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Topic: X399 Asrock, where the hell is new Agesa bios!!
Posted By: lowdog
Subject: X399 Asrock, where the hell is new Agesa bios!!
Date Posted: 05 May 2018 at 11:56am
X399 Fat Pro Gaming is still on Agesa 1.0.0.4 with no bios update for ages!


Gigabyte and Asus just dropped Agesa 1.0.0.5 for their X399 boards and memory speeds have improved SIGNIFICANTLY!!!


Gigabyte + Asus X399 boards seem to have much better memory compatibility/stability at speed over 3000MHz than fricken Asrock X399 which seems to have been stuck at 2933/3066MHz for AGES!!!!!!!


Pull the finger out Asrock and get working on bios improvements for memory speed on your TR4 platform FFS!!!!


Where is Asrock's Agesa 1.0.0.5 bioses FFS!!!!!!

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X399 Fat Pro Gaming bios 3.10 - TR4 1900X - 64GB G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ @ 3133MHz - Vega 64 AIO with EK block - WC Custom loop - 1500W Silverstone PSU - yay



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Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 05 May 2018 at 5:17pm
I'm with you mate... still sitting on a freakin 2933...
...it will come from house ASRock... eventually...


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TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: orionbg
Date Posted: 06 May 2018 at 2:02am
We want BIOS! We want BIOS! :)
But yeah, Asrock people, please at least give us some estimate when to expect a new BIOS for the X399 series of boards... Oh and also please make that BIOS "Polychrome RGB" compatible! I want to be able to sync my G.Skill RAM and mobo RGB leds!


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Asrock X399 Taichi, AMD Threadripper 1950X, 32GB G.SKILL TridentZ RGB 3200MHz,
256GB Samsung PM961 nvme, 512GB Samcung 850 EVO, 512GB Intel 5400S,
GTX1080Ti FE, Lian-Li PC-O11WGX case, Custom W.Loop


Posted By: lowdog
Date Posted: 06 May 2018 at 5:56am
Originally posted by SoniC SoniC wrote:

I'm with you mate... still sitting on a freakin 2933...
...it will come from house ASRock... eventually...




Your sig says bios 2.00A, whats the notable difference between that bios and the official 2.00 bios which is what I'm currently on and was released friggen 6 months ago

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X399 Fat Pro Gaming bios 3.10 - TR4 1900X - 64GB G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ @ 3133MHz - Vega 64 AIO with EK block - WC Custom loop - 1500W Silverstone PSU - yay


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 06 May 2018 at 2:32pm
Originally posted by lowdog lowdog wrote:

Originally posted by SoniC SoniC wrote:

I'm with you mate... still sitting on a freakin 2933...
...it will come from house ASRock... eventually...




Your sig says bios 2.00A, whats the notable difference between that bios and the official 2.00 bios which is what I'm currently on and was released friggen 6 months ago

Unfortunately nothing worth mentioning... and then I was so fed up that I didn't changed to 2.0 stable.


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TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: JohnM
Date Posted: 06 May 2018 at 8:45pm
" rel="nofollow - Do you think anyone from ASRock would comment, even if they were reading this thread?

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Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 06 May 2018 at 11:23pm
Originally posted by JohnM JohnM wrote:

" rel="nofollow - Do you think anyone from ASRock would comment, even if they were reading this thread?
Probably not... best thing to do would be to settle that everyone of the X399 ASRock owners would open a ticket asking for AGESA 1.0.0.5 BIOS... These tickets get answered and/or forwarded to the technical team.


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-=SoniC=-
TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: lowdog
Date Posted: 07 May 2018 at 6:02am
I asked member J Z who runs this site http://www.jzelectronic.de/jz2/index.php" rel="nofollow - http://www.jzelectronic.de/jz2/index.php if he could get any beta bios based on Agesa 1.0.0.5, he often gets Asrock beta bios so we will see what happens.

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X399 Fat Pro Gaming bios 3.10 - TR4 1900X - 64GB G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ @ 3133MHz - Vega 64 AIO with EK block - WC Custom loop - 1500W Silverstone PSU - yay


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 07 May 2018 at 6:56am
If by chance ASRock releases a new BIOS based on AGESA 1.0.0.5 be sure to ENABLE C-States.
This is fixed in the latest ASUS Zenith BIOS 1003 -- they forced C-States to Auto/Enable and now the sleep bug is gone. 
P.S. It is now officially released as stable... and we cannot even get a Beta.... Cry


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-=SoniC=-
TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: lowdog
Date Posted: 07 May 2018 at 7:19am
Just sent Asrock a ticket requesting Agesa 1.0.0.5 support ASAP.

Man up yall and do the same

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X399 Fat Pro Gaming bios 3.10 - TR4 1900X - 64GB G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ @ 3133MHz - Vega 64 AIO with EK block - WC Custom loop - 1500W Silverstone PSU - yay


Posted By: scythefwd
Date Posted: 07 May 2018 at 12:20pm
" rel="nofollow - You guys are having issues getting above 2933? I'm running 2.0 bios, and have hit both 3333 and 3466 (which wasn't quite stable) just using the xmp pre-configs.. on my 3200 ram.


