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Topic: X470 Master SLI very long boot time
Posted By: ring-s
Subject: X470 Master SLI very long boot time
Date Posted: 06 May 2020 at 6:21pm
Very long motherboard boot. The time from pressing the button to the appearance of the post screen and a single buzzer signal is about 30s. My previous computer would load the system twice before it starts to load, you can see on the recording.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/sZzJBNpp5M1pwjZh9
After loading the system works correctly, performance is at the expected level.

Mobo: X470 Master SLI
RAM: Patriot Viper 4 Blackout DDR4 16GB 2x8GB 3200 CL16
GPU: Gigabyte 1050Ti 4GB
HDD: NVME Gigabyte GP-GSM2NE3256GNTD

Am I doing something wrong? Please help.



Replies:
Posted By: ring-s
Date Posted: 06 May 2020 at 6:22pm
Bios: 3.70


Posted By: Synapse
Date Posted: 08 May 2020 at 9:49am
A couple of thoughts:
1. Memory training - the board is trying to determine the memory timings to boot with. Try setting the 2400 or 2133 JEDEC profile and see what happens
2. SATA or NVME detection - one of my NVME drives recently died, and while it was still plugged into the board, the boot process took a while because the board was trying to detect this dead drive


Posted By: ring-s
Date Posted: 09 May 2020 at 3:33pm
So, I disconnected all drives, NVME too, boot time decreased by about 3 seconds, but it's still long. Changing the RAM timing has not improved anything. I reported it to the bottom bracket and got an answer. I compared the boot time to my previous unit.
"different hardware, different time for initialize. It is normal in this situation.

Newer generation of hardware ??especially AMD ??need more time for the AGESA code to initialize the system.

You cannot compare this 1:1 to an ?œolder??Q77 chipset."

Do boards really based on the X470 chipset, or generally the AMD platform need so much time to boot? It seems to me very stretchy. How are you with this? How much time does your bios / uefi boot before the operating system loads on AMD platforms?



Posted By: Synapse
Date Posted: 09 May 2020 at 4:13pm
X570 Taichi - about 30 sec from power on to logo, 50 to the Windows login screen. There's a "quick boot" option in BIOS, but I have it disabled, slightly longer booting does not bug me that much. You probably never saw a server board booting


Posted By: ring-s
Date Posted: 11 May 2020 at 2:40pm
Then I don't understand what's going on? Microsoft is proud that their subsequent systems are loading faster and faster, we are buying faster and faster SDDs to make the work more enjoyable, and here the engineers show us the middle finger and produce devices that with the next generation need more time to .... what for? My laptop with an Intel 7 generation processor starts in 5s, from pressing the button to the login screen. I don't know what to think about it, it's very frustrating.


Posted By: Synapse
Date Posted: 11 May 2020 at 8:41pm
That laptop time seems like a wake up from a suspend standby. You can configure this feature for a desktop too, either suspend-to-RAM (fast, but you lose the state in case of a blackout) or suspend-to-disk (slower).


Posted By: ring-s
Date Posted: 11 May 2020 at 10:28pm
It's not suspend. Ok, no 5s, but less than 10, about 8s. From switch off to logon screen. I push power button at 5s. It's not high end laptop, but have 256GB NVME SSD, same as i my X470 chipset desktop.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Vg1KvbDTbubxDL7R9


Posted By: ThreeDee
Date Posted: 11 May 2020 at 11:17pm
What CPU? Memory doesn't appear to be on the QVL, so luck of the draw there and could cause some "training" lag. Memory in A2/B2? ..does it boot any quicker with just 1 stick of memory in? You can try resetting to defaults in BIOS and see if that helps .. you can enable "Fast Boot" as well and see if that suits you better.
I had the x470 Master SLI and I don't recall having annoying slow boot times .. ran the 1700, 2700x, and 3700x on it and non QVL RAM... without Fast boot enabled.
My daughters ASRock B350 Fatal1ty ITX boots pretty quick .. had a 2200g, then my old 2700x and now a 3600x with non QVL RAM and with both 5400rpm laptop drive and now a bit quicker with the NVMe drive

My current setup boots a bit on the slow side .. side by side booting with an old Intel Dell laptop with an SSD .. the Dell boots faster until it gets to loading windows .. my Steel Legend boots slow until it's loading windows and then bam .. .ready to go.



