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    Posted: 08 Jun 2017 at 3:37am
Well, I had typed up a whole paper worth of stuff here and realized it was probably pointless. So I'll try to shorten it down

I've used ASRock boards for a long time. They always seem to have something the others don't. Something just a little better thought out, or extra to make the boards nice. Even better, they were always high value boards. Recently, the best examples of this have been the E series ITX boards and the z97m OC formula.
I have owned all of these, and am currently still using the z87e (I preferred the black to the blue and wanted to downsize my machine). I 110% regret selling the z97m OC formula however, It was practically perfect IMO.
What makes those nice are the full set of features that are well thought out and get better with each new generation.
z77e ITX
-msata, HDMI, DP, Full set of audio ports.
z87e ITX
-msata, HDMI, DP, Full set of audio ports.
z97e itx
-M.2(2242.. really...), HDMI, HDMI in (This is really cool....), Full set of audio ports
See the trend there, moving up with the tech, full set of features, decent prices.
At the same time the z97m OC formula came out which had something I really wanted. An m.2 2280 mounted ABOVE the first PCIE slot. I bought that board as soon as I could and HATE myself for selling it (thinking there would be something better with z170/270)
Then the x99e itx popped up. I was Super excited for this board. I still kind of want one even if it is that gross blue and technically old. But it gave me hope for a z170/270 E board with the M.2 above the PCIE slot, 2 network adapters and a full set of audio ports.
However, z170 rolls around and the E line is gone! Man, was I disappointed. The z170m looked like something you would salvage from an old dell. Next up was the z270m, which, almost does it, almost.... Nice color scheme, no tacky X or other graphics on the board, 2 network plugs, no more stpuid little wires for the wireless card, back up to 6 chokes, and OMFG YES... A m.2 port above the PCIE slot. SO why no E series? Drop the DVI port, add more usb3, and a full set of audio jacks. Pop on a better  (yes, people use them) It seems like reasonable progress. I'd buy it in a heartbeat and I know I'd be using it in builds.

I can get into my issues with MATX boards but I'll save that for later.

Anyways,
This is the condensed version.



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I can't speak officially regarding why the E series ITX boards are no longer offered, but there are a few realities that may have contributed to their end.

Small ITX boards are difficult to design compared to larger boards. The amount of engineering work needed to get them working correctly is more than larger boards. As the complexity and number of features increases, so does the difficulty of engineering them. That adds cost, and IMO the cost of engineering them is the main reason they no longer exist.

Consumers generally expect smaller boards to be cheaper, but that is unrealistic. A high end ITX board will cost more to produce than a high end ATX board, even while having fewer parts, such a PCIe x16 slots. The Z series chipsets cost the same whether used on an ITX or EATX board. Due to that, they likely do not sell as well as other boards because of the perceived poor value. When a type of product does not sell well, it is no longer produced.

Next, every board design has compromises and imperfections in the eyes of the consumers. You listed things like the color of the board and other aspects of appearance. If it is not perfect or near perfect for you, it is rejected. If appearance alone is enough to dismiss a board from consideration, what are the chances that any design will meet all your criteria? A very small chance, which is another reason why sales of a model can be small, resulting in it being cut from future production.

But guess what, the E series looks like it will be brought back to life. Check out the new X299E-ITX/ac board, that will hopefully be available fairly soon. It is also a perfect example of the difficulties of designing an ITX board for this platform, with all the features it has. Scroll down on the page below to find it:

http://www.asrock.com/news/index.asp?id=3625
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I've taken literally all that you've said into consideration before making the post. I've watched and waited 2 generations now.
I was more than prepared to make this post when Z170 launched but Z270 was so close that I thought it was worth waiting.
The x299E ITX and some pics of the AM4 ITX boards(which don't look all that great right now either) that have popped up are what made me decide to post.

I can't agree that the z170/270 boards are too complex or expensive to make the E version. All you have to do is look at the x99E-itx to see that's nonsense. The x299 ITX (and the EPC612D4I for that matter) blow that hypotheses out of the water. So I don't really think there were design compromises. More like money grab compromises.
I'd argue the main reason they dropped the E series is to boost sales of the less than impressive Fatal1ty boards which are geared more towards gaming and less towards 'do it all'. 'Do it all' is what I want the E series for.

If you look back through the years the M has always been the scaled down version of the z series ITX board with the E being the full feature part.
Z97 is the best comparison in this case since it's the newest and they even added an HDMI in on the E board.

If I was looking at a z270m The main feature I'd say was missing would be the audio connectors and gold caps. And I see NO reason why they couldn't sacrifice the DVI port for the audio space, buff the heatsink, Ditch that dated ps/2 port, put the strengthened PCIE slot in and call it an E board. Isn't the E basically the 'extreme' series of ITX anyways. Kind of like the difference between the current z270m extreme 4 and z270m pro 4.

For the question of weather or not I'd buy a motherboard if it wasn't all that nice to look at.
I have, plenty of times LOL. Didn't you read where I said I regret selling my z97m OC formula. I fell in love with the color, it was nicer than the previous board and IMO looks better then the new yellow ones as well. By the time I finished that build, with blue ripjaws and a red GPU it looked like a clown car but I rocked it hard. Doesn't mean I'm gonna be a fan of all the new PCB graphics. For example, i like the pro4 pcb but hate the board layout, I love the extreme 4 but hate the PCB lol. I like the taichi.. but there is no matx taichi... blah blah. none of which really matters.

Now, if ASRock, or any company for that matter, spits out a nice x370 AM4 board set up like the current z270 extreme 4 (full compliment of audio connectors, lots of USB, m.2 above the pcie, and full PCIE in the 3rd position) I'll buy it on the spot no matter what it looks like.
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Originally posted by phantommaggot phantommaggot wrote:

I've taken literally all that you've said into consideration before making the post. I've watched and waited 2 generations now.
I was more than prepared to make this post when Z170 launched but Z270 was so close that I thought it was worth waiting.
The x299E ITX and some pics of the AM4 ITX boards(which don't look all that great right now either) that have popped up are what made me decide to post.

I can't agree that the z170/270 boards are too complex or expensive to make the E version. All you have to do is look at the x99E-itx to see that's nonsense. The x299 ITX (and the EPC612D4I for that matter) blow that hypotheses out of the water. So I don't really think there were design compromises. More like money grab compromises.
I'd argue the main reason they dropped the E series is to boost sales of the less than impressive Fatal1ty boards which are geared more towards gaming and less towards 'do it all'. 'Do it all' is what I want the E series for.

If you look back through the years the M has always been the scaled down version of the z series ITX board with the E being the full feature part.
Z97 is the best comparison in this case since it's the newest and they even added an HDMI in on the E board.

If I was looking at a z270m The main feature I'd say was missing would be the audio connectors and gold caps. And I see NO reason why they couldn't sacrifice the DVI port for the audio space, buff the heatsink, Ditch that dated ps/2 port, put the strengthened PCIE slot in and call it an E board. Isn't the E basically the 'extreme' series of ITX anyways. Kind of like the difference between the current z270m extreme 4 and z270m pro 4.

For the question of weather or not I'd buy a motherboard if it wasn't all that nice to look at.
I have, plenty of times LOL. Didn't you read where I said I regret selling my z97m OC formula. I fell in love with the color, it was nicer than the previous board and IMO looks better then the new yellow ones as well. By the time I finished that build, with blue ripjaws and a red GPU it looked like a clown car but I rocked it hard. Doesn't mean I'm gonna be a fan of all the new PCB graphics. For example, i like the pro4 pcb but hate the board layout, I love the extreme 4 but hate the PCB lol. I like the taichi.. but there is no matx taichi... blah blah. none of which really matters.

Now, if ASRock, or any company for that matter, spits out a nice x370 AM4 board set up like the current z270 extreme 4 (full compliment of audio connectors, lots of USB, m.2 above the pcie, and full PCIE in the 3rd position) I'll buy it on the spot no matter what it looks like.


Not to complex or expensive to make, but too expensive to sell at the price many consumers perceive the price should be, for a small board, as I said. There is a subtle difference there.

The price of the X299E-ITX/ac will be interesting to see.

You asked why no more E series boards. I gave a few possible reasons. As I said in the first sentence of my post, I don't know officially why no other new E series boards were made. I also cannot agree with much of what you wrote.

ASRock has marketed many of their boards as "all arounders". IMO, any m-ITX board is a compromise because of its size, and cannot be a do it all board. "Do it all" to me means it is the equal of a full sized board from over clocking to IO options. That's a reason I forgot about in my first post, users expect them to be the equal of a full sized board in all areas, which is not possible in that size. Except if you add daughter boards like we find on the X299E-ITX/ac.

So you tell me why there are so few E series boards? To push buyers into other models, you said. Possibly, but ASRock has always kept value as one of its core goals. Which is why I think if a design is to expensive to sell well, it won't exist.
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