Posted By: lowdog
Date Posted: 07 May 2018 at 12:29pm
" rel="nofollow - [URL=][/URL][URL=][/URL]
Originally posted by scythefwd scythefwd wrote:

[URL=][/URL]You guys are having issues getting above 2933? I'm running 2.0 bios, and have hit both 3333 and 3466 (which wasn't quite stable) just using the xmp pre-configs.. on my 3200 ram.



And I can hit XMP 3200 and 3333 with my Flare X 8GB modules (32GB Total) and XMP 3200MHz with my b-die 16GB modules (64GB Total) as well on X399 but it's not stable even though it will pass 1000% HCI MENTEST without errors it will intermittently give a blackscreen (bluescreen error) and reboot when the system is idle.

At 2933/3033MHz the system is rock solid and doesn't have those stability issues that appear when XMP 3200MHz + is enabled.


Others have described the EXACT same issue as I have experienced above 2933MHz with their 3200MHz b-die ram when using XMP @ 3200MHz.


Flare X was rock solid @ 3333HMz on Asrock X370

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X399 Fat Pro Gaming bios 3.10 - TR4 1900X - 64GB G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ @ 3133MHz - Vega 64 AIO with EK block - WC Custom loop - 1500W Silverstone PSU - yay


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 07 May 2018 at 1:57pm
Originally posted by scythefwd scythefwd wrote:

" rel="nofollow - You guys are having issues getting above 2933? I'm running 2.0 bios, and have hit both 3333 and 3466 (which wasn't quite stable) just using the xmp pre-configs.. on my 3200 ram.

Would be easier if you would post your HW Profile in the sig...

Ehhhh... I bet you have either two sticks or four single side ones?  With such a config there is no problem, but try four double sided sticks (16GB) and the fun starts. And even more fun when you are populating with 8 sticks... I even have heard legends that people have reached 2666 doing that...

I am sure (100000 freaking %) that I did everything possible to get it stable ---  incl. swapping the BIOS modules across different releases, using recommended timings from the Stilt, using timings from RyZEN  RAM Calculator, using my own settings, and also using the settings I have on other X370 board with same memory kit.  
I honestly feel like I did everything possible, and I was saying this since August 2017 (or earlier) that TR AGESA is NOT on-pair with the AM4 one, and there are definitely features missing that would be helpful (e.g. cold-boot RAM voltage etc.) to solve stability problems. 
BTW - on the X370 Fatal1ty Pro Gaming my 64GB 3200 CL14 is running without a problem, set XMP, fire and forget (of course then some tweaks to the timings were applied to make it even faster). 
Funny eh?


@lowdog --- I even can't reach 3066 stable... it allowed me to POST sometimes but that's it... but yeah... your description is exactly to the point what is happening. 


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TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: lowdog
Date Posted: 07 May 2018 at 4:17pm
" rel="nofollow -
Originally posted by SoniC SoniC wrote:

Originally posted by scythefwd scythefwd wrote:

[URL=][/URL]You guys are having issues getting above 2933? I'm running 2.0 bios, and have hit both 3333 and 3466 (which wasn't quite stable) just using the xmp pre-configs.. on my 3200 ram.


Would be easier if you would post your HW Profile in the sig...

Ehhhh... I bet you have either two sticks or four single side ones?? With such a config there is no problem, but try four double sided sticks (16GB) and the fun starts. And even more fun when you are populating with 8 sticks... I even have heard legends that people have reached 2666 doing that...

I am sure (100000 freaking %) that I did everything possible to get it stable ---? incl. swapping the BIOS modules across different releases, using recommended timings from the Stilt, using timings from RyZEN? RAM?Calculator, using my own settings, and also using the settings I have on other X370 board with same memory kit.??
I honestly feel like I did everything possible, and I was saying this since August 2017 (or earlier) that TR AGESA is NOT on-pair with the AM4 one, and there are definitely features missing that would be helpful (e.g. cold-boot RAM voltage etc.) to solve stability problems.?
BTW - on the X370 Fatal1ty Pro Gaming my 64GB 3200 CL14 is running without a problem, set XMP, fire and forget (of course then some tweaks to the timings were applied to make it even faster).?
Funny eh?


@lowdog --- I even can't reach 3033 stable... it allowed me to POST sometimes but that's it... but yeah... your description is exactly to the point what is happening.?






Weird as my 4 x 8Gb Flare X b-die single sided modules can't run stable above 2933/3066 on Fatality X399 - just intermittently will reboot when system is just idling but on Fatality X370 was perfectly stable at 3333Mhz.


My 4 x 16GB dual rank b-die kit will run HCI Memtest past 1000% error free on X399 but again will intermittently just reboot the computer when system is idling. The 16GB modules would not run past 2933MHz on the X370 at all.

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X399 Fat Pro Gaming bios 3.10 - TR4 1900X - 64GB G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ @ 3133MHz - Vega 64 AIO with EK block - WC Custom loop - 1500W Silverstone PSU - yay


Posted By: lowdog
Date Posted: 07 May 2018 at 4:20pm
@SoniC


What is the exact model or you 64GB kit of ram. Mine is G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ

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X399 Fat Pro Gaming bios 3.10 - TR4 1900X - 64GB G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ @ 3133MHz - Vega 64 AIO with EK block - WC Custom loop - 1500W Silverstone PSU - yay


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 07 May 2018 at 11:06pm
Originally posted by lowdog lowdog wrote:

@SoniC
What is the exact model or you 64GB kit of ram. Mine is G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ

G.Skill F4-3200C14Q-64GVR  (Ripjaws V Red 64GB kit).
Single module identifies as G.Skill F4-3200C14-16GVR.

