not the one that auto shuuts your screen off after x minutes of inactivity, the one selected as one of the options on power button shut down,
shut down
restart
sleep

I very often use this sleep mode with ACPI setting to wake on keyboard any key, but the sleep option has disappeared!
I have a Belarc screenshot that gives most info , anything else needed to help just ask
<a href="https://imgur.com/S8fEL5g"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/S8fEL5g.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>

PS went to AMD for  the ravenridge chipset, but notice box popup telling already have amd files installed..not by me they are not............and I doubt chipset drivers have to be uninstalled before update?  or do they?
So no Radeon drivers on here yet either.

PPS Help! which link do I copy on Imgur to get pic here?


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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2018 at 3:15am
Originally posted by JinxB1rd JinxB1rd wrote:

" rel="nofollow - Thanks for the tips. So I can Remove BSOD/FREEZING effect with  brand new windows system?


gamersnexus did quite a detailed video about these problems
and it came down to mainly the raven ridge needs a clean fresh (non upgraded) version of win10 1709 fall creators update, when trying to run it with 1703 anniversary edition upgraded to 1709 they had loads of issues

also to note software benchmarking programs were causing crashing and freezing

this would be a good starting point to eliminate possible causes of freezing


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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2018 at 3:20am
Originally posted by stree stree wrote:

" rel="nofollow - Great post, thanks datonyb!


PS went to AMD for  the ravenridge chipset, but notice box popup telling already have amd files installed..not by me they are not............and I doubt chipset drivers have to be uninstalled before update?  or do they?
So no Radeon drivers on here yet either.

PPS Help! which link do I copy on Imgur to get pic here?


i cant really help with sleep mode ,ive never used it mate

drivers i can Big smile

the way it seems to be with the raven ridge cpu is
make sure its a new install of 1709, not an upgraded version that was 1703 before hand
then install the x370 or b350 chipset drivers
then grab radeon (vga) drivers

or the chipset driver (which is older) will overwrite the vga driver you need


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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2018 at 3:20am
p.s. balls to imagur

i use photobucket


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Posted By: stree
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2018 at 7:41pm
" rel="nofollow - Right.
Found that the missing sleep option under start button is definitely a display driver issue, which makes things easier to deal with. Or it should do, but seems I am a complications magnet!
Firstly, I checked windows version, W10 pro 64 bit  1709 build 16299.125..not an upgrade from an earlier version.
Then to device manager, display adaptor/driver. and this is still Microsoft basic driver.
So then to AMD site, downloaded and installed the chipset drivers. Not sure where I can check these, can I find in device manager?
Anyway, then the display drivers, Radeon, again straight from the AMD website, downloaded and installed.
So should be fine. But looking in Dev Mngr, still MS basic display adaptor driver. and PWR button still has no sleep option.
 In Devs mngr/display adaptors / events.it  says the following:

Device PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_15DD&SUBSYS_15DD1002&REV_C6\4&28056cf2&0&0041 requires further installation.
  further installation???


.in Devs mngr, under view-hidden devices-display adaptor.  there it is.. the latest installed AMD-Radeon drivers 
If  I  click on the driver file here, I get this:
Currently, this hardware device is not connected to the computer. (Code 45)

To fix this problem, reconnect this hardware device to the computer.

The only display hardware is the 2400G  GPU, so   does this need enabling somehow?


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Posted By: JohnM
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2018 at 10:46pm
Radeon Settings in the System Tray should give you loads of information if you click System then switch between the three tabs (Overview, Software, Hardware).

As a reference point, in Overview I have Radeon Software Version: 17.7, Radeon Software Edition: Crimson ReLive.

In Windows Device Manager\Display Adapters I see one entry, namely "AMD Radeon(TM) RX Vega 11 Graphics" and its driver properties are:
  Driver Provider: AMD
  Driver Date: 06/02/2018
  Driver Version: 23.20.827.0

Under Events I also see the "requires further installation" entry though, so I suspect it is of no consequence. Have you tried re-booting and reinstalling the driver.

I'm seeing a different build of Windows. I've got 1709 build 16299.248. I downloaded the latest ISO on 13th Feb while waiting for my APU to arrive and made an installation USB stick. Since installing there have been a number of updates, so it might be worth forcing a check.


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Posted By: stree
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2018 at 11:28pm
" rel="nofollow - Thanks  for info and suggestions.
Windows updates check as all up to date up to today.
System tray? Where do I find that?
Thinking of uninstalling AMD driver from hidden devices, rebooting and reinstalling.



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Posted By: JohnM
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2018 at 11:35pm
System Tray - maybe they don't call it that any more or I've got my terminology mixed up as I switch frequently between Windows, Linux and macOS! Bottom right, on the task bar, with the time and date in it. Any overspill icons end up hidden behind an icon that looks like an upside down letter 'V'.

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Posted By: stree
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2018 at 11:54pm
Right, understood now! Thanks.
When I try to open the  Radeon settings icon I get the following:

"Radeon settings currently unavailable.
Please try again after connecting display to AMD graphics and extending the display."

No idea where to begin with resolving that!
Have uninstalled from hidden devs display...

