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Topic: Disappointed with Asrock Fatal1ty X470 Gaming K4
Posted By: GMcD
Subject: Disappointed with Asrock Fatal1ty X470 Gaming K4
Date Posted: 01 May 2018 at 11:22pm
" rel="nofollow - [URL=][/URL][URL=][/URL][URL=][/URL]This is the first time ive paid $170 for a motherboard and I am very disappointed in all the overclock options missing. This is my 3rd Asrock motherboard i have bought (other 2 were for intel) and have always been pleased with the bios options. Many settings are missing, but one of the obvious ones is LLC. How does a $170 motherboard not have Load Line Calibration? Vdroop is definitely present in overclocking on this board and I would love to have it. Please Asrock, add many of the overclocking options that other motherboard makers have for this price range!

Edit: I also forgot to mention that the metal bar above the pci-e slot was only being held on by one screw when i opened the box. This caused the bar to be wedged between the rear screw mount and the back of the I/O plate. The back of the I/O plate got some scratches because of this. It could have been far worst if it would have completely came unscrewed!



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Posted By: GMcD
Date Posted: 02 May 2018 at 10:21am
" rel="nofollow - Something definitely isnt right. I just read a detailed review of the ASROCK AB350 GAMING K4 and its bios options are identical to mine! How is it a budget board has the same options as a mid range board!?


Posted By: GMcD
Date Posted: 02 May 2018 at 11:01am
" rel="nofollow - More proof something is wrong. This screen shot is from the Asrock x370 Fatal1ty K4 review. Notice all those nice options under voltage configuration ? All those are missing in my bios!

https://imgur.com/a/8JsUhzH


Posted By: cristy6100
Date Posted: 02 May 2018 at 4:59pm
" rel="nofollow - That screenshot is from a Gaming K4 R1.0 board that had LCC and some other options, those were removed in R2.0, if its any good my Fata1ity X370 ITX/ac does not have: BUS Clock option, LCC option, GPU overclock option (for 2xxxG Series CPU), OVP/OCP option like in that screenshot, it also does not have SoC voltage reporting in UEFI, so you dont know what's the actual SoC voltage you set.
And the Fatal1ty X370 ITX/ac was more expensive than your board and I think it currently is.
So dont worry, if you really need stable UEFI with no bugs and all OC option you should go with an Asus Strix board, ASRock will never add the options that you want (the ones in that screen shot), LCC is not essential nor beneficial to Ryzen, for the rest you can OC the 2xxx to the MAX with the options you have, I know I can. 

PS: Do you have a SoC voltage reporting entry in UEFI in the "Hardware monitor" page?

Cheers


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Main Rig: AMD Ryzen 2400G | ASRock Fatality X370 ITX/ac UEFI 4.90 | Corsair LPX DDR4 2400@3200 1.35V | Corsair RM650i PSU | CM ML120L AiO Cooler


Posted By: GMcD
Date Posted: 02 May 2018 at 5:45pm
Yes, i have VDDCR_SOC reporting at +0.888 volts. If what your saying is true about Asrock not adding the missing options, it might be time for me to send it back and get another board.


Posted By: cristy6100
Date Posted: 02 May 2018 at 6:31pm
" rel="nofollow - Trust me, they wont add the missing options anytime soon, I am waiting for 2 months for a new UEFI that fixes the 2400G stuttering in games, I also reported in march at least 6-10 bugs to ASRock in the current UEFI's, like you cannot disable the SATA controller/LAN Controller/USB controllers of the board and a couple more and they did not fix any of them yet but they acknowledged all of them ....
I have been an ASRock fan for years and choose them over Asus, but this time around, when Asus launches the X470 Strix I-Gaming (the ITX variant) I will switch to that one from this Fatal1ty X370 ITX/ac, tired of waiting for some fixes to things that I have never in my life seen on other boards not available or not functioning... its basic testing in a UEFI before mass release that ASRock is lacking.
There was an update 2 days ago to AGESA 1.0.0.2 that suposedly fixed the stuttering, installed it and it broken all USB ports except the 2 2.0 ports on the back.... can you believe them? not even testing basic functionality like USB's before releasing a UEFI? After that they took down the UEFI links....
My suggestion is if you can, send the board back and switch to Asus

Cheers


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Main Rig: AMD Ryzen 2400G | ASRock Fatality X370 ITX/ac UEFI 4.90 | Corsair LPX DDR4 2400@3200 1.35V | Corsair RM650i PSU | CM ML120L AiO Cooler


Posted By: J Z
Date Posted: 03 May 2018 at 1:22am
" rel="nofollow -

https://youtu.be/x7HVXq6U0r0?t=349

Time 349 !!!