Reached 3066 POST, nothing above it (reached it already with v1.60 or 1.80 BIOS I think).
2933 Rock-stable 24h x 7

On X370 FPG the same kit runs flawlessly 24x7 with the default XMP (3200 CL14)  & tweaked timings.



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TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 08 May 2018 at 1:28am
" rel="nofollow - lowdog

do you have the option 'dram power down' in your bios ?
(on the taichi its in the dram configeration option on oc tweaker)

disabling is the desired option


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Posted By: scythefwd
Date Posted: 08 May 2018 at 4:36am
Yes, only 2 sticks of 16gb for now.. Definitely something I'll keep an eye on.. when I upgrade.  Hadn't realized folks were getting a speed penalty for running 4 or 8 sticks.

I'll probably find out how bad it really is in 6 months when I have to double the ram... 




Posted By: lowdog
Date Posted: 08 May 2018 at 6:03am
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Originally posted by datonyb datonyb wrote:

lowdog

do you have the option 'dram power down' in your bios ?
(on the taichi its in the dram configeration option on oc tweaker)

disabling is the desired option




Yes that option is there and is currently set to AUTO.....just read up on it so I'll give it a try disabled.


There is also an option called "Gear Down Mode"....know what that does??? it's set to auto/enabled as well.

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X399 Fat Pro Gaming bios 3.10 - TR4 1900X - 64GB G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ @ 3133MHz - Vega 64 AIO with EK block - WC Custom loop - 1500W Silverstone PSU - yay


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 08 May 2018 at 6:56am
Originally posted by lowdog lowdog wrote:

" rel="nofollow -
Originally posted by datonyb datonyb wrote:

lowdog

do you have the option 'dram power down' in your bios ?
(on the taichi its in the dram configeration option on oc tweaker)

disabling is the desired option




Yes that option is there and is currently set to AUTO.....just read up on it so I'll give it a try disabled.


There is also an option called "Gear Down Mode"....know what that does??? it's set to auto/enabled as well.

Geardown is also VERY important. If your RAM requires 2T CR then in order to increase compatibility/stability - disable it .

Here some more explanation / definition on what is Geardown Mode:
"Allows the DRAM device to run off its internally-generated ½ rate clock for latching on the command or address buses. ON is the default for speeds greater than DDR4-2667, however the benefit of ON vs. OFF will vary from memory kit to memory kit. Enabling Geardown Mode will override your current command rate."
The last sentence is CRUCIAL if your RAM requires 2T CR.

And here some benchmarks:
https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/07/14/memory-oc-showdown-frequency-vs-memory-timings


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TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: lowdog
Date Posted: 08 May 2018 at 7:02am
" rel="nofollow -
Originally posted by SoniC SoniC wrote:

Originally posted by lowdog lowdog wrote:

[URL=][/URL]
Originally posted by datonyb datonyb wrote:

lowdog

do you have the option 'dram power down' in your bios ?
(on the taichi its in the dram configeration option on oc tweaker)

disabling is the desired option




Yes that option is there and is currently set to AUTO.....just read up on it so I'll give it a try disabled.


There is also an option called "Gear Down Mode"....know what that does??? it's set to auto/enabled as well.


Geardown is also VERY important. If your RAM requires 2T CR then in order to increase compatibility/stability - disable it .

Here some more explanation / definition on what is Geardown Mode:
"Allows the DRAM device to run off its internally-generated ½ rate clock for latching on the command or address buses. ON is the default for speeds greater than DDR4-2667, however the benefit of ON vs. OFF will vary from memory kit to memory kit. Enabling Geardown Mode will override your current command rate."
The last sentence is CRUCIAL if your RAM requires 2T CR.

And here some benchmarks:
https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/07/14/memory-oc-showdown-frequency-vs-memory-timings



@ SoniC - Have you tried disabling "Dram Power Down" option in bios to see if it makes a difference?

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X399 Fat Pro Gaming bios 3.10 - TR4 1900X - 64GB G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ @ 3133MHz - Vega 64 AIO with EK block - WC Custom loop - 1500W Silverstone PSU - yay


Posted By: lowdog
Date Posted: 08 May 2018 at 9:39am
Dram Power Down - Disabled - made NO difference, still intermittent bluescreen/blackscreen reboot @ 3200MHz XMP.....yet 3066MHz XMP still perfectly stable.

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X399 Fat Pro Gaming bios 3.10 - TR4 1900X - 64GB G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ @ 3133MHz - Vega 64 AIO with EK block - WC Custom loop - 1500W Silverstone PSU - yay


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 08 May 2018 at 1:49pm
Originally posted by lowdog lowdog wrote:

" rel="nofollow -
Originally posted by SoniC SoniC wrote:

Originally posted by lowdog lowdog wrote:

[URL=][/URL]
Originally posted by datonyb datonyb wrote:

lowdog

do you have the option 'dram power down' in your bios ?
(on the taichi its in the dram configeration option on oc tweaker)

disabling is the desired option




Yes that option is there and is currently set to AUTO.....just read up on it so I'll give it a try disabled.


