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Topic: Taichi x399 new bios?
Posted By: Meluto
Subject: Taichi x399 new bios?
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2018 at 6:00am
I was just wondering if among our power users is there knowledge of any news in relation with a new bios for the x399 platform coming any time soon, I really would like to see a new agesa the allow us to optimize our expensive memories.

Thanks in advance for the info


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Taichi x399 MB
64GB RAM G.Skill - 2x F4-3200C16Q-32GTZR kits
Threadripper 1950x
EKWB water loop, XSPC CPU block
550MX 1Tb ssd & 12Tb hdd
2x EVGA SC BE 1080 ti
SB AE-5 sound
Phantek Enthoo Primo case



Replies:
Posted By: TANWare
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2018 at 5:42pm
" rel="nofollow - Are you not able to get the 3200 from your kit?


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2018 at 1:03am
@TANWare --- some of us still are waiting for a golden UEFI update. And it angers me personallly when I check all the updates that are made for AM4 platform but not for the "so called premium" TR4 platform.

On the other hand --- I own both platforms (X370 Fatal1ty Pro Gaming and X399 Fatal1ty Pro Gaming) and X370 runs my memory kit with the max manufacturer specs (4x 16GB 3200 CL14) the other one I was not able to pass above 2933 stable (tried virtually everything incl. fine tuning all the parameters according to different threads, calculators and recommendations). Exactly same kit, even used same modules in both as a test.

So - TL;DR yes, we are still waiting and I am getting a little bit pi**ed @ AMD... 
E.g. See the comments in the lastest post about new ryzen desktop cpus here:
https://community.amd.com/community/gaming" rel="nofollow - https://community.amd.com/community/gaming



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-=SoniC=-
TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: Meluto
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2018 at 3:41am
Originally posted by TANWare TANWare wrote:

" rel="nofollow - Are you not able to get the 3200 from your kit?

Sadly no, and as SoniC says, I have also tried anything within my knowledge (I consider myself an enthusiast, not an expert). Up to 2800 mhz it behaves well, not perfect as sometimes do not post, but eventually will. One step beyond has been simply impossible.

I also hope Asrock does not forget us X399 users.



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Taichi x399 MB
64GB RAM G.Skill - 2x F4-3200C16Q-32GTZR kits
Threadripper 1950x
EKWB water loop, XSPC CPU block
550MX 1Tb ssd & 12Tb hdd
2x EVGA SC BE 1080 ti
SB AE-5 sound
Phantek Enthoo Primo case


Posted By: TANWare
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2018 at 2:25pm
Sorry to hear guys. I have a 3466 kit that runs fine, did not know there were so many others out there still waiting. I purchased mine with the express information that the kit was Ryzen compatible.


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2018 at 2:34pm
" rel="nofollow - How many modules and RAM in total. Double sided or single sided? Which die?

Mine can run perfectly fine with two modules only. 
4 and you are stuck to 2933.

But mine is 4x 16 GB (DS, Samsung B-Die, G.Skill F4-3200C14-16GVR) and that is the problem --- memory controller seem to have a problem with Quad Channel and high speed DS modules.




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-=SoniC=-
TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: TANWare
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2018 at 5:18pm
I am 4 chips, 8gb each. these specifically; https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx%3cItem=N82E16820233916" rel="nofollow - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233916  . I think they are single sided, not too sure.


Posted By: TANWare
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2018 at 5:40pm
" rel="nofollow -

Not sure but is there a way to change timmings? mine is 1T but maybe the dual rank chips need 2T?



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x399 Taichi, 1950x, 32GB 3466 DDR4
2x500GB 960EVO,Asus 1080TI
http://www.pcambrosia.com/images/PassmarkEVO960_e.jpg" rel="nofollow - Passmark


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2018 at 10:42pm
" rel="nofollow - TANWare, these are Single Sided modules.
Single Sided x4 doesn't have a problem on the TR platform.

>>Not sure but is there a way to change timmings? mine is 1T but maybe the dual rank chips need 2T?
believe me my friend when I say this --- I have touched every goddamn timing you can imagine.
Not only the Command Rate or Geardown... this would be just to freakin' easy & simple (and actually this was the very first I have changed according to the memory specs and the timings my AM4 runs flawlessly on -- remember I have a direct comparison between X370 and X399).