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Kind Regards,
JZ

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Posted By: cristy6100
Date Posted: 03 May 2018 at 6:10am
" rel="nofollow - JZ, I guess you are with the UEFI software part, I understand all good intentions, but when you dont have on a "Fatal1ty" board the GPU overclock settings and I don't mean the AMD AGESA ones, I mean one in OC Tweaker with normal voltage settings and clock settings, or you dont fix basic bugs like making sure you can disable SATA/LAN/USB controllers in UEFI.
Or the Chassis Fan 1 (on the X370 ITX/ac) when set to DC mode will lower speed by 600-2000RPM depending on connected fan/pump) I can only recommend Asus next, MSI is out of the question (worse than current ASRock situation and Gigabyte is the same) it seems Asus has nailed it with current AM4 lower or upper tier, they at least offer a GPU overclock option and SoC voltage monitoring in UEFI (how can the AB350 ITX/ac or X370 ITX/ac not have SoC voltage monitor when they are a "Fatal1ity" branded board? 
Anyway for the moment I recommend still an Asus Board, any B350/X370/B450/X470 from Asus will have more options and be more stable than current "top end" Fatal1ity" boards... too bad.. I trusted ASRock over Asus from the time they where a sub-brand of Asus (or more common name Pegatron), I always recommended ASRock over Asus... but now.. I cant do that anymore and its a shame really cause I dont like Asus at all...


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Main Rig: AMD Ryzen 2400G | ASRock Fatality X370 ITX/ac UEFI 4.90 | Corsair LPX DDR4 2400@3200 1.35V | Corsair RM650i PSU | CM ML120L AiO Cooler


Posted By: GMcD
Date Posted: 03 May 2018 at 7:07am
You have definitely talked me into RMA my board. Guess im going with Asus. Its a shame that the brand Asrock i have trusted over my last 3 boards is a marketing gimmick.


Posted By: cristy6100
Date Posted: 03 May 2018 at 4:07pm
You wont be dissapointed with any AM4 Asus board, much nicer UEFI and functional at least.
I will be curious after you get you new board to hear the comparison bettwen it and the ASRock one.

Cheers and have a nice day


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Main Rig: AMD Ryzen 2400G | ASRock Fatality X370 ITX/ac UEFI 4.90 | Corsair LPX DDR4 2400@3200 1.35V | Corsair RM650i PSU | CM ML120L AiO Cooler


Posted By: J Z
Date Posted: 03 May 2018 at 4:30pm
Hello Guys

According to the BIOS department, SoC and GPU overclocking will soon be possible in the BIOS "ASRock Settings" Wink

Currently only in the BIOS under "AMD CBS Settings".

ASRock X470 are TOP Thumbs Up

Regards,
JZ


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JZ

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Posted By: Xaltar
Date Posted: 03 May 2018 at 5:49pm
Thanks for the clarification JZ Thumbs Up

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Posted By: cristy6100
Date Posted: 03 May 2018 at 6:09pm
I do hope they fix the UEFI bugs in the ITX variants for B350/X370 almost two months passed and no fixes, even if the boards are top quality (which they are) a buggy UEFI and missing feature can ruin the overall experience, If they indeed add "GPU and SoC voltage monitoring for the ITX X370/B350 then it will be ok to reccomend it over and Asus ITX but for the moment no chance.

