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Originally posted by murander murander wrote:


I've got to ask you guys if you have tried any CPU overclocking and how successful you have been as far as stability with your overclocks.?
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I have the Ryzen 1600 (non x).??I cant get 3950 or even 3900 stable even at 1.39 volts. I should rephrase...i can boot into windows with those settings and run some stability tests, but invariably one of my stability tests will eventually fail.

I got off 3 successful cinebench runs but the 4th gave an error message midway through. No problems with any AiDA64 extreme benchmarks or handbrake rendering of a 350mb video. Prime95 can go for a couple hours but eventually fails.

I'm kind of bummed because all my temperatures were fine. Under 65 celsius. I think they peaked around 62.



Great job just to get to 3.9. If you can, adjust the core offset option to 0625 or 1250. Id also try CPU load line calibration to 4, possibly 3(if not set there already) to handle voltage drop. Also, 1.4v may be necessary for your CPU - perhaps even higher.

I can get my 1800x to just over 4.1 stable but I don't want the high temps so I run at 3.95 and rarely see above 58c with a Noctua Air cooler. I'm not a 'big time' OC'-er as it is, so 3.95 is more than ok for my usage.

In the video's mentioned earlier in the thread these things are covered well. Hope they help your efforts to reach your goal, because your temps are great.
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I've got to ask you guys if you have tried any CPU overclocking and how successful you have been as far as stability with your overclocks. 
 
I have the Ryzen 1600 (non x).  I cant get 3950 or even 3900 stable even at 1.39 volts. I should rephrase...i can boot into windows with those settings and run some stability tests, but invariably one of my stability tests will eventually fail.

I got off 3 successful cinebench runs but the 4th gave an error message midway through. No problems with any AiDA64 extreme benchmarks or handbrake rendering of a 350mb video. Prime95 can go for a couple hours but eventually fails.

I'm kind of bummed because all my temperatures were fine. Under 65 celsius. I think they peaked around 62.

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Yea, think we'll just have to wait for a more mature bios for this fukker.. :P

With Load Line Calibration, Soc voltage adjustments and better ram support, this will be one hell of a budget board! :)
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Might have to copy the links and paste/go.

So here is the link to the above(mentioned by murander) long version... very informative. It is titled "MSI & AMD Dragon Squad | Robert Hallock?�s Entire Talk on Ryzen & Overclocking".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT8BQaQmL1U


Here is a link that contains the shorter version. It is titled "We Got Inside AMD?�s Texas Home - & Learned How To Overclock RAM on Ryzen - #DragonSquad".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZgpHTaQ10k


I watched them both just to see if there was any 'break thru' for my DDR4 @3200mhz that is currently running @2400mhz. It was a nice thought though, right?



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@TAMW, I don't have a good grasp of what VDDP voltage is, but the Youtube video I linked is of an AMD employee explaining many motherboard settings including VDDP voltage. I think his name is Robert Hallock.  Check it out.
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Originally posted by parsec parsec wrote:



A2 and B2 are the correct slots to use. I believe I recall another user of Ripjaws V memory in his Ryzen board also had poor results. The best description I've read about Ryzen memory compatibility is that it is a "crap shoot", meaning pure luck if it works or not. All of the existing (pre-Ryzen) DDR4 memory was designed for Intel systems, and the XMP profile data does not work with Ryzen. Memory that uses Samsung B-die memory chips has the best chance of working well with Ryzen.

How are you configuring your memory, manually? Did you increase the DRAM voltage to 1.35V?

What VCore voltage setting are you using? Auto, Offset, or Fixed? On some boards the LLC option won't appear when Auto is used.

"Uncore" is really an Intel term, do you mean the SoC voltage?

Hopefully your board will get an LLC option when the new AGESA 1.0.0.6 CPU microcode is released in May by AMD, but when that will happen, who knows?


I'll try the a2b2 slots then. I've only tried up to 1.3v DRAM, as the spd only says 1.25v, will give 1.35v a go.
And yes, I configure memory manual, tho there aren't a lot of settings, just the main timings, not even command rate.

There is only Auto and Manual vcore settings for  this board, but I guess manual is the same as fixed. I use manual of course.