Next: AMD site  and downloaded adrenaline auto detect drivers needed.........
This hows that no drivers are required because radeon 17.11 is already installed. so use express uninstall  on that page , then auto detect drivers function again.
This time says  no hardware found to provide drivers for"
Busy building my other MB to put Ryzen 1200 on for a bit of sanity...........


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Posted By: stree
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 12:08am
Originally posted by stree stree wrote:

Right, understood now! Thanks.
When I try to open the  Radeon settings icon I get the following:

"Radeon settings currently unavailable.
Please try again after connecting display to AMD graphics and extending the display."

No idea where to begin with resolving that!
Have uninstalled from hidden devs display...

Next: AMD site  and downloaded adrenaline auto detect drivers needed.........
This shows that no drivers are required because radeon 17.11 is already installed. so use express uninstall  on that page , then auto detect drivers function again.
This time says  no hardware found to provide drivers for"
Busy building my other MB to put Ryzen 1200 on for a bit of sanity...........


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Posted By: stree
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 12:31am
SOLVED

Reinstalled Radeon drivers, this time it is version 7.7 and not 7.11 as before.. detected hardware and installed , did a restart.
Checked start button options and "sleep" is now appearing...........Checked devs manager and disply driver is now AMD.........
So not quite sure what the issue was, but eventually resolved....


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Posted By: JohnM
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 12:53am
" rel="nofollow - It obviously got confused. So a full uninstall, reboot, reinstall is what it took to fix it?

Can you confirm the version, please? I'm seeing 17.7 and suspect that's what you meant. The other version is perhaps for some other AMD GPU - maybe as a result of misidentification.

Anyway, glad it's all good now.


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Posted By: stree
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 1:21am
" rel="nofollow - says here ( bottom task bar inverted V, so we know where we are!)

Overview
Radeon software version 7.7
Edition Crimson relive

Software
Radeon Settings Version
2018.0206.131.2710

Driver Packaging Version
17.40.3701-180206a-324287C-ATI


large discrepancy between our versions. Have I got an ancient one?





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Posted By: stree
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 1:27am
Originally posted by stree stree wrote:

" rel="nofollow - says here ( bottom task bar inverted V, so we know where we are!)

Overview
Radeon software version 7.7
Edition Crimson relive

Software
Radeon Settings Version
2018.0206.131.2710

Driver Packaging Version
17.40.3701-180206a-324287C-ATI


large discrepancy between our versions. Have I got an ancient one?

This is a cyt n paste from "speccy"

ATI AMD Radeon(TM) RX Vega 11 Graphics
    Manufacturer    ATI
    Model    AMD Radeon RX Vega 11 Graphics
    Device ID    1002-15DD
    Revision    C7
    Subvendor    ATI (1002)
    GPU Clock    1251.0 MHz
    Core Voltage    0.001 V
    Driver version    23.20.827.0
    BIOS Version    113-RAVEN-103
    Memory Type    DDR4
    Memory    1024 MB





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Posted By: JohnM
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 2:52am
Originally posted by stree stree wrote:

Overview
Radeon software version 7.7
Edition Crimson relive

Software
Radeon Settings Version
2018.0206.131.2710

Driver Packaging Version
17.40.3701-180206a-324287C-ATI

Everything under the Software tab matches mine exactly. We just differ on the Radeon software version on the Overview tab. I'm seeing 17.7 while you report 7.7 - so is that a discrepancy, a typo or do you need to visit Specsavers Wink ?


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Posted By: stree
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 3:00am
not a typo, not an eyesight issue,,,,,,,,,,reported as seen


cut n paste  from overview
Radeon Software Version
17.7

From Hardware:

Graphics Chipset
AMD Radeon(TM) RX Vega 11 Graphics

From Software
Driver Packaging Version
17.40.3701-180206a-324287C-ATI
Radeon Settings Version
2018.0206.131.2710


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Posted By: JohnM
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 3:00am
And we get identical results from Speccy too, including that unfeasibly low GPU core voltage! The driver version is the same.

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Posted By: stree
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 3:03am
" rel="nofollow - How very random

Perhaps AMD means " A muddled driver?"


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Posted By: JohnM
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 3:04am
Originally posted by stree stree wrote:

not a typo, not an eyesight issue,,,,,,,,,,reported as seen


cut n paste  from overview
Radeon Software Version
17.7

From Hardware:

Graphics Chipset
AMD Radeon(TM) RX Vega 11 Graphics

Now you're reporting 17.7, which is the same as mine. Last time you said 7.7. Go back and check Smile


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Posted By: stree
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 3:09am
OK...........
Once more. live copy n paste from overview.

Radeon Software Version
17.7


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Posted By: stree
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 3:11am
so first dloaded was 7.11.. 2nd dload was 7.7
and now...........7.17.. nd no not my eyes or screen!  I wrote the driver numbers down!



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Posted By: JohnM
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 3:12am
Originally posted by stree stree wrote:

OK...........
Once more. live copy n paste from overview.