Cheers


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Main Rig: AMD Ryzen 2400G | ASRock Fatality X370 ITX/ac UEFI 4.90 | Corsair LPX DDR4 2400@3200 1.35V | Corsair RM650i PSU | CM ML120L AiO Cooler


Posted By: J Z
Date Posted: 03 May 2018 at 6:12pm
First TestBIOSe are expected the days with me Embarrassed

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Kind Regards,
JZ

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Posted By: J Z
Date Posted: 03 May 2018 at 6:16pm
Originally posted by cristy6100 cristy6100 wrote:

I do hope they fix the UEFI bugs in the ITX variants for B350/X370 almost two months passed and no fixes, even if the boards are top quality (which they are) a buggy UEFI and missing feature can ruin the overall experience, If they indeed add "GPU and SoC voltage monitoring for the ITX X370/B350 then it will be ok to reccomend it over and Asus ITX but for the moment no chance.

Cheers

We are here in the X470 thread Angry

Personally, I have no problems setting SoC Voltage to AMD CBS Settings (NBIO) with Hex. Wink


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Kind Regards,
JZ

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Posted By: cristy6100
Date Posted: 03 May 2018 at 7:48pm
I know we are in the X470 thread, but LCC and GPU OC option in OC Tweaker with normal input for voltage should be added in all AM4 UEFI's people should not need to calculate the HEX value for the GPU and then hope the voltage is correct because the UEFI is lacking the SoC and GPU voltage monitoring (yes for APU's, GPU voltage monitoring should be added because the GPU/SoC voltages can be set separately and the GPU voltage can be higher than the SoC voltage but not the other way around), these 3 thing should be present in all AM4 UEFI's, the OP is talking about the missing LLC option, that also is a feature that should be present in all UEFI's.
For example even a Biostar X370 GTN ITX has these options present, and the board costs half the price of the X470 ITX/ac or X370 ITX/ac



Here is a screenshot of the Hardware monitor page with the latest 4.53 Beta UEFI for the X370 ITX/ac (the one which breaks all USB 3.0 ports on the back of the motherboard) not even gonna talk about that situation.....

As you can see its lacking all voltage monitoring except for CPU, lacking SoC,GPU,DRAM,Chipset, PLL 1.8V....

BTW that background image from the Fatal1ty X470 is nice looking, better than the current one in X370 :))

Anyway I took the oportunity to highlight these because we B350 ITX/ac and X370 ITX/ac users should get these voltage monitoring features too, the ITX X370 costs more than the X470 K4...




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Posted By: J Z
Date Posted: 03 May 2018 at 8:50pm
You steal the thread for your purposes. We want to discuss X470 here. Please make your own thread for X370. Angry

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Kind Regards,
JZ

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Posted By: cristy6100
Date Posted: 03 May 2018 at 9:00pm
There was nothing more to discuss about the X470, OP sent the board back and will change it for an Asus, with the current UEFI situation if I could I would do the same, but my 30 day return period expired because I was waiting for the promised fixes.. I am still waiting for them..
I took the opportunity to write here because maybe you can talk to the guys who build these UEFI's to add the options mentioned above on the Fatal1ty ITX boards. 
No use in creating another thread because its the same issue: Missing Features


Cheers


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Main Rig: AMD Ryzen 2400G | ASRock Fatality X370 ITX/ac UEFI 4.90 | Corsair LPX DDR4 2400@3200 1.35V | Corsair RM650i PSU | CM ML120L AiO Cooler


Posted By: J Z
Date Posted: 03 May 2018 at 10:16pm
OP does not send it back and he likes it, so no ASUS LOL

The BIOSes are being improved on a daily basis, so I'll take care of that and if anyone has questions, contact me. Smile

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JZ

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Posted By: J Z
Date Posted: 03 May 2018 at 10:31pm
ASRock AMD CBS SoC Voltage Guide





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JZ

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Posted By: cristy6100
Date Posted: 03 May 2018 at 10:50pm
" rel="nofollow - Thanks for clarifing the values, are they the same for IGPU VID setting?


