ASRock.com Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home > Technical Support > Intel Motherboards
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - H97M Pro4 USB amperage
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search Search  Events   Register Register  Login Login

H97M Pro4 USB amperage

 Post Reply Post Reply
Author
Message
maxik View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 17 Sep 2016
Status: Offline
Points: 5
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote maxik Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: H97M Pro4 USB amperage
    Posted: 17 Sep 2016 at 4:45am
Hello everybody

i have the motherboard from the topic, a xeon e3-1231v3, gtx 770, 2x8 gb ddr3 ram, 1 ssd, 1 2,5" hdd. as for the power supply i have a coolermaster m500.
windows 10 64bit (build 1607) is running smooth without problems.


since i can't place an ethernet cable i opted for wifi (powerline adds already 15ms) so yesterday i got a netis wf2151 with 2 nice antennas and a cradle.
first i plugged the cradle to a free usb port on the mobo, then i plugged in the adapter itself. windows installed his own drivers and i could connect to my home network.
after that problems started. the adapter keeps appearing/disappearing every 2 seconds - like someone would plug/unplug it the whole time

some tests i already did:
changing port front/back - problem persists
using another usb extension - problem persists
adapter directly into any free port - working!
using a 30cm extension - working! (unfortunately too short for a decent orientation)

last but not least i hooked it up (adapter and cradle) on a second machine with an asrock b75m-gl r2.0 in it. hoorayyy it is working, just bad that it won't on my main pc


the vendor said that the usb ports are not delivering enough power and that makes sense to me. but on the other hand, every usb standard should have his regulated amperage. like usb2 is stated with 500mA, usb3 with 900mA. Furthermore, every device can draw a bit more power for a short period of time (like the spin up of an external harddrive)


is there anything i can do (in windows or uefi) to solve that? since the whole crap is working on an older mainboard on a usb2 port it should work here too...


hope someone can help me


Back to Top
parsec View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar

Joined: 04 May 2015
Location: USA
Status: Offline
Points: 4996
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote parsec Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Sep 2016 at 12:30pm
Originally posted by maxik maxik wrote:

Hello everybody

i have the motherboard from the topic, a xeon e3-1231v3, gtx 770, 2x8 gb ddr3 ram, 1 ssd, 1 2,5" hdd. as for the power supply i have a coolermaster m500.
windows 10 64bit (build 1607) is running smooth without problems.


since i can't place an ethernet cable i opted for wifi (powerline adds already 15ms) so yesterday i got a netis wf2151 with 2 nice antennas and a cradle.
first i plugged the cradle to a free usb port on the mobo, then i plugged in the adapter itself. windows installed his own drivers and i could connect to my home network.
after that problems started. the adapter keeps appearing/disappearing every 2 seconds - like someone would plug/unplug it the whole time

some tests i already did:
changing port front/back - problem persists
using another usb extension - problem persists
adapter directly into any free port - working!
using a 30cm extension - working! (unfortunately too short for a decent orientation)

last but not least i hooked it up (adapter and cradle) on a second machine with an asrock b75m-gl r2.0 in it. hoorayyy it is working, just bad that it won't on my main pc


the vendor said that the usb ports are not delivering enough power and that makes sense to me. but on the other hand, every usb standard should have his regulated amperage. like usb2 is stated with 500mA, usb3 with 900mA. Furthermore, every device can draw a bit more power for a short period of time (like the spin up of an external harddrive)


is there anything i can do (in windows or uefi) to solve that? since the whole crap is working on an older mainboard on a usb2 port it should work here too...


hope someone can help me




I don't believe the manufacture's response about power. I'm also not sure I understand which configuration does not work on the H97M Pro4.

Are you saying the cradle, when connected as you described, has the problems?

But if you just use an extension cable into the adapter itself, that worked?

Another topic question, when it worked on the other, older PC, what version of Windows is used in that PC?

Question about both PCs, do they have the ASRock APP Charger program installed?

In the BIOS, H/W Monitoring screen, you should see the +5V power supply voltage shown. If it is below 5V, say 4.75V, then your PSU has a problem.