Radeon Software Version
17.7

That's right. Don't get angry. Look back a few posts. You said there you had version 7.7 when, it turns out, you meant 17.7. It's no big deal but you confused us both.


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Posted By: stree
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 3:14am
Think it best I just accept I mis-read the first sight of 7.17 as 7,7....................and have done! too difficult to backtrack and recall accurately now each stage. including what I wrote down!


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Posted By: stree
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 3:16am
Oh not angry, just trying to puzzle it out, and yes, apologies for the puzzlement.......


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Posted By: stree
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 3:17am
Main thing is, the driver has installed.........phew


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Posted By: JohnM
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 3:17am
 Thumbs Up



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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 4:10am
may i take this oppotunity

to say not everyone in the uk is a dodgy old fart ! Tongue

for comparison
my radeon driver pack is
17.12.1

although its offering me new driver 18.2.1 and 18.2.3

point to note ,my graphics is a rx480 though


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Posted By: stree
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 4:46am
Ouch.

Embarrassed


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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 9:07am
Originally posted by stree stree wrote:

" rel="nofollow - How very random

Perhaps AMD means " A muddled driver?"


I'm betting one is a MS driver installed via Windows Update. MS versioning is different from OEM provided.

3 Ways To Disable Automatic Driver Updates In Windows 10

https://www.itechtics.com/disable-automatic-driver-updates-windows/


Posted By: rjeftw
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 2:01pm
I have been getting BSOD's with DPC_Watchdog_Violations nonstop on my 2200G or Asrock B350 ITX with Bios 4.40 and now with 4.43. I also setup a new windows 10 USB install, which should have the creators update. Happens mainly during downloading anything heavily.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.



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Posted By: JinxB1rd
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 2:07pm
My BSOD reason was, that my memory kit was bad. One memory card was good in the kit, but the another one failed under AIDA64 stability test. Anything else, like memtest89, Prime said its okay, but it wasnt true. With this card i got BSOD random anytime. 


Posted By: rjeftw
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 3:23pm
Originally posted by JinxB1rd JinxB1rd wrote:

My BSOD reason was, that my memory kit was bad. One memory card was good in the kit, but the another one failed under AIDA64 stability test. Anything else, like memtest89, Prime said its okay, but it wasnt true. With this card i got BSOD random anytime. 

I wouldn't have thought it was my ram, worked fine in with my 1700 in Asrock Z370 Killer and Taichi. But I guess I could test it, happens a lot during any downloading, games drivers, the WIFI fluctuates and then it just locks up. Same thing happened when I tested the 2200G on my X370 Killer.


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Posted By: JinxB1rd
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 6:33pm
Same. I didnt thought that my ram could be bad, cos i used it since august without any noticable trouble. With Ryzen 1500x. But as extended vga memory it has to be perfect, or u got freezing screens.

Every vga card cause freezing, if the ram is bad.

Better, if you test it. It can be explain everything.

/sry for my english/


Posted By: JohnM
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2018 at 7:05pm
+1 on the advice about testing the RAM. If the RAM proves to be good, are you using WiFi to download when the problem happens. Try using the cabled network instead. There are other threads here about WiFi problems. Personally, I always used cabled Ethernet whenever I can as it's hugely more reliable.

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Posted By: rjeftw
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2018 at 4:31am
Originally posted by JinxB1rd JinxB1rd wrote:

My BSOD reason was, that my memory kit was bad. One memory card was good in the kit, but the another one failed under AIDA64 stability test. Anything else, like memtest89, Prime said its okay, but it wasnt true. With this card i got BSOD random anytime. 

Originally posted by JinxB1rd JinxB1rd wrote:

Same. I didnt thought that my ram could be bad, cos i used it since august without any noticable trouble. With Ryzen 1500x. But as extended vga memory it has to be perfect, or u got freezing screens.

Every vga card cause freezing, if the ram is bad.

Better, if you test it. It can be explain everything.

/sry for my english/

Originally posted by JohnM JohnM wrote:

+1 on the advice about testing the RAM. If the RAM proves to be good, are you using WiFi to download when the problem happens. Try using the cabled network instead. There are other threads here about WiFi problems. Personally, I always used cabled Ethernet whenever I can as it's hugely more reliable.

Just started memtest86 at stock clocks... I'll check its progress a little bit later. Wifi was never an issue with my 1700 with my Killer or Taichi, Wifi has only been an issues with the 2200G. Does the same thing on both boards. If the wifi doesn't work the boards are kinda useless to me. I disabled the wifi on the Killer and it stopped BSOD'ing while using a wired connection. Didn't bother to test it on the B350 Itx yet.  Will update later with the ram situation.

My 4th Asrock board with wifi.. so its a little frustrating the same issues are happening only with the 2200G.


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Posted By: JohnM
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2018 at 4:53am
Just a note that GPU-Z from TechPowerUp has been updated to version 2.8.0. It now works with Raven Ridge APUs without instantly crashing Windows.

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Posted By: JinxB1rd
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2018 at 5:01am
Dont forget the AIDA64 stability test. 