I changed every freakin timing you can think of which was posted on the Overclocker's forums, I have changed every freakin timing that was recommended by the RyZEN DRAM Calculator (tried several versions also the newest 1.0.0 b3) and also different pre-defined recommendations, starting from safe / alternative moving to fast and extreme (and also fine-tuning the safe by myself).

Consider me a geek that did virtually everything imaginable to make it run stable on TR4 - same as the AM4. Including disassembling the TR4 UEFIs, flashing different UEFI releases and mixing different UEFI modules between versions altogether...

TR4 needs an AGESA update to be on par with AM4.
Last one is 5 or 6 months old (1.0.0.4) which can be compared to the release level of 1.0.0.5 or pre-1.0.0.6 of the AM4 platform.


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-=SoniC=-
TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: Meluto
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2018 at 11:13pm
Originally posted by SoniC SoniC wrote:


TR4 needs an AGESA update to be on par with AM4.
Last one is 5 or 6 months old (1.0.0.4) which can be compared to the release level of 1.0.0.5 or pre-1.0.0.6 of the AM4 platform.

Amen


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Taichi x399 MB
64GB RAM G.Skill - 2x F4-3200C16Q-32GTZR kits
Threadripper 1950x
EKWB water loop, XSPC CPU block
550MX 1Tb ssd & 12Tb hdd
2x EVGA SC BE 1080 ti
SB AE-5 sound
Phantek Enthoo Primo case


Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2018 at 12:06am
Someone needs to open an AMD Support Ticket and ask if a new AGESA has been released for TR.  If so, we can start leaning on ASRock!  Enjoy, John.

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Fat1 X399 Pro Gaming, TR 1950X, RAID0 3xSamsung SSD 960 EVO, G.SKILL FlareX F4-3200C14Q-32GFX, Win 10 x64 Pro, Enermx Platimax 850, Enermx Liqtech TR4 CPU Cooler, Radeon RX580, BIOS 2.00, 2xHDDs WD


Posted By: TANWare
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2018 at 5:32am
I think with Meltdown and Spectre most Bois people are bust elsewhere.

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x399 Taichi, 1950x, 32GB 3466 DDR4
2x500GB 960EVO,Asus 1080TI
http://www.pcambrosia.com/images/PassmarkEVO960_e.jpg" rel="nofollow - Passmark


Posted By: TANWare
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2018 at 6:26am
A few more issues to overcome.
 
1.) while TR is a premium product it in no way is their lucrative one. The standard Ryzen is a much larger market to cater too.
 
2.) In a few short weeks we will see new chips and possibly issues with the up to 8 core 12nm chips.  AMD and Asrock need to get ready.
 
So we could be relegated to waiting for the new 2950x and newer chips being released before we start seeing some Bios goodness.
 
I'll note I hope I am wrong on this!


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x399 Taichi, 1950x, 32GB 3466 DDR4
2x500GB 960EVO,Asus 1080TI
http://www.pcambrosia.com/images/PassmarkEVO960_e.jpg" rel="nofollow - Passmark


Posted By: JayB33
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2018 at 7:35am
If they delay making a new BIOS for their premium platform for too long or skip it altogether, then people will think twice before buying the next one. Surely people don't have the enthusiasm to buy another £1000 worth of hardware or more with the worry of RAM incompatibilities and BIOS bugs that may never be fixed.


Posted By: TANWare
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2018 at 9:58am
Originally posted by JayB33 JayB33 wrote:

If they delay making a new BIOS for their premium platform for too long or skip it altogether, then people will think twice before buying the next one. Surely people don't have the enthusiasm to buy another £1000 worth of hardware or more with the worry of RAM incompatibilities and BIOS bugs that may never be fixed.
 
Agreed, it stinks they are taking so long but this is the way a free market works, the grease goes to where the money is. I think they thought the TR was going to be more of a premium seller to the small businesses that can use the compute power. It just does not seem to have happened.


