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Topic: Warning to users with older video cards
Posted By: cristy6100
Subject: Warning to users with older video cards
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2018 at 9:19pm
This is a warning to users with video cards older than GTX 7xx (GT7xx including) and AMD 2xx
Latest BIOS versions in the 4.xx range that offer support for Raven Ridge removed the CSM module for video boot with older not GOP bios, so if you plug in a video card without GOP (UEFI)/Hybrid BIOS you will have no signal on the monitor. This is regardless of CPU, this affects Summit/Pinnacle/Bristol/Raven Ridge, its just that ASRock decided to remove the CSM module from the current UEFI versions.
Some of the GTX 680/690 will have GOP/Hybrid bios, some do not, some HD7870/7950/7970 have Hybrid bios but many do not.
As far as the HD7990 is concerned it comes with UEFI bios from the factory.
All HD6xxx have older bios so they will not boot.

Just a heads-up for anyone trying a video card from those series on a ASRock AM4 motherboard with UEFI in the 4.xx range, the 2.xx, 3.xx range has the CSM module present so they are not affected.




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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2018 at 4:01am
" rel="nofollow - Dare I ask from where this info was gleaned from?


Posted By: kerberos_20
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2018 at 4:25am
my gtx 1060 has also issues with csm
gtx 760 had no issues
gtx 1060 fails with csm off, also in csm enabled its missing gpu switch for legacy/uefi
unable to have 1080p uefi qq
bios 4.60


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Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2018 at 5:03am
Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

" rel="nofollow - Dare I ask from where this info was gleaned from?


Or did you learn of this via the Support Ticket you opened earlier?


Posted By: cristy6100
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2018 at 7:49pm
I learned it when I tested 3 video cards, a HD6970 a GTX 580 and a GTX 680, they did not boot at all instead the integrated graphics switched on and booted, no video card was detected in Windows, the cards were plugged in correctly, everything was in order.
Then I enabled CSM and saw there is no module for video cards with older bios, it was removed in 4.xx
Test it and see for yourself
I can confirm this in AB350 ITX and X370 ITX running 4.51
And yes the 3 video cards boot with no problems in other sistems
The bios sets the primary graphics to PCIe from default si its not that either, and switching the integrated graphics to disabled did not help, but why should it when the bios does not the the initialization module for video cards without GOP bios....


Posted By: kerberos_20
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2018 at 4:20am
well in my case if i disable csm, it beeps 5 times, then it restarts and csm gets enabled
smt funky is there
coz csm is for legacy stuffs
and my gpu has uefi bios (gpu-z says so) as it is gtx 1060, but it cant run atm in uefi mode
but my gtx 760 has legacy/uefi switch working in csm


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Posted By: cristy6100
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2018 at 6:56pm
Clearly a problem here, I did not try with a card that has UEFI bios yet, but I plugged in a trusty nVidia Quadro NVS290 (this thing is over 11 years old and still works in Windows 10, I use it at work to test PCIe slot/motherboards for defects)  and again no boot with it, this never happend on any system, even first gen PCIe 1.x motherboards, like the 775 with intel 915 chipset boots this card...
Strange indeed, and I dont have a Bristol Ridge to downgrade the bios to 3.xx to test out, I just sold both of mine dammit....
If you have a Summit Ridge, try and downgrade to Bridge Bios but not lower until someone confirms the downgrade is safe.
Need to find a video card with UEFI and test more.
I am waiting for ASRock respones regarding all the bugs I found, but no reply yet from the support team.



Posted By: kerberos_20
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2018 at 4:36am
csmvideo module exists in bios, so its not gone
tho it says its version 1.0, but its different than that one in 3.x bios which is also 1.0

btw i have uefi card and cant use eufi mode on it, it runs only in legacy


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Posted By: cristy6100
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2018 at 5:15am
" rel="nofollow - I have no option for video device when I enable CSM, just PXE and Storage, are you sure you checked with 4.xx bios? Or did you decompile bios and found the module itself? It may be present in the uefe file but not enabled for use in current bios


Posted By: kerberos_20
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2018 at 5:34am
bios 4.53

gtx 1060

uefi bios is present
its bugged :P

gtx 760 runs fine in both csm/legacy
so as far as i can see, u guys cant run legacy driver, while i cant run gop driver qq



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Posted By: kerberos_20
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2018 at 6:04am
just switched to gtx 760 and now i know what u mean...in bios is missing legacy/uefi switch in csm for gpu
but as for gtx 760 goes:
disabled csm = uefi (nice shiny 1080p)
enabled csm = legacy (fugly low res)

legacy driver seems to be same as previous pic...

uefi loads fine here



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Posted By: cristy6100
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2018 at 8:01am
This is interesting, maybe it has something to do with the fact that your cards have both uefi and legacy bios, mine all have legacy bios but the bios will not run csm for them...
I'll wait for a new update and check after


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2018 at 11:13pm
I took a look at the newest 4.61 BIOS for X370 Gaming X and found out that the settings are there, just removed from the setup screen / Boot / CSM menu entry...

Currently these are present in the menu:
Handle    Control Group 
090F(Main Menu CSM)
0502       CSM
050A       Launch PXE OpROM Policy
050C       Launch Storage OpROM Policy


What is missing is 
050E       Launch Video OpROM Policy

They (ASRock) "just" need to re-add it back to the menu.
Unfortunately I cannot add this string to the BIOS-Menu by myself else it would have worked right away.