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Posted By: JohnM
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2018 at 5:14am
Originally posted by rjeftw rjeftw wrote:

Just started memtest86 at stock clocks... I'll check its progress a little bit later. Wifi was never an issue with my 1700 with my Killer or Taichi, Wifi has only been an issues with the 2200G. Does the same thing on both boards. If the wifi doesn't work the boards are kinda useless to me. I disabled the wifi on the Killer and it stopped BSOD'ing while using a wired connection. Didn't bother to test it on the B350 Itx yet.  Will update later with the ram situation.

My 4th Asrock board with wifi.. so its a little frustrating the same issues are happening only with the 2200G.

You'll eventually want to run MemTest86 with the same clocks as you plan to use Windows, but starting with stock is a good place to begin your troubleshooting.

Like I said, I avoid WiFi whenever possible. It's a convenience but no substitute for cabled Ethernet. I haven't even plugged my board's aerials in. You could try re-seating the WiFi card in its socket. It's just a PCIe 2.0 device and not even connected to the AM4 socket. It hangs off the Promontory chip so I don't see how changing from a Summit Ridge to a Raven Ridge processor could affect it.




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Posted By: rjeftw
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2018 at 5:47am
Originally posted by JohnM JohnM wrote:

Originally posted by rjeftw rjeftw wrote:

Just started memtest86 at stock clocks... I'll check its progress a little bit later. Wifi was never an issue with my 1700 with my Killer or Taichi, Wifi has only been an issues with the 2200G. Does the same thing on both boards. If the wifi doesn't work the boards are kinda useless to me. I disabled the wifi on the Killer and it stopped BSOD'ing while using a wired connection. Didn't bother to test it on the B350 Itx yet.  Will update later with the ram situation.

My 4th Asrock board with wifi.. so its a little frustrating the same issues are happening only with the 2200G.

You'll eventually want to run MemTest86 with the same clocks as you plan to use Windows, but starting with stock is a good place to begin your troubleshooting.

Like I said, I avoid WiFi whenever possible. It's a convenience but no substitute for cabled Ethernet. I haven't even plugged my board's aerials in. You could try re-seating the WiFi card in its socket. It's just a PCIe 2.0 device and not even connected to the AM4 socket. It hangs off the Promontory chip so I don't see how changing from a Summit Ridge to a Raven Ridge processor could affect it.



Yeah I get what you are saying... But this particular machine is going to need wifi. If it was my primary, I would be wired.

Originally posted by JinxB1rd JinxB1rd wrote:

Dont forget the AIDA64 stability test. 
I'll mess with that a little bit later. Just finished an hour on memtest no issues.


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Posted By: nanohead
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2018 at 7:59am
Adding some more observations.   Power plans aren't working correctly.  I've tried both High Performance and Ryzen Balanced (which generally runs the CPU at 100%), and clock speeds are still bouncing all over the place.   High Performance should put the clock to highest speed automatically, which is what it did when I had the Ryzen 5 1600 in the board before the 2400G

Also, just a suspicion that there aren't really "chipset" drivers for the 2400G.  The package we're downloading appears to be for the GPU portion.  The SMBus and GPIO are much older drivers in the same package (from last summer it seems) so I don't thing any of that is fundamentally changed.  Only the "Display Adapter" driver is new, at least on my installation.

The only other oddball behavior I noticed is an ugly memory leak on the Windows Audio Isolation Graph, which never happened before I installed the 2400G.   Not sure if it's related or just an weird coincidence.  If it happens again, it might be an error/bug with the HDMI Audio subsystem in the new GPU driver.  I remember there used to be an ugly collision between early AMD audio drivers and Realtek HDMI...


Posted By: JohnM
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2018 at 8:12am
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Originally posted by nanohead nanohead wrote:

clock speeds are still bouncing all over the place.

Isn't that what you'd expect when Cool 'n' Quiet is enabled?



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Posted By: Manu
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2018 at 10:02am
" rel="nofollow - Hi there :)

I have a Ryzen 3 2200G with ASRock B350M-HDV and the newest Beta BIOS (4.61)
but i cant find a option to set dram size for gpu...

Can anyone help?


Posted By: stree
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2018 at 7:03pm
Originally posted by Manu Manu wrote:

" rel="nofollow - Hi there :)

I have a Ryzen 3 2200G with ASRock B350M-HDV and the newest Beta BIOS (4.61)
but i cant find a option to set dram size for gpu...

Can anyone help?


Quite a few posts about that if you look around the forum  Try a search.
From posts and reviews  have seen it is hardly worth the trouble, if you allocate say 2 GB then all you do is deprive system ram permanently of 2GB, and if the GPU "wanted" 2 gb it would just pull it from system ram as needed and otherwise leave it in system ram.
Up to you.


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Posted By: JohnM
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2018 at 7:40pm
" rel="nofollow -
Originally posted by stree stree wrote:


From posts and reviews  have seen it is hardly worth the trouble, if you allocate say 2 GB then all you do is deprive system ram permanently of 2GB, and if the GPU "wanted" 2 gb it would just pull it from system ram as needed and otherwise leave it in system ram.
Up to you.

+1.