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Posted By: ring-s
Date Posted: 12 May 2020 at 7:17pm
I haven't actually written about the processor. Here I have Ryzen 5 3600. There is no RAM compatibility list for third generation processors on this board, so I conclude that most of the memory will work properly.


Posted By: ring-s
Date Posted: 12 May 2020 at 7:22pm
What's more, I had to increase RAM voltage by 0.01v in relation to what was in the XMP profile, otherwise she did not want to work on the profile settings. Suspect some measurement error, voltage deviation.


Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 12 May 2020 at 10:47pm
Originally posted by ring-s ring-s wrote:

What's more, I had to increase RAM voltage by 0.01v in relation to what was in the XMP profile, otherwise she did not want to work on the profile settings. Suspect some measurement error, voltage deviation.


to me this is the biggest clue to the fact the board is 'struggling' to perform the ram memory training
also in your previos post you said due to no qvl for ram and that cpu you assumed that all ram was fine

this is very much incorrect
you can only assume NO RAM has been tested and verified

anyway back to your issue

as said above
i feel the system is struggling to initialise the ram hence the delay

using the ryzen dram calculator a free software download can reap large gains

i suggest trying the 'safe' settings from the program and see if that solves this issue

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Posted By: ring-s
Date Posted: 13 May 2020 at 4:14pm
As I wrote earlier, reducing timings does not bring the desired result. Asrock did not provide information about the compatibility of any memory with ZEN2 processors, based on the Matisse core. Manufacturer Patriot reports that these are memories intended just for Ryzen's 3th gen. Moreover, on the technological pages they confirm that they are memories specifically for the 3th gene Ryzen. If Asrock released a list of compatible memories, I would certainly buy something that is on this list. I certainly would not buy a memory that anyone would advise against this platform.

I try to calculate by this software as You wrote.


Posted By: ring-s
Date Posted: 14 May 2020 at 12:41am
[URL= https://drive.google.com/open?id=1XDwh_42MVFCxC-9vipmfA-gZqRZPEYuy]Thaiphoon reads[/URL]
[URL= https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xkwez07raRs1hEVC-hOE3i3cldy-06xS]Ryzen calculator[/URL]

I download XMP config from Thaiphoon export and the calculator gave me a result that completely disagrees with reality. These timings are far too low than the default timings from XMP. This setting does not work.


Posted By: ThreeDee
Date Posted: 14 May 2020 at 1:09am
DDR = Dual Data Rate
1600mhz x 2 (Dual) = 3200mhz

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Posted By: ring-s
Date Posted: 14 May 2020 at 7:09pm
Originally posted by ThreeDee ThreeDee wrote:

DDR = Dual Data Rate
1600mhz x 2 (Dual) = 3200mhz

I know it is so, why do you mention it? You see some error in my calculations. I don't know why the Thaiphoon report is set to CL 14 as my memory is factory set to CL 16 at 3200Mhz (I mean 2x1600Mhz).


Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 15 May 2020 at 9:06pm
im pretty certain
when using the dram calculator

entering the SPD data from cl16 ram

will not return cl14 timings
when you select 'SAFE' SETTING

hence why i suggested the calculator and SAFE settings

EDIT

ok after three attempts to open your link ...........

you have selected samsung 'b' die and thiaphoon shows the patriot as having b dies

im quite certain theres an error here

1) patiot are not really known for using samsung b dies
2) if they had used b dies the timings are far far more likely to be cl16/16/16/ for all the primary timings
3) b dies are end of life and have been for a while

i feel the error here is detecting incorrect ram info and thus the dram calcultor is giving out wrong info from wrong info inputted

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Posted By: ring-s
Date Posted: 15 May 2020 at 9:17pm
I think there is something wrong with the Thaiphoon report. I imported settings from Thaiphoon and it seems to me that 10ns for CL16 is an invalid value. I only did import and calculate SAFE.


Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 15 May 2020 at 9:28pm
yeah i just spent 5 mins or so googling your ram

im quite confident its not made with the samsung b dies

i found a definate screenshot of thaiphoon for the 3600 blackout

which reports
hynix c dies

i would hazard a guess your kit uses them
(there also is ANOTHER reason to the three i posted above
samsung b die ram is usually twice the price of other rams using hynix/micron chips
and from the googling of blackout ram i can see its pricing is definately the low end of each speed bracket, and thus
it would have been finacial suicide for patriot to sell ram cheaper than it costs them to make

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Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 15 May 2020 at 9:33pm
using the calculator
select 'import XMP'
MAKE SURE THE TAB FOR memory type is set to hynix c die

then calculate safe

it should be more reasonable

annoying for you i know ,as it seems this ram is PROCLAIMED to be ryzen friendly .........good old patriot .......(ive never had sticks that played nice with amd from patriot going right back to older ddr3 ram )

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Posted By: ring-s
Date Posted: 15 May 2020 at 10:03pm
[URL=https://cdn.x-kom.pl/i/img/comments/products/comment-product-large,,513028/5ded9b5d8ade5.png]Link[/URL]
I found this Taiphoon reading from another user, and as you said, this one is probably closer to the truth. Why is my Thaiphoon wrong? This is the latest version.


Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 15 May 2020 at 10:10pm
it may just be the actual chips on the ram stick are untested/unknown to thaiphoon (eg newer)

that link you showed is 4gb sticks with chips from nanya
i doubt they are the ones on your ram, im still guessing with high confidence yours may well be hynic c dies (which is used on the 3600 blackout) and ram usually comes down to just speed binning the chips and then selling them in the bracket there stable at

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Posted By: ring-s
Date Posted: 15 May 2020 at 10:51pm
[URL=https://photos.app.goo.gl/32qpLJSH3csccP7t9]Link[/URL]

This is my RAM, is definitly looks like Samsung. I'm surprised Thaiphoon read it correctly, maybe it's some weaker product batch.


Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 16 May 2020 at 12:14am
didnt get any results from google for the part number..........

as said

click read xmp in dram calc.
change the ram type to hynix c

then see what results it gives you

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Posted By: ring-s
Date Posted: 16 May 2020 at 12:43am
In lastest version of DRAM Calculator there is no read XMP, there is imoprt export file XMP form Thaiphoon


Posted By: datonyb
Date Posted: 16 May 2020 at 1:17am
arh
handy that.........

your have to have a google for earlier

1.6.2. has it

the clicky thing is labelled
R-XMP

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Posted By: Synapse
Date Posted: 16 May 2020 at 7:18am
3200 C16 from anybody but Crucial is an IC-bingo, the same SKU can have different chips from kit to kit (can be Samsung, Hynix, Nanya). This is a very common bin that many chips can do. Crucial is unique in this spot because it's Micron's consumer division, so they use Micron ICs.


Posted By: ring-s
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2020 at 5:52pm
To dispel any doubts, the problem with slow boot times is not with any of the components on my computer. During this period, as I have not written, I have tested various components, processors, memory, graphics cards and SSD drives. Nothing reduced the splash screen loading time, only after updating the bios to splash screen time it decreased to 10s. Which is not a good result anyway, because the identical set that I was putting together for a colleague on the Asrock B550M-HDV motherboard starts Windows in 10s from pressing the power button. What's wrong with this album is that there are such problems with it. There are not many tests on the Internet, there is no information about whether it applies to all copies or just mine.



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