On the H97M Pro4 PC, go into Device Manager, and open the Properties of any/all of the USB Hubs. In the Power Management tab, are the Allow the computer to turn off this device to save power options checked? If so, uncheck them.

Next, open your Windows 10 Power Plan, and go the the Change advanced options screen. Open the USB settings, and see what the USB selective suspend setting is set to. If it is Enabled, try Disabled.

Both of these things alone may fix the issue, so both may not need to be set as I suggested. Experiment if you care to have either of these setting Enabled.

Also in the Power Plan Advanced settings, check the setting of the Wireless Adapter, Power Saving Mode, which has four settings.

You can compare what you found for all these settings on the two PCs, which may explain the different behavior.
Back to Top
Xaltar View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar

Joined: 16 May 2015
Location: Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 25633
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Xaltar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Sep 2016 at 2:17pm
I think he means when he uses a USB extension cable longer than 30cm the device becomes intermittent. From what I gather he wants to set up the Wifi and cradle further from the PC to get better coverage.

It does sound like voltage droop if this is the case. However, I would look into getting a higher quality, lower resistance USB extension cable before laying blame on the motherboard. The thing is, with USB 3.0 came new standards, I have seen before where a device works fine on older hardware but fails on newer hardware. This is due to stricter regulation as hardware matures. Sadly better isn't always.. well better.
Back to Top
maxik View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 17 Sep 2016
Status: Offline
Points: 5
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote maxik Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Sep 2016 at 3:37pm
Originally posted by parsec parsec wrote:

I don't believe the manufacture's response about power. I'm also not sure I understand which configuration does not work on the H97M Pro4.

Are you saying the cradle, when connected as you described, has the problems?

But if you just use an extension cable into the adapter itself, that worked?

Exactly. The original cradle or the USB extension from an older Netgear WG111 adapter are not working.
The adapter directly in the PC is working.
An extension of about 30cm (the one you normally get with mobile data devices - has 2 plugs that goes into the pc, normally 1 for power and the other for data) is working too

Originally posted by parsec parsec wrote:

Another topic question, when it worked on the other, older PC, what version of Windows is used in that PC?

Question about both PCs, do they have the ASRock APP Charger program installed?
Working PC - Build 1511 Windows 10 Pro
Faulty PC - Build 1607 Windows 10 Pro

Both should have the App Charger program - I'm sure for the faulty pc
[/QUOTE]

Originally posted by parsec parsec wrote:

In the BIOS, H/W Monitoring screen, you should see the +5V power supply voltage shown. If it is below 5V, say 4.75V, then your PSU has a problem.

On the H97M Pro4 PC, go into Device Manager, and open the Properties of any/all of the USB Hubs. In the Power Management tab, are the Allow the computer to turn off this device to save power options checked? If so, uncheck them.

Next, open your Windows 10 Power Plan, and go the the Change advanced options screen. Open the USB settings, and see what the USB selective suspend setting is set to. If it is Enabled, try Disabled.

Both of these things alone may fix the issue, so both may not need to be set as I suggested. Experiment if you care to have either of these setting Enabled.

Also in the Power Plan Advanced settings, check the setting of the Wireless Adapter, Power Saving Mode, which has four settings.

You can compare what you found for all these settings on the two PCs, which may explain the different behavior.

Voltage is 5,064v and even with the modifications you told me it is not working.


But just a couple of minutes ago i tested 2 more things and I got some very very interesting results:


1. Ubuntu Live system - Adapter with original cradle working

2. (And this is the funniest one) - I took the HDD from the PC where the cradle works and swapped it in the faulty one...guess what? Adapter and cradle are working again!! Confused


Conclusion - this problem is Windows related.
The only thing that i have to do now is figure out how to get a W10 iso with Build 1511. Or, last hope, switch back to Windows 7
Back to Top
parsec View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group
Avatar

Joined: 04 May 2015
Location: USA
Status: Offline
Points: 4996
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote parsec Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Sep 2016 at 9:48pm
Originally posted by maxik maxik wrote:

Originally posted by parsec parsec wrote:

I don't believe the manufacture's response about power. I'm also not sure I understand which configuration does not work on the H97M Pro4.

Are you saying the cradle, when connected as you described, has the problems?

But if you just use an extension cable into the adapter itself, that worked?

Exactly. The original cradle or the USB extension from an older Netgear WG111 adapter are not working.
The adapter directly in the PC is working.
An extension of about 30cm (the one you normally get with mobile data devices - has 2 plugs that goes into the pc, normally 1 for power and the other for data) is working too

Originally posted by parsec parsec wrote:

Another topic question, when it worked on the other, older PC, what version of Windows is used in that PC?

Question about both PCs, do they have the ASRock APP Charger program installed?
Working PC - Build 1511 Windows 10 Pro
Faulty PC - Build 1607 Windows 10 Pro

Both should have the App Charger program - I'm sure for the faulty pc


Originally posted by parsec parsec wrote:

In the BIOS, H/W Monitoring screen, you should see the +5V power supply voltage shown. If it is below 5V, say 4.75V, then your PSU has a problem.

On the H97M Pro4 PC, go into Device Manager, and open the Properties of any/all of the USB Hubs. In the Power Management tab, are the Allow the computer to turn off this device to save power options checked? If so, uncheck them.

Next, open your Windows 10 Power Plan, and go the the Change advanced options screen. Open the USB settings, and see what the USB selective suspend setting is set to. If it is Enabled, try Disabled.

Both of these things alone may fix the issue, so both may not need to be set as I suggested. Experiment if you care to have either of these setting Enabled.

Also in the Power Plan Advanced settings, check the setting of the Wireless Adapter, Power Saving Mode, which has four settings.

You can compare what you found for all these settings on the two PCs, which may explain the different behavior.

Voltage is 5,064v and even with the modifications you told me it is not working.


But just a couple of minutes ago i tested 2 more things and I got some very very interesting results:


1. Ubuntu Live system - Adapter with original cradle working

2. (And this is the funniest one) - I took the HDD from the PC where the cradle works and swapped it in the faulty one...guess what? Adapter and cradle are working again!! Confused


Conclusion - this problem is Windows related.
The only thing that i have to do now is figure out how to get a W10 iso with Build 1511. Or, last hope, switch back to Windows 7


By moving the HDD, you mean you put the Win 10 1511 version from the B75 board PC, into the H97 board PC, and then the cradle and adapter worked fine, is that right?

If so, that seems to indicate it's not the USB ports power on the H97 board that is the problem, but a difference in the Win 10 Pro builds. Which is what your conclusion is, right?

Going from that, if the driver for the netis adapter is the same in both Win 10 installations, then it seems a change in Win 10 1607 is somehow causing the problem.

What about any configuration differences in the netis adapter entry in Device Manager between the two Win 10 versions? Or is the driver different between the two Win 10 versions?

I can tell you that Windows 10 in general from its beginning, has caused problems for some networking drivers. The Intel wired networking chips have had two standard features broken in their drivers, teaming and VLANs.

Six Intel wired network driver updates later, and those features are still not working with Win 10. Intel acknowledges these features do not work with Win 10 on the newer driver download pages, or I should say warns us they don't work. One early Win 10 build version and one Intel wired network driver version still had teaming working, but that is long gone. This is true with current Intel network chips, on their latest, in production PC platforms.

You might be able to find a 1511 ISO out there, MSoft does not provide older versions AFAIK.


Edited by parsec - 17 Sep 2016 at 9:50pm
Back to Top
maxik View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 17 Sep 2016
Status: Offline
Points: 5
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote maxik Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 12:24am
Exactly like you said.
The W10 1511 HDD with the H97 board has not that problem

I didn't checked the driver version that got installed since i was happy to know that it is not a bigger issue with my PC but just software related on Windows itself

As for know i will wait and look what happens. MAybe i'll try to write about in the Windows community forum


Thank you for your inputs
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.04
Copyright ©2001-2021 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 1.230 seconds.