But if you still want to do it: http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7770&title=2400g-where-can-i-set-igpu-vram-size-in-bios

(Sorry, making it into a real hyperlink doesn't work as the "?" gets translated.)


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Posted By: nanohead
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2018 at 11:21pm
I have Cool and Quiet is Disabled.  I haven't used it in years.  Also, if you OC in BIOS, then you need to disable C&Q, otherwise the event log fills with all sorts of Processor Firmware error messages each time the firmware tries to throttle the CPU

Also, on my other machines, setting power to High Performance sets CPU to full and disables all other forms of throttling.




Posted By: PhoenixBuster
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2018 at 9:36am
" rel="nofollow - Can you guys help me? im using x370 gaming x and did not find any oc option for the apu other than the vram option, so i use the ryzen master program and everytime i oc my apu clockspeed over the 1250mhz my pc start to freeze and crash... i try changing apu core voltage and other but still crashing all the time... do you guys have any solution?


Posted By: hurtz
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2018 at 10:36am
Originally posted by rjeftw rjeftw wrote:

I have been getting BSOD's with DPC_Watchdog_Violations nonstop on my 2200G or Asrock B350 ITX with Bios 4.40 and now with 4.43. I also setup a new windows 10 USB install, which should have the creators update. Happens mainly during downloading anything heavily.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


This is exactly what's happening to me on the AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac with a 2400G, BIOS 4.43. It's as you describe while downloading using the wireless will freeze and / or throw the DPC_Watchdog_Violation errorr Curious to know if you figured anything out yet.


Posted By: slicingblade
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2018 at 11:00am
Originally posted by hurtz hurtz wrote:

Originally posted by rjeftw rjeftw wrote:

I have been getting BSOD's with DPC_Watchdog_Violations nonstop on my 2200G or Asrock B350 ITX with Bios 4.40 and now with 4.43. I also setup a new windows 10 USB install, which should have the creators update. Happens mainly during downloading anything heavily.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


This is exactly what's happening to me on the AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac with a 2400G, BIOS 4.43. It's as you describe while downloading using the wireless will freeze and / or throw the DPC_Watchdog_Violation errorr Curious to know if you figured anything out yet.

I was having the same issue, So far it seems fixed after downloading the newest driver for the wireless from intel.


Posted By: hurtz
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2018 at 11:03am
Originally posted by slicingblade slicingblade wrote:

I was having the same issue, So far it seems fixed after downloading the newest driver for the wireless from intel.

That was the very first thing I did was updated wireless driver. Currently running 19.51.11.2.


Posted By: slicingblade
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2018 at 11:21am
I'm also on 19.51.11.2
After installing it I haven't seen a BSOD even with downloading a 300mb file


Posted By: max01
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2018 at 11:27am
I'm hoping someone can help me
i put together a rig with a Asrock b350 mitx and a ryzen 2400g
i clean installed Windows 10 1709
I have a recurring BSOD specifically stating VIDEO_TDR_FAILURE and specially atikmpag.sys

Ive tried alot of the things people have suggested. Most recently I cleaned out drivers using the AMD un-installer, then installed the Ryzen CPU drivers first and then installed the Raedon video drivers. Constant issue still occurring . Whats funny , it seems like a specific function is doing it, for example , when i use the CleanMyPC programs, it will ALWAYS BSOD while scanning my computer. Any suggestions, tips tricks, anything i've missed. Do you all think this is a simple driver issue that might get corrected soon because im about to give up. Thanks for the help


Posted By: slicingblade
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2018 at 11:50am
Originally posted by slicingblade slicingblade wrote:


After installing it I haven't seen a BSOD even with downloading a 300mb file

I had to temp the fates, After moving the computer to its home location away from the router I just had another BCD_Watchdog BSOD from another small download. It almost looks like the driver is crashing if it drops enough packets, and takes everything with it.


Posted By: CoreySmith1200
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2018 at 2:31pm
I am also on the mini ITX B350 with 2400g and get the same VIDEO_TDR_FAILURE a lot. I have tried everything everywhere, windows newest version for fresh install, driver orders, down clocking, disabling features, etc. I cannot find anyway to fix it for sure but down clocking my ram seemed to help reduce the frequency of occurrence little bit (from stock 3200 to 2800 on the ram) (I am Memtesting ram rn btw to check). I also disabled CPU SMT as it helps for games ALOT but that may be unrelated to your problem.

I also get a lot of stuttering ever 5-15 seconds on most games seemingly randomly, an example being Rust.

Specs:
ASRock fatality mini ITX b350
2400g
corsair vengeance 2x8gb 3200 Mhz (this ram is on supported raven ridge list for this mobo)



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Posted By: JohnM
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2018 at 8:26pm
@max01, @CoreySmith1200 Some applications that probe hardware seem to cause crashes with these new APUs. For example, TechPowerUp GPU-Z would cause an instant crash on launch but this has been fixed with version 2.8.0. So, yes, it looks as though there are issues that are being worked out.