There is also an option called "Gear Down Mode"....know what that does??? it's set to auto/enabled as well.


Geardown is also VERY important. If your RAM requires 2T CR then in order to increase compatibility/stability - disable it .

Here some more explanation / definition on what is Geardown Mode:
"Allows the DRAM device to run off its internally-generated ½ rate clock for latching on the command or address buses. ON is the default for speeds greater than DDR4-2667, however the benefit of ON vs. OFF will vary from memory kit to memory kit. Enabling Geardown Mode will override your current command rate."
The last sentence is CRUCIAL if your RAM requires 2T CR.

And here some benchmarks:
https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/07/14/memory-oc-showdown-frequency-vs-memory-timings



@ SoniC - Have you tried disabling "Dram Power Down" option in bios to see if it makes a difference?

lowdog - yeah, every possible combination. Read my first reply to scythefwd here. I went so deep that I started to modify the BIOSes lol. so Yeah, I touched every setting, every switch possible, and tried every combination of BIOS / AGESA.

To be frank I think you are very near to reaching 3066 stability... I would try to pump 0.2-0.3 V more into the RAM, increase the SOC voltage by 0.1-0.2 Volts, change the "VDDCR_SOC Load-Line Calibration" to 2 or even 1.


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TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: lowdog
Date Posted: 08 May 2018 at 2:56pm
Originally posted by SoniC SoniC wrote:

Originally posted by lowdog lowdog wrote:

[URL=][/URL]
Originally posted by SoniC SoniC wrote:

Originally posted by lowdog lowdog wrote:

[URL=][/URL]
Originally posted by datonyb datonyb wrote:

lowdog

do you have the option 'dram power down' in your bios ?
(on the taichi its in the dram configeration option on oc tweaker)

disabling is the desired option




Yes that option is there and is currently set to AUTO.....just read up on it so I'll give it a try disabled.


There is also an option called "Gear Down Mode"....know what that does??? it's set to auto/enabled as well.





Geardown is also VERY important. If your RAM requires 2T CR then in order to increase compatibility/stability - disable it .

Here some more explanation / definition on what is Geardown Mode:
"Allows the DRAM device to run off its internally-generated ½ rate clock for latching on the command or address buses. ON is the default for speeds greater than DDR4-2667, however the benefit of ON vs. OFF will vary from memory kit to memory kit. Enabling Geardown Mode will override your current command rate."
The last sentence is CRUCIAL if your RAM requires 2T CR.

And here some benchmarks:
https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/07/14/memory-oc-showdown-frequency-vs-memory-timings



@ SoniC - Have you tried disabling "Dram Power Down" option in bios to see if it makes a difference?


lowdog - yeah, every possible combination. Read my first reply to scythefwd here. I went so deep that I started to modify the BIOSes lol. so Yeah, I touched every setting, every switch possible, and tried every combination of BIOS / AGESA.

To be frank I think you are very near to reaching 3066 stability... I would try to pump 0.2-0.3 V more into the RAM, increase the SOC voltage by 0.1-0.2 Volts, change the "VDDCR_SOC Load-Line Calibration" to 2 or even 1.





You must mean 0.02 - 0.03 V into the RAM eh which I have already tried, went to 1.4 V for ram even and went from current fixed 1.05 V SOC with LLC AUTO/5 to fixed 1.15 V SOC with LLC 2.....same scenario, intermittent instability @ 3200MHz.


Will just have to stick with 2933/3066 for now.


Can't remember where I read it but some were of the opinion with SOC voltage and cpu voltage was best to leave LLC low like AUTO/5 rather than extreme like 1 as it may have had a negative affect on the cpu in the long run......the voltage fluctuation at AUTO LLC 5 is actually the parameter in which the cpu is supposed to operate via AMD design so I've always tended to keep LLC loose and try to get the set voltage for stability set correctly first.

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X399 Fat Pro Gaming bios 3.10 - TR4 1900X - 64GB G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ @ 3133MHz - Vega 64 AIO with EK block - WC Custom loop - 1500W Silverstone PSU - yay


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 08 May 2018 at 3:29pm
Originally posted by lowdog lowdog wrote:

 

You must mean 0.02 - 0.03 V into the RAM eh which I have already tried, went to 1.4 V for ram even and went from current fixed 1.05 V SOC with LLC AUTO/5 to fixed 1.15 V SOC with LLC 2.....same scenario, intermittent instability @ 3200MHz.


Will just have to stick with 2933/3066 for now.


Can't remember where I read it but some were of the opinion with SOC voltage and cpu voltage was best to leave LLC low like AUTO/5 rather than extreme like 1 as it may have had a negative affect on the cpu in the long run......the voltage fluctuation at AUTO LLC 5 is actually the parameter in which the cpu is supposed to operate via AMD design so I've always tended to keep LLC loose and try to get the set voltage for stability set correctly first.