Btw, what exactly is VDDP voltage? The only voltage settings in the bios are Vcore, DRAM, "1.8v", and VDDP.
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@Parsec,
 
Yes, I have been manually raising the DRAM voltage to 1.35 (I even tried 1.4 which I think is the max on this board at the moment).  I also tried to up the ohms through the ProcODT setting by increasing it to 60.  Robert Hallock from AMD gave a really nice overclocking 101 class.  Here is the youtube link (start around minute 30)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT8BQaQmL1U  He says never go over 80 for ProcODT.
 
For VCore I was using 1.37 (which comes out to like 1.3685 or something)  I change it from "Auto" to "Manual" which only opens up 2 new fields.  (1) The CPU frequency and (2) the cpu voltage to allow for adjustments.  The LLC does not appear when doing so.

Yes, I do mean SoC voltage.  Unfortunately, there is no option currently available for this board.  The only voltage options besides the CPU voltage are further down the page under the RAM options and they are (1) DRAM voltage (2) 1.8 voltage and (3) VDDP voltage.  I don't even mess with #2 and #3 when attempting to overclock the RAM.
 
 


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Originally posted by murander murander wrote:

Ok, so I've got some more information on this board.  It only currently supports 2400 MHz ram if you have dual channel ram.  Mine is dual channel.  If you have single channel....well I cannot say what your max should be because I have not researched that.  Although the instruction book seems to indicate 2667MHz if you have single channel RAM (use slots A2 and B2).
 
@TAMW - I'm pretty sure you should be using RAM slots A2 and B2.  Give that a shot and see what you can do.  By the way, even if you don't get higher RAM frequencies you should probably leave your RAM in slots A2 and B2 because you might get better results when the BIOS updates come out sometime this month (May 2017).
 
Our motherboard does not currently have an option to adjust load line calibration.  That is too bad because it is what you need to attempt to address that vdroop. 
 
I haven't found any options in the BIOS for adjusting the uncore voltage.  Does anyone see this? (I'm pretty sure it does not exist at this time and they may never give us access since this is a budget board).


If you check your board's Memory QVL List, you'll find memory models up to 3000 that are supported in dual channel mode:

http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/AB350M%20Pro4/index.asp#Memory

Memory compatibility is the biggest issue currently with Ryzen. If you check G.SKILL's list of compatible memory for the AB350M Pro4, you get this (sorry for the text link, some URLs fail in the forum editor link tool):

http://www.gskill.com/en/configurator?manu=52&chip=2999&model=2993

A2 and B2 are the correct slots to use. I believe I recall another user of Ripjaws V memory in his Ryzen board also had poor results. The best description I've read about Ryzen memory compatibility is that it is a "crap shoot", meaning pure luck if it works or not. All of the existing (pre-Ryzen) DDR4 memory was designed for Intel systems, and the XMP profile data does not work with Ryzen. Memory that uses Samsung B-die memory chips has the best chance of working well with Ryzen.

How are you configuring your memory, manually? Did you increase the DRAM voltage to 1.35V?

What VCore voltage setting are you using? Auto, Offset, or Fixed? On some boards the LLC option won't appear when Auto is used.

"Uncore" is really an Intel term, do you mean the SoC voltage?

Hopefully your board will get an LLC option when the new AGESA 1.0.0.6 CPU microcode is released in May by AMD, but when that will happen, who knows?
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I whould think we should be getting VTT/uncore, pch voltage, and load line adjustments in the future, even the sub $100 z97m Anniversity I had with a 2+1 phase vrm had those options.. But I'm sure such features on these lowend boards aren't priority one over at ASrock.

Fingers crossed.
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Ok, so I've got some more information on this board.  It only currently supports 2400 MHz ram if you have dual channel ram.  Mine is dual channel.  If you have single channel....well I cannot say what your max should be because I have not researched that.  Although the instruction book seems to indicate 2667MHz if you have single channel RAM (use slots A2 and B2).
 
@TAMW - I'm pretty sure you should be using RAM slots A2 and B2.  Give that a shot and see what you can do.  By the way, even if you don't get higher RAM frequencies you should probably leave your RAM in slots A2 and B2 because you might get better results when the BIOS updates come out sometime this month (May 2017).
 
Our motherboard does not currently have an option to adjust load line calibration.  That is too bad because it is what you need to attempt to address that vdroop. 
 
I haven't found any options in the BIOS for adjusting the uncore voltage.  Does anyone see this? (I'm pretty sure it does not exist at this time and they may never give us access since this is a budget board).
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