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Posted By: max01
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2018 at 4:38am
Well should i stick with this build .... or ditch the APU and return it and get a different CPU and a dedicated GPU
I love this build, when it works well its great for the price point , but the BSODs are killing me right now
Anybody have a sense when an upgraded driver might come up to rule out the driver


Posted By: max01
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2018 at 4:46am
quick followup - on the driver notes it says
"AMD has noted a potential system crash while running certain OpenCL applications like Linpack-DGEMM & Indigo benchmark. AMD is currently testing a solution to this issue and an updated driver will be released very shortly. Please visit amd.com for updates."
Hopefully this occurs quickly rule out a driver issue


Posted By: JohnM
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2018 at 5:35am
Originally posted by max01 max01 wrote:

Well should i stick with this build

Only you can answer that one but given that you "love" it and the fact that there will obviously be both a new BIOS and new Radeon driver coming along soon I'd hang in there.


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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2018 at 5:50am
" rel="nofollow - can you identify the software thats causing the problem and use a different one until the updates ?


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Posted By: max01
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2018 at 9:32am
Right now ... whenever i do a scan on CleanMyPC , i get that BSOD 100% of the time .... i also get a BSOD in different times, sometimes i could be on chrome, sometimes during start up. Problem goes away when i delete the AMD video driver and use the basic windows driver


Posted By: CoreySmith1200
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2018 at 2:11pm
Just some more 2400g issues I am having so anyone else can relate, ur not alone in this storm comrades!

I have an issue where my screen will turn a solid color with any sound continuing to play, and the computer will be able to respond to keystrokes like mute audio or something. It is easy to reproduce the solid color when playing FurMark, but it happens elsewhere. Hitting my physical power button on the PC will shut down the computer, not before the solid color randomly changes to another solid color however.

Also when computer is in extended sleep it will not be able to come back from sleep at all some times, showing no video signal when pressing the power on button or clicking with the mouse/keyboard.

I have also have an issue where a game will crash and say something like "unable to access 0000 0108 or FFFF FFFF" of a local addressable space, not sure if that is related to the cpu/iGPU managing its memory share or something that causes conflicts, but I never had that problem on my other computers playing the same game for hours.

These are all in addition to:
- various blue screen errors... commonly being the VIDEO TDR issue
- Instant crash when trying to overclock the iGPU even the slightest (+50MHz) with AMD Master software
- frequent frame drops and stutters in games

My best solutions (based on my results) to reducing the frequency of occurrences, beyond the common recommended setup instructions, is to down clock RAM, turn of SMT in bios (good for certain games), and slightly down clock iGPU.

2400g
ASRock mini ITX fatality Mobo
16gb Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3200 (stock)


Posted By: stree
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2018 at 6:37pm
" rel="nofollow - CoreySmith 1200,
there is one item in your list  that I have too, thankfully none of the others.
I had an issue with the sleep function being missing, this was restored by installing the chipset and graphics drivers in the right order.

However, after extended sleep it will not respond or reboot, if I do a power down and power up i get the same screen as if waking from sleep..........Maybe the ACPI wake on keyboard function is at fault? The powerplan sleep arrangments all look as they should so pointless changing anything there.


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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2018 at 2:31am
" rel="nofollow - coreysmith

are you running that corsiar at xmp 3200 ?

if so i would suspect an issue with the sub timings causing instability

further backed up by your statement that its better downclocked


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Posted By: stree
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2018 at 3:01am
DatonyB
Funny you should mention that Corsair Vengeance.
As I said to you in another thread, I was having a go with mine, Vengeance LPX 3200C16 2x 8 GB kit,
it seems happy enough to go into its XMP state, 3200 @ 1.35 volts, and boots into BIOS and windows OK..........But after an hour or so I was getting blue screens........and not really had many of those since win 98!  and had no option except to do a windows restart. So lots of stuff gone and/or scattered all over the place.So the Corsair is going on Ebay along with some quad Crucial 16GB 2400, which should get me enough for some decent ish G-skill.
So your point to Coreysmith may well be getting to the cause of the problem.



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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2018 at 3:09am
stree corsair does seem to not be the best friend to ryzen

it is better now than at launch ,but that is more to do with bios managing the preset corsair xmp numbers better than any advancement with corsair r&d

the gskill b dies are better ,but hey weve still had to help some guys alter the xmp timings to be more stable ,and in some cases it actually performs better with tighter timings and is more stable
am4 is a very different beast to intel ...................


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Posted By: CoreySmith1200
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2018 at 3:33am
Datonyb

Yes, the only way I can seem to get past 2133 is with XMP enabled, I turn off XMP and my ram goes down to 2133.

My exact ram Module is shown on my mobo Memory QVL (Raven Ridge):
http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/Fatal1ty%20AB350%20Gaming-ITXac/index.asp#MemoryRR" rel="nofollow - http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/Fatal1ty%20AB350%20Gaming-ITXac/index.asp#MemoryRR
as:
CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 Samsung B
So I figured it would be all fine and dandy. I have noticed that it does say that anything over 2667 with XMP could be unstable depending on the CPU compatibilities.

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I just tried running FUR Mark with XMP off, 2133, and I got error code with blue screen, I got code Thread_Stuck_In_Device_Driver and Video_TDR separate occasions immediately after the slightest iGPU overclock. Also I see no off for XMP so I figured "Auto" is off.