Yeah I meant 0.02-0.03 on the RAM side and ~0.1 on the SOC side. Have you also tried to play with ProcODT? 
Normally you can tune the LLC to your liking (especially to see if the LLC is causing the instability) when you are moving in a safe area of voltage. 
It has been perfectly explained by Gamers Nexus here >
https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3118-what-is-load-line-calibration-llc-for-overclocking

But yeah... leaving LLC on 1 for a longer time AND staying at an upped voltage would have a negative impact on your CPU. However fine-tuning LLC can prevent instability caused by voltage fluctuation going too low.

On my X1950 I have noticed that it spikes to 1.41 on CPU BY DEFAULT, and I remember that TR needs actually 0.1-0.15 less Volts compared to AM4 (X1800 reached but not exceeded 1.37) so I fine tuned the voltage with an -0.1 offset (currently running up to 1.34-1.35 which is completely fine for me).


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-=SoniC=-
TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: lowdog
Date Posted: 08 May 2018 at 3:45pm
Originally posted by SoniC SoniC wrote:

Originally posted by lowdog lowdog wrote:

?

You must mean 0.02 - 0.03 V into the RAM eh which I have already tried, went to 1.4 V for ram even and went from current fixed 1.05 V SOC with LLC AUTO/5 to fixed 1.15 V SOC with LLC 2.....same scenario, intermittent instability @ 3200MHz.


Will just have to stick with 2933/3066 for now.


Can't remember where I read it but some were of the opinion with SOC voltage and cpu voltage was best to leave LLC low like AUTO/5 rather than extreme like 1 as it may have had a negative affect on the cpu in the long run......the voltage fluctuation at AUTO LLC 5 is actually the parameter in which the cpu is supposed to operate via AMD design so I've always tended to keep LLC loose and try to get the set voltage for stability set correctly first.


Yeah I meant 0.02-0.03 on the RAM side and ~0.1 on the SOC side. Have you also tried to play with ProcODT??
Normally you can tune the LLC to your liking (especially to see if the LLC is causing the instability) when you are moving in a safe area of voltage.?
It has been perfectly explained by Gamers Nexus here >
https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3118-what-is-load-line-calibration-llc-for-overclocking

But yeah... leaving LLC on 1 for a longer time AND staying at an upped voltage would have a negative impact on your CPU. However fine-tuning LLC can prevent instability caused by voltage fluctuation going too low.

On my X1950 I have noticed that it spikes to 1.41 on CPU BY DEFAULT, and I remember that TR needs actually 0.1-0.15 less Volts compared to AM4 (X1800 reached but not exceeded 1.37) so I fine tuned the voltage with an -0.1 offset (currently running up to 1.34-1.35 which is completely fine for me).




But those vcore spike to the cpu when on auto volts are not to the whole cpu but per core and very temporary as per AMD spec......read it's better for the cpu to run cpu stock and have XFR with voltage spikes that set for example 3.9GHz cpu overclock with a constant 1.34v, the constant volts will have a more negative affect on the cpu over time than the in spec behaviour of stock volts with offset spikes.


I can run my cpu @ 4Ghz with 1.355 vcore set and LLC auto/5 which gives a real vcore measured at core via DMM of around 1.33v (can't remember exactly but near enough) but I just leave it auto most of the time cause I couldn't be fuged ...just wish I could get more out of the RAM ffs.

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X399 Fat Pro Gaming bios 3.10 - TR4 1900X - 64GB G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ @ 3133MHz - Vega 64 AIO with EK block - WC Custom loop - 1500W Silverstone PSU - yay


Posted By: lowdog
Date Posted: 08 May 2018 at 3:50pm
Just got a reply from Asrock TSD regarding my enquirery about a new bios, this was there reply;


Thank you for choosing ASRock and contacting us.

We plan to release new BIOS to update AMD AGESA 1.0.0.5 in near future.

Kindly keep following on our BIOS support page for the latest update :)
http://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/Fatal1ty%20X399%20Professional%20Gaming/index.asp#BIOS

Thank you
Sincerely,
ASRock TSD


BLAH!...now we just have to wait

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X399 Fat Pro Gaming bios 3.10 - TR4 1900X - 64GB G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ @ 3133MHz - Vega 64 AIO with EK block - WC Custom loop - 1500W Silverstone PSU - yay


Posted By: TooQik
Date Posted: 08 May 2018 at 5:21pm
Originally posted by lowdog lowdog wrote:

Dram Power Down - Disabled - made NO difference, still intermittent bluescreen/blackscreen reboot @ 3200MHz XMP.....yet 3066MHz XMP still perfectly stable.


Given that the PC seems to fail at idle, have you tried disabling the C-states to see if it has any effect?


Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 08 May 2018 at 7:46pm
lowdog

i must admit i had real issues trying to overclock my ram when ryzen came out ,but it was like a walk in the park when i used the ryzen dram calculator

that has all the added options to work in co-ordination with each other
eg proc odt settings as well as volts and basic timings

please note ITS NOT JUST FOR OVERCLOCKING but also has been very helpful to actually get ryzen based systems to use the ram correctly at xmp speed (with am4/tr4 adjusted spd timings)
it is now also tailored for tr systems

this may well have the missing ingrediants required for stability on your system

http://www.overclock.net/forum/13-amd-general/1640919-ryzen-dram-calculator-1-1-0-beta-2-overclocking-dram-am4.html#post_26417503" rel="nofollow - http://www.overclock.net/forum/13-amd-general/1640919-ryzen-dram-calculator-1-1-0-beta-2-overclocking-dram-am4.html#post_26417503



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3800X, powercolor reddevil vega64, gskill tridentz3866, taichix370, evga750watt gold


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 09 May 2018 at 2:44am
So it seems we need to wait... Like I've said -- it will come eventually. "in near future" intrigues me... As far as I know the release cycles of ASRocks BIOS/UEFI we should get one in a week or two (leaked, JZ - I am looking at you my friend! & count me in as a beta tester Wink ) and till the end of month as a stable @ASRock website... 

