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    Posted: 17 Feb 2021 at 11:45am
I have a Samsung SSD, boot type MBR/Legacy (Windows 10) on an x370 Taichi.

I purchased a new NVME drive, installed it, and used software to clone (tried both Macrium Reflect and Mini Partition Tool) the SSD to the new NVME drive. Since NVME boots UEFI, both softwares allowed me to convert the drive type to GPT while cloning.

Each clone was successful, so I would then turn off the PC, disconnect the original source SSD drive, and try to boot Windows from the NVME. No matter what I do, I get a blue screen error that says "winload.exe" cannot be found.

I have tried changing a few things in BIOS, but nothing seems to help.

If CSM mode is enabled, it will show me the PCIE SSD as a boot option, but won't boot from it and will give same error. The only other option in the boot drop down is UEFI EFI shell, which of course just repeatedly cycles me into settings.

If CSM mode is disabled, it will not show any PCIE SSD from Bios, and only show UEFI EFI shell as the boot option. I can use F11 on reboot to get it to show the PCIE SSD again as a boot option, but still the same blue screen again.

Any ideas here as to what the issue is? I have run chkdsk on the source with no issues as well.

Any advice would be great. I didn't see a clear enable/disable or "switch" for Legacy/UEFI in the Taichi bios, but my understanding from reading around is that it will automatically detect the correct boot for the drive regardless of if CSM is enabled or disabled, so I'm not sure what this error keeps coming up for.

(I'm aware that a clean re-install would be ideal, I am just hesitant due to the amount of programs/plug-ins that I don't want to re-install and have read several success stories about cloning SSD to NVME, but ultimately may go that route with no solution).

Thanks!
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Also, I want to add that a few people trying to help said they thought it isn't possible to clone a MBR drive to a GPT drive, but I followed a guide on Mini Tool's site that does say you can in fact do that, and when the clone is successful it does show my source SSD as MBR and my cloned NVME as GPT... but wondering if I should try converting the source to GPT first and then cloning again to see if it changes anything.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote muziqaz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Feb 2021 at 3:40pm
I'm looking to do the same when I have time, and I came across this thread (only have a photo of the post, sorry): https://flic.kr/p/2kCukZP
Maybe you already seen it :)
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I had this issue, I know what's wrong and how to help.

So, you are on a LEGACY BIOS at the moment. So was I, my build was from 2011 and I was moving over to a new AMD build. Congrats!

UNFORUTUNATELY, LEGACY BIOS cannot boot off of NVME drives, no matter how hard you struggle, it won't see it as a valid path.

There is a way to get around this without reinstalling windows on your new NVME! Though to be honest, it's awful fresh to do a clean install :D.

You must FIRST convert your existing windows install to UEFI. In the past you couldn't do this, now windows 10 let's you do it. It's some command line stuff, but it;'s easy. I've done it, went smoothly.

https://www.maketecheasier.com/convert-legacy-bios-uefi-windows10/

ON UEFI you will notice the boot options in your BIOS look a little bit different. Instead of directly accessing the device there is something called "Windows Boot Loader (YOUR DEVICE)". This is the new way of doing things, a layer of abstraction instead of direct access to the BOOT files.

NOW that you are on a UEFI BIOS you will be able to clone to your NVME and boot off it.

You may need to run a system repair or pick a different boot device named "windows boot loader (YOUR NVME)" after the clone.

GOOD LUCK!
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ALSO:

IF you decide to go with a fresh install. YOU MUST physically detach your OLD drive before installing to the NVME. You might think this is weird, but if the windows installer sees a HDD attached to the machine you are installing on with a previous legacy BIOS it will not install the new windows as UEFI. So to get it right, IF you go fresh, have the NVME be the ONLY storage device that is powered on / connected.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote muziqaz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 2021 at 3:11pm
Legacy boot method can boot from NVMe drive, as I am doing it. Same goes for other people who are trying to convert from legacy boot to UEFI boot.
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It's more nuanced than that muziqaz, so please don't spread that.

NVMe drives come in several forms, is yours a SATA or PCIE device?

Since this is a newer thread, I assumed OP was using a PICE NVME device, which is faster, typical in 2021, and cannot boot from legacy BIOS.
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Originally posted by apocalypseCow apocalypseCow wrote:

It's more nuanced than that muziqaz, so please don't spread that.

NVMe drives come in several forms, is yours a SATA or PCIE device?

Since this is a newer thread, I assumed OP was using a PICE NVME device, which is faster, typical in 2021, and cannot boot from legacy BIOS.


OPs SSD is Samsung, which is fair to guess is 970 Pro, since those are decent price performance and very popular. That is exactly the same SSD I have, and I am currently booting from it without any issues in legacy mode ;)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RLGL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 2021 at 12:15am
Best practice is to do FRESH INSTALLS. Fewer issues are induced in the process.
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