Cheers


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Posted By: J Z
Date Posted: 03 May 2018 at 11:00pm
Yes,

for GPU, CPU and SoC VID Voltage Wink


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Posted By: cristy6100
Date Posted: 03 May 2018 at 11:04pm
" rel="nofollow -
Tested this, it kinda works, setting 40 for SoC will make it 1.137V in HWInfo, but will drop to 1.1V under load
But setting 40 for GPU there is no way to check the actual voltage, HWInfo or any other utility will not report the iGPU voltage, not even the X470 has iGPU voltage monitoring in UEFI as far as I see.
iGPU voltage monitoring should be added in UEFI and for the boards that currently dont have SoC voltage  monitoring also.... these 2 things are of utmost importance for any user to be able to check the voltages
I guess it worked setting 40 for iGPU but I cannot verify the actual value :(
Also as far as I know setting lets say 1.1V for SoC and 1.2V for GPU should be possible, or just setting SoC to 1.2 will bump the iGPU to 1.2V also right?
AMD's PDF tells us that the voltages are one way linked, bumping the SoC will bump the GPU to the value of the SoC voltage, but you can bump the iGPU voltage higher than SoC but not lower, does this apply in future or current UEFIs?
Because there is an oddity, what happens when lets say I set SoC voltage to 1.2V for RAM stablity and CPU stablity when overclocking but I also want to overclock the iGPU, I will set 1500MHz and the VID value should not be necessary to set because I already set the SoC voltage to 1.2V and that bumped the iGPU to 1.2V also, how do we let the iGPU voltage at auto in the current implementation?
This applies to all UEFIs.

The other manufacturers have dedicated iGPU overclocking menus in UEFI, and you just set the Speed in MHz and if you want you can change the voltage or leave it on auto.
In AMD/CBS/iGPU OC leaving the VID value to Default of 0 and just setting the frequency and rebooting will boost the iGPU voltage to max I guess and will most likely fry the CPU, this is very dangerous if its the case
Thats why a dedicated iGPU overclock entry should be added in OC Tweaker page, with normal Auto and decimal voltage range.


Cheers


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Main Rig: AMD Ryzen 2400G | ASRock Fatality X370 ITX/ac UEFI 4.90 | Corsair LPX DDR4 2400@3200 1.35V | Corsair RM650i PSU | CM ML120L AiO Cooler


Posted By: GMcD
Date Posted: 04 May 2018 at 6:30am
" rel="nofollow - [URL=][/URL][URL=][/URL]J Z, thanks for making sure the bioses have the needed features. I promise you that Asrock will sell more mid range boards with better bios options. I have one request. Do you think you could post those videos with you talking in english? It would help immensely! Also, whats the verdict on LLC? Is it possible for this to be added to the bios for this board? Thanks a ton!


Posted By: J Z
Date Posted: 09 May 2018 at 3:59pm
It's about to get a lot of important AMD CBS options into the OC tweaker, making it easier for some users

For the X470 Taichi, X470 Gaming K4 and X470 Master SLI I have ever BIOSe with the following improvement here:



1. Add GPU clock option in OC Tweaker.
2. Modify DRAM timing group rule in OC Tweaker.

More will follow ...

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Kind Regards,
JZ

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Posted By: Ivan_83
Date Posted: 10 May 2018 at 10:29am
Originally posted by J Z J Z wrote:



According to the BIOS department, SoC and GPU overclocking will soon be possible in the BIOS "ASRock Settings" Wink



This is half of truth.
They say same for Gaming X, but ugly VRM controller ISL95712 does not give user full control, or asrock cant/dont want do good things for small money/cost.

As result if you want user friendly VRM controller then you must  get top mobo based on IR35201.
All mobo vendors do same.
IMHO this is subject for anti monopoly investigation.


Posted By: Ivan_83
Date Posted: 10 May 2018 at 10:33am
" rel="nofollow - http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8594&PID=51080&title=asrock-fatal1ty-x470-gaming-k4-cant-fixed-vcore#51080


Posted By: Jamesborne
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2018 at 12:01pm
" rel="nofollow - I know this is old but I am a nub and dont get it... I usually use intel products bought 2700X and Fatal1ty X470 put it all together... I have an Nvidia 1070 and im getting 40-50 FPS on WoW of all games... where I was getting 90-100 with a 6600k... any reason it would be the MB or proc? I had my video card in the old getup



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