Crossing my fingers that this will be finally my golden update that will allow me to reach 4x16GB @3200 CL14


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TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: scythefwd
Date Posted: 09 May 2018 at 3:11am
" rel="nofollow - lowdog - how are you testing stability to get that voltage?  I run at 3.9 at 1.25v, and can benchmark at 4.1@1.35v, but never attempted to run long term at that voltage.. My system has been running for a month or so at 3.9 with a couple vm's running on it (as you can see in my sig.. I'm light on ram)

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threadripper 1950x at 3.9ghz
32gb gskill tridentz 3200 @3333
samsung 850 evo
CM 1k watt psu
Enermax tr240 cooler
s340 case


Posted By: lowdog
Date Posted: 09 May 2018 at 5:56am
" rel="nofollow -
Originally posted by scythefwd scythefwd wrote:

lowdog - how are you testing stability to get that voltage?? I run at 3.9 at 1.25v, and can benchmark at 4.1@1.35v, but never attempted to run long term at that voltage.. My system has been running for a month or so at 3.9 with a couple vm's running on it (as you can see in my sig.. I'm light on ram)



Stilts settings below.


"IMO >= 30min of Prime95 v28.10 with following settings should be set as the criteria:

Torture test > Custom > Min FFT size = 128, Max FFT size = 128, Run FFTs in-place ticked."


30 mins probably minimum I'd guess and this would be a start before other test were done.

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X399 Fat Pro Gaming bios 3.10 - TR4 1900X - 64GB G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ @ 3133MHz - Vega 64 AIO with EK block - WC Custom loop - 1500W Silverstone PSU - yay


Posted By: lowdog
Date Posted: 09 May 2018 at 9:19am
!%$&*(IO*&^^%##@$ WHERE IS BIOS ()%*%$!*(&(*^%@#@ FFS FFS

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X399 Fat Pro Gaming bios 3.10 - TR4 1900X - 64GB G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ @ 3133MHz - Vega 64 AIO with EK block - WC Custom loop - 1500W Silverstone PSU - yay


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 09 May 2018 at 3:03pm
LoL, chill mate... like I've said -- we need to wait for one or two weeks max and then it will hopefully be "THE golden BIOS" that we get.

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-=SoniC=-
TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: housingman
Date Posted: 09 May 2018 at 5:28pm
Hopefully Asrock will also deal with the annoying 6 beeps "error code" ! Angry

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X399 Taichi - 1950X
4 x 16GB G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZR @ 3066MHz
Intel Optane 900P 280GB
AX1200i PSU


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 10 May 2018 at 5:10am
Originally posted by housingman housingman wrote:

Hopefully Asrock will also deal with the annoying 6 beeps "error code" ! Angry

The 6 beeps when in XMP mode was fixed since beta 1.92, look here:
http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6050&PID=41564&title=x370-f-pro-gaming-vs-x399-fpg-worse-ram-compat#41564


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-=SoniC=-
TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: lowdog
Date Posted: 10 May 2018 at 7:03am
" rel="nofollow - @SoniC

Can you please let me know what HWiNFO64 is showing for your +12V under the ASRock X399 Professional Gaming (Nuvoton NCT6779D) tab please.


Mine is reading 12.091 idle and 11.986v load with Prime95 blend on my X399 yet on X370 it was reading 12.250V.....perhaps the TR4 system is putting a heavier load on the 12V rail?


Just wanted to check what your PSU 12V was outputting to make sure mine isn't on the way out.....though I would hope not as it's only a few years old.



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X399 Fat Pro Gaming bios 3.10 - TR4 1900X - 64GB G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ @ 3133MHz - Vega 64 AIO with EK block - WC Custom loop - 1500W Silverstone PSU - yay


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 10 May 2018 at 3:49pm
lowdog : 
in idle on +12V Rail / NCT6779D : 
current min max average
12.038  12.038  12.091  12.042

under prime/blend : 
12.091  12.038  12.091  12.045
(sometimes under load the current is going back to 12.038)

So... uhm... yeah... :) Mine is rock-stable with nearly the same output under load and idle.
P.S. I'm off till sunday, so peace guys and don't blow your X399 rigs ;-)


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TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: housingman
Date Posted: 10 May 2018 at 7:05pm
Originally posted by SoniC SoniC wrote:

Originally posted by housingman housingman wrote:

Hopefully Asrock will also deal with the annoying 6 beeps "error code" ! Angry

The 6 beeps when in XMP mode was fixed since beta 1.92, look here:
http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=6050&PID=41564&title=x370-f-pro-gaming-vs-x399-fpg-worse-ram-compat#41564

