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    Posted: 02 Oct 2018 at 7:48am
well, im still using Athlon! And I thought that was reasonably modern (well, at least not yet vintage!) - I started on Z80s with PAL RF modulators!

Much of my work with the GPU is BOINC and involves using it as a high power ALU/maths co-processor. Actual video use for me tops out with the occasional HD movie!

Ive just updated the GeForce 8200 driver (mostly to try and stop the BOINC client constantly telling me to use the latest GPU driver!) and thought i'd run SANDRA and check what my graphics shared memory was - 128MB!!! LOL

So ive delved into the BIOS and adjusted the GPU shared memory to its maximum permitted - a whopping 512MB! Cry



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Wowsers! I didn't even know these existed. I haven't seen on in action since the Duron/Athlon era... Clap

I wouldn't call them exactly 'consumer' products as their so-called 'GPU' serves only as a DAC, i.e. monitor driver. In my books that's hardly a 'solution' let alone GPU.

Well, each day something new I guess.
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Just checked, and my mobo does have integrated graphics separately to the CPU. Its an Asus M3N78-VM, and has an Nvidia GeForce 8200 chipset,

So clearly some mobos can be had with the GPU embedded on the board as part of the chipset, but it does seem that correctly identifying which requires some skill in decyphering the marketing hype!
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Papollonio - looking at the boards on that link, they all seem to include the CPU on board as well, so its unclear if the GPU is within the CPU or a separate chip,

This has given me another slight cause for concern now - my own machine uses the on-board video capability and has a dual core Athlon, which im about to replace with a faster quad-core Phenom. Im wondering now whether or not doing so will muck up my graphics!

Time to pull the mobo manual out I think
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Originally posted by xhue xhue wrote:

Hello again, Guys!

I'd like to clarify a few things here, in a lame attempt to be useful.

1. No consumer mobo for PC has a built-in GPU. One will either need a dGPU or a CPU w/ integrated graphics. Mobo stickers climing otherwise is just a lawsuit waiting to happen.


A search on Newegg.com gets at least 30 hits for "motherboard with GPU" and selecting "Embeded solution" to further finese the search.  Maybe they are lying to us about the GPU, but in my experience Newegg is about the least problematic of all the places I shop on line for PC parts.  I've used a Jetway board when I lived in Russia back in 2003 which had it's own GPU if memory serves, so I do think it is an option. 

I've got a few months to decide which Mobo to get for the build.  IDK Martin if you stopped me from making any errors or not.  I'm picking the CPU first, and the memory second and the MoBo will accommodate them first, expansion cards and drives second, and for sure I am sticking with Asrock because the tech people actually do PICK UP THE %^$#@ phone when you need help!! (Like people are supposed to do!)  LOL.  

The build is for my son who is 32, so I think he could care less about gaming.  It's been a learning experience so far to be sure.  Here is your link Xhue >> https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007623&IsNodeId=1&Description=motherboard%20and%20GPU%20combo&name=Embedded%20Solutions&isdeptsrh=1  

If those Mobos don't have a GPU then I get to harass Newegg with an email and complain about their search engine (again).   Let me know please, thanks in advance.  :) 
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As expected, all works fine now theres a graphics card installed.

Also found my old POST test card! Not much use though, being ISA... Tongue

The new card is on order already. 

Cheers for the help
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Hello again, Guys!

I'd like to clarify a few things here, in a lame attempt to be useful.

1. No consumer mobo for PC has a built-in GPU. One will either need a dGPU or a CPU w/ integrated graphics. Mobo stickers climing otherwise is just a lawsuit waiting to happen.

2. That 710 ASUS GPU MartinB is targeting is really poor choice IMHO. No real gaming is possible on it; no decent HW decoding support for modern 4K video standards. One can use is mainly to drive a monitor.

3. MartinB, if possible swap the Ryzen with another one with iGPU inside. Do the math and if you can finish at the same £££, do yourself (and your son) a favor and get a 2nd Gen Ryzen with iGPU. It's gonna be way more powerful than the 710. You also save from a separate nvidia drivers installation. Take care to update BIOS in advance if you choose this option!
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Originally posted by papollonio papollonio wrote:

This thread actually addresses the issue I joined the forum to find out about.   :) 

Well, if its saved you from making a poor purchase, then at least some good has come from my mistake! Smile

I suppose then the question for you is whether to go with a processor with the integrated GPU, a mobo with an on-board GPU chip, or a dedicated graphics card. I guess on-board graphics are always a poor relation, with their shared RAM etc, to the dedicated cards. All depends I suppose on your display requirements.

Well, ive scrounged up a pair of PCIe 'industrial' grade cards to test with, one a DMS-59 dual output 128MB job Ouch the other a dual DVI+HDMI 1GB. If the machine works with one of these in, then ive got my eye on a 2GB ASUS-GeForce-GT710-SL-2GD5 for a good price, but with a 14day lead time!

I just need to stay awake long enough this morning to try it! (its 06:10 here in the UK and im just finishing a night shift!)
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This thread actually addresses the issue I joined the forum to find out about.  Considering it took me only five minutes to find this, I suppose for me that is a record.  Talk about dumb luck!  I too noticed that the Mobo I was planning on buying boasts the built in graphics and just under an hour ago visiting the AMD site, found that the general specs for their CPUs are now noting whether or not the CPU requires a dedicated Graphics card.  Well, I guess this thread answered that question.  Here is a link to the AMD Ryzen page specifying which CPUs won't work without the graphics card.  https://www.amd.com/en/ryzen-5 ;   :) 
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Welcome to the club! LOL

Don't sweat about it. As I said, many people are facing the same doom these days.

Am I a fan of AMD since their K6 series, and I'm also a hobbyist flyer, so no surprise on the APU there either. Smile AMD actually coined the term 'APU' when it comes down to a CPU and a GPU on the same chip. Did you know that AMD are supplying most of the critical chips for aircrafts (civil ones at least)?

After you get your new PC up and running I suggest you look around this forum and see which BIOS version is best suited for your needs. With ASRock it's not always wise to use the latest one. For example - most stable one for my mobo is an older beta version...
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