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x399 Taichi, 1950x, 32GB 3466 DDR4
2x500GB 960EVO,Asus 1080TI
http://www.pcambrosia.com/images/PassmarkEVO960_e.jpg" rel="nofollow - Passmark


Posted By: daddyo
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2018 at 2:28am
With the issues I've had trying to get the onboard RAID to work on my x399 taichi (I've given up), I don't think I'll ever buy another high end AMD platform. I'd rather pay the premium with intel and know things will work.

This is not entirely unrelated to this thread, as it pertains to getting a stable platform out. Live and learn.


Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2018 at 4:29am
daddyo, Please don't give up, I think I have figured it all out.  If you will tell me what you want to do, I will provide the instructions of how to do it.  Works well for my 3 SSD NVMe RAID0 system disk.  Enjoy, John.


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Fat1 X399 Pro Gaming, TR 1950X, RAID0 3xSamsung SSD 960 EVO, G.SKILL FlareX F4-3200C14Q-32GFX, Win 10 x64 Pro, Enermx Platimax 850, Enermx Liqtech TR4 CPU Cooler, Radeon RX580, BIOS 2.00, 2xHDDs WD


Posted By: daddyo
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 8:26am
" rel="nofollow -
Originally posted by MisterJ MisterJ wrote:

daddyo, Please don't give up, I think I have figured it all out.  If you will tell me what you want to do, I will provide the instructions of how to do it.  Works well for my 3 SSD NVMe RAID0 system disk.  Enjoy, John.


You're a good man, and I truly appreciate your dedication to the community.

In the interest of learning something, I'll tell you what I initially wanted to build.

I have a single SATA SSD which is my current boot drive, and want to keep it as such. I have a PCIE nmve SSD which is a cache drive, which I want to keep as such. I also have 2x10tb SATA disks and 2x2TB SATA SSD's that are currently 4 independent volumes, all under AHCI in my UEFI.

What I wanted to do was have the 2x2TB SSD's as a RAID1 volume, and the 2x10TB drives as another RAID 1 volume, both for data storage, while the single SATA SSD would be the boot drive, and the single PCIE NVME SSD be a cache drive for tasks like video editing (This is my home post production workstation)...

Does that make sense?

I could never get the single boot drive to be recognized under windows setup after my attempts at designating it as a single RAID container in UEFI RAID2.0 mode. So I basically gave up and built the system in AHCI, which worked just fine. I tried just about everything in the UEFI, I never could get it to be a drive Windows would consider as bootable (although it would "see it" in the drive list after loading all the RAID drivers during the pre loading phase). There's nothing wrong with the drive, it's a samsung 950 PRO, pretty standard and proven to work in previous builds. I just couldn't get past installing Windows on it....


Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 9:22am
daddyo, I think this is doable but some work, all for you.  I learned several things working with AMD Support.  I have a 3xNVMe RAID0 (960 EVOs) as my W10 drive.  I have NVMe mode set to RAID and SATA mode to AHCI (2 SATA HDDs and a DVD).  I think the secret for you is to leave your NVMe in NVMe mode and set the SATA mode to RAID.  Now this will require that all SATA drives be in a RAID.  The RAID can be your RAID1s, while your individual SATA drives would be VOLUME.  If you have SATA optical drives they should be moved to the ASMedia SATA connectors (seems like you have a X399 Taichi).  Would be work but could be fun.  If you get more interested, I will make you a more detailed step-by-step.  Enjoy, John.


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Fat1 X399 Pro Gaming, TR 1950X, RAID0 3xSamsung SSD 960 EVO, G.SKILL FlareX F4-3200C14Q-32GFX, Win 10 x64 Pro, Enermx Platimax 850, Enermx Liqtech TR4 CPU Cooler, Radeon RX580, BIOS 2.00, 2xHDDs WD


Posted By: daddyo
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 9:58am
Mr J,
Thanks for responding, you are right in your assessment.  I have the Taichi.

I did try to create a VOLUME for my boot drive while my SATA mode was in "RAID". This is the part that failed. I would see my VOLUME in UEFI, and it would show during windows setup once I loaded the AMD RAID drivers (all 3 steps).