Sorry, I'm using UEFI v2.0.  It doesn't contain the 6-beep XMP boot fix. Cry


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X399 Taichi - 1950X
4 x 16GB G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZR @ 3066MHz
Intel Optane 900P 280GB
AX1200i PSU


Posted By: lowdog
Date Posted: 11 May 2018 at 2:16pm
Originally posted by datonyb datonyb wrote:

lowdog

i must admit i had real issues trying to overclock my ram when ryzen came out ,but it was like a walk in the park when i used the ryzen dram calculator

that has all the added options to work in co-ordination with each other
eg proc odt settings as well as volts and basic timings

please note ITS NOT JUST FOR OVERCLOCKING but also has been very helpful to actually get ryzen based systems to use the ram correctly at xmp speed (with am4/tr4 adjusted spd timings)
it is now also tailored for tr systems

this may well have the missing ingrediants required for stability on your system

http://www.overclock.net/forum/13-amd-general/1640919-ryzen-dram-calculator-1-1-0-beta-2-overclocking-dram-am4.html#post_26417503" rel="nofollow - http://www.overclock.net/forum/13-amd-general/1640919-ryzen-dram-calculator-1-1-0-beta-2-overclocking-dram-am4.html#post_26417503




Well trying it all both dram calculator and increasing SOC volts for 3200Mhz and system has become a little more stable but ultimately it still falls over no idea where to go from here other than hope a bios update helps.


Update: silly me I hadn't adjusted the settings RTTNOM, RTTWR and RTTPARK as prescribed by dram calculator in bios with bios 2.0...??I'm trying the new beta now and just changed these values according to dram calculator and system is showing better stability @ 3200MHz after changing them so same might apply to bios 2.00 as well

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X399 Fat Pro Gaming bios 3.10 - TR4 1900X - 64GB G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ @ 3133MHz - Vega 64 AIO with EK block - WC Custom loop - 1500W Silverstone PSU - yay


Posted By: lowdog
Date Posted: 12 May 2018 at 3:47pm
new beta bios based on Agesa 1.0.0.6 is up on ASRock site.....go get it.

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X399 Fat Pro Gaming bios 3.10 - TR4 1900X - 64GB G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ @ 3133MHz - Vega 64 AIO with EK block - WC Custom loop - 1500W Silverstone PSU - yay


Posted By: ssateneth
Date Posted: 12 May 2018 at 4:00pm
http://asrock.pc.cdn.bitgravity.com/BIOS/TR4/X399%20Taichi%28L1.91E%29ROM.zip" rel="nofollow - http://asrock.pc.cdn.bitgravity.com/BIOS/TR4/X399%20Taichi(L1.91E)ROM.zip

agesa 1.0.0.6


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MB: X399 Taichi, UEFI L3.32
VGA: EVGA 1080 Ti FTW3
PSU: Seasonic PRIME 1300 W PLATINUM
CPU: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 2950X
MEM: 4x16GB, 3600MHz G.Skill Trident Z F4-3600C17Q-64GTZKW


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 13 May 2018 at 3:49am
" rel="nofollow - So any of you guys has noticed any magical improvements? Unfortunately I was doing tests for 2-3 hours with different settings (incl. those from RyZEN RAM Calculator newest beta) and I am still sitting on 2933 :-/ I think my TR has a crappy memory controller :-(

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-=SoniC=-
TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: lowdog
Date Posted: 13 May 2018 at 5:23am
Originally posted by SoniC SoniC wrote:

So any of you guys has noticed any magical improvements? Unfortunately I was doing tests for 2-3 hours with different settings (incl. those from RyZEN RAM Calculator newest beta) and I am still sitting on 2933 :-/ I think my TR has a crappy memory controller :-(



Did you adjust RttNom, RttWr and RttRark under Dram Timing Config - Data Bus Config in bios as per dram calculator?


Got a screen grab of RTC for your ram @ 2933 to see it's values?


Here is mine for straight XMP 3200 but I tweaked the RttNom - RttWr and RttPark in bios.







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X399 Fat Pro Gaming bios 3.10 - TR4 1900X - 64GB G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ @ 3133MHz - Vega 64 AIO with EK block - WC Custom loop - 1500W Silverstone PSU - yay


Posted By: lowdog
Date Posted: 13 May 2018 at 5:26am
This bios has NO magical improvements over 2.00 bios, seems to boot a little faster but as far as new settings or XMP improvements there are NONE as far as I can determine.


ASSRock realy need to put in some work on XMP profiles and ram compatibility/stability especially with Samsung b-die modules.

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X399 Fat Pro Gaming bios 3.10 - TR4 1900X - 64GB G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ @ 3133MHz - Vega 64 AIO with EK block - WC Custom loop - 1500W Silverstone PSU - yay


Posted By: SoniC
Date Posted: 13 May 2018 at 9:04pm
Originally posted by lowdog lowdog wrote:

This bios has NO magical improvements over 2.00 bios, seems to boot a little faster but as far as new settings or XMP improvements there are NONE as far as I can determine.
ASSRock realy need to put in some work on XMP profiles and ram compatibility/stability especially with Samsung b-die modules.

