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Nimbus ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 02 Nov 2016 Status: Offline Points: 14 |
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Don't know where to post. That is a feature request.
Have found that temps may increase up to +10..+18 degrees for a very short period of time (less than 1-3 seconds) and fans increase speeds to audible level because of that. Fan hysteresis control in Fan Speed Tuning (Fantastic Tuning) will be very helpful to solve that issues. If it is possible, add that option in appropriate BIOS category, please. *Fan hysteresis, I mean, delay between temp increase vs fan speed to make fans not react to short term temperature peaks. Maybe 0 (disabled or like now) to 5 seconds with increments 0.1s or smth. That will be very helpful when overclock with disabled power saving features (constant volatge and frequency). Edited by Nimbus - 17 Nov 2016 at 6:07am |
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parsec ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 May 2015 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 4996 |
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You can post this request in this sub-forum, that's fine. I understand what you mean by hysteresis. A hysteresis is a delay of a reaction triggered by another reaction. You described it perfectly. The first reaction is the increase in CPU/core temperature, which causes another reaction, an increase in fan speed. You are requesting the ability to delay the increase in fan speed when the CPU temperature increases, to prevent "pumping" of the fan's speed, which is audible. Of course, that capability does not now exist in any ASRock fan speed control. I'm not aware if another mother board manufacture has that capability with their fan speed control. Just for my information, are you referring to all fan headers? Or any that can monitor the CPU temperature? One workaround you could try, is if you know the general range of the short term temperature increases, say 10 to 20 degrees, in the range of say 30°C to 50°C, then simply set the next increase in fan speed above 30°C to 55°C. The fans you use also are a factor in this situation. The increase in the audibility of a fan with speed is not equivalent for all fans. All fans have different starting voltages (minimum applied voltage to cause them to begin spinning), their speed vs applied voltage is not the same, and their increase in speed for a delta in applied voltage is not the same, or linear. I know changing fans costs money, and your feature would be free (but built into the price of a board), so not much help if you don't want to change fans. If I may ask you about the Z170 Pro4's fan speed control, we have seen a few post here lately that claim the two Chassis fan headers, or just the Chassis Fan2 header, don't have any fan speed control working with them at all. The fans are said to run at 100% speed all the time on both of those headers, or just on Chassis Fan2. Do you find that to be true with your board, and the fans you use? |
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Nimbus ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 02 Nov 2016 Status: Offline Points: 14 |
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Thank you, Parsec.
I use four fans. One of them is connected to CPU (Thermalright TR120) and three to Chasis One header (stock gigabyte chasis coolers, but they are still good). Both headers are fine and I can change fan curves (configured the way to react on CPU temperature changes, not MB). Checked via HWmonitor, fans change their speeds according to increase in CPU temperature. I don't use Chasis Two header for now, have tried it and found that in Fantastic Tuning BIOS category I am unable to change fan speed (looks like there is a preprogrammed curve, I see it but cannot change). Made that just for testing a month ago. Maybe it is possible to change it manually without curves (in other category), but I didn't make excessive tests. It is fine for me to use two first headers. Btw, I use 4pin CPU cooler (PWM regulation) and 3x 3pin Chasis coolers (they work with voltage regulation on one header, not PWM). I have overckocked my CPU to 4.5Ghz and 1.325V configured all curves the way to Crtitical Temp 75 degrees. The increase is smooth and till 60 degrees fans are comfortable. The idle temp of CPU package is 40-41 degrees. When I work (not gaming) it increase till 48-50 degrees. Not gradually, btw, 41 degree in one moment and then 48 in other, then 44 or smth. But several times I saw short term spikes to 60 degrees. For my settings that is like a border to increase fan speeds to the audible level (more than 1200 RPM on CPU and more than 1000 on Chasis). I will make more test, of course and try to find sweet spot (not only with speeds but with voltages too). I think that is possible to do with current settings. But hysteresis option may be helpful for me (and make my lazy life more lazier
![]() P. S. Beafore my Asrock Z170 pro4, my main board was Asrock 890FX Deluxe5. There wasn't curves and you were unable to changes fan settings precise. You were able to choose only start fan speed and critical temp. But IMHO hysteresis there was a bit more (or maybe it was louder and I didn't notice it with more fans working, there was an FX8350@4.4Ghz, pretty hot and I was not so critical to him ![]() Edited by Nimbus - 17 Nov 2016 at 4:40pm |
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parsec ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 May 2015 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 4996 |
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Thanks for the information about the fan headers, that does help me understand how your board works. It does seem that the Chassis Fan2 header is not being controlled as it should be, given the specs for the board.
Intel processors change their temperatures very quickly, both up and down, as you've seen. Maybe a little faster temperature change than AMD, which might be what you usually had with your 890FX board. I don't think you will get your fan speed hysteresis feature, sorry to say. I like the idea but it could be complicated once you design how it should work. I don't use this software, but there is a fan speed control software called SpeedFan, that allows very complex control of fans connected to a mother board. You would need to check if it even supports your board, or really the fan speed and temperature sensor chip used by your board. That chip is the NuvoTon chip, the large square chip to the left of the board's battery. You would need the model number of that chip. My ASRock Z170 board uses a NuvoTon NCT6791D chip, but I don't know which chip your board has. |
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Nimbus ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 02 Nov 2016 Status: Offline Points: 14 |
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Thank you for your answer. That is no a catastrophic problem and I hope after more precise overclock and configuration. find a sweet spot. Just a suggestion and I was ready to that, worth a try. I used SpeedFan on my previous platform, maybe try it that time too as a plan B, thank you.
P. S. Rechecked bios settings and MB itself. Looks like, I have mistaken. My MB has 3 headers with 4 pins (all of them can be configured via Fantastic Tuning just needs to change from Standard mode to Custom mode - CPU header, Chassis 1 and Chassis 2) and one 3pin header (Chasis 3). My MB have the same chip NuvoTon NCT6791D.
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AliasOfiuco ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 18 Nov 2016 Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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Hi, first of all I apologize for my english, I read that you are talking about speed of fans on your asrock motherboards and I'm about to buy an ASRock H170 Pro4S and it seems it has the same fans headers you have in yours: 3 x chassis fans (2 x 4-pin, 1 x 3-pin).
I would like to know if it's possible with fan-tastic to set a range of low temperature where the fans don't spin at all, just like another brand of motherboard can in "silent mode". Regards. |
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Nimbus ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 02 Nov 2016 Status: Offline Points: 14 |
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Hello, AliasOfiuco
I tried to do that and answer is negative. I switched my CPU PWM fan to 0% and it was spinning. But my other three fans that are not PWM regulated (they are 3 pins not 4 pin) were able to stop with low setting. They are voltage regulated (not PWM). I don't think that is not a good solution, because fan will be under power while not moving. |
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AliasOfiuco ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 18 Nov 2016 Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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Thank you Nimbus, indeed that was the answer I was looking for
![]() The way you are able to make the fans stop spinning is via fan-tastic? I mean is via a thermoregulated curve? That is important to me! Because once the temperature raise, they have to start spinning again at the right rate. Let me know please. |
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Nimbus ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 02 Nov 2016 Status: Offline Points: 14 |
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AliasOfiuco, you cannot stop PWM fan via BIOS. They will spin.
You can stop 3 pin fans - because they are regulated by voltage. Every fan has a start up voltage, if MB gives not enough voltage, the fan will not spin (like here https://youtu.be/8eHtZgdusTQ?t=38). The voltage regulation is done via thermoregulated curve. |
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AliasOfiuco ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 18 Nov 2016 Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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I just saw the video, interesting... thanks again Nimbus
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