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    Posted: 17 Feb 2017 at 10:02pm
I have recectly finished build of HPTC using H77M. All is good running Win 7 64 bit MCE.

I watch TV etc via HDMI connection to Samsung and sound is delivered through this connection.

I would like to link the PC to my old stero system via analogue output. I cannot seem to get audio to be delivered through both HDMI and analogue jack simultaneously.

I can get to a situation where Realtek Audio manger test mode play sounds on all four speakers when the test buton is clicked but when I revert to my music library the HDMI connected TV speakers disappear.  

Suggestions welcome (no I won't be getting rid of old stereo - I have 100W per channel and so can have a good party)
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I haven't played with this at all as I always use analogue outputs for my sound setups but I would guess that the Speaker output (analogue) is overriding the HDMI output. These are 2 separate outputs I am not sure you can have sound play through both without some kind of pass-through cable or software. If you look at the way Windows sound is set up you can only select one output as default and there does not appear to be an option to "clone"  one output to another. 

I won't say it can't be done as I am not sure but I do get the feeling it will require some kind of additional setup, either via cables or 3rd party software. 
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Originally posted by MikeS MikeS wrote:

I have recectly finished build of HPTC using H77M. All is good running Win 7 64 bit MCE.

I watch TV etc via HDMI connection to Samsung and sound is delivered through this connection.

I would like to link the PC to my old stero system via analogue output. I cannot seem to get audio to be delivered through both HDMI and analogue jack simultaneously.

I can get to a situation where Realtek Audio manger test mode play sounds on all four speakers when the test buton is clicked but when I revert to my music library the HDMI connected TV speakers disappear.  

Suggestions welcome (no I won't be getting rid of old stereo - I have 100W per channel and so can have a good party)
thanks

Mike 


As you may have seen, in the Windows Sound settings in Control Panel, you are allowed to select one default audio device. Which is what makes it difficult or impossible to configure multiple audio devices at the same time. Or have you configured your audio in a different way?

Not a lot of details about the hardware being used. You mentioned the HDMI output to your TV, is that on the board's IO panel? Or from a video card?

Which also brings us to the video source. Is that the Intel iGPU, or video card?

You mentioned the Realtek audio, but the Intel iGPU output has its own audio source. Not to mention potential audio signals from a video card. The question is which one are you using?

What cables do you use to connect the PC to your stereo system, and where are they connected?

Does your PC case have front panel audio connections, and is it connected to the board?

Does your stereo only have analog inputs? No digital input or decoding of a SPDIF digital signal via a TOSLINK connection?
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It's because HDMI is HDCP Compliant. ie: a compliant player will disable the analog signal when both are attached.

You can try to "skirt' this by using the TV's Audio Out RCAs or 3.5mm located at the rear of the TV to feed the stereo. I've done this myself many times at many places.



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Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

It's because HDMI is HDCP Compliant. ie: a compliant player will disable the analog signal when both are attached.

You can try to "skirt' this by using the TV's Audio Out RCAs or 3.5mm located at the rear of the TV to feed the stereo. I've done this myself many times at many places.


This is what I usually do, daisy-chain from the TV to the audio amplifier, not ideal but works in a pinch. 
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As you may have seen, in the Windows Sound settings in Control Panel, you are allowed to select one default audio device. Which is what makes it difficult or impossible to configure multiple audio devices at the same time. Or have you configured your audio in a different way?

I HAVE AT TIMES MANAGED TO DEFINE MY ARRANGEMENT AS QUADROPHONIC WHICH BRING UP  4 SPEAKERS IN THE SOUND CONFIGURATION WINDOWS. CLICKING THE TEST BUTTON GETS A TEST CHIME TO PLAY FROM EACH OF THE SPEAKERS SHOWN ONE AFTER THE OTHER. BUT WHEN I START MCE AND PLAY MUSIC I ONLY GET AUDIO FROM THE 3.5MM JACK - THE HDMI IS SILENT.  