I think it is also worth mentioning that at one point I could not get my PC to even post, It would be stuck on an endless boot loop. I finally solved it buy unplugging and plugging the ram back in. at the time my ram was at 3200 XMP.

I have also ran Memtest86+ with XMP 3200 for about 10 Horus and nothing showed up. Additionally Prime 95 doesn't seem to cause the issue when I use the option most taxing on the ram.

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Posted By: stree
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2018 at 3:34am
I remain pleasantly surprised by this Crucial 2x8 16GB 2400 kit.. Clocks to 2933 at 1.35 and 104 SOCC offset and just behaves.......not a tad more than 2933 or just falls over, but a decent standby and probably enough for my non  gaming machine
If I do get the urge for Gskill 3200 ish, then the crucial can go in my other build, 2200G.


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Posted By: stree
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2018 at 3:40am
" rel="nofollow - CoreySmith..........I have to ask.. have you used XMP before this machine?  First time I used XMP ever was only a couple of weeks ago  on this current build...and I did not realise I had to scrolll down and save the profile, then save then exit......So of course XMP never got actually instituted, just highlighted and not saved as the preferred option to run with !
So maybe, just maybe..?

PS Just noticed what you said about the ram having Samsung B Die.......I doubt it..... not on C16.......and I bet your timings are 16-18-18-18.........if so, Hynix Dram


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Posted By: CoreySmith1200
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2018 at 3:44am
" rel="nofollow - My whole PC is brand new shipped less than a week ago, so I can return anything still. should I swap out the RAM for G Skill? I saw G Skill had a RAM kit marketed specifically towards AM4 with a price markup, is that something worth getting, or just non sense?

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Posted By: CoreySmith1200
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2018 at 3:48am
" rel="nofollow - stree

I have been out of the custom PC game since around 2012, So I am not familiar with XMP.

Is there a way to even get 3200 without XMP? I will check my bios rn


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Posted By: stree
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2018 at 3:48am
I ask myself the same !  it is tough.............OK if you have the resources for the top end stuff but still not guaranteed problem free...........Others may help you decide better than I can...I am still debating it myself


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Posted By: CoreySmith1200
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2018 at 3:52am
my ram is exactly the "CMK16GX4M2B3200C16" on ASRock it says that is Samsung Bm thats the only reason I put It there. My timings on the bios XMP show 16-18-18-36

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Posted By: JohnM
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2018 at 8:13am
" rel="nofollow - @CoreySmith1200 What exactly are you trying to achieve? What would make you happy?

Let me tell you a little about my situation. I'm not interested in overclocking my 2400G. I'm happy with the CPU and GPU at stock. The only thing I have done is slightly overclock my Corsair Vengeance RAM from its rated 2666 MHz to 2933 MHz. That enables the rest of the processor (the "uncore") to run at its optimum speed - anything more would be an overclock of the processor.  Note that the APUs have a higher optimum uncore speed than 1000-series Ryzens (2666 MHz). I ought to have bought faster RAM but I originally planned to get an R5 1500X and changed my mind and got the 2400G instead. But I was lucky and was able to run my RAM at the slightly higher speed simply by selecting XMP and then 2933 from the drop down menu. I didn't have to change anything else to achieve this.

Right now it's very stable, otherwise I would have reverted to 2666. The only BSODs I've had in the last few days were due to a bug in GPU-Z (fixed in the latest version) and from testing the WiFi card - I don't normally use this because cabled Ethernet is better in every respect but I tried it in order to help someone else.


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Posted By: max01
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2018 at 8:59am
i also have corsair ram .. since the APU draws from the ram , could it be the cause of my video errors .... anyone with non-corsair ram getting that video driver BSOD. thanks


Posted By: CoreySmith1200
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2018 at 12:16pm
" rel="nofollow - I have noticed nothing bad about the G Skill Flare made for AMD Ryzen, AMD even sends that ram with all their ryzen review units. I bought a pair of 3200MHz 2x8gb (14-14-14-34) off Newegg as there is a $30 sale right now, still expensive at $220 ($15 more than my corsair but better timings so its ok). I am returning the corsair as the pc just doesn't like it at all. I will get the G.Skill Flare Monday and post my results before I reinstall anything so that I am able to compare to the corsair ram.

In case anyone is interested here is the link for the sale till Thursday:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232530


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Posted By: davemc
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2018 at 7:16pm
" rel="nofollow -
Apologies if this has already been answered! I've looked high and low and haven't been able to find it.

I have a 2400G and AB350M Pro 4 - I can't for the life of me figure out how to set the APU GFX speed in the BIOS.  I'm able to set it in Ryzen Master - but then every time I reboot it defaults back to 200Mhz until I go back into Ryzen Master and set it again.

Is this able to be set in the BIOS? Where is that setting?


Posted By: JohnM
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2018 at 9:12pm
Originally posted by davemc davemc wrote:

" rel="nofollow -
Apologies if this has already been answered! I've looked high and low and haven't been able to find it.
Different board but the BIOS menu structure should be similar - does this help: http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7805&title=how-can-i-oc-my-2400g-vga-from-ab350mhdv-bios



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Posted By: nanohead
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2018 at 4:12am
Here's some ideas for those having 2400G/2200G problems.