I don't agree Wink

AGESA 1.0.0.6 allowed me for the first time to use the 3200 CL14 timings on my 64GB kit.


The ONLY option that lead to earlier problems was the recommendation by Ryzen DRAM Calculator 1.1.0 beta2 to set "Memory clear" to disable. This and only this has lead to boot-loops (up to "55" and bam! internal reset to 00 and then further counting on the Dr. Debug). To get out of it you need to clear cmos... which has driven me crazy to set everything up like 20-30 times in a row.

I found it out after seeing people reaching 3200 with 4x DR (mainly your post convinced me it can be done). I thought... what the hell... the colleagues are doing it... so why can't I? And I started from my stable 2933 and changed, saved & rebooted into uefi after every change. Took me long enough but finally I am here! @3200 !

So if someone has problems -- don't touch memory clear, leave it on auto.

Btw - my mem requires to have 2T CR, thus disabling Geardown and setting CR to 2T manually. 10000% stable. 
Rttpark is not disabled, it is RZQ/1




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TR x1950, ASRock X399 FPG (v. 3.33A), G.Skill 3200 CL14 64GB, Enermax LiqTech 280,
AMD Vega 64 LC, 10x HDDs (mostly Hitachi), 2x M.2 (970EVO,960Pro), Xonar DX, AX1200i PSU


Posted By: lowdog
Date Posted: 14 May 2018 at 4:57am
@ Sonic

Good one

Mine was stable @ 3200Mhz with same timings as you are showing but Geardown enabled and CR 1, seemed completely stable in windows and over 1000% HCIMemtest without errors, upon reboot sometimes it would do 3 beeps and double pump boot but stay at 3200MHz and hold settings but upon shutting down the system over night and turning power off at the wall it would 3 beep boot double pump twice the single pump boot 1 beep then boot and be reset to 2133Mhz so some issue at boot up so I'm back to 3066MHz again.

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X399 Fat Pro Gaming bios 3.10 - TR4 1900X - 64GB G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ @ 3133MHz - Vega 64 AIO with EK block - WC Custom loop - 1500W Silverstone PSU - yay


Posted By: lowdog
Date Posted: 14 May 2018 at 8:42am
This is BS! with this bios;

4 x 8GB Flare X testing - all seem stable in windows and HCI Memtest but boot up is always the problem, only 2933/3066 doesn't have boot problems.


3333MHz






3466MHz





3600MHz










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X399 Fat Pro Gaming bios 3.10 - TR4 1900X - 64GB G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ @ 3133MHz - Vega 64 AIO with EK block - WC Custom loop - 1500W Silverstone PSU - yay


Posted By: lowdog
Date Posted: 14 May 2018 at 1:46pm
Testing again with 4 x 16GB, a note!, raising procODT up to 68 from auto/stock 60 helps heaps with stability for my cpu and seems to solve the issues I was having with restarting/rebooting and cold boots.....time will tell.....more testing to come.


Edit; boot issue still exist in as much as after a reboot now sometimes the once stable settings become unstable, good one ASSRock



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X399 Fat Pro Gaming bios 3.10 - TR4 1900X - 64GB G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ @ 3133MHz - Vega 64 AIO with EK block - WC Custom loop - 1500W Silverstone PSU - yay


Posted By: ASRock_TSD
Date Posted: 15 May 2018 at 10:55am
Dear lowdog,

Greetings, this is ASRock TSD.


We provide latest BIOS L1.91E (Update ThreadRipperPI-SP3r2 1.0.0.6) on website. 
Please download the BIOS from below link,
http://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/Fatal1ty%20X399%20Professional%20Gaming/index.asp#BIOS" rel="nofollow - https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/Fatal1ty%20X399%20Professional%20Gaming/index.asp#BIOS


Thanks!

All the best,
ASRock TSD




Posted By: lowdog
Date Posted: 15 May 2018 at 11:10am
Originally posted by ASRock_TSD ASRock_TSD wrote:

Dear lowdog,

Greetings, this is ASRock TSD.


We provide latest BIOS L1.91E (Update ThreadRipperPI-SP3r2 1.0.0.6) on website.?
Please download the BIOS from below link,
http://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/Fatal1ty%20X399%20Professional%20Gaming/index.asp#BIOS" rel="nofollow - https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/Fatal1ty%20X399%20Professional%20Gaming/index.asp#BIOS


Thanks!

All the best,
ASRock TSD





Thankyou ASRock TSD.


I am already using this bios L1.91E to test TRIDENTZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ and it is better than previous bios 2.00 but still has issues with boot up/cold boot with ram XMP @ 3200MHz and needs more work.

Bios defaults ProcODT to 60 ohm which worked for 2933MHz and under with 16GB modules x 4 but for XMP to work stable and boot without resetting the ram ProcODT needed to be raised to 68ohm and RttWr needed to be enabled at 80ohm otherwise the system was totally unstable with XMP settings of 3200MHz.


Also P-States overclocking does not work and did not work in bios 2.00 either so this needs fixing as well.

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X399 Fat Pro Gaming bios 3.10 - TR4 1900X - 64GB G-SKILL TridentZ F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ @ 3133MHz - Vega 64 AIO with EK block - WC Custom loop - 1500W Silverstone PSU - yay



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