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Posted By: cristy6100
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2018 at 12:33am
" rel="nofollow - Nice, thanks for clearing this up, I already reported this and all other bugs I found in a support ticket, and they got back and confirmed all bugs except one, for the Chassis Fan 1/Water pump speed, but I was able to re-create the RPM drop by switching the Control Mode from PWM Mode to DC Mode, it will give a RPM drop between 500-1600RPM depending on the connected fan speed, long story short all bugs I reported were confirmed.
You can find what I reported here on the forum a couple of pages back
For the moment they gave no ETA on a new bios, but it should come in april, Asus already released BIOS'es with the new agesa code PinnaclePI 1.0.0.2 and new SMU firmware, so ASRock should come with new versions any moment now

EDIT: Here they are:

http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8166&KW=&title=yet-another-uefi-bug-with-ab350-x370-itx-ac

http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8075&KW=&title=fatality-x370-itx-ac-bios-l451-very-buggy


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2018 at 11:31am
Originally posted by SoniC SoniC wrote:

I took a look at the newest 4.61 BIOS for X370 Gaming X and found out that the settings are there, just removed from the setup screen / Boot / CSM menu entry...

Currently these are present in the menu:
Handle    Control Group 
090F(Main Menu CSM)
0502       CSM
050A       Launch PXE OpROM Policy
050C       Launch Storage OpROM Policy


What is missing is 
050E       Launch Video OpROM Policy

They (ASRock) "just" need to re-add it back to the menu.
Unfortunately I cannot add this string to the BIOS-Menu by myself else it would have worked right away.


SoniC, thank you. I have notified those in charge to investigate this.

I tried duping it here and cant.




Posted By: akumajou
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2018 at 5:26pm
" rel="nofollow - I'm having the same problem as kerberos_20:

http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8231&title=secure-boot-and-ultra-fast-enabled-fails-to-boot (don't know why BBcodes for links aren't working, by the way)

This is quite a glaring oversight... Is there nothing that can be done?


Posted By: cristy6100
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2018 at 6:13pm
Until a new bios is released that HOPEFULLY fixes these 2 problems there is no fix.
I for one cannot enable Fast Boot, I dont even have the menu option, only Ultra Fast, tried with CSM Disabled and Enabled, and if I enable Ultra Fast and Disable CSM it will not post same as you.


Posted By: kerberos_20
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2018 at 10:26pm
i dont use secure boot, so theres no way that my gpu would be blocked due to it.
anyway tryied to changed vbios from palit to asus, and theres no change for efi (efi bios seems to be same as on palit bios)
UEFI Support          : Yes
UEFI Version          : 0x30005 (Sep 12 2016 @ 21147289 )
UEFI Variant Id       : 0x0000000000000007 ( GP1xx )
UEFI Signer(s)        : Microsoft Corporation UEFI CA 2011

but i really like asus bios version much more, fan profile can go 0% and it raises slowly (1% increments) at 50C+ and slows down slowly when needed (no fan noise spikes) :)


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Posted By: cristy6100
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2018 at 10:45pm
Don't worry about secure boot, it will never cause problems in Windows, I had problems with it on some servers when I updated from CentOS 6.5 towards 7 but that was way back in 2013-2014, on Windows systems I remember switching secure boot on and using GPT boot disks from the Windows 8 days.
Every system I configure I enable secure boot and disable CSM if video card allows it, it gives faster boot time on some system configurations. 

PS: edited my tantrums and grammar, sorry guys for it


Posted By: wardog
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2018 at 5:03am
" rel="nofollow - Relax all. I have gotten their attention concerning this.

cristy6100, ummm.... chill with the badmouthing please. OK? It is not helping nor helpful.

First and last warning.


Posted By: ASRock_TSD
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2018 at 3:44pm
" rel="nofollow -
Dear cristy6100,

Greetings, this is ASRock TSD.


The BIOS default of CSM option is enabled and also Launch Video OpROM Policy option is legacy mode so that it doesn?t affect the display output.

Besides, we tested the graphics cards which only support legacy mode, it can properly display when the system boot up.


Thanks!

All the best,
ASRock TSD



Posted By: cristy6100
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2018 at 4:27pm
Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

Originally posted by SoniC SoniC wrote:

I took a look at the newest 4.61 BIOS for X370 Gaming X and found out that the settings are there, just removed from the setup screen / Boot / CSM menu entry...

Currently these are present in the menu:
Handle    Control Group 
090F(Main Menu CSM)
0502       CSM
050A       Launch PXE OpROM Policy
050C       Launch Storage OpROM Policy


What is missing is 
050E       Launch Video OpROM Policy

They (ASRock) "just" need to re-add it back to the menu.
Unfortunately I cannot add this string to the BIOS-Menu by myself else it would have worked right away.


SoniC, thank you. I have notified those in charge to investigate this.

I tried duping it here and cant.



As Sonic wrote here, the "Launch Video OpROM Policy" is present but not enabled in latest bios files, so video cards without UEFI/GOP bios present are not working with latest (in my case L4.51) bios

I have tested this with HD6970/GTX580/GTX680 none of them will display image, switching the output to the HDMI from the 2400G will display image, booting windows with any of these cards will not detect them at all in device manager. It is clear that the motherboard doesn't even initialize any comunication with the video cards, this further confirms that the CSM module for legacy video cards is not enabled un latest bios versions.



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