A few things for the people having what they believe to be DRAM problems.  First of all, XMP does exactly the same thing as setting the memory values manually, it just reads the data from the SPD, which is a database of sorts for memory settings.  XMP is nothing magical, and in theory, its what the DRAM chips soldered to the the little PCBs should be capable of doing reliably.

Next, the Ryzen 2200G/2400G is only specced to DDR4 2933, not 3200.  Many of the people saying they're getting BSOD at those higher memory rates might be operating out of the band of where the DRAM controller in the Ryzen is capable of with their particular configuration.  I'm running perfectly fine at an XMP of 2933 with  both GSKILL Aegis and Crucial.  

Next, for those getting a BSOD with things like CPUZ, Cleanmypc, or other utilities, these things generally load a low level filter driver at windows runtime (startup).  AIDA has already had a couple of small updates that stabilized theirs.  Not sure about how fast all the freeware software people can update.   If you get a BSOD with Cleanmypc, then simply don't use it.  Those things are mostly useless (they may make you feel good, but they don't do much that is really useful)

Next, the video problems that seem driver software related and are causing crashes appear to be related to power management.  There is something definitely borked with the current Ryzen power plans, as well as the way the 2400G/2200G are handling low power states, sleep, and screen sleep.  The windows power plans are not working correctly with these CPUs.  They are doing something, but even with Cool and Quiet off (this is mostly unnecessary at this point anyway), and the CPU set to 100% in the power plan, the cores continue to throttle all over the place.

If you overclock, or hard set the CPU multi from the BIOS, and Cool and Quiet are on, then you will get mountains of firmware errors in the event log, because Windows tries to throttle the CPU, but the BIOS fights it and overrides the throttling.



Posted By: Starfire
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2018 at 5:57am
For me it was without a doubt the wifi driver crashing my system, once I go wired it's perfect. No surprise intel crashing AMD


Posted By: davemc
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2018 at 12:35am
" rel="nofollow - I can't see any of those options in the AB350M Pro 4 BIOS unfortunately, only options to change the memory allocated to the internal graphics.

Anyone else had any luck?


Posted By: cubebucket
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2018 at 8:22am
I can confirm that to solve my drivers problem I had to do, in order:

- fresh install of windows 10 build 1709
- Windows updates
- AMD chipset drivers setup
- AMD video+audio drivers setup
- Intel wlan drivers setup
- update Bluetooth drivers

I did not install realtek audio drivers since everything was already working fine.

I obviously got the latest drivers from AMD and Intel website.

On asrock AB350 gaming itx + Ryzen 3 2200g

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Posted By: DansDrives
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2018 at 2:20am
" rel="nofollow -
Originally posted by cubebucket cubebucket wrote:

I can confirm that to solve my drivers problem I had to do, in order:

- fresh install of windows 10 build 1709
- Windows updates
- AMD chipset drivers setup
- AMD video+audio drivers setup
- Intel wlan drivers setup
- update Bluetooth drivers

I did not install realtek audio drivers since everything was already working fine.

I obviously got the latest drivers from AMD and Intel website.

On asrock AB350 gaming itx + Ryzen 3 2200g

I'm running the same build. Can you do me a huge favor and link to the drivers you used? This thing is driving me insane. 


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Posted By: dafuq
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2018 at 12:34pm
" rel="nofollow - I just got the Ryzen 2400G but something is not right

Specs
Ryzen 5 2400G
2x4gb 2400mhz Ram
ASROCK FATAL1TY AB350 GAMING-ITX/AC
240gb SSD
Bios 4.50

Tried playing CSGO and only got 100fps sometimes drop to 80fps at 1280x1024 resolution with all settings at low.

How come others with 2200G can get 200+fps?


My 5 year old laptop gets more FPS than my new pc.


Posted By: DansDrives
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2018 at 2:21am
Fixed the blue screen error caused by the Intel drivers by using an external USB 3.0 wireless adapter since ASRock can't seem to get it together. 

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DansDrives.com / RainCitySupercars.com


Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2018 at 3:02am
" rel="nofollow -
Originally posted by DansDrives DansDrives wrote:

Fixed the blue screen error caused by the Intel drivers by using an external USB 3.0 wireless adapter since ASRock can't seem to get it together. 


did you try the intel driver detect direct from intel ? its a lot better in my case


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Posted By: DansDrives
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2018 at 1:24am
Yep, but this PC is on 24/7 and it still blue screens 3-4x a day. Zero problems since completely disabling the Intel adapter and using a TP-Link adapter. Faster too. 

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DansDrives.com / RainCitySupercars.com


Posted By: bogrus
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2019 at 1:49am
My VIDEO_TDR_FAILURE (in all games) solved:

TEAM 8 GB DDR4 2400 MHz switch to 2133 MHz from bios

System:
A320M-HDV R3.0
AMD Athlon??200GE Radeon??Vega 3



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