Not a lot of details about the hardware being used. You mentioned the HDMI output to your TV, is that on the board's IO panel? Or from a video card?

ON BOARD HDMI

Which also brings us to the video source. Is that the Intel iGPU, or video card?

ON BOARD VGA

You mentioned the Realtek audio, but the Intel iGPU output has its own audio source. Not to mention potential audio signals from a video card. The question is which one are you using?

THE 3.5MM SOCKET ON THE I/O PANEL WHICH IS RECOGNISED (WHEN I PLUG IN ) BY REALTEK AUDIO MANAGER AS "SPEAKERS L R"

What cables do you use to connect the PC to your stereo system, and where are they connected?
FROM 3.5MM JACK TO LINE INPUTS ON STEREO

Does your PC case have front panel audio connections, and is it connected to the board?

YES CONNECTED BUT NOT IN USE

( I HAVE SEEN AN OPTION FOR FRONT CONNECTOR AS "ALLOW DIFFERENT AUDIO STREAMS" ??)

Does your stereo only have analog inputs? No digital input or decoding of a SPDIF digital signal via a TOSLINK connection?

ONLY ANALOG - I HAVE THOUGHT OF BUYING A SPDIF TO ANALOGUE CONVERTER AND MAY END UP DOING THIS IF I CANNOT SOLVE ISSUE ( MY PREVIOUS HPTC DID ALLOW THIS FEATURE BUT IT WAS HDMI1.2)

I HAVE SEEN MENTION ON THE ASROCK SITE OF MIXER TOOL WHICH IS ALLEGED TO ENABLE MULTIPLE STREAMS OF AUDIO BUT I DO NOT HAVE MIXER TOOL??

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Originally posted by Xaltar Xaltar wrote:

Originally posted by wardog wardog wrote:

It's because HDMI is HDCP Compliant. ie: a compliant player will disable the analog signal when both are attached.

You can try to "skirt' this by using the TV's Audio Out RCAs or 3.5mm located at the rear of the TV to feed the stereo. I've done this myself many times at many places.


This is what I usually do, daisy-chain from the TV to the audio amplifier, not ideal but works in a pinch. 


You? I find using the TVs Optical Out to be audibly bright due to processing. Not good.

Too, the TVs Digital Coax Out sounds great.
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In the standard configuration, you get one audio device output at a time, that's how Windows works.

You can get your audio to the stereo/four speaker system, right? But you then lose it to the TV via HDMI, correct?

You must have two to four cables from the IO panel to your stereo, to get four individual speakers testing as you described, correct? Or are you just using the speaker A and B connections on your amplifier?

If that is right, on the IO panel you must be using the front L and R, and rear L and R outputs, right?

Since I don't have your board, or really the same version audio software (Realtek) that you have, I cannot give you a click by click description of what to do.

I suggest connecting your speakers to the front panel audio speaker outputs, and then checking the configuration options in both the Realtek and Windows Sound setting. Hopefully you'll find the allow multiple audio streams option.

The trick likely is having a connection to the front panel audio output, which will then allow the different audio streams option to be available. The "different audio streams" part may not be what you want, if that means multiple audio signal sources, which is not what you want.

You'll need to play with configurations once the connections to the front panel are done.
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I really don't believe that the Realtek Audio Manager isn't necessarily compliant. It wouldn't need to be and then it does have a reason to do as it is, ie: Quad channel.

The proof, IMO, lies in the fact that MCE, which is a compliant player, only outputs HDMI. Not Quad as Audio Manager tests.
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https://www.google.co.uk/url?q=http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/how-to-play-audio-through-hdmi-speakers-simultaneously-in-windows-7/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjMsMC_yZ_SAhXFD8AKHWeBBJ0QFggLMAA&sig2=hRPGvNmLtnkgwAQgfQIiyQ&usg=AFQjCNHybY3CDz8AAHDRCh2eBggrXP9gqg

This gave me dual audio but slightly out of sync - has promise though
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