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Asrock AB350 Pro4, slow boot |
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GusGF ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 18 Jan 2021 Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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I've bought a second hand computer (see spec below). I upgraded memory to 32GB and installed a NVMe SSD and a CD player. The NVMe is plugged into the M.2 Ultra socket M2_1. The Nvidia card is plugged into the PCIe2 socket. Even before this upgrade it seemed to take longer than it should to get anything up on screen. It's a fresh validated, fully updated install of Windows 10 with hardly anything else installed and it's taking 35 secs to cold boot to a login screen which seems excessive to me. Shutdown is superfast.
From power on it takes 28 secs before anything appears on my screen and another 6 secs before the windows is up and ready to let me log in. So it looks like the computer is waiting for something to happen that never does?! What on earth is it doing? Is it trying to boot off the slave SSD first? Operating System: Windows 10 Pro 64-bit CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 (Summit Ridge 14nm Technology) RAM: 32.0GB Dual-Channel Unknown (16-17-17-35) Motherboard: ASRock AB350 Pro4 (AM4) Graphics: 2047MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB (ZOTAC International) Storage: Slave: 223GB SanDisk SDSSDA240G (SATA (SSD)) Boot: 476GB Sabrent NVMe PCIe M.2 2280 (Unknown (SSD)) Optical Drives: ASUS DRW-24D5MT Audio: NVIDIA High Definition Audio |
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GusGF ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 18 Jan 2021 Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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BTW no USB thumbdrives are plugged in. USB wise all I've got is keyboard, wireless mouse and a Wifi dongle.
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muziqaz ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Jan 2021 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 590 |
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Make sure to set your boot device priorities right. BIOS might have your DVD as primary boot device. Set it to your boot drive, and disable any others afterwards. Also, disable boot from LAN where ever that setting might be hidden these days.
Also 32Gb of unknown memory on 1000 series Ryzen is a pure lottery, and motherboard probably is failing to POST few times before continuing. Also, latest BIOSes for Summit Ridge Ryzen might improve load times, because early ones have a lot of debug code which slows down POST. There are some utilities/programs which measure boot process and report what action takes how long, that way you can see more precisely what is the problem. These programs do not report of anything before POST however |
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GusGF ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 18 Jan 2021 Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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I only had to disable other devices in the boot menu but still taking 28 secs to see a bios screen come up on my screen. And then only another 6-10 secs to get to a Windows login screen.
My BIOS is 3.2 and the upgrade path is 3.40(Bridge BIOS), then 5.40 followed by 5.80 which is as far as I can go with my current CPU. Do think it's worth upgrading? Well the delay is happening during POST, at least it's 28 secs before anything at all comes up on my screen and I see boot options. Many thanks |
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muziqaz ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Jan 2021 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 590 |
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The delay in POST means memory training failing (most likely). Is memory running at intended speeds? |
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GusGF ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 18 Jan 2021 Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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Okay have fully updated the BIOS in stages. Kind of wish I'd stayed with 3.40(Bridge BIOS) as this seems to have been quicker than 5.40 & 5.80 but apparently there is no going back. Prolly sped things up by about 10 seconds.
Weirdly though in the BIOS I'm not seeing my NVMe or SSD in Boot options!! Though these devices are being seen when I look at the storage config. And PC is booting up. This Asrock MB is nuts!! :( Is memory running at intended speeds? How do I check this? |
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muziqaz ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Jan 2021 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 590 |
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When you boot into BIOS, Main page shows up, it tells you how much memory you have which slots are populated and speed they are running at.
Did you know that there is 64MB DDR4 memory stick in the world :D :D (sorry that had nothing to do with your issues, just saw it in your motherboards manual) |
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GusGF ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 18 Jan 2021 Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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Hi Muziqaz,
Well the BIOS updates were what seemed to have sped things up for me and I'm anywere between 18-25 seconds. The variation? No idea! Though as already mentioned in hindsight I wish I'd stayed with the 3.40(Bridge BIOS) as this seemed a bit quicker. The secret to getting my NVMe M.2 to show up in boot was to disconnect everything and just boot from the M2 (had already managed initially to install W10 by only having the M2 connected). Did that a few times and then reconnected my DVD & SSD and it was fine i.e. M2 finally appeared in the 'Boot' bios page. As I haven't built a PC in over 20 years (this desktop was a second hand purchase which I dismantled and put back together, long story) this was a real learning experience. I made the mistake of buying an M2 which wasn't on ASrock's approved list though neither was the memory that had already been installed by the previous owner. When you boot into BIOS, Main page shows up, it tells you how much memory you have which slots are populated and speed they are running at. No that's not coming up. I'm sure there is a setting in the BIOS. Though I remember seeing something in the BIOS saying 2133Mhz though the memory is 3000Mhz, but I believe that's fairly common. Regarding the 64MB DDR4 memory stick, no didn't see that?! |
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muziqaz ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Jan 2021 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 590 |
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You can check memory speeds in Windows with CPU Z utility, memory Tab I believe. It tells you the speed you are running at given moment divided by 2, so if your RAM is running at 3000Mhz, CPU Z will show 1500Mhz. Do you have that memory speed set up in BIOS?
After updating BIOS, make sure network boot aka PXE boot, some motherboards enable that by default and you have issues booting fast due to PC trying to find remote client to boot from. Also make sure DVD is not your primary boot device. However I still suspect RAM might be the issue |
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GusGF ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 18 Jan 2021 Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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Yes the DRAM frequency is 1066.8MHz so this matches up with the 2122MHz I saw in the BIOS. The memory I have is rated at 3000MHz. Network Boot PXE is indeed disabled and DVD is disabled as a boot device.
When you boot into BIOS, Main page shows up, it tells you how much memory you have which slots are populated and speed they are running at. Sorry misread, yes I'm seeing that. I haven't messed around with the memory speed in BIOS as wasn't sure how to do this. I believe there is a profile that's available to load that's all I know. |
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