But windows kept saying this was not a bootable drive and could not proceed with installation... Perhaps a more detailed explanation of the volume creation procedure is required. I tried it different ways, no dice.

This said, if reconfiguring my system to the ideal profile will require a complete reinstallation of windows (which I suspect it will) let me stop you right here. It's not worth the effort. Installing windows is the easy part. I have so much software to configure that it takes me days to get this workstation where I need it to be. I'd rather deal with not having drives in RAID than spend days reinstalling programs...

I come from Intel high end platforms, where RAID is mature and I never expected to have so many problems to get it going.


Posted By: MisterJ
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2018 at 12:46am
daddyo, I am almost sure you would need to do a Delete Array on all your drives to create RAIDs.  This would include your system drive.  After creating the VOLUME, you would need to install W10 on it.  AMD says better things are coming but, of course, no time frame given.  I have no experience with Intel but have created several RAIDs on AMD based systems and was really surprised with the mess this TR is.  There may be a time when you can simply create the real RAIDs you want (no VOLUMEs) and go on your way.  Being an optimist, I would hope to get a RAID5 also.  I have never asked AMD about RAID5 but was stunned when I saw it was not offered.  Enjoy, John.


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Fat1 X399 Pro Gaming, TR 1950X, RAID0 3xSamsung SSD 960 EVO, G.SKILL FlareX F4-3200C14Q-32GFX, Win 10 x64 Pro, Enermx Platimax 850, Enermx Liqtech TR4 CPU Cooler, Radeon RX580, BIOS 2.00, 2xHDDs WD


Posted By: Meluto
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2018 at 5:12pm
So, I think Asrock holds not as a priority this MB and I should not expect a new Bios for X399 platform any time soon

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Taichi x399 MB
64GB RAM G.Skill - 2x F4-3200C16Q-32GTZR kits
Threadripper 1950x
EKWB water loop, XSPC CPU block
550MX 1Tb ssd & 12Tb hdd
2x EVGA SC BE 1080 ti
SB AE-5 sound
Phantek Enthoo Primo case


Posted By: mixmasstrw
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2018 at 11:58pm

I am also waiting for Asrock to update the bios for x399.
Like some of You, I am counting on accelerating the memory after the update of AGESA -

Which in my opinion should have been introduced on this platform a long time ago.
G.Skill F4-3200C16Q-32GTZB running daily on auto (around 2200 not 3200).

It's hard to turn it up on my personal rig, I tried it a bit (certainly not long enough), but without success.



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AZ


Posted By: TANWare
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2018 at 12:56am
TBH I do not think any X399 system holds priority for any manufacturer. TR system sale were so minimal compared to others that they will tend to follow the money. That and AGESA seems to be behind for the x399 as well compared to x370 etc..

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x399 Taichi, 1950x, 32GB 3466 DDR4
2x500GB 960EVO,Asus 1080TI
http://www.pcambrosia.com/images/PassmarkEVO960_e.jpg" rel="nofollow - Passmark


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2018 at 1:47am
Let's hope they will wake up when TR+ will be coming and then we will receive some support...

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-=SoniC=-
TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: mixmasstrw
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2018 at 8:51pm
I wrote to them in this matter, but I received only a general answer. Unfortunately, I think that the new bios on our platform will not come quickly :/

"yes, I guess so AMD will provide new AGESA code in future.
But I do not have any information when and if the memory module improvement inside.
I will forward your request to our BIOS department and inform AMD as well.

At this moment, only thing I can say is check from time to time the BIOS download page.

Best regards,

ASRock Support"


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AZ


Posted By: TANWare
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 6:10am
It kind of sux, to say the least. I love the power of the TR platform but hate being the odd man out.

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x399 Taichi, 1950x, 32GB 3466 DDR4
2x500GB 960EVO,Asus 1080TI
http://www.pcambrosia.com/images/PassmarkEVO960_e.jpg" rel="nofollow - Passmark


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2018 at 7:42am
FYI, ASRock does not produce the AGESA code. That comes from AMD. And ONLY AMD.



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