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jdillipl
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Posted: 26 Jan 2020 at 3:22am |
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"If the USB mouse/keyboard is supported when operating in the BIOS, then obviously the firmware of the motherboard has that capability, why cannot that capability not then also be used during any installation process ?" I am assuming you mean clean installing Windows 7 then upgrading to Windows 10. I believe you are right that the firmware can read mouse and keyboard inputs via either USB or PS/2. However, inside the Windows, drivers are needed to communicate with hardware. As Xaltar stated above, all USB communication, whether USB 2.0 or USB 3.0, goes through the USB 3.0 circuitry on the motherboard. AS Windows 7 does not natively have drivers for this circuitry, it cannot communicate with any USB peripherals. If you could get the AMD chipset drivers from here: https://www.amd.com/en/support/chipsets/amd-socket-am4/a320 and install them, then your USB keyboard and mouse would operate. As you stated you do have PS/2 keyboard and mouse, this adapter might work, but I am not sure: https://www.newegg.com/beige-startech-6-others/p/N82E16812200078 Perhaps someone here might know, or opening a ticket with Asrock support might clear this up. Sorry for being long winded. Jake |
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kcorsa
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With reference to my 3rd post above:-
If the USB mouse/keyboard is supported when operating in the BIOS, then obviously the firmware of the motherboard has that capability, why cannot that capability not then also be used during any installation process ? |
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kcorsa
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Thanks, that's also useful to know for my future installations.
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Geoffers
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Forgive me for butting in, I have just transferred Win10 to my new AMD based machine.
My old machine (Dell T5400) had an M.2 slot but it was not bootable. I cloned the boot SSD to an M.2 card first. Then mounted the M.2 card in the new machine (B450 K4 based) and it booted straight away. However Win 10 detected that it was on a totally different machine and asked me to re-register. I had originally upgraded from W7pro so I entered the W7pro license number and "Bingo", it was accepted and 8 weeks later all is fine! Hope this helps! |
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kcorsa
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Thanks.
Yes, although there are drivers available on the AsRock website for this motherboard for W7, indicating the W7 is supported by this motherboard, it appears that it isn't really intended for W7 at all. This is borne out by the keyboard and mouse issue. Your explanation that all of the USB ports are controlled by a USB 3.0 controller, whether they are USB2 or USB3, in one way does make sense of the situation, the keyboard and mouse issue, but doesn't make sense on another level as both the USB flash drive and the external DVD drive were both recognised and worked. This also begs the question, if these chipsets have ONLY USB 3.0 controllers, why not simply also ONLY provide USB3 connectors on the motherboard ? I have today installed W10 on this pc and all appears to be functioning correctly. For future installations where I may wish to install W7, I am going to try slipstreaming the Convenience Rollup and Servicibg Stacks into a SP1 W7 iso to see if that will sort the issue. |
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Xaltar
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You will have to check a guide for installing windows 7 on an unsupported system.
Since windows 7 has no native USB 3.0 support and both socket 1151 and AM4 motherboards onward only have USB 3 controllers (USB 2.0 ports on these boards run on the 3.0 controller) no USB devices will work in windows 7 without adding USB 3.0 drivers during the installation process. This is what you need a guide for. This has been an issue since windows 7 support was not implemented on these platforms. There are however a lot of how to guides out there to get it working. |
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kcorsa
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I meant to add that although the mice don't work when booted into windows, oddly enough when you enter the BIOS the mouse does work !
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kcorsa
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Hi, Thanks for replying. The SSD is not in the M.2 slot, it's a simple SATA SSD. And it's recognised in the BIOS.
Yes, I realise the support has ended but I wished to install W7 and then upgrade it to 10 with the 7 licence as I had done previously in a machine that has now failed, hence the new machine, and wanting to reuse the W7 licence. I tried with all of the available USB ports, both the USB3 and USB2 ones. The external USB DVD drive would load the installation from any of these ports but would always stop at the "A required CD / DVD drive device driver is missing". Likewise, using a USB flash drive with W7 on would do exactly the same from any USB port too, and stop at "A required CD / DVD drive device driver is missing". Another odd thing happens. After I had managed to install W7 using the old 5 1/2" DVD drive connected to a SATA cable to the M/B, there was no mouse operational ! I have tried with 5 different mice, plugging in before booting and after booting, all to no avail. Using both PS/2 mice and USB mice. Do you have any idea of what on earth is going on here ? Also only a keyboard that is PS/2 will work, USB will not ! All of this is very odd behaviour. |
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jdillipl
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Sorry, I misread what you were saying. All of the rear panel USB connectors, except for the two over the PS/2 connector, are USB3, again which Windows 7 has no in-box driver for. Did you try plugging the external USB DVD drive into either one of the USB2 rear panel connectors? Or do you have any front panel USB2 connectors connected to the on-board USB2 headers?
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Windows 7 does not have a generic driver for NVMe SSDs, as Windows 10 has. I installed Windows 10 onto a Samsung NVMe drive, similar to what you trying to do. I had to find a driver for my NVMe and put it onto another optical disc, and loaded, so Setup could finish. You will need to do the same, and I'm not sure where you can find them. Once you do, installation will be a snap. However, you do realize that support for Windows 7 has expired, right?
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