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    Posted: 7 hours 56 minutes ago at 9:20pm
I do not think in my 59 years have I EVER been to a place where long time customers are treated like 3rd class non citizens.

I cannot even create a topic anywhere other than here concerning my gripe.

Well here it is!!!!


Up until last week I had been purchasing ASRock motherboards in my shop for my own systems and custom builds..... UNTIL LAST WEEK.

I got a system back with a degrading Intel 13th generation i5 CPU.

I got ASRock's latest BIOS code from the support site and flashed it. The flash completed 100% then restarted.... then restarted again.... then restarted AGAIN.... infinitely! Now I have a worthless Z790M PG Lightning/D4 motherboard stuck in a continuous boot loop.

I asked for help but was told the board is out of warranty!!! Are you kidding me!!!! ASRock caused this problem with a defective BIOS flash!!! I am pissed off!

No help from ASRock for a problem ASROCK caused. This seems to be a theme lately as I see ASROCK boards headlining the news causing problems.

You don't want to help me by sending me a $5 BIOS chip? Fine. I took a chance by ordering one off eBay from overseas for $15. I'll see how this turns out.

As of last week. ASROCK products will never be purchased in this shop again. We are DONE!!! Do not think this ends there. It does not. Product reviews and comments will follow based on what I have experienced dealing with ASROCK. This company cost me money. I cannot but hope to do the same for ASROCK. ?¤¬?¤¬?¤¬
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Sorry to hear about your issue MHzTweaker. Please bare in mind this is a community forum.
Not being able to create threads as newbie members is purely a spam countermeasure
so I can spend more time helping users than deleting thousands of spam posts a day.
This setup also ensures that I (the only moderator), see every post as I
have to create threads for them. I may not be able to help everyone but at least
I see the posts and make note of issues to pass on to my contacts at ASRock.

I can sympathize with your situation, I have worked in IT for longer than I would
like to admit. Unfortunately, ASRock's support staff have to follow procedure.

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I can appreciate wanting to make the most of one's time by heading off spammers. I really can. It can be difficult to make the most of resources in these times.


I am not even sure why I posted here but I feel compelled to let someone, anyone know what is happening on the front lines and hopefully give ASRock a chance to correct this error. Maybe I am just a simple customer who has purchased a mere few hundred ASRock products and I mean NOTHING in the realm of hundreds of thousands or millions of units. I do not care if it is one or one million. This is WRONG. To go from a working machine before ASRock firmware was applied to a boat anchor after just is not acceptable.

I have solder and desolder stations here. I can replace a BIOS chip. I thought I would give ASRock a chance to contribute to their mistake. I can see ASRock is only interested in legaleaze so since my board is over the one year line they legally have no interest in helping me what so ever. I honestly did not know this board only had a 1 year warranty. I would never have purchased it to begin with. 3 years is normal as far as I am concerned. One year is pitiful and should have told me how much ASRock stands behind this dumpster fire of a board. I truly have learned something.

So now I go forth in spreading warnings to anyone who will listen to run far and fast from ASRock. Your Customer Service warranty person Samantha Ramirez has made it plain I will not be helped and is ignoring my emails these last few days. samantha@asrockamerica.com

Yes I am a real person. Yes I am angry. Yes I have been in this industry for 40+ years. No worries. There are other board makers out there. I will go there from now on and continue to spread the poison ASRock gave me.

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By all means, complain here all you like. These forums serve that purpose, a place
for ASRock's users to share their experiences, good and bad, and help each other out.

The problem is, they are not actually breaking any rules or violating their warranty
obligations. I have had similar issues myself with numerous brands over the years.
At the end of the day I stick with the brands that hold up their end of the deal.
In this instance, ASRock have no obligation to help with a product that is out
of warranty. If the board was still under warranty then I am sure they would
have instructed you to begin the RMA process. It can feel personal but the policies
exist for a reason, a line must be drawn or their support staff will be swamped
with work that isn't actually their responsibility. This slows down response times
for users making valid warranty claims. It just sucks to be left out in the cold
the moment the warranty period ends.

Issues like this are why I no longer run my own IT store. I meant what I said about
relating.

Good luck with the BIOS chip replacement. It may be worth picking up a ROM
flasher. That would have saved you ordering a replacement, the clip on variety
are what I used to use, it saved having to desolder the original.

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Technically, no, ASRock hasn't broken any rules.... but.
If using the board is burning up CPUs because of overvolting and the only solution is to replace the firmware... THEN using the firmware ASROCK provided causes the motherboard to cease to work, then I disagree. I feel they ARE responsible for this. I purchased this motherboard in good faith with the understanding it would not destroy things plugged into it. Well, the firmware solution caused the motherboard to destroy itself.... so I guess it won't hurt any more CPUs now. Problem solved right?

I take precautions. The board and PS are plugged into a UPS battery. I make sure there isn't a bunch of stuff plugged into the board. This should have been straight forward. It was. The flash completed without an issue, it restarted after 100% completed flashing then ran off the rails.

I'm not the first guy this has happened to with this board. There are others.
https://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=31102&title=reboot-loop-after-bios-update

I did nothing wrong. The board is still fine. It isn't like it was physically abused, overclocked with liquid nitrogen or something. It sat in a law office it's entire short life basically serving a few files to attorneys.

I wish I knew what I could buy to flash this chip. I would buy it and put it in my tool box. I can count on one hand the number of times this has happened to me since flashable BIOS's have even been a thing. I flash Dell RAID cards (LSI) to be used as HBA adapters all the time from a PC with a Win98 DOS partition.
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IIRC the issue was on intel as it effected all brands. It is frustrating for sure.
This is in no way me speaking for ASRock, I don't represent them in any kind of
official capacity but from the what I have observed on the forums it seems that
attempting to flash the BIOS with an already degraded CPU causes the bad flash.
In my eyes that places blame on intel for not catching the issue before launch.
As I understand it intel only provided support for their CPUs and gave no incentive
to their board partners whatsover for this issue. I could be wrong but I have gotten
pretty good at reading between the PR lines. None of this helps you though so I
will leave it there.

As for the flasher, you will need to look at the BIOS ROM and determine what ROM
is used then google for a compatible flasher. AFAIK pretty much all boards/brands
use the same family of BIOS ROMs so it will be a useful tool to have handy for your
shop.
There are quite a few flashers out there now that have modular attachments to support
a broad variety of ROMs. Unfortunately I have been out of the game for a while now
so I couldn't say which one is best currently.
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You know the crazy thing is, I have already received a brand new boxed i5-13600k replacement CPU yesterday from Intel Kentucky service center. I would have thought help from ASRock would have come before I got help from Intel in making this right.
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Intel committed to replacing the damaged CPUs, they did not however provide any
kind of incentive for their board partners to do the same. Possibly because they
didn't think the boards were part of the issue. The problem seems to occur when
the bad/dying CPU is used to flash the UEFI. Bad luck really.

As for the flasher, I would look at reviews/